and now roger stone involved. gaetz paying $5,000 to brake ventures, one week before "the new york times" broke news of the probe. this is the same that stone was using to hide income. now, roger stone was already convicted in the federal mueller probe. he even had his home raided infamously. that led to his former client, donald trump, pardoning him and accepting that pardon is really an admission of group. now the doj is turning for what he calls this counselor of advice to, of all people, roger stone who was busted in a doj probe. you can't make this up. gaetz and stone are both known as colorful florida characters. they certainly swam together in the trump years. >> joining me now is one of the most impressive young, hard charging conservatives in the u.s. congress, matt gaetz. >> it's good to be on with you, roger. >> do you think trump should pardon roger stone? >> i do. and i think that it requires -- >> congressman, come on. >> matt gaetz shows tremendous promise. >> gaetz under investigation in this doj s

another florida man, roger stone who lives in brow ward county. he is at the forefront of the trump play book of deflect and project and raise money the entire time. matt gaetz is not going to be able to use all this stuff by fighting the corporate media and the swum p and all that stuff in a courtroom. but he can use it in the court of public opinion. and his district is ruby red. so this is his way of filling his campaign cough coffers. >> yeah. you make a fair point that if he's only worried about his right flank, the more he can re-cast this politically as a trump and stone situation where the perceptions can be where it is all about your friendship with trump and not some other greater malfeasance, maybe that plays politically. roger stone is speaking out. i have interviewed him in the past. we invited him on the program. he was maybe going to come on the program in january. he is invited back if he wants. we haven't spoken to him since the mueller probe, but he has spoken out elsewhere and that's what he's saying. >> he needs to go on offens

by roger stone. stone was the guy who courted controversy, who made controversy a political art form for decades. what does $5,000 get you from roger stone if you are matt gaetz? >> mine, it's unclear, right? we see he paid him that amount, $5,000, and we do see when he paid him. so this report that i looked at covers just the first part of the year, the first three months. and most of the spending comes just ahead or around the time that the investigation was announced. his payment to stone on march 24th. so he paid his firm $5,000 and then he meets his dad meets with this doj prosecutor, former doj prosecutor, to discuss some extortion scheme that's connected to this investigation, and matt uses that immediately to counterpunch against the news. he takes that extortion scheme to distract from the fact he has been announced to be under investigation for sex trafficking, which he acknowledged himself. that has to be -- those two things have to be twinned together. it seems like maybe he some sort of

yet, which is that according to this, a sex crime pardon goes for about a quarter million as far as roger stone considered it, and he's not nobody. he's one of donald trump's closest longest confidants who himself ended up getting a pardon. these are people in a position to know. now, i want to make sure before i go to michelle that we are, as part of our reporting, obligated to read this statement. this is new from mr. stone. quote, i made no effort whatsoever to secure a pardon for mr. greenberg. i took not a dime from him or anyone else seeking a pardon. i have seen no substantiation or actual proof of wild accusations he has made against congressman gaetz. desperate men often tell lies in an effort to lessen the penalties against themselves, end quote. michelle, our standards department, which has riggously gone over that department requires that defense from mr. stone. your view on all of the above and what sounds like a potential pardon scandal? >> well, i don't know. i am not a lawyer. i have no idea if it's a crime to try to sell a pardon if you don't do it. but i do -- because it

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taking advice of roger stone who advised him to go on the offense. he's defending himself in op-ed in conservative washington examiner saying he's being targeted because happily engaged to human woman. want to sensationalize and criminalize my prior sex life just as i'm getting engaged. please stop saying sex life, sir. even saying it was retaliation for voting against liz cheney who voted to impeach the president. even he conceded he has no evidence that gaetz -- that could exonerate gaetz. >> what of the investigation do you know that can lead you to -- would lead you to discredit the investigation? >> i don't have any specific knowledge on the investigation. or any of the facts that are involved with the investigation. >> privately republican lawmakers tell the hill that gaetz's days in congress are numbered and one congressman is donating contributions he received from gaetz to victims of abuse. democratic pollster and strategist and former executive director and counsel of the black caucus. you know florida and this character. "washington post"

