the degree to which there are a few courageous republicans of her november 3rd in arizona, in georgia -- they're all being attacked, and getting very little support from other republicans around the country. so the problem with -- some of the republicans, i don't know how many i believe the big lie, but others are ready to sign up to. it >> robert how will -- republicans casually believe that there is some voter fraud in the country that needs to be dealt with but the don't share the view that joe biden didn't win the election. what's a way to make this a more partisan left hurt? because at the state level, and this is getting out of control. >> i think you're going to have to see this happen really at the dnc level, at the political level. i think you saw this happen earlier in the week with vice president harris. we announcing a renewed effort at a democratic national committee to take this on as an issue, to think about how to eventually register more voters, how to fight voter suppression, how to get back into the court system. i think the challenge that you heard from bill and ot

. >> recount continues in arizona, remarkable thing. pennsylvania trying to do something similar. texas legislature looking at everything that worked in last election and deciding to make it illegal. there are state leaders, civil rights leaders went to the white house to plead with the president and vice president for leadership on the federal level. appears on tuesday in philadelphia joe biden is going to say something about voting rights in america. what can he say, what can he do? >> he can do is say things. essentially all the power he has. that's exactly what those civil rights leaders said to him yesterday. wanted to hear him use his bully pulpit more than he has. tasked vice president kamala harris -- she asked to lead on voting rights, but when it comes to legislation, it's over and dead. that's what happened with not allowing debate, republican blocking debate on the for the people act, democracy reform. john lewis advancement act hasn't even really been written in the house or senate. so there's not a lot of legislative push. civil rights leaders spoke with him for hour

just last week, it was a legal challenge to arizona voting restrictions. the supreme court seemed to credit the idea that there was a true threat of voter fraud that needed to be addressed by the states and that could take steps through more restrictive laws to address claims of voter fraud. even at the highest echelons of the courts, we are seeing this big lie is in fact becoming embedded as a big fact. that's fueling more and more legislation, and more restrictive legislation that will make it harder for voters to go to the polls and vote. >> jonathan, let's talk about border rights and the civil rights group that met with the president today and the vice president. they're making it clear, you heard reverend al say they are starting a movement from the ground up to stop the erosion of voting rights. p to stop the erosio of voting rights what impact does not have? the fact a civil rights leaders, most of whom are allied with the white house in the first place, what difference does it make that they went there and sat with the president and the vice presi

that's doug ducey, republican governor of arizona. is his concern warranted, and are you concerned about some confusion? people thought their children were going to go to school without masks, people have been indoors without masks on. >> i think the governor's interpretation is completely misguided and off base. there's no one rule that says there's one strategy to deal with this. and especially since we have this incredible surge due to the delta variant, the delta mutation, all bets are off, and people have to understand that we have to pull out all the armaments in our shiver -- shiver? in our back back to make sure we have done everything possible. the vaccination agenda is extremely critical. that must happen. one of the reasons we're getting surges is there are so many pockets in the united states that people are so undervaccinated that they were susceptible to getting sick with the delta variant. that is "a." and "b" is that, yes, we do have to wear masks indoors, even those people who have been vaccinated when the original ru

that's done doocy, republican governor of arizona. is this concern warranted, and are you concerned about some confusion people thought their kids will go back to school, and not mask? people who have been vaccinated who have been going indoors without their masks on? >> yeah, chris, the governments interpretation i think is completely misguided enough base. there is no rule that says it is only one strategy to deal with a pandemic like this, and especially since we had this incredible surge due to the delta variant, the delta mutation. all bets are off. people have to understand that we have to plant all the ornaments in our shiver -- shiver -- in our backpack to make sure we have done everything possible. the vaccination agenda is critical, that must happen. one of the reason we get these surges is there are so many pockets in the united states where people are so under vaccinated, that they are susceptible to getting sick with the delta variant. that is one, and to, we have to wear masks indoors, even those people have been vaccina

