that's what we have in joe biden. david and his friends in the democratic party should be down on their knees thanking their stars that joe biden was the nominee. yes, i think what surprised all of us, maybe including biden himself, is that we all expected him to be a transitional president. he's turning into a transformational one. he's lowering our blood pressure, unlike trump who tried to raise it. he's become a healer in chief. and meanwhile, the thing he's done that surprised me is he's been able to animate progressives by what he's doing and disarming conservatives. they can't hate joe biden because he's such a likable guy, so low key, and on the policy side there's a lot that they're for, including the pandemic package, even though they didn't vote for it. >> david pluf, time for tough love. i know by now you've caught up with the carville interview and vox in which the writer writes this. wokeness is a problem he toll me, meaning carville, and we all know it. according to carville, democrats are in power for n

we should say the reason joe biden is doing this is because joe biden has just astonishingly good approval numbers right now. i have no idea the last -- i'm surprised how high they are not only on the covid response but general job approval and this -- all of these proposals are popular even taxish corporations on the wealthy to pay for infrastructure it's popular among republican voters and trump voters. in a moment of crisis at the beginning of his presidency, joe biden is making clear he's willing to go for broke because he believes this is popular and has a window to do this. where it will break down as peter eluded to is among his own party if he's trying to use a narrow process to get through a party line vote, i think that talking point for republicans later this year and as we get into an election year next year, look, joe biden never included us in any of these negotiations, he's just ran through and incredibly ambitious agenda items without taking proposals or seeking votes that's more powerful than this paying for all of this needed infrastructure with tax hikes is a non-starter

presidential opponents, joe biden. and he was trying to create an announcement of ashamed investigation that would vindicate donald trump in the 2016 election. that is the political side of it. what we are now seeing is that the southern district of new york is honing in on a financial side of this whole ordeal, which is to say that they are looking at whether or not giuliani received money from ukrainians to influence donald trump or the u.s. public. it does not have to be an actual government official in order to be a crime. but for ukrainian purposes that giuliani was paid to do that and he didn't register as a foreign agent, which is a crime. >> this is probably officially more and aside than a question, it is not meant to be snide, but go ahead and take a swing at it. has it occurred to anyone that if doj had not slow walked this under attorney general barr, as alleged, if they had pulled off this raid a year ago today, he would've been pardoned by his good friend donald trump in all likelihood. >> that is a very

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authorities say they helped giuliani dig for dirt on trump's political rivals including joe biden and for damaging information on hunter biden who had done business in ukraine. rudy's activity was also linked to events that led to trump's first impeachment. back with us tonight, daniel goldman, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. he also served as general counsel for the house intel committee during that first trump impeachment. counselor, a very basic question to start with. what does it mean that a federal judge approved and allowed a raid by the feds on rudy giuliani whose portrait still hangs at the southern district of new york because he ran the office? >> well, brian, there's a technical answer and there's a more figurative answer. the technical answer is that a judge found that there is probable cause to believe there was evidence of a crime in his apartment and his office. but the figurative answer as you just mentioned is much more significant. this is not only the former u.s. attorney of that office, but it was also the president's former l

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it is different for joe biden, talk about how the burden for the new president is different? >> because he takes a different tactic than donald trump did. this is a president who has put systemic racism as one of the top four priorities, behind the pandemic, and the recession, matt he is someone, we've seen him going in front of people and console the country. but people want to see things change. when you talk about gun control in this country, there is only so much other president can do, and that is something that we are new to -- but it is something to watch, as he does his executive actions, but is not something that he can do through reconciliation. when we're asking where does this fit in his list of priorities, it is not something that he could get done without republicans. he's trying to put pressure on republicans to do something there and when you talk about issues of policing, that is something that not just him, but also his department of justice says that they really want to fix and concentrate on but. how do you do that at a time when there is so many other iss

joe biden used similar wording. so the question to you, given your beat, why does the administration want to see now? what will they be willing to put their weight and name and heft behind? >> that's a key question. we have some inklings, but this has not been totally at the forefront of president biden's administration so? par he does want reforms to policing. the end of qualified immunity. the end of chokeholds. the end of known not -- a database where police misconduct is recorded, there is the george floyd justice and policing bill, that is making its way through congress. and on the one hand, president biden is somewhat limited to what he can do, that is not a legislative solution. on the other hand, he has the ability to help push what congress does and does not take up. how much to spell, it's how much to travel the country and sell it. how much to make remarks about this versus coronavirus, versus infrastructure. so you saw him, mention that this was again, just the beginning. that so much had to occur. he s

it is part of the crackic play book if we can simply enter joe biden. the naegs of wealthy investors, the money would be earmarked for child care. he needs the business community. business makes wall street go and a bare market's a problem. >> yeah. so there's a lot at play here. biden did run on these platforms. he was going to raise taxes the healthy and if you look at the public opinion polling, when you poll those specific provisions, on the infrastructure plan, the plan gets more people when you paid people that the politics to this. they look at this as a potential opportunity. they want to hammer away at biden hand accuse him and reclaim the mandl. whether -- i'm not prgsly there a groups like the chamber of congress mitten is playing for it. republicans are not going to sit by and not take advantage of it, you a sarg owe. the policing could define 20 in gentlemen, thej flchl now that you're in the podcast business, you know exactly how long 45 seconds is. will we sao any kind of infrastructure program about 20-21. i think right now you will. the

high on the agenda, selling joe biden's $2.2 trillion infrastructure package. the president tapped five of his new cabinet members, transportation secretary pete buttigieg, housing secretary marcia fudge, jennifer granholm at energy, gina raimondo at commerce, and marty walsh at labor to spread the word about the plan. >> these cabinet members will represent me in dealing with congress, engage the public in selling the plan, and help work out the details as we refine it and move forward. >> job creation, a big part of all of this as the economy emerges from a crater. over 700,000 americans filed for unemployment benefits this week, an increase over the past two weeks. tonight "the washington post" notes the biden effort to raise corporate taxes to finance this proposal may mean a bill with no republican support. quote, the early disagreements also raise the possibility the democrats may have little choice but to use special legislative maneuvering to advance their economic policy priorities. today with his usual gusto, the republican leader killed the possibili

it's different for joe biden. talk about how the burden for the new president is different. >> yeah, because he takes a completely different tactic than donald trump did, right? this a president who's put systemic racism as one of the top four priorities for his administration, and climate change. and we've seen him go in front of people and console the country, consoler in the chief aspect of the job he's much better at than donald trump, but people want to see things change. we talk about gun control in this country. there's only so much a president can do, and that's something i think we all knew, but it's something to watch as, you know, he does these executive actions. but it's not something you can do through reconciliation, right? and so when we're asking where does it fit in his list of priorities? it's not something he could get done without republicans. so trying to put pressure on republicans to do something there. and when you talk about issues like policing that is something not just him but also his

to the white house now where tomorrow joe biden will take his first major steps towards cushing gun violence. expecting to announce a series of executive actions on gun control following two recent deadly mass shootings in atlanta and boulder, colorado. rules to stop the proliferation of homemade ghost guns, weapons largely made at home without traceable serial numbers and expected to nominate the head of alcohol, tobacco and explosives. the white house says biden intends to still work with congress on the issue. >> he is going to continue to work with leaders in congress on moving forward the two background check bills that are moving their way through the house. to push forward an assault weapons ban. today the president fired back at republicans who are saying that the bill is too big and are objecting to the size of it. >> my republican friends, many say it is too big. fix what we have already got. we are america. we don't just fix for today. we build for tomorrow. billionaires made billions more during this period. where is the outrage there? not trying to punish anybody. dammit, i am s

she advised the office of then vice president joe biden on criminal justice and drug policy and a civil rights attorney who is a former president of the minneapolis chapter of the naacp and a scholar on racial justice. we believe that she was also the community member who alerted the police chief of the bystander video. tell me a bit about that exchange. >> yeah. on the evening of memorial day, i got a facebook tag from a woman who had lost her husband to police violence letting me know that police had killed someone. i reached on out to the chief. i asked him if minneapolis police had killed someone that evening. he said to his knowledge someone had died as a result of -- when they were being taken into custody. that is the extent of what he knew. i went back to social media, commented. then i said we need to see video of what happened. i called the chief and told him he needed to see the video immediately. >> what do you make of the police chief's testimony? it is unusual in a case like this. the police chief came out saying everything the prosecutor said in the opening statement a we

manchin, the second most powerful person in the country in politics after joe biden. he is the key vote and made it clear. filibuster removal is more of a fighting topic for people than short-term in the senate. maybe there will be misbehavior, a total blocking of everything, which i doubt and maybe a rethink. >> this is an interesting point that you make, mike. the last sentence in the sentence that i just read you from joe manchin said that it is time to usher in a new era of bipartisanship. he does not seem to be talking about the moment that we are living right now. >> that is true. i think he would like to see a throw back, you know. and he thinks that the filibuster might force it. we will see. >> what do you think? >> yeah. yeah. i think i do not see that bipartisanship. i do not see any willingness on the part of republicans to seriously engage with this administration ones it agenda and try to kind of, you know, meet in the middle. we have not seen that. but, the fact is that this is a 50/50 senate with the vice president breaking the tie. and joe manchin is

stacey abrams and joe biden were not on the same page on a boycott, a consequential and dramatic act with ripple down unintended consequences that are going to affect small business minority owners and people that they want to protect. that messaging was a mistake. corporations, why didn't they get involved before the bills were passed, why after? and look at republicans and brian kemp is sensing opening there, so feeling this is a good position to be in as someone trying to run for governor next year with a target on his back from donald trump. he's appealing to republicans in his state and some at any point voters who think this is wrong thing to do, to boycott -- boycott's effect in the end, like i said workers, that's a false choice and bad move. so taking advantage of the division within the democratic party. on the other hand, on the republican side, i don't think -- i think they're trying to roar very loudly, including governor abbott because this is the culture war of the moment and resonates so much with their voters, but i don't see republicans are going to carry through on

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but the caveat is that joe biden needs the wealthy, the wealthy tend to like their money, and he needs the business community, business makes wall street go, and bear markets, you know, that's a problem. >> yeah, there is a lot of play here here is that biden did run on these platforms, they weren't hidden, he was going to raise the taxes on the wealthy, on corporation. and he was elected for it. if you look at the public opinion polling, when you pull those specific provisions, it's unfortunate during, the plan gets more popular when you tell people that is going to be paid with a hike in corporate tax. it's possible that the politics are dramatically different than they were in 1984, for instance. that being said, if you talk to any republican around town, they look at this as a potential opportunity, they want to hammer away at biden, they want to accuse him and reclaim the mantle that he's going to scuffled the economic growth of the trump era he raises taxes, whether on corporation or individual earners. i'm not sure how successful it's going to be because they are distracted, but

you have become the biographer of the speaker of the house, talk about her role in helping joe biden with an agenda that is beyond ambitious. >> nancy pelosi, actually entered her last week and we talked about her relationship with joe biden. she has worked with and against is series of presidents, but i think she's closer to joe biden to any of his predecessors. she says that his long experience mean that they could speak and shorthand and she described him as a transformational president, and i think that is what we have seen so far in his first 94 days. i think that's what we are likely to hear him on the speech -- his first speech to congress next wednesday. you look at what he has proposed in the past two days on climate change, an incredibly ambitious, a breath taking ambition in terms of cutting emissions in the united states, and obviously bending like we haven't seen in an effort to really change some of the fundamentals about the u.s. economy. >> doctor patel, you've guess this question was coming to you, jonathan noted the biden administration debating whether july 4th wou

talk about her role in helping joe biden with an agenda that is beyond ambitious. >> yeah. nancy pelosi, i actually interviewed her last week and we talked about her relationship with joe biden. she is worked with a -- worked with and against a series of presidents but i think she's closer to joe biden than to any of his predecessors. she says the long experience on the hill means that they can speak in shorthand and she described him as a transformational president and i think that's what we have seen so far in his first 94 days and what we are likely to hear on the speech he is going to give to a joint session of congress next wednesday. you look at what he's proposed, proposed in the past two days on climate change and ambitious. breathtaking ambition to cut emissions in the united states and obviously bending like we haven't seen in an effort to change the fundamentals about the u.s. economy. >> dr. patel, you probably guessed this question was coming back to you. jonathan noted the biden administration debating whether july 4th would be a good time to publicly go ahead

biden, joe biden talking about guns today. and executive action. what did you sense about merrick garland and how things are going to go at the justice department from his first appearance? >> it was a great first public experience for merrick garland. i think it told us everything we need to know about the new attorney general. he was extremely measured. he talked about doing things like gathering data, running studies, trying to evaluate the problem. he said that they were going to propose draft legislation. what all of this says is that he understands the justice department has a lane, it can only do so much when it comes to gun regulation, only so much when it comes to gun control but at the end of the day it will be congress that will either take up the draft with legislation and run with it and pass a law, or not, in the meantime he feels his role, very measured, is to look at the problem, evaluate it, and make recommendations. there were no bombastic statements, this was not trump's justice department. there was nothing

had the law been in place prior to last november there is a question whether joe biden bide would have carried the state and whether there would have been a perdue/ossoff run off. this will be the standard that republican election officials think they need to meet in other states. every day they wasted time having to figure out should we respond to this or that. i think our democracy is at steak. this is not just republicans and democrats disagreeing. the entire enterprise now is i think under direct threat. >> the bright line about what corporations can do. mitch mcconnell said contributions to candidates are fine but talking up about it is not. >> i am not talking about political contributions. most contribute to both sides. they have political action committees. that is fine, legal, i support that. i am talking about taking a position on a highly incendiary issue like this and punishing a community or a state because you don't like a particular law that passed. i just think it is stupid. >> tim, what do you make of that? >> marginally better than what he said yesterday. none of this

the lie was that joe biden didn't win the election. that's totally bogus. then, at least in the case of the georgia bill, i think the merits of the bill -- there certainly some good things in it. it certainly was as bad as a lot of people thought. some of these corporations are finally standing up, i think, and taking kind of a moral stand. i just don't really trust that it's a sincere one. so it's really not a happy ending at this point. oint >> though i would argue and others would to. portions of the georgia bill, included but not limited to, restrictions on food and water. our street up out the window crazy. and we, i digress. both of these gentlemen have agreed to stay with. us we're going to fit in a quick break here. our guests have agreed to stay with us, at least that much. coming up, we'll ask matt to explain what he now calls the freak flag party. did you know that every single flush flings odors onto your soft surfaces? then they get release back into the air, so you smell them later. ew right? that's why febreze created small spaces. press firm

. >> susan, joe biden has been very vocal about objecting to the new georgia voting law as well as similar efforts in other states and there's hundreds of proposals in states across the country. today we saw a big move. major league baseball pulling its all-star game out of atlanta. put in to context if you can, how the issue of voting rights has moved in to the center, not just of the political, but the cultural conversation and you have to wonder if other states are going to take note? >> you know, i think we have seen, related to this is the trial going on in minneapolis, with the death of george floyd, we have seen a kind of racial reckoning in this country that is still going on. that involves not only law enforcement and police procedure. it involves thing-s like efforts to restrict access to the ballot box. so you had georgia pass that law. they are baying a price now. you have got the all-star game moving. you have threatened boycotts against big companies. and you see action in texas, which is the next big battleground for state laws to restrict voting with a lot of companies, i t

the lie was that joe biden stole the election. that's totally bogus. then, at least in the case of the georgia bill, i think the merits of the bill, there were certainly some good things in it, it certainly wasn't as bad as a lot of people thought, some of these corporations are finally standing up, i think, and taking kind of a moral stand. i just don't really trust that it's a sincere one. it's really not a happy ending at this point. >> i would argue, and others would, too, the georgia voting with restrictions on food and water are state up out the window crazy. anyway, i digress. both of these gentlemen have agreed to stay with us. we're going to fit in a quick break. our guests have agreed to stay with us at least that long. coming up, we'll ask matt to explain what he now calls the freak flag party. e freak flag party americans who experience occasional bloating, gas or abdominal discomfort? taking align can help. align contains a quality probiotic to naturally help soothe digestive upsets 24/7. try align, the pros in digestive health. and join t

if this law had been in place prayer to last november, i think there's a real question whether joe biden would have carried the state he legitimately won and whether there would have been a runoff. this isn't just about georgia. this is now going to be the standard that republican elected officials think they have to note in other states. and so this is an existential moment. there are some things that have pretty bright lines and i think your democracy is at stake. this isn't just republicans and democrats disagreeing about how we register and how we vote. the entire enterprise now i think is under direct threat. >> tim, the bright line about what corporations can do, mitch mcconnell tried to draw that line today. he sort of said contributions to candidates or pacs you like are fine. talking up about it is not. let's listen to what he had to say. i'd love to get your comments on the other side. >> i'm not talking about political contributions. most of them contribute to both sides