you no roger stone and his ethos. this is also from the "daily beast" reporting. in private text messages to stone, greenberg described hids activities with gaetz, repeatedly referring to republican congressman by his initials m.g. or matt. quote, my lawyers said know the whole story about his involvement. they know he paid me to pay the girls and that he and i both had sex with the girl who was under age. greenberg seeking a pardon from donald trump before he was out of office. it was a busy time for those who were seeking pardons from donald trump before he left office. but matt gaetz also talked about, on tv, and it was reportedly "the new york times," went to the white house for a pardon for himself. >> it's really a great group of guys, up and down, nicole. but yes, this is the sort of swampy, you know, world of politics that roger stone has existed in his entire career. you know, of course, started out as the nixon -- working for richard nixon and move forward through the back alleys of republican politics with paul manafort, his former partner. and he was p

>> well, look, if we go back to the special counsel report, you'll recall that roger stone was in the thick of things with regard to keeping trump informed about wikileaks and julian assange and what was about to happen and it seems that's his m.o., to be in the middle of stirring up and fomenting trouble. so, we don't know the facts but we know that he was being protected by members of this organization and now, as you said, we just learned that those very people literally physically around roger stone were in significant contact with the leadership of oath keepers, even during -- even during the january 6th insurrection. >> frank figliuzzi, you've been so generous with your time today. we needed you for the first 41 minutes and 27 seconds of our show. i know you have to leave us. thank you, my friend, for spending so much of the day with us. >> sure. >> i'm coming to you now, john heilemann, and i want to read a little bit from the "washington post" reporting on this story, on this oath keeper, rhodes has denied any plan to enter the capitol and accused prosecutors of trying to manu

rogers who spent his entire career in green bay won his third league mvp this season. leading the packers to a 13-3 record for the second straight season. yicks. >>> time now for the weather, bill, our good friend steve is going to be at the big board with the odds at churchill downs coming up. first saturday in may. we have to know what the track weather will be like. what's going on? >> saturday is the kentucky derby. it looks really nice today 68 and sunny. tomorrow for the big race on nbc here. post times at 7:00 eastern time. 73 degrees and mostly sunny. you want to talk about beautiful, ideal weather conditions for anyone watching at the race. talking about the severe weather threat today from the wind that brought in some of the rain yesterday. we have high wind alerts. we have a wind warning for philadelphia. boston, hartford, new york, 62 million people impacted. highest wind gust will be this afternoon to this evening, 55-mile-an-hour winds are expected. storms along the gulf coast. this weekend, some fantastic weather from the midwest to the northeast, sunda

you wrote this about roger ailes. you said, i just didn't believe the entire federal government was so terrified of roger ailes that they'd break about a dozen laws to bring them down. i thought i could get them to control the crazies. instead i found myself talking to the head of the club. here is the head of fox news, you met with him to say can we cool the rhetoric down. you put the blame on president obama. isn't it roger ailes and what happened with the right wing at night that torpedoed the immigration? >> no, no. believe me, chuck, i wanted to get immigration reform done. president obama wanted to get it done. again, every time we'd get ready to move, the president would go out and give some speech or he'd loosen up some immigration regulation and just kind of set everybody on fire. and that's not a prescription for getting things accomplished in congress. >> you made it clear you voted for president trump for re-election. you made that decision, in fairness, before january 6th. after watching what you saw happ

i want to ask you about the department of justice filing a lawsuit against roger stone today, a blast from the past. the headline of your story reads, "the justice department sues roger stone, a longtime trump ally, alleging tax evasion." what's the story about? >> the federal government is saying that roger stone for a series of years from 2007 to 2011 did not pay his taxes, that he actually entered into an agreement with the government and was paying his back taxes on a monthly payment plan when he decided to stop. he created different entities, they were actually controlled by him, in which to start moving money and assets around in order to hide things from the government. this sort of kicked into gear after he was indicted as part of the russia investigation, the mueller investigation. he even went so far as to try to hide his house by selling it to a sham entity that would buy it. so the government is alleging not only does he owe a tremendous amount of money, that he deliberately tried to defraud the government. they filed a civil lawsuit to recruit the money which according to