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this decision upholding voting restrictions in arizona. came down along party lines and i know it's considered gross and undignified to use the term party lines when we talk about the supreme court. and everybody knows the score on the court. here is kagan from her dissent. what is tragic here is the court has rewritten in order to weak an statute that stands as a monument to america's greatness. what, neil, did they do to the voting rights act? we look at the supreme court as the ultimate remedy to issue where rights are concerned. >> may profoundly under mined the voting rights act. it was around from 1965, before i was born. one was section five, and said if you're a state that discriminates, and you are trying to change your voting rules, you have to get it cleared by a court in washington, d.c., or the justice department. the court upheld that section of the voting rights action only a few years later to reverse course and strike it down. that was the first big strike on the voting act. today unfortunately is the second. they reached

so the naacp in arizona want to see more action. though they say the speech was powerful and was important, it was needed. >> sam stein, what's yamiche just describe sounds less than a fair fight. one team is way out ahead, the other seemingly perpetually playing catch-up. and the real world what is the chance of some sort of carved out of the filibuster rules for voting rights legislation? >> well, it's not great. the same calculus that befuddled the white house on filibuster reform in general exists there which is not only biden opposing it but there aren't 50 senate democrats who supported either. now i will say there's a bit of momentum coming behind this specific i the on voting rights laws are election laws. we sought james clyburn, a house democrat very important endorsement of joe biden and the campaign tell our own colleague lauren lopez calling on biden to essentially endorse this. clyburn has -- but that being said, you've got to convince skeptical house democrats in the senate to embrace and indoors if you want to get to

the false hoods that he won arizona, the falsehoods that there was fraud in fulton county, georgia. in trump's mind it is so real. and he would tell it to us with real animated cadence. he thought people would finally figure it out. he kept saying, i'm trying to get the word out here about the fraud that simply doesn't exist. what you had at mar-a-lago, when we were there at the end of march, is a king of republican politics sort of in his briggadoon that doesn't stack up to the facts. and by the way, he's also filled with grievance. he brought up people like bill barr, mitch mcconnell, paul ryan, he even instroked late senator john mccain. all people that he made fun of, he blamed them for things that had gone wrong and he also blamed mike pence. his loyal vice president for not doing what trump considered to be the courageous thing on january 6th by trying to overturn the results. the former president still bitter about that. >> carol, back to the subject of the military, and donald trump, and had this been a full on third world style coup, it is plausible that he would have wante

. >> arizona state representative sinema gets tonight's last word. maybe senator sinema might listen to her. >>> the 11th hour with brian williams starts right now. >> and good evening once again. day 162 of the biden administration. and nbc news reporting tonight the manhattan d.a.'s office and the new york attorney general's office together have obtained indictments against the trump organization and its long-time cfo allen weisselberg. as expected, the charges are expected to be tax-related and expected to be unsealed in court tomorrow in man hat opinion "the washington post" was the first to report the news tonight. the paper adds this -- weisselberg is expected the surrender thursday morning at the office of manhattan d.a. cyrus vance. he is expected to be arraigned later in the day in front of a state court judge. the trump organization will be arraigned represented by one of its attorneys. weisselberg has been under pressure to cooperate with prosecutors and flip on one donald trump. the investigations continue. trump was occupied with his tri

reported on this show, the supreme court has upheld some of the laws already, especially the ones in arizona. so these organizations want to see more action, though they say the speech was powerful and important and was needed. >> sam stein, what she just described sounds like something less than a fair fight. one team is way out ahead, the other seemingly playing catch up, in the real world, what's the real chance of some sort of carve out of the filibuster rules for voting rights legislation? >> well, it's, it's not great. the same calculus that has befuddled the white houses and democrats on filibuster rules exists there. not only does biden oppose it, there's not 50 senate democrats who support it either. there's a bit of momentum coming behind this specific idea of a carve out for voting rights laws or election laws. we saw james clyburn a prominent house democrat, in leadership, obviously, a very important endorser of joe biden in the campaign tell our colleague, calling on biden to endorse the path forward. i would not dismiss the influence that clyburn has on the process. that he bei

but in texas, like in arizona, like in michigan, like in pennsylvania, like in georgia, bad things didn't happen, more people just voted. >> well, can we be really here? the real predicate about this is to stop people who quite frankly look like me from exercising their political power. and the truth of the matter is you're gonna hear more calls about a stolen election as a country over the next decade and a half who's closer to majority minority. because those playing the zero-sum racial game and those playing the tribalism game think that every political stride that people who look like me make in this country is them losing out. so until we have that real conversation about how we're all one america, you don't lose if in fact a black man is elected president. your tribe isn't losing. we're gonna have real problems. i only see this accelerating as we come closer to that moment in this country where we begin to go towards a majority, minority country and politically those trying to stop minorities and progressives from exercising their political power. >> i hope you're wrong, cornell. th

