and not just with john manchin. as he said on the radio yesterday, he has other senators with him on these tax provisions. take a listen. >> this bill will not be in the same form you have seen people talking about it. the final vote to get on it is not going everywhere. who will have leverage here? it's more than just me. there are six or seven other democrats who feel very strongly about this. >> stephanie, we will flush out over who those democrats are in the coming days and weeks but get ready for a protracted negotiation about what will be in this bill. >>> new topic, congressman matt gaetz in florida said he will not resign over the federal sex trafficking investigation into him. a, how are members of congress reacting? and b, if he get charged with something, will he be forced to resign? >> i think getting charged with something, getting indicted would be the next major piece in this. gaetz is very much following the playbook of former president trump, whom he was a leading aqua light, casting himself in this

do things, instead of compromise which is the way manchin prefers doing it, could we see a john mccain somewhere down the line? i think it's possible. >> i think manchin has felt that he's become the democratic party and everything john mccain for folks. appreciate it, sir. >>> up ahead, we have a sneak peek of something we're pretty fired up about around here, so stick around for that. d here, so stick around for that. philadelphia. schmear perfection. it's so busted, you can't use this part of the screen. definitely cracked every phone i've owned. (vo) you broke your phone. so verizon broke the rules. for the first time ever, new and current customers can trade in their old and damaged phones for up to $1,000 off our best 5g phones. my phone is old, very old. (vo) old, cracked, water damaged-- doesn't matter. i'm ready for something new. (vo) now, trade up to the 5g network you deserve with the 5g phone you want. because at verizon, the network is just the beginning. nicorette knows, quitting smoking is freaking hard. you get advice like: try hypnosis... or... quit cold turkey. kiddi

but now you have john manchin saying quite emphatically he opposes it. ly read a quote from the op-ed, we should all be alarmed with how the budget reconciliation process is being used by both parties to stifle debate around major issues facing our country today. legislating was never supposed to be easy. that is really now an uphill battle for the president who was thinking inaction is not an option and that's how he wanted to get infrastructure passed. but this really now puts things at quite a stalemate, steph. i know you're going to pose all of those questions to your next guest. >> indeed i am, monica, thank you. joining me now, u.s. energy secretary jennifer granholm, who we would like to welcome back to the show. we have not seen you here since just before the 2016 election. welcome back, secretary. >> thank you. >> i want to start with the infrastructure plan. if president biden took another swing at this thing, cut the cost significantly, even moderately, is there any shot some republicans will get on board? >> well, here's the evidence that it

so john, since joe manchin has been called out. let's listen to what joe manchin said on cnn this morning. >> do you think that -- >> i think they should be separated. i do think they should be separated because when you start putting so much into one bill which we call an ominous pill, it makes it very very difficult for the public to understand. >> so john, manchin is throwing his support behind the split bill just like we were talking. phil and i were just talking about. what do you think about that? democrats can't use the budget reconciliation path. how important was this comment and do you expect mention to stick to his guns on this kind of a move? >> well i'm not sure what senator manchin is going to be as we get into these discussions and whether we split the bill or not it's kind of a tactical decision it's going to be made by the white house, by speaker pelosi, by senator schumer. we hope this can be done in a bipartisan way. i mean i also am really happy to be on this show with my good friend bill who is a terrific chair

you have senator john manchin of west virginia who said the corporate tax rate increase, for instance, is too high for him. he wants it at a lower rate. the white house has signaled they're willing to compromise on that. senator manchin is not part of this meeting today but the white house said this is the beginning of the conversation, first of many to come, steph. >> is that why he chose this particular group of lawmakers? they may not be big-name influencers within their respective parties but they each have a vote and they're real stakeholders in infrastructure. >> yes, that's a great point because the president can't afford to lose any democrats in the senate. he has a very narrow margin, even just among democrats in the house if that's the way this is ultimately going to end, which is just being passed with democratic support. and when it comes to republicans, the president needs any republican, every republican he can possibly get on board. so that's why you see the president starting with lawmakers who might not stand out to those of us who are paying attention to this or peop