cloud or inhibiting, which is the birthplace of roger, or minneapolis, that you are treated the same way for the same crime, and the guidelines introduced that kind of uniformity into sentencing, very worthy goal. >> you drop roger maris, we're gonna hear from all the bob dylan fans, chuck i can't thank you enough for your expertise, ditto to chief best, thank you so much for joining us after the day we've had. coming up for us we can think a few people better to talk about the impact of today's guilty verdict then jason johnson and baratunde thurston, both gentlemen standing by to talk to us when we come back. but new cascade platinum changes all that. new cascade platinum, with 50% more cleaning power! it dissolves fast to start cleaning sooner, releasing the soaking power of dawn. then cascade's food-seeking enzymes latch on and break down food into particles so small they can flow right down the drain. and it's powerful enough for the quick-wash cycle! new cascade platinum with 50% more cleaning power! the #1 brand just got better! many plug-ins are stuck in the past. they releas

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, michael steele, having worked in the republican world, would you ever give something like that to roger stone? >> no! you don't do stuff like that! but look, this gaetz stuff is messy. and a lot of republicans, there's a lot of splatter that's going to come up on this thing, because, you know, as this story line unfolds and these confessions start coming out, where do you go as a republican? and this guy is supposed to go on a road show with marjorie taylor greene to go after rinos. well, y'all better sit your behinds back at home and figure out how to pay your legal bills, because you're going to have a lot of them -- oh, that's why they're going on the road show. >> it's like their version of -- it's like rine and stimpy, but on the road. chuck rosenberg and michael steele, thank you both very much. >>> up next on "the reidout," former secretary of state luc hillary clinton joins me to talk about president biden's first hundred days. the legal jeopardy facing her former political rival, one rudy giuliani. >>> plus, the travesty of democracy taking place in arizona. more than five mont

a very worthy goal. >> you drop roger maris, we're going to hear from all the bob dylan fans as well. chuck, i can't thank you enough for your candor and expertise. ditto to chief best. thank you both so much for joining us tonight after the day we've had. coming up for us, we could think of few people better to talk about the impact of today's guilty verdicts than baratunde thurston and jason johnson. both gentlemen standing by to join us when we come back. s whe. stay restless with the icon that does the same. the rx crafted by lexus. lease the 2021 rx 350 for $439 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. cranky-pated: a bad mood related to a sluggish gut. lease the 2021 rx 350 for $439 a month for 36 months. miralax is different. it works naturally with the water in your body to unblock your gut. free your gut, and your mood will follow. vo: president biden's bold new jobs plan - it rebuilds our country and tackles climate change with clean energy jobs. biden: the american jobs plan will lead to a transformational progress in our effort to tackle climate chan

nonsense, said his defense attorney john rogers. kirk made it clear to police, he said. that fedex from pam was no big deal. >> it didn't affect me. you're wondering if i disagreed or argued with her about it? >> kirk had a full pension guaranteed for life which he could have taken at any point in time. he was making $95,000 working for state farm. he had in excess of $240,000 in his 401(k). >> reporter: the defense told the court that police had tunnel vision from the very start. >> it's the old, "let's go look at the ex-husband. he must've done it." >> reporter: that grainy video the prosecution suggested was kirk's silver hyndai sonata? really, said the defense? how could you tell? >> i don't remember the month and the year. i don't! and i don't want to hear no more! >> reporter: then there's maria legg, the prosecution's only eyewitness. >> i had a very difficult cross-examination with her. because she simply chose not to respond to me. >> i don't want to answer to you because i'm going to say what i saw. >> reporter: and when she did respond, her testimony contradic

back in 2017 greenberg posted this selfie with gaetz and trump ally roger stone and i can't help but wonder what would the reaction be i don't know if aoc or ilhan omar was in the picture of a man charged with sex trafficking of a child. qanon would go crazy, and yet no one seemed to care when matt gaetz did exactly that at least not until now i'm joined by two people tonight with great insight into this case new york times justice reporter katie benner and former reporter cynthia oxny who specialized in sex crime cases. thank you both for your time tonight. what have your learned since your initial shocking report yesterday? >> what we've learned in the last 24 hours is really more detail about the alleged extortion plot let's keep in mind the alleged extortion plot is different from the allegations against congressman gaetz about child sex trafficking. that's an investigation going on for more than a half a year. what happened a couple weeks ago two men approached the congressman's father don gaetz they said in a document gaetz did provide to new york city, these men said we're awa