the falsehoods that he won arizona. the falsehoods that there was fraud in fulton county georgia but in trump's mind it was so real and he would tell it to us with a sort of animated cadence. he thought people were gonna finally figure out, he said i'm trying to get the word out here about the election fraud that simply doesn't exist. so what you have at mar-a-lago or what you have on the day that we were there at the end of march is the king of republican politics sort of in his break of doom with an imagined reality all around him that just doesn't stack up to the facts or anything else. and by the way, he's also field with grievance. he brought up again and again people like bill barr and mitch mcconnell and paul ryan, the former speaker of the house, he even invoked the late senator john mccain. oh people he made fun of and said we're unintelligent. >> he blamed them for things that had gone wrong and he also blames mike pence, his loyal vice president for not doing what trump considered to be the courageous thing o

joining us is arizona secretary of state katie hobbs, also a candidate for governor in arizona. madam secretary, first, is there no recourse to regain possession of these ballots so that they're not moved again and potentially tampered with? >> well, the recourse would be between the maricopa county and the senate, who has ordered this audit. but, really, you know, this is exactly why we have been fighting against this from the get-go. these are not experts. they're making this up as they go along. it is not a real audit. they don't know what they're doing and they're not taking their role right now as custodian of these ballots and equipment seriously. that's very clear from everything we've seen. >> and, in fact, your ability to do your job is being hampered by -- i want to read from the npr reporting on this. arizona republicans stripped some election power from democratic secretary of state, arizona republicans have stripped the secretary of state's office, currently held by a democrat, of the right to defend the state's election laws in court or choose not to. the change en

arizona's electoral votes. that's because we've seen a big surge in latino voters, mefrm voters and native american voters for the first time in a long time, not just registering but turning out to vote. they've made it harder for folks because they lost the last election. instead of playing by the rules which they lost by, they're trying to make it harder for communities of color. the decision by the u.s. supreme court was disappointing but not surprising because what we see with the conservative majority in the supreme court is an attempt to slowly make it harder for communities of color, rural americans, rural arizonaans to have access to the ballot box. it is disappointing but not surprising. we have heard next year that the republican colleagues in the legislature will be introducing some of the more onerous restrictions and ways to make it harder for people to access the ballot box. it will be a full-on war not just this year but next year when we go back to legislative session in january. >> you saw demo

let me put up some of the arizona's great reporting from over the holiday. arizona republican chair kelly ward's pressure campaign with hickman, the gop official who refused to pick up trump's call, began in earnest on november 7th as votes were still being counted. ward complained election observers were unable to see. after hickman pressed for specifics ward responded, quote, we need you to stop the counting. days later on november 13th, she wrote, we want you guys to do the right thing, prove to millions of arizona voters that the maricopa vote is legit. don't try to simply tell us that the recorder and elections department say it's fine. prove it to arizona and to america. you have all the power you need to make it happen. the pressure campaign is clearly coming from the ex-president. i think he bragged about it. i think he flew some of the officials from michigan in, and it really does sort of undergird the point that save for a handful of local election officials, a lot of them republicans, we could have had a very different outcome in november. >> yea

jackson arrested in arizona appeared for arraignment today. the feds say they saw him amongst the proud boys. he, they say, tried to argue it was antifa and blm, that denialism continues to this day. >> clint, we talked at the top of the show about vaccine hesitancy and what the message is, who can be the messenger. when it comes to being honest about what happened on january 6th, why it happened, is there someone who can be the messenger that actually breaks through to these people if they were to come to reality themselves? >> i think it mostly comes interest capitol hill. it's got to be republican congressmen that are honest with the american people about the damage done to our democracy on january 6th. mike pence, the former vice president, he alone should be a messenger out there saying, hey look, these people were trying to attack me. they interrupted the democratic process. they did not allow for the peaceful transfer of power. in many of these jurisdictions, arizona, michigan, were these notions of a recount constantly being pushed for

from arizona to missouri to nebraska to georgia. i mean we could tell -- to texas. we see this happening. it is a concerted effort. it is an all-out effort on the part of the republican party. i think what you have been saying over the course of these many weeks, nikole, you have been sounding the alarm, you have been trying to tell folk that we are in serious danger, that democracy is in serious danger. i think it is time for president biden to go on the offensive. i think he needs to give a speech about not the state of the union but the state of american democracy from the oval office, to set the terms of the debate, to bring the fight to these people, because the stakes are that high. we keep seeing democrats on their heels while republicans are attacking at every front, on every front. it seems to me, given what we have described, what you have described, what we know, democrats have to go aggressive, and if they don't we need to start asking questions why. >> okay. i want to throw out everything i was going to ask you guys. let's talk about this. what does tha

