the degree to which there are a few courageous republicans of her november 3rd in arizona, in georgia -- they're all being attacked, and getting very little support from other republicans around the country. so the problem with -- some of the republicans, i don't know how many i believe the big lie, but others are ready to sign up to. it >> robert how will -- republicans casually believe that there is some voter fraud in the country that needs to be dealt with but the don't share the view that joe biden didn't win the election. what's a way to make this a more partisan left hurt? because at the state level, and this is getting out of control. >> i think you're going to have to see this happen really at the dnc level, at the political level. i think you saw this happen earlier in the week with vice president harris. we announcing a renewed effort at a democratic national committee to take this on as an issue, to think about how to eventually register more voters, how to fight voter suppression, how to get back into the court system. i think the challenge that you heard from bill and ot

. >> recount continues in arizona, remarkable thing. pennsylvania trying to do something similar. texas legislature looking at everything that worked in last election and deciding to make it illegal. there are state leaders, civil rights leaders went to the white house to plead with the president and vice president for leadership on the federal level. appears on tuesday in philadelphia joe biden is going to say something about voting rights in america. what can he say, what can he do? >> he can do is say things. essentially all the power he has. that's exactly what those civil rights leaders said to him yesterday. wanted to hear him use his bully pulpit more than he has. tasked vice president kamala harris -- she asked to lead on voting rights, but when it comes to legislation, it's over and dead. that's what happened with not allowing debate, republican blocking debate on the for the people act, democracy reform. john lewis advancement act hasn't even really been written in the house or senate. so there's not a lot of legislative push. civil rights leaders spoke with him for hour

so, this is damaging in many ways to arizona. and it is unfortunate that the folks running the show continue to try to drag it out for their political goals. >> well would you advise the house oversight committee in washington in their investigation of this, what you call me fraudit? what should they be looking for and asking about? >> i think all the things that they highlighted in their letter it all of the right points. and the points that we have been making for months about all the problems associated with this exercise. i welcome their voices and their intervention into this fight. quite frankly, our offices here concerns from voters every single day over this exercise. and they are tired of these partisan games. that is why i am running for governor to get to work on real issues and problems that we have here in arizona. not rehashing the 2020 election. and folks can join me in that katie hobbs.org. >> let me ask you about that. your secretary of state, now. you are directly involved in elections election security. wouldn'

the arizona republic reports hickman's phone rang about 8:30 p.m. on new year's eve while he was on a date with his wife and friends in north central phoenix. he didn't recognize the number carrying washington d.c.'s area code and let it go to voice mail. hickman quickly listened to the message. the white house switchboard wanted him to call back so he could talk to the president he called in an interview with the arizona republic. hickman did not return the call and later deleted the voice mail. trump encouraged him to find enough votes to reverse trump's narrow loss there. hickman recalled listening to the leaked audio of that hour-long phone call after "the washington post" and other media outlets published the recording. i was horrified, hickman said. that same night at 9:22 p.m. approaching midnight in washington, his phone buzzed again. it was the same area code. he let it go to voice mail again. here is that voicemail from the white house operator on january 3rd. >> hello, sir, this is the white house operator. i was calling to let you know t

just last week, it was a legal challenge to arizona voting restrictions. the supreme court seemed to credit the idea that there was a true threat of voter fraud that needed to be addressed by the states and that could take steps through more restrictive laws to address claims of voter fraud. even at the highest echelons of the courts, we are seeing this big lie is in fact becoming embedded as a big fact. that's fueling more and more legislation, and more restrictive legislation that will make it harder for voters to go to the polls and vote. >> jonathan, let's talk about border rights and the civil rights group that met with the president today and the vice president. they're making it clear, you heard reverend al say they are starting a movement from the ground up to stop the erosion of voting rights. p to stop the erosio of voting rights what impact does not have? the fact a civil rights leaders, most of whom are allied with the white house in the first place, what difference does it make that they went there and sat with the president and the vice presi

a similar criminal investigation might be underway tonight in arizona. if only lifelong republican had decided to answer his phone. the arizona republican reports then president donald trump try to speak directly with the chair of the maricopa county board of supervisors in the weeks after the november 2020 election as his allies sought to change the election results in a state he narrowly lost to democrat joe biden. donald trump called lifelong republican clinic man twice, they're a white house operator. it's reported his phone rang 8:30 pm on new year's eve, while he was on a date with his wife and friends in north central phoenix. he didn't recognize the number of carrying washington d.c.'s area code and let me go to voice mail. hickman quickly listen to the message. white house switchboard wanted him to call back so he could talk to the president, he recalled in an interview with the arizona republic. hickman did not return the call and later deleted that voice mail, he said. three days later, news broke of trump's january 2nd phone call with georgia