so many stories going on, i want to ask you about the department of justice filing a lawsuit against roger stone today, a blast from the past. the headline of your story reads the justice department sous roger stone, a longtime trump i lie, alleging trump -- tax evasion. >> they're saying that for many years did not pay his taxes, he actually entered into an agreement with the government and was paying his taxes on a monthly payment plan when he decided to stop. he created different entities that were controlled by him and started moving money and assets around in order to hide things from the government. he even went so far to try to hide his house by selling it to an entity who would buy it. they're saying that he owes the government money and he has tried to hide that money. they filed a civil lawsuit to reclaim the money which according to the government totals $2 million. >> we will continue to add that to the list of cady benner that we are following in the new york times. good to see you. she covers the justice department for the new york time. thank you for your time. before we mov

back in 2017, he posted this selfie with gaetz and trump ally roger stone. i can't help but wonder, what the reaction will be if, i don't know, aoc or a picture with a guy charged with sex trafficking of a child he would go crazy. fox news would have a field day. nobody seemed to care when matt gaetz did exactly that at least not until now i'm joined by two people tonight with great insight in this case, "new york times" justice reporter katie benner who first broke the story yesterday and former prosecutor cynthia opsny who specialized in sex trafficking cases. the what you have learned since your initial shocking report yesterday? >> what we learned the last 24 hours is really more detall about the alleged extortion plot and let's keep in mind the extortion plot is different from the allegations against congressman gaetz about child sex trafficking. that's an investigation going on for more than half a year. what happened a couple weeks ago is two men approached don gaetz. they laid out a plan for him in a conversation, these men said we're aware that your

move roger to clubhouse? it's a lot of reasons we could discuss later. >>> let's move on. more than a hundred corporate ceos, attorneys and experts came together this weekend to discuss next steps in fighting bills that restrict voting. it comes in response to georgia's controversial election law. and legislation like it making its way through statehouses across the country. ideas discussed included pulling donations, public statements, and support for legislation on the national level. the meeting was first reported by "the wall street journal." a wide variety of industries were represented, from financial and pharmaceutical to travel and tech. our next guest is the person who organized the meeting, senior associate dean for leadership studies and professor of leadership practice at yale school of management, jeffrey a. sonnenfeld. and i just wonder, joe, if mr. sonnenfeld got the message from mitch mcconnell. that these guys need to just stay out of politics. >> ridiculous. jeffrey -- i'm going to talk to t

what we saw today, in a "washington post" article is, another connection between the old keepers and roger stone, and i just want to read a little bit of this. oath keepers founder stewart rhodes, his deputy and three members who guarded roger stone exchanged nearly 20 phone calls over three hours on january 6th coinciding with the first assault on the u.s. barricades protecting the capitol and spanning the time those breached the building. and some charged oath keepers were seen acting as body guards for stone earlier in the day. i imagine the answer is, no but are you satisfied that everybody around congress is taking this connection between the prior administration and these extremist groups seriously now? >> no, not at all, and you know, i think many are pushing back, suggesting that anyone who makes a connection between the president's calls to march on the capitol, or fight this rigged election, that anyone associated with that is somehow tarred with the brush of being a terrorist, that's the way they're trying to pe juroratize, if you disagree you're calling them a terrorist. but lo

. >> roger that, brother. god speed and fair winds to us. >> amen, sister, stay safe. >> watkins had been preparing for months. in texts from november, cited in court documents and now being used as evidence, she wrote a potential recruit. i need you fighting fit by inauguration. in another text, she wrote, biden may still be our president. if he is, our way of life as we know it is over. our republic would be over. then it is our duty as americans to fight, kill and die for our rights. as the crowds from the trump rally get closer to the capitol, watkins gives progress reports. >> yeah, we're one block away from the capitol now. i'm probably going to go silent when i get there, because i'm going to be a little busy. >> the walkie talkie app she's using allows supporters to join in from a group chat from anywhere. >> the u.s. military news is reporting that the national capitol has been breached. that's right, mother [ bleep ]. this is a can of whoop [ bleep ] made in america, yeah. >> witnessing history, boss

along with joe, willie and me, we have historian and rogers chair and the american presidency at vanderbilt university, jon meacham, who occasional unofficially advises joe biden and award winning story, historian and writer, keisha n. blaine, an associate professor of history at the university of pittsburgh. there is a lot we are covering this morning. the new round of strict sanctions that the u.s. levied on russia. the comments from the ceo of pfizer that the need for covid booster shots is looking more and more likely. today marks 100