you see it in wisconsin, you see the arizona fraud being used as a model. but i have to say and i understand -- i take yamiche's point all the things the white house has to juggle today but a lack of real focus and urgency on the part of the democrats to deal with this including the failure to focus on the other aspect of this not just the access to the ballot box but nullifications of elections. the power of state legislatures to overturn the election. the electoral vote counting act that might allow a republican congress to set aside the winner of an actual election. they seem to go through the motions and wave their hands at it. but it does feel like, again, going through the motions as opposed to a real sense of urgency, a full-court press would involve compromised legislation, more aggressive action by the department of justice, and a much more aggressive approach by the white house including the president and the vice president and, quite frankly, i know we're supposed to think they're addressing it today, but i actually think what you just played hig

in arizona, wisconsin, in georgia it was recounted three times. it's clear. for those who challenge the results and question the integrity of the election, no other election has ever been held under such scrutiny and such high standards. the big lie is just that, a big lie. >> president biden also delivered a forceful appeal to congress to pass the john lewis voting rights act and hr-1, the for the people act, but also outlined measures that he's taking, that his office is undertaking in tandem, like a push to educate voters as well as a rebuke of the republicans at all levels of government leading the effort to strip mostly democratic, mostly minority voters of their access to the ballot box piece by piece. watch. >> we're going to face another test in 2022. a new wage of unprecedented voter suppression and raw and sustained election subversion. we have to prepare now. as i said time and again, no matter what, you can never stop the american people from voting. they will decide. and the power must always be in the people. that's why just like we did in 2020,

in arizona if you can't win the vote then you try and change it. you see this in texas and arizona, what do we see, places where the gop just doesn't have good ideas and they can't win. when you can't win you try and change the story. the problem is when you change the story, even when people who know the story is a lie, try and change the story, someone believes it. someone down the road is committed to that cause and every single time they do this there will be someone that believes the election was stolen and you will see mobilizations to violence. if you look in the last three to four days the number of arrests around the country of people that want to strike political targets that are talking about turning over the election, we have new revelations about that, another out in san francisco talking about explosives and weapons. each one of these lies powers a conspiracy. the longer it lives, is perpetuated and the more political leaders speak to the lie the more you will see people mobilize to violence over time. ultimately what i never hear fro

and this thing that's going on in arizona, it is not an audit. it is really unfair to auditors everywhere to call it an audit. a stupid political theater game. it's a fairy tale. i wish somebody would play that tape of trump losing it, looney tunes, and make the republican caucus and the senate watch it with a camera on them. and then put a microphone in front of their mouths, what do you think? is this your guy is this the guy? is this the guy you're losing it over? i mean, it's just amazing to me these people i know well, that are smart, intelligent, many of them have a kind heart even though i disagree with them on a lot of stuff, that they are silently watching this guy take them down crazy lane. it's unbelievable. >> charlie is back. i think we can answer that question for claire because we saw their faces, and i think she's probably talking about members who became subservient to trumpism, who used to seem to believe in things, maybe people like rob portman or blunt who seem to be republicans first. we saw their faces when he talked about g

nevada, arizona, florida, georgia, tennessee, michigan, iowa, oklahoma. some of these deep red states where there were no questions of fraud but they're just going along to get along. on this question of shaking up the debate, letters from companies after baseball moved the all-star game, there wasn't much noise coming from companies, but i wonder if you think there's something shifting underneath this debate, eugene? >> i think there is. there is a through line and everyone is so shocked by what happened on january 6th and they're looking in washington that the states took the big lie and these lawmakers started making laws because of that. you look in texas, texas people had no complaints about what actually happened in texas, how the election was actually run. georgia, the same thing. michigan, the same thing. the people who do the work. the secretaries of state, republican and democrat, have had no issues saying this was an election that was free and fair and the president in office right now is the rightful winner of that election. i think what you'r

that signal was sent with that arizona decision, and we could not sit by. we've been asking for a meeting once that decision dropped. marc morial and i reached out and said we need to meet now because this has escalated to where the damage can be generational. >> rev, the damage being generational is what is already in motion from republicans. i feel like mel gibson in "conspiracy theory" in saying this all the time. but republicans are so far ahead, that now the only option this white house and democrats in congress have is to come in and try to minimize the damage. they won't be able to undo all of it. i wonder if you'd like to see a more offensive posture, a public relations campaign to build support for filibuster reform, for stuff predicated on the big lie as the republican lieutenant governor of georgia said. state legislative pushes to push back around the corners of the most egregious aspects of these laws. federal legislation that doesn't rest until it passes. it feels like republicans have moved with a speed and an urgency. and i said this in the