that's apparently unique to arizona. and so they're asking now the people running it are saying, oh, we don't have enough time to finish, we need more time, and we need more information. they were handed all of the ballots. what more information could they possibly want? >> well, i think they're trying to make it look like maricopa county has not been cooperative with them, which is absolutely not the case. they're trying to make it look like there are potentially incomplete results because of this. but the bottom line is they're just continuing to try to drag this out so that they can continue to sow doubts all the way into the 2022 and 2024 elections. >> arizona secretary of state katie hobbs, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >>> we're joined now by colorado's secretary of state, jena griswold, the chair of the democratic association of secretaries of state. secretary griswold, this case in your state in colorado, federal judges handling saying not one iota of evidence of any kind of election f

that's doug ducey, republican governor of arizona. is his concern warranted, and are you concerned about some confusion? people thought their children were going to go to school without masks, people have been indoors without masks on. >> i think the governor's interpretation is completely misguided and off base. there's no one rule that says there's one strategy to deal with this. and especially since we have this incredible surge due to the delta variant, the delta mutation, all bets are off, and people have to understand that we have to pull out all the armaments in our shiver -- shiver? in our back back to make sure we have done everything possible. the vaccination agenda is extremely critical. that must happen. one of the reasons we're getting surges is there are so many pockets in the united states that people are so undervaccinated that they were susceptible to getting sick with the delta variant. that is "a." and "b" is that, yes, we do have to wear masks indoors, even those people who have been vaccinated when the original ru

that's done doocy, republican governor of arizona. is this concern warranted, and are you concerned about some confusion people thought their kids will go back to school, and not mask? people who have been vaccinated who have been going indoors without their masks on? >> yeah, chris, the governments interpretation i think is completely misguided enough base. there is no rule that says it is only one strategy to deal with a pandemic like this, and especially since we had this incredible surge due to the delta variant, the delta mutation. all bets are off. people have to understand that we have to plant all the ornaments in our shiver -- shiver -- in our backpack to make sure we have done everything possible. the vaccination agenda is critical, that must happen. one of the reason we get these surges is there are so many pockets in the united states where people are so under vaccinated, that they are susceptible to getting sick with the delta variant. that is one, and to, we have to wear masks indoors, even those people have been vaccina

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this decision upholding voting restrictions in arizona. came down along party lines and i know it's considered gross and undignified to use the term party lines when we talk about the supreme court. and everybody knows the score on the court. here is kagan from her dissent. what is tragic here is the court has rewritten in order to weak an statute that stands as a monument to america's greatness. what, neil, did they do to the voting rights act? we look at the supreme court as the ultimate remedy to issue where rights are concerned. >> may profoundly under mined the voting rights act. it was around from 1965, before i was born. one was section five, and said if you're a state that discriminates, and you are trying to change your voting rules, you have to get it cleared by a court in washington, d.c., or the justice department. the court upheld that section of the voting rights action only a few years later to reverse course and strike it down. that was the first big strike on the voting act. today unfortunately is the second. they reached

audits, recounts that were conducted in arizona, wisconsin, georgia it was recounted three times. it is clear, for those who challenge the results and questioned the integrity of the election, no other election has ever been held under such scrutiny, such high standards. the big lie is just that, a big lie. [applause] >> >> the president repeatedly focus on what he called elections subversion. the most dangerous threat to the integrity of our elections in our history. >> it's not about who gets to vote, or making it easier for voters to vote. it's about who gets to count the vote. who gets to count whether or not your vote counted at all. it is about moving from independent election administrators, who work for the people, to polarize state legislatures and partisan actors who work for political parties. to me, this is simple. this is election subversion. it is the most dangerous threat to voting in the integrity of free and fair elections in our history. >> leading off our discussion tonight are texas state legislature alex dominguez and julie johnson, both attended the meeting w