and the reason why that is so key and, john, you'll agree, erica, too, is because joe manchin's whole point of view is that the united states senate was meant as a place for compromise and that the biden administration, democratic leaders are giving up on compromise too soon. of course, what the democratic leaders say is, give me a break. if you really think there are republicans who are going to actually compromise and you need at least ten, there's no chance there's -- history does not show that there's evidence for that, but joe manchin, in this op-ed and in conversations i've had with him, he says that is simply not true. it is doable. but it is up to senators in both parties to roll up their sleeves and prove it's possible. >> he says it's time to do the hard work here. is he, you know, bringing any republicans to play at this point? >> well, what he argues is, yes, that there are republicans willing to play ball. the question is whether or not they can finish the game, so to speak. because what he points to is what happened in december. and what happened in december is that lead

john harwood joins us now. john, i wonder what the white house's latest pinch to manchin. he was definitive in interviews saying, no on ending the filibuster. expressed discomfort, you might say with opposition to using reconciliation again. but didn't exactly draw a line in the sand there. what is the white house read of his position? >> well, jim, the pitch from the white house is first to the republicans that will be joining democrats in that meeting today. you supported infrastructure projects in the past. we proposed a whole bunch of infrastructure projects in this package. let's see if we can make a deal. the message to joe manchin who will not be in that meeting is look here, we're trying to compromise with republicans. they expressed in skepticism. joe manchin wants a serious effort made. they're sending out the most effective communicator to argue that don't get hung up on the issue of whether the elements of our proposal fall into a traditional definition of infrastructure. there are things necessary for a prosperous economy and the american people support them.

. >> what does joe manchin think about this? >> we ask every morning. >> if we get joe manchin, what exactly are you going to agree to here? and this is important, as you know, john, because, look, this is something that the white house n and many democrats want as a generational achievement, an historic measure discussed. >> john, i think joe manchin wants a big infrastructure package. i think he wants a lot of infrastructure spending, a lot of broadband, road building, bridge repair in the state of west virginia. but i think he wants it to be demonstrated that president biden first tried in an aggressivist way as possible to get republican support. but i think we have to step back and remember. when you have a republican president, who said he wanted an enormous infrastructure plan and republican control of congress, they did not do it. why didn't they do it? well, republicans didn't really want to spend the money and they didn't want to finance it. if they wanted to add to -- they didn't want to raise taxes on anybody and if

. >> john: we will see. joe manchin has indicated that he might not be for it. senator shelley moore capito, always good to see you. speak to the cdc today on where things stand with the johnson & johnson vaccine. when will that single shot dose becoming available to the american people again. plus, can we start taking our masks off outside yet? that is the discussion. the cdc is looking into it. bill asked dr. nicole saphier about that. john roberts and bye-bye burgers. have president biden's climate agenda might impact the meat industry. ahead. i mean it... uh-oh, sorry... oh... what? i'm an emu! no, buddy! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪ dignity. it demands a rapid covid test, because we all deserve an answer. it demands your heart stays connected to your doctor, so you know it's beating as it should. and a rapid test to help evaluate concussion, in case something were to happen. at abbott, we fight for these moments, developing life-changing technologies. because dignity demands it. ♪ ♪ to be a thriver with metasta

manchin's not alone in his quest. arizona senator and one-time sinema adamantly opposing the filibuster telling the "wall street journal" a place that's broken not working. i don't think the solution is get rid of the rule. the current batch of senate republicans have shown in interest in compromise. just take, for example, the for the people act. a bill expanding voting rights, reduce influence of money in politics and limit gerrymandering. a taste of what republicans think of the bill. >> this is the biggest power grab since i've been in congress. it will take away every state's ability to run free and fair elections. >> it is a profoundly dangerous bill. >> everything about this bill is rotten to the core. this is a bill as if written in hell by the devil limbs. himself. >> we reached out and asked them to provide us with a list of the ten republican whose will vote for an infrastructure bill or a voting rights bill, anything. and got no response. also invited both senators to defend their positions on this show. t