the conservative majority on the supreme court up holding two voting restrictions in the state of arizona, one that requires officials to toss out ballots cast in the wrong precinct and another that makes it a crime for most people to collect ballots for delivery to polling precincts, a practice that has been a target of the former president and his allies peddling the big lie. >>> "the new york times" reporting on the wider implications of the decision says this. quote, the larger message of the ruling was that the voting rights act of 1965, hobbled after the supreme court in 2013 effectively struck down a central provision, retains only limited power to combat voting restrictions. in a scathing dissent, justice elena kagan writes, quote, if a single statute represents the best of america, it is the voting rights act. it marries two great i deals, democracy and racial equality. and it dedicates our country to keerg them out. if a single statute reminds us of the worst in america, it is the voting rights act because it was and remains so necessary. what is tragic here is that the court ha

passed restrictive laws, arkansas and montana passed four such laws each and arizona passed three. this wave of restricts on voting, the most aggressive we have seen in more than a decade of tracking state voting laws, is in large part motivated by false and often misinformation about voting fraud. the most aggressive we have seen in a decade. this is the name of the game in gop politics right now, isn't it? this is their bread and butter and a priority in how they go about playing the game. >> look, if you are main ort party, a party that hasn't won the presidential election, hasn't won a majority vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections, is only able to exercise power because of the counter-majority aspects of our system, does not have an agenda intended to appeal to the majority of americans and is, in fact, extremely threatened by demographic change and extremely threatened by sort of, you know, kind of who the majority in this country increasingly is, your only hope of maintaining power -- well, i guess you have two things. you can moderate your agenda. you can t

emulate not only more restrictive voting rights bills but also the ridiculous audit that's going on in arizona. >> absolutely, ali. i know some people have tried to laugh this off and say, well, we have a democratic governor. he can veto some of the worst things and so it's a joke. it's not a joke. it's not a joke. and let's be very clear about something. they are not trying to stop everybody from voting. they're trying to stop certain people from voting. look at me. look at me for a second. they are trying to keep folks who look like me, who come from working backgrounds like me, who are young, like me. these are the people they're trying to keep from the ballot box. that is why i take this so damn personally. they understand that when young people come out to vote, when black people come out to vote, when marginalized people get to vote, we get things like sending joe biden to the white house, like historic victories in georgia to send two democratic senators to the united states senate. folks are getting $300 in their bank accounts right now because young people, black people, brown people,

you look at these attacks on voting rights, this audit in arizona. are these institutions that are actually holding strong? >> you know, that is such a smart point. and i think what the final year of the trump presidency revealed for all of us is just how fragile these institutions are in this country. you know, milley is right that democracy held through january 20th. biden was sworn in as president because he was the victor in the election. that was the will of the american people. but the threat has not been extinguished. in fact you have hundreds -- more than hundreds, republican members of congress who opposed certifying the election results. you have all of this controversy surrounding a commission to investigate the january 6th insurrection and you have in donald trump, former president trump, the leader, the current leader of the republican party who's toying with the idea of running for president again. if the primaries were held tomorrow, he would almost certainly be the republican nominee for president in 2024. and so that threat is very m

from an attorney, an attorney with the status update from his ongoing pursuit of fraud allegations in arizona. the ex-president and right-wing cable news as a clear and present danger is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. nbc washington investigative reporter scott mcfarlane is here, an msnbc contributor, and sam, white house editor for politico and an msnbc contributor. scott, i have to give you credit for flagging most of these headlines we're starting with for me. why don't you take me through, first, this new video and, second, this finding that because of the lies that the ex-president continues to tell and because of the way they're amplified on right-wing media it is not safe for the community and the document says or democracy itself to have the defendants and the insurrection investigation roaming around unsurveilled. >> nicolle, good afternoon. let's begin with the video. it's so visceral. it's released under court order by the u.s. justice department. body worn camera footage, more from police officers who are not only on the front lines that

and just to button up your point, david jolly, it will be easier for him the next time in georgia, in arizona, and in every other battleground state, frankly, in every state. 48 states are looking at 389 voter suppression laws and laws that would change the administrators of our election. that should scare everybody. sam stein, i'm sorry i called you eli. always say something. thank you so much to both of you for joining us. when we come back, joe manchin gave texas democrats some face time. what both sides say is an effort to protect voting rights. did they get anywhere? just how they're going to do that next. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. ♪ usaa ♪ ♪ ♪ when tec