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. >> reporter: state-appointed defense lawyers roger owens and jake feuerhelm knew that, in two trials, 19 of 24 jurors had voted to convict seth techel. they didn't like those numbers, and decided to head in a different direction. >> we chose to focus on the sloppy work done by the law enforcement. there was absolutely no dna, fingerprint -- confession. >> reporter: feuerhelm would argue it was a botched investigation. why would crime scene techs do tests to match the slug to the murder weapon, but never check it for fingerprints or dna that might link it to the shooter? >> did you test the bullet that was in the chamber that killed this woman? no, we forgot, or we didn't do it. >> reporter: whoops. >> whoops. >> reporter: the new defense team had a new story to tell -- it was all a rush to judgment to blame seth, who'd been in jail ever since his arrest two years earlier. and there was another big strategic shift. they would soften the focus on the boogeyman of the first two trials -- brian tate. >> our conclusion was after listening to the tapes of mr. tate, that he wasn't the deran

what's going on with jim rogers. and katty kay, many people don't realize, the mel kuiper jr. of the uk, so we'll be going to her with full draft analysis, right, katty? >> yeah. maybe later in the program when we're in break, we'll do that, right, willie? when no one's watching. >> we'll circle back you. let's begin with rudy giuliani's role in the trump administration's role in the ousting of an ambassador has landed him in the middle of a federal investigation. people familiar with the matter tell "the new york times" that investigators are looking into whether giuliani broke lobbying laws surrounding the firing of former ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. fbi agents seized telephones and computers from giuliani's office in manhattan this week. according to sources, at least one of the warrants sought evidence related to yovanovitch and her role as ambassador. the warrant also reportedly sought giuliani's communications with ukrainian officials, who had butted heads with the former ambassador. according to the sources, that includes some of the same people who also w

when matt gaetz wanted to have a pardon for roger stone, he talked to the president directly about it. matt gaetz is not going to former white house staff and trump staff to get an appointment with donald trump. if he wants an appointment with donald trump, he'll call him up. i find it doubtful that gaetz asked the white house staff to be pardoned and i found it doubtful he went to the mar-a-lago staff that said, hey, you people who hate me, can you help me see the president? i think gaetz realizes he's a bit toxic right now. >> briefly, mark, it sounds like shade or not, it sounds like you are questioning the premise of some of those reports that put their stock, including new york times on staff-level conversations because you are saying in your reporting that's not the nature of the relationship between these two individuals. >> i'm doubting the honesty of the sources of the people that hate matt gaetz. as we have seen over the years a lot of people who surround the president lie. >> but the president does have access. >> go ahead, joan. >> he can put out a statement. he did put ou

. >>> long time trump ally roger stone and his wife are accused of owing nearly $2 million to the federal government in unpaid daxs. >>> and across the pond and around the world, millions are expected to watch the funeral ceremony of prince philip later today. he died last week at age 99. the ceremony will begin at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. now back to "dateline." >>> welcome back to "dateline." i'm craig melvin. randy parker had reason to celebrate. his wife was back home. but new details about bobbi's time with dial were beginning to emerge. had she been a prisoner, as she told police, or did bobbi willingly go on the run? >> randolph dial, the convicted killer who busted out of prison, was back behind bars. his hostage, bobbi parker, was reunited with her family after more than ten years as dial's captive. it seemed like a happy ending to an incredible story. but from the day bobbi disappeared, some people had doubts about what really happened to her. one of them was her husband's former boss, warden jack cowley. did you suspect bobbi parker had a hand in it right away? >> i was drawn t

rogers like, and you saw in that photograph we just saw when he was 85. lovely and gentlemanly are the words that i would use, and also modest. he was a test pilot but he was not a squabbling self promoter, like a few astronauts were. and i always thought that nasa was very shrewd in the people that they selected for certain missions and certain jobs. michael collins knew that when apollo 11 took off, the people who would be best known by future americans would not be him, but they would be armstrong and aldrin, as it turned out to be. at the same time, you would've had no armstrong for aldrin unless you had collins, not only patiently in that command module circling the earth, but let's just imagine if, may god forbid, anything that happen to armstrong or aldrin on the moon, michael collins would've been the one who would have had to return to earth in that command module and emerge from that capsule, and go through a lot of public ceremonies. i think that the people at nasa chose these astronauts very carefully, they knew that this was someone, if god f