[applause] >> arizona state representative kyrsten sinema gets tonight's last word. perhaps senator kyrsten sinema might listen to her. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. >> and good evening once again. they 162 of the biden administration and indeed nbc news reporting tonight the manhattan da's office and the new york attorney generals office together have obtained indictments against the trump organization and its longtime cfo, allen weisselberg. as expected, the charges said to be tax related and are expected to be unsealed in court tomorrow in manhattan. washington post was first to report the news tonight, the paper adds this. weisselberg is expected to surrender thursday morning at the office of manhattan da cyrus vance. he's expected to be arraigned later today in front of a state court judge. the trump organization will also be arraigned, represented in court by one of its attorneys. weisselberg has reportedly been under pressure to cooperate with prosecutors and flip on one donald trump. the investigations of course continue. -- also today,

no one's been convicted no, votes in arizona were counted twice. but republicans in the state are still after three months carrying out a fake fraudit in maricopa county. it has not ended. they don't know better. you can knock down their election conspiracies over and over and over again, even in a court of law, as has been done, and they'll still tell you that there is fraud. it is embarrassing. it is shameful. republicans used to be afraid of shame but do the entire gop stays quiet part out loud, shame be damned. it's why similar idiotic fake audits are being attempted in other states like pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin. they want to subvert the will of the people to stay in power. i'd like to wait for republicans to wake up and do the right thing, but that isn't going to happen. they don't know better, mr. president. what they do know is that their efforts to keep voting safe are working. they're not keeping voting safe, they're just working to keep people away from ballots. more people in more states are going to find it harder to vote b

no one has been convicted, no votes in arizona were vote counted twice. but republicans in the state, still after these months, are carrying on this fraud in maricopa county. they don't know better. you can knock down their election conspiracies over again even in the court of law and it will still tell you that there is fraud. it is embarrassing, it is shameful. republicans used to be afraid of shame, but now the entire gop says the quiet part out loud, shame be damned. it's why similar idiotic -- and wisconsin. they want to subvert the will of the people to stay in power. i'd like to wait for republicans to wake up and do the right, thing but that is not going to happen, they don't know better, mister president. but they do know is that their efforts to keep voting safe are working. not keeping voting safe, they're just working to keep people away from ballots. more people in more states are gonna find it harder to vote the next time they go to the polls because of voter security efforts by the gop. and those people are, by and, large people of color, s

you are the soldiers who are fighting for everybody, not just for texas but for arizona, your fighting for all of the states where they are passing these laws to suppress the vote. you are standing up for the ideals and the dreams of what america is and what america should be. >> joining us now is dolores huerta civil rights activists and labor reader, she is the cofounder of the united farmers of america. they did that in 1962, but dolores, i'm not meaning to say anything about your age on tv, it's impolite, my mother would be very crossed. you started the agricultural workers association in 1960. you have been working on this stuff since 1955. this fight, you know, when you tell these people that this is more serious than it was in the sixties, you are there at the front lines of civil rights fights in the 19 fifties, in the 19 sixties, 19 seventies, 19 eighties, 19 nineties. it hasn't stopped for. you >> know it hasn't, and way back in the fifties, actually, in california we passed the laws that people could vote in the spanish line language, and that anybody who was a citizen could

so the naacp in arizona want to see more action. though they say the speech was powerful and was important, it was needed. >> sam stein, what's yamiche just describe sounds less than a fair fight. one team is way out ahead, the other seemingly perpetually playing catch-up. and the real world what is the chance of some sort of carved out of the filibuster rules for voting rights legislation? >> well, it's not great. the same calculus that befuddled the white house on filibuster reform in general exists there which is not only biden opposing it but there aren't 50 senate democrats who supported either. now i will say there's a bit of momentum coming behind this specific i the on voting rights laws are election laws. we sought james clyburn, a house democrat very important endorsement of joe biden and the campaign tell our own colleague lauren lopez calling on biden to essentially endorse this. clyburn has -- but that being said, you've got to convince skeptical house democrats in the senate to embrace and indoors if you want to get to

or the latinx vote is growing in a state like arizona. and so, all of this stuff is coinciding with the democratic shifts. demographics aren't destiny in terms of democrats winning elections. because they attract those voters if those voters do not have access to the ballot box those voters gave the democrats the majority in the senate and it would be a shame for those democrats are protect those ballots for the same committees. >> none of the voting rights bill that have been considered by the congress include any provisions about how the votes are counted, which is one of the new threats to voting rights and the new georgia law has, the texas law had it there and then they took it out. but there is this whole republican attempt to change what happens after votes are cast did. this is part of the new negotiation that the democrats are working on now. let's listen to what senator manchin said about that. let's listen to wh at senator manchin said about>> i've told e bottom line is that we should basically dedicate ourselves to a voting pi

