you know, listening to ron klain there, and i get the political messaging of this. they've got to present, hey, this president is doing what he promised to do, try to work in a bipartisan fashion, but i've got to tell you, from, you know, my day job down at the other end of pennsylvania avenue, the ship has already sailed and capitol hill. i don't see any way raising corporate taxes, raising taxes on individuals, that they get any support from republicans at all, and are going to have to do this alone. what's your take? >> well, i agree with that, kasie, but there's also one other thing. there's folks like joe manchin. the joe manchin rule, do what i want or you don't get anything you want. what we're seeing here, he will only vote for something if it has buy-in from republicans and tax increase os. there's one vote that's going to be tough to get. it's one thing getting -- it's one thing getting something through during a pandemic. it's another thing on infrastructure. so you have to make sure, yes, the president has to make sure he has all 50 votes to go reconcili

klain, now the white house chief of staff. and kasie, who's two interesting twists on the j.d. advance likely run for rob portman's seat. one is that he's become a big voice against big tech. and of course, has rise has been viral and he's done very online. so big tech has actually been an important tool of his. and second, he's trying to be trumpy and trying to attack west coast billionaires. but of course, he's supported by one of those billionaires and got to know them well when he was working in venture capital. this is someone with an authentic american story that broke through with americans in a way that few sort of on the ground books have it was one of the first ways that the people tried to understand the trump phenomenon of the struggling areas that went big pro-trump and in the blind spot of so much of the media. >> axios' mike allen, thank you very much for being up early with us today. we really appreciate it. and we have woken up this morning to yet another mass shooting in america. it also happens to be the sam

klain seeing if there's some deal that they can make on infrastructure. so kasie, one idea they're floating is in a first package to draw those ten republican senators votes, could you limit it to traditional infrastructure, what republicans have been wanting, roads, bridges, airports, and leave out other packages. there's room for a deal and these talks go beyond last time which was more photo op or media in the oval office. these seem to be real conversations. >> if there they're worth keeping secret, that makes some sense to me, mike. do you know if there's a time line on these talks? i think there's some democrats on the hill who don't want to drag this out? are there setting memorial day deadline, end of summer deadline to see if they can get these people on board? >> no, kasie, you're also hearing that they hope to do it this summer. a little bit this is flash back to the obama administration when they realized that when things drag out too long, if you get past labor day, then suddenly you're in next year, then you're suddenly in the mid terms. so,