who should get a lesser sentence, like roger stone, based on what the proud incident wanted. to merrick garland's justice department, where the law will be treating everyone equally. were there will be a rule of law again. with a political process that is kept out of the decision-making. i think that's what this represents. and it couldn't be a better change for the department. >> if there's a real direct connection between that first impeachment trial, the news today about rudy giuliani and the speech tonight. which is that, donald trump saw from the beginning, joe biden as his biggest political threat. it was very. clear he was specifically the person he wanted to lose. he wanted to be. him and he wanted to find a way to use whatever means at his disposal, to sully and tar him. and to politically damage. him and if he had to use the government to do it, he was going to do it. and i'm curious what you thought of the new president speech tonight? and what it reflects about donald trump's political instincts, in that regard? >> i think his instincts were very good. because joe

men who have been accused of, you know, various kinds of sexual abuse or harassment for woman, from roger ails to even before he was president, right? i'm forgetting the boxer's name. i'm sorry. but, you know, over and over again he defended another man who alleged accused of being a ped file while he was president, including his own accusations. and bill barr wanted to use the power of the state to actually defend donald trump in a case against him for rape. so it's pretty -- you know, you're in a bad place if even those guys aren't willing to back you up. >> mark, i have the "politico" question for you, which will put you in the position of basically fact checking an snl punch line, but one that was striking because "saturday night live" had matt gaetz on as a character. and when pressed with all this, they said, how could you ever win re-election. there has been talk about gaetz not running for re-election. but in the joke, the character matt gaetz was saying this would hurt in most districts but not actually mine in florida. but it's a joke. but i give you the term to walk us through

roger marshall. rick scott. that, to me, is -- i don't know, what is it to you? >> i think it is strange and horrible and something we didn't even see at the time of the civil war because, you know, when abraham lincoln would send a message to congress, he wasn't sending it to jefferson davis and people like that who had served in congress because they fled. the south seceded and they were gone and the result was that lincoln at least when he sent messages to congress was sending messages to people by and large who wanted to see the nation survive. that's a little bit different. this was the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war. pearl harbor cost maybe 2400 lives and 9/11, another terrible attack, 3,000, but in those cases our democracy was not in jeopardy. just as yumish was saying, think of the 6th of january. if those terrorists had been a little bit faster, they could have and probably would have executed the vice president, executed the speaker of the house, executed other members and leaders of congress, possibly started a hostage crisis, kidna

50-year death march that the national republican party has been on, from the days of lee atwater and roger stone being given the keys to draft the philosophy and messaging platforms of the party. since the rise of the tea party, we're seeing it's okay to say the most abhorrent, most racist, most despicable things in the world out loud. now the lauren boeberts of the world, the marjorie taylor greenes of the world, they have won the contest to see who can say the craziest thing the loudest and longest. that's where the growth segment of the republican party is. so olivia, congratulation, you've got a hell of a project. >> you mentioned the late lee atwater. the volume and the way people are expressing things, was that all licensed by donald trump, did he give license to be able to do that? >> no, i think the republican party gave license to it in 2010 when we saw these terrible elements but they were willing to accept them because they were voting republican and donald trump was the force multiplier who blew it all out of the water. >> olivia, let's take a listen to house minority leader ke

senator roger wicker said he thought the initial offer, quote, might be somewhere south of 600 billion. >>> the top u.s. general for the east has a stark warning for the withdrawal of troops in afghanistan. he told the house armed services committee leaving the country will make the work of counterterrorism more difficult. >> if you leave afghanistan and you want to go back in to conduct these kinds of operations, there are three things you need to do. you need to find the target. you need to fix the target. and you will need to be able to finish the targeted. if you're out of the country and you don't have the ecosystem that we are there now, it will be harder to do that. it is not impossible to do that. it will just be harder to do it. >> general mckenzie told congress the groans that can reach targets in minutes right now will have to be stationed further away. the u.s. does not have contracts currently with surrounding countries to station them there. >>> doctors for russian opposition leader for navalny were blocked yesterday from seeing him. they waited hours outside of the gates