if republicans had had that kind of power, political power in georgia, in other places, you know, arizona -- name your state, pennsylvania, these key battleground states, donald trump could have been successful in stealing this election. and a lot of these laws, most of them have provisions that would make that kind of change. and i think it's under the category now, lawrence, of they call it election subversion. that's what the new category of negotiation is all about, and i think it's ball game. i think republicans understand that if they control the counting rooms and the counting process, that is the way in which they can systematically undermine democracy in the most profound way. we saw it on display, the threat of it in 2020. i think if any bill that democrats take up in the senate or in the house or in congress over these coming months, if it doesn't address that issue, it misses the point. >> the for the people act was written last year. it was written before the election, long before we saw these new republican legislative proposals. and, zerlina, we see a report in the "atlanta

reported on this show, the supreme court has upheld some of the laws already, especially the ones in arizona. so these organizations want to see more action, though they say the speech was powerful and important and was needed. >> sam stein, what she just described sounds like something less than a fair fight. one team is way out ahead, the other seemingly playing catch up, in the real world, what's the real chance of some sort of carve out of the filibuster rules for voting rights legislation? >> well, it's, it's not great. the same calculus that has befuddled the white houses and democrats on filibuster rules exists there. not only does biden oppose it, there's not 50 senate democrats who support it either. there's a bit of momentum coming behind this specific idea of a carve out for voting rights laws or election laws. we saw james clyburn a prominent house democrat, in leadership, obviously, a very important endorser of joe biden in the campaign tell our colleague, calling on biden to endorse the path forward. i would not dismiss the influence that clyburn has on the process. that he bei

. >> arizona state representative sinema gets tonight's last word. maybe senator sinema might listen to her. >>> the 11th hour with brian williams starts right now. >> and good evening once again. day 162 of the biden administration. and nbc news reporting tonight the manhattan d.a.'s office and the new york attorney general's office together have obtained indictments against the trump organization and its long-time cfo allen weisselberg. as expected, the charges are expected to be tax-related and expected to be unsealed in court tomorrow in man hat opinion "the washington post" was the first to report the news tonight. the paper adds this -- weisselberg is expected the surrender thursday morning at the office of manhattan d.a. cyrus vance. he is expected to be arraigned later in the day in front of a state court judge. the trump organization will be arraigned represented by one of its attorneys. weisselberg has been under pressure to cooperate with prosecutors and flip on one donald trump. the investigations continue. trump was occupied with his tri

the false hoods that he won arizona, the falsehoods that there was fraud in fulton county, georgia. in trump's mind it is so real. and he would tell it to us with real animated cadence. he thought people would finally figure it out. he kept saying, i'm trying to get the word out here about the fraud that simply doesn't exist. what you had at mar-a-lago, when we were there at the end of march, is a king of republican politics sort of in his briggadoon that doesn't stack up to the facts. and by the way, he's also filled with grievance. he brought up people like bill barr, mitch mcconnell, paul ryan, he even instroked late senator john mccain. all people that he made fun of, he blamed them for things that had gone wrong and he also blamed mike pence. his loyal vice president for not doing what trump considered to be the courageous thing on january 6th by trying to overturn the results. the former president still bitter about that. >> carol, back to the subject of the military, and donald trump, and had this been a full on third world style coup, it is plausible that he would have wante

but in texas, like in arizona, like in michigan, like in pennsylvania, like in georgia, bad things didn't happen, more people just voted. >> well, can we be really here? the real predicate about this is to stop people who quite frankly look like me from exercising their political power. and the truth of the matter is you're gonna hear more calls about a stolen election as a country over the next decade and a half who's closer to majority minority. because those playing the zero-sum racial game and those playing the tribalism game think that every political stride that people who look like me make in this country is them losing out. so until we have that real conversation about how we're all one america, you don't lose if in fact a black man is elected president. your tribe isn't losing. we're gonna have real problems. i only see this accelerating as we come closer to that moment in this country where we begin to go towards a majority, minority country and politically those trying to stop minorities and progressives from exercising their political power. >> i hope you're wrong, cornell. th

