klain for ron klain's very first job in politics, and he wrote this note to ron klain. "to the best campaign manager in ed markey's or anyone else's 1984 senate campaign. there is no one else i would have wanted running those final ten days in september." of course if the final ten days of your campaign are in september, that means you lost in the democratic primary. joining us now, the first person in history to lose a campaign run by ron klain, senator ed markey of massachusetts. senator, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> well, actually, to clarify, i didn't run. and so the reality was that if i had the final days, ron klain would have been the perfect person, but unfortunately, i decided i would rather be the chairman of the energy and environment committee in the house of representatives. so i did not run in 1984, although ron klain was my legislative staff director and brilliant at it, and the campaign manager for the race that i decided not to complete. >> that's the kind of campaign that i could run, the one that you don't actually run in. that would

you know, listening to ron klain there, and i get the political messaging of this. they've got to present, hey, this president is doing what he promised to do, try to work in a bipartisan fashion, but i've got to tell you, from, you know, my day job down at the other end of pennsylvania avenue, the ship has already sailed and capitol hill. i don't see any way raising corporate taxes, raising taxes on individuals, that they get any support from republicans at all, and are going to have to do this alone. what's your take? >> well, i agree with that, kasie, but there's also one other thing. there's folks like joe manchin. the joe manchin rule, do what i want or you don't get anything you want. what we're seeing here, he will only vote for something if it has buy-in from republicans and tax increase os. there's one vote that's going to be tough to get. it's one thing getting -- it's one thing getting something through during a pandemic. it's another thing on infrastructure. so you have to make sure, yes, the president has to make sure he has all 50 votes to go reconcili

klain, now the white house chief of staff. and kasie, who's two interesting twists on the j.d. advance likely run for rob portman's seat. one is that he's become a big voice against big tech. and of course, has rise has been viral and he's done very online. so big tech has actually been an important tool of his. and second, he's trying to be trumpy and trying to attack west coast billionaires. but of course, he's supported by one of those billionaires and got to know them well when he was working in venture capital. this is someone with an authentic american story that broke through with americans in a way that few sort of on the ground books have it was one of the first ways that the people tried to understand the trump phenomenon of the struggling areas that went big pro-trump and in the blind spot of so much of the media. >> axios' mike allen, thank you very much for being up early with us today. we really appreciate it. and we have woken up this morning to yet another mass shooting in america. it also happens to be the sam

so i don't think a call from ron klain or jen psaki would necessarily have the fox news talking heads change their messaging. one thing i did find interesting about tucker carlson's monologue last night was that that it illustrated they're still having trouble landing a direct hit on the biden administration. this -- this message came hours before biden himself steps out at the white house and said, you don't have to wear a mask outside anymore. it would almost make more sense if he was doing this in the face of news that biden is continues to insist on mask wearing. in fact, you know, if tucker carlson wants less mask wearing, he could amplify the president's message today, but he's turning it into a culture war. it doesn't match up with the facts comes out of the cdc and the government, which are actually saying something that he doesn't disagree with this this time. >> that's the irony of the whole thing, frank. that's why we covering it as disinformation. we're no longer having different takes on the news of the day. it's straight-up disinformation. annie karni knew, and surely tu

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monica, ron klain was out there doing interviews today. it's interesting, they want to -- it seems like the message is, hey, we're not going it alone yet. >> exactly, chuck. they're trying to build that runway so then later if there is no republican support for this structure plan, they can say hey, at least we tried. and you did hear that also from the transportation secretary, pete buttigieg, who was on msnbc a few hours ago, saying he's privately talking to lawmakers from both parties about this and then you have the president saying he's going to be inviting those lawmakers into the oval office in the coming days. in the meantime, he did hand out those home work assignments to the five cabinet secretaries representing, of course, transportation, energy, commerce, labor and hud. and he has essentially asked them to report back before the next cabinet meeting on their progress in terms of seeing not just how they sell this on capitol hill but also to the american public. that was a signal to me, again, they're going to do what they did w

klain seeing if there's some deal that they can make on infrastructure. so kasie, one idea they're floating is in a first package to draw those ten republican senators votes, could you limit it to traditional infrastructure, what republicans have been wanting, roads, bridges, airports, and leave out other packages. there's room for a deal and these talks go beyond last time which was more photo op or media in the oval office. these seem to be real conversations. >> if there they're worth keeping secret, that makes some sense to me, mike. do you know if there's a time line on these talks? i think there's some democrats on the hill who don't want to drag this out? are there setting memorial day deadline, end of summer deadline to see if they can get these people on board? >> no, kasie, you're also hearing that they hope to do it this summer. a little bit this is flash back to the obama administration when they realized that when things drag out too long, if you get past labor day, then suddenly you're in next year, then you're suddenly in the mid terms. so,

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we heard from jen psaki, and ron klain, the chief of staff as well, that yes, we'd like to work with republicans and bring them onboard for our infrastructure plan. we have heard from mitch mcconnell and just about every other republican we're not getting onboard with a tax hike. where does this net out? are we going back to reconciliation on this massive new bill? >> willie, it seems very obvious to me that democrats are going to have to pass this package on a party line vote, and that means using that special process. and in fact we may hear today whether they'll get a third chance to use this process before the midterm elections. remember, this is something that typically you're only allowed to do once a year. but the reality here is that democrats are using -- they're running the same playbook that mitch mcconnell used when donald trump was president. moving these corporate tax rates back in the direction from which they came just reverses some of the tax cuts that republicans used when they pushed through a reconciliation package along entirely partisan lines. so that's -- they'

steve, ron klain, i do it because i don't want to be a monday morning quarterback, but they have questions, and i answer them, and i give them some advice. i think that biden is somebody who understands the senate. he has told me many times, don't forget, i'm a senate guy. he's a senate guy. in the senate for all those years. he understands the senate. and i think that his first 100 days as president of the united states has proven he knows what's going on. >> and with that, we're going to leave it there. senate majority leader harry reid, thank you for getting up a little early there in nevada to be with us on "the sunday show." >> thank you very much for allowing me to be on the show. >>> coming up, richard engel joins us live to talk about his special report on the january 6th insurrection. keep it where it is. ♪ ♪ i'll be right back. with moderate to severe crohn's disease, i was there, just not always where i needed to be. is she alright? i hope so. so i talked to my doctor about humira. i learned humira is for people who still have symptoms of crohn's disease after trying other m

they don't want people like jen psaki or ron klain or the president or the vice president leading this campaign. they want it to be people who don't seem to have a political agenda, folks like david was just saying, out in the community and friends and family, but also celebrities who are not a part of our daily political conversation, and the other thing interesting that we're seeing biden officials talk about is a focus on tone. they don't want to create an impression that they're belittling people who are hesitant to take the vaccine or making them feel stupid for not wanting to take the vaccine. rather, they want health officials to be open and sympathetic to the concerns that people out there might have about the vaccine. to be ready to answer questions no matter what they are, no matter how silly they might seem to the experts, but to not make people feel bad about having those concerns and then try to meet them in the middle somehow to persuade them to switch sides. they realize they're not going to get to everybody, but they need to try to get to 85% or 90% of the country in or