go after what he called the crazy wing of the party, that he was doing things like reaching out to roger ailes and trying to get him and fox news and primetime to stop airing their grievances and stop giving voice to them. he was trying to keep extremists like michele bachmann off the ways and means committee at the time, so they will argue he was attempting to use his power to push back on this wing. there's another theory here of political historians which is that boehner essentially built a bridge between the old school institutionalist republican party and today's trump style republican party by embracing the smash mouth politics of newt gingrich, which was in many ways a precursor. there was a remarkable point in his book when he talks about how house republicans decided to impeach bill clinton because they thought it would win them house seats, and boehner went along with it. he made his compromises along the way, and whether you land on whether he's a victim or a participant in the development of the modern republican party probably depends on your perspective there. >> extraordin

the republican opposition is that quote you showed from roger wicker, which is, republicans are unwilling, completely unwilling, to undo the 2017-tax law to pay for this bill. that's just not something they are willing to do. and i -- and i don't know if that's going to change. i don't think it's going to change. and i know, people will point, the administration will point, to mitt romney and say, well, mitt romney is willing to raise the corporate rate to 25. but mitt romney is not indicative of the republican party. in fact, quite the opposite. he is indicative of nothing about the current-republican senate conference. a.m. edition this morning, we have a rundown of all the outreach the administration has been doing on this bill. and i understand, they are doing a lot and they are trying to get people on board. but they are, also, frankly, this is -- i'm not trying to impugn bad motives here, and i don't think they have bad motives. but at the end of the day, they are going to try to lay this at republicans' feet, if they don't come along, obviously. because this is joe biden's top-legi

. ♪ >>> former trump adviser and longtime republican ally roger stone slapped with a lawsuit from the u.s. justice department. the doj accusing stone and his wife of owing nearly $2 million in unfade federal income taxes and fees. not the first time or the first brush with the law for stone. last year he was sentenced to 40 months in prison for lying to congress about his role in the wikileaks scandal to try to dig up dirt on hillary clinton during the 2016 elections. president trump pardoned him. >>> the white house is backtracking hoping to ease the intense blowback from democrats after president biden said he would not raise the number of refugees allowed to enter the u.s., which was lowered by the trump administration. now his office says the president will revisit the issue. msnbc's monica alba is in delaware with more. the press secretary, jan psaki, is calling this, quote, some confusion. >> reporter: it certainly led to that, lindsay. that's absolutely right. this amounted to a walk back to a walk back. for weeks the white house had been asked whether they were going to increa

the transportation secretary, pete buttigieg, and the top senator on the transportation committee, roger wicker, had to say about funding this morning on "meet the press." >> there's a lot of support for how the president is proposing to pay for this. we know that we as a country can afford to make big investments in infrastructure. we just need to make sure that corporations are paying their fair share. >> pete and i could come up with an infrastructure bill. what the president proposed this week is not an infrastructure bill. it's a huge tax increase for one thing. >> joined by vaughn hillyard on capitol hill and monica alba who is at the white house for us. vaughn, let me start with you at the capitol. i think really the question here is how far apart are republicans and democrats this afternoon with this over $2 trillion infrastructure bill, seeing a glimpse of it there on "meet the press" earlier today. >> good afternoon, yasmin. if i could make one point too, watching that video of officer shaver there, god bless him and his family and the family of officer evans. for everybody who

so unlike what happened with me, unlike, you know, manafort who took it to trial or roger stone who went to trial, i didn't. i pled guilty and i got 36 months. so he's only right now imaging what does he have to do in order to stay out of prison? because rudy giuliani has no interest in being in prison during the golden years of his life. that i can assure you. >> yeah. well, and it's a lot of heat, michael. take a listen to donald trump here on fox business. >> rudy giuliani is a great faker. he does these things. he just loves these things. and they raid his apartment? it's like so unfair and such -- it's like a double standard like i don't think anybody's ever seen before. it's very, very unfair. >> is donald trump scared right now? >> yes, i think he's scared. and as i have said on other programs and, you know, to the press, donald we have seen this before. we saw it when they came and they raided my hotel, my room and my law office, right? and you decided that you didn't know who i was, that he was very angry that they had raided one of his attorney's offices. donald trump doesn't c