the soldiers were fighting for everybody, not just for texas, but fighting for arizona, fighting for all of those states where they are passing these laws to suppress the vote. standing up to the ideals and dreams of what america is and what america should be. >> joining us now dolores huerta civil rights activist and labor leader and co-founder with cesar chavez in 1962, dolores, not meaning to say anything about your age on tv, it's impolite, you started the agriculture a association since 1960 and been working on this since 1955 you were there at the frontlines of the civil rights fights in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 90s. it's never stopped for you. >> no, it hasn't. way back in the 50s actually in california we passed a law that people could vote in a spanish language and not only that got rid of the deputy registrars so anyone who is a citizen can register another person to vote. in california we have some of the most liberal voting rights, people can vote online, and they can register with their cellphones or computers. when you go to the dmv to get your driver's license you're auto

the falsehoods that he won arizona. the falsehoods that there was fraud in fulton county georgia but in trump's mind it was so real and he would tell it to us with a sort of animated cadence. he thought people were gonna finally figure out, he said i'm trying to get the word out here about the election fraud that simply doesn't exist. so what you have at mar-a-lago or what you have on the day that we were there at the end of march is the king of republican politics sort of in his break of doom with an imagined reality all around him that just doesn't stack up to the facts or anything else. and by the way, he's also field with grievance. he brought up again and again people like bill barr and mitch mcconnell and paul ryan, the former speaker of the house, he even invoked the late senator john mccain. oh people he made fun of and said we're unintelligent. >> he blamed them for things that had gone wrong and he also blames mike pence, his loyal vice president for not doing what trump considered to be the courageous thing o

con disappears co that siemian siemian i will write a written statement to a arizona newspaper, senator referring to the other track of infrastructure legislation the democrats-only bill that will go through reconciliation. she said about that, i do not support a bill that costs $3.5 billion. $3.5 billion. support a bill that costs $3.5 trillion. that's odd because all democrats had a celebration with president biden when that $3.5 billion deal was agreed to by the senate budget committee members what's your reaction to what certainty cinema had to say. >> we find the senator to be thoughtful and very deliberate about what she's doing. also this is the legislative process, the sausage-making process, so a lot of times people will make their positions known but that's why it is called legislating. i think what president biden is doing is showing the real art of making the deal. and so, yes, we read the statement. we take the certainty at her word but this is her word but this is we take the senator at her word but it is a long process and this indicates where she is at this moment. every

states are gaining momentum following the recent supreme court ruling that upheld new election laws in arizona and the success of senate republicans in blocking federal voting rights legislation. now leaders of national civil rights groups are stepping up pressure on the white house. late today, they met president biden and vice president harris in a private session to lay ou

to the ballot are now gaining momentum, following the recent ruling that upheld new election laws in arizona, and the success of senate republicans in blocking federal voting rights legislation, now leaders of civil rights groups or stepping up pressure on the white house. late today they met president biden and harris in a private session, the layout of what they plan to do to safeguard the right to vote. >> democracy is under vigorous, vicious and sinister attack. beginning with the events of january 6th at the capitol, and cascading like a tsunami through state legislatures across the country. >> we are going to build a movement across this country to resist that. what is clearly a move to try

. >> nbc news is reporting that your delegation considered going to west virginia and to arizona because senator joe manchin and senator kyrsten sinema opposed abolishing the filibuster. but your group of fear in that states with republican governors would help return you to texas. do you feel that you will still make attempts in washington to contact senator manchin and senator sinema? >> there was a delegation of house members who came to washington a few weeks ago after the first time we broke quorum to meet with senator manchin. i myself went to west virginia. about two weeks ago, to participate in the voting rights rally, where the freedom ride landing in west virginia and heard from these constituents that they had hope and they were working with their senate and encouraging them to do his part so that west virginia could be as human passing voting rights legislation. of course i'm talking about the for the people act. the john lewis voting rights. as you know, in 1965 there was a texas president, lyndon johnson and he was a champion and ultimately succeeded and having i passed. an

. >> nbc news is reporting that your delegation considered going to west virginia and to arizona because senator joe manchin and senator kyrsten sinema have opposed abolishing the filibuster to pass the for the people act. but that, your group feared that those states' republican governors would help return you to texas. do you feel that you will, still, make attempts in washington to contact senator manchin and senator sinema? >> there was a delegation of house members who came to washington a few weeks ago, after the first time we broke quorum, to meet with senator manchin. i, myself, went to west virginia, about two weeks ago, to participate in a voting rights rally. where the freedom ride -- the new freedom ride landed in west virginia and heard from his constituents. they had hope and they were working with their senator. and urging him to do his part so that west virginia could -- in passing federal voting rights legislation. of course, i'm talking about the for the people act and the john lewis voting rights act. you know, in 1965, there was a central texas president, lyndon johns