and what joe manchin is very, very clearly saying now and i think it bears sort of a dwelling on it, john, he has said this many times before that his strong preference and perhaps his overwhelming preference is that they work with republicans, that they make concessions to the other side in order to get things done across the aisle. and there remains, needless to say, an enormous skepticism that that's a viable strategy. >> to point out, alex, this is not the first time we've heard this from joe manchin, right? what's behind this, do you know, the decision to put this out there in this op-ed? what is that changing in terms of the message from joe manchin, if anything? >> there has clearly been, erica, accelerating momentum behind the idea, let's basically use reconciliation for everything. >> wink. >> everything we can conceivably call a budget adjacent, let's call it a reconciliation bill and ram it from there, whether it's d.c. statehood or certain immigration provisions, measures in the past that would not have been seen as natural fits for the budget process, and i think what ma

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renae runs with us on a john deere 1 series tractor. because out here, you can't fake a job well done. hear renae's story at deere.com jillian: west virginia senator joe manchin not backing down from his opposition to the infrastructure bill. lawrence: a blowup. >> senator manchin writing an op-ed that the nation should be alarmed at how the budget reconciliation process is being used bypassing the need for republican votes and already used for the covid relief package as president biden is signaling he might be willing to negotiate on the corporate tax hike. >> willing to listen to that, wide open but we've got to pay for this but i'm willing to negotiate. the best most rational way, the fairest way to pay for it. jillian: republicans argue infrastructure is only a fraction of the $2.2 trillion package. jillian: pete buttigieg argues racism physically bills into the infrastructure. >> pete buttigieg discussing the infrastructure package in interview that he did. there is racism, and and communities of color poor infrastructure. and >>

john? >> jeremy diamond, thank you. >>> joining us is a national politician for the "washington post" and mark palau toe is a senior reporter at the "washington post." when joe manchin says i simply do not believe budget reconciliation should replace regular order in the senate, it's a big deal. he's putting it in writing this morning as the infrastructure bill is all the talk in washington. how far is joe manchin willing to go here? is he willing, do you think, to stand in the way, to be the one who says no to the white house infrastructure plan? >> well, he's acting as if he is. it really raises the question whether the white house went through the proper process of the care and feeding of joe manchin. he says he's not doing this because he has a big ego. he says he's doing this because as you just reported he wanted to return to regular order. at the same time, these are people you're talking about, politicians. in the end, what does joe manchin concretely want? right now it doesn't look

we heard john kerry predict it will attract republican support. it's one thing to get republican voters on side but quite another thing to get republican lawmakers and never mind democrats from coal-rich states like joe manchin. >> it's it's more than the u.s. congress but let me start with the u.s. congress. you know, there is a pending major infrastructure bill that puts climate and clean energy at its corps. i think we do have a shot of adding some republicans to that. if we can't, there is something called the budget reconciliation process that we could actually pass legislation with only 50 democrats in the senate. i think we can get this through the u.s. house of representatives and if we have to, i think through budget reconciliation get it through the senate. >> let me jump in there. >> yes. >> there are stringent conditions on that. it being be for any legislation. we have already seen some attempts to do that, fail. do you enough in this would pass the characteristics you would need to qualify for reconciliation? >> i do, because it's la

that's why i think it's important in the house we do pass the john luis voting lewis act coming up in a few days. >> i wanted to address that. you don't have any support for this, zero and unified opposition and you have democrats, joe manchin opposing busting the filibuster to get this passed with democratic votes. in light of those two things, are these voting bills as a matter of fact in practicality dead? >> no. we just have to work a lot harder. in 2006, president george w. bush signed the reauthorization of the voting rights act with support of republicans and house and the senate. it can be done. republicans understand the value of the right to vote. we are in a very partisan. on capitol hill. we have to breakthrough that. i want to encourage senators who want to cling to the filibuster to consider at least a narrow interception for vote rights and civil rights legislation. we can't let the filibuster successfully block civil rights legislation in the 1960s, to do the same thing today. >> that's right. it was a powerful weapon during that time period. given your position on the