. >>> all right, long-time trump associate roger stone says he will fight new charges from the department of justice. they allege he and his wife owe nearly $2 million in unpaid taxes and fees. stone previously received a commutation from former president trump after being convicted of lying to congress about coordination with wikileaks to dig up dirt on hillary clinton. this new suit from the d.o.j. alleges the couple used a commercial entity to shield their personal income and fund a lavish lifestyle. >>> also the cdc's independent vaccine advisory panel is scheduled to meet next friday. the second time since the johnson & johnson vaccine was halted in the united states, the pause will more than likely last another week as doctors examine the troubling link between the vaccine and life-threatening blood clots in some recipients. with me now, msnbc medical contributor dr. kavita patel. you've been talking all week about kind of the effects and have the pause in the johnson & johnson vaccine. do you expect this pause of possibly up to two weeks, if not more, to affect biden's plans going

we heard from one senate republican how he's expecting to go into these negotiations, when senator roger wicker spoke earlier today on one of the sunday shows. >> i'm meeting with the president tomorrow. we are willing to negotiate with him on an infrastructure package. and this trillion dollar number is way too high for me, i'll just tell you. but negotiation has to be something different from what we had on the rescue plan. >> reporter: both the white house and democrats are having a lot of work to do to get their own party and republicans on board for this package but also when it comes to the house, speaker nancy pelosi, i caught up with her a few moments ago, she said she was not invited to had meeting taking place tomorrow at the white house, that she had a meeting on friday instead. she can only afford to lose two house democrats right now within the house to support this bill, just by that narrow, very slim majority she holds. so expect a lot of changes in the framework to this legislation to come out as we start to see drafts in the next few weeks. >> late breaking details of yo

roger wicker of mississippi, bragging about all the money from the covid relief bill that is coming to mississippi. bragging about it even though he voted against the bill. madison cawthorn, bragging about all the funding for, i think it was health centers in his district. all that money coming to his district from the covid relief bill. him bragging about it as if he had anything to do with it other than voting against it. there was uniform republican opposition to the covid relief bill. uniform and unanimous. so, yes, it may be brash to do it, but democrats are in their rights to put something like this up in times square. thank you, democrats. thank you, joe biden. they're not overstating the case. there are no republicans to thank. but now, this is times square in new york city. now, they've started doing this around the country. this went up in minneapolis, minnesota, today. help is here. $1,400 checks, money to reopen schools, money for vaccines. help is here. thanks to president biden, and on the other side, thanks to senator klobuchar, senator smith, who both voted for the covi

here they are with donald trump's longtime political ally, roger stone a year earlier. greatest gaetz and greenberg and another man posed in front of the house in 2018. last week "the daily beast" reported on the text messages that led the feds to matt gaetz which revealed he accompanied him on an unusual nighttime visit to the office where he was making fake i.d.s. on his way out of being in this office, he's going in this office in the middle of the night. greenberg forgot to set the alarm. that raised a red flag for the assistant branch manager who runs the office who shows up to the office on monday and was surprised to find expired driver's licenses scattered all over the desk instead of the appropriate disposal basket. she told her boss, who sent joel greenberg this text, quote, did you happen to visit the lake mary office on the weekend? greenberg responded, yes, i was showing congressman gaetz what our operation looked like. did i leave something on? okay, so that's -- i don't know. that seems pretty sketchy. you are the county tax assessor, and you leave a bunc

he and the vice president will meet with members from both chambers including roger wicker. >> this number is way too high for me, i will just tell you, but the negotiation has to be different from what we had on the rescue plan. >> carol lee is outside of the white house for us. the question is, where does the compromise come in? what does each side give? we know what senate republicans think because of a memo put out a couple moments ago. they're being pretty straightforward about it calling this a slush fund, what are you hearing? >> that memo coming before the president gathers this bipartisan group of lawmakers and underscoring what a challenge it will be for him to get any bipartisan support for this jobs bill. the republicans are calling this a slush fund. they also call it a wish list of non-infrastructure spending and a flurry of tax hikes. they think it is too big. it's not just narrowly targeted on what they would see as infrastructure. the white house has a different definition of that and they don't support raising taxes on corporations which is how the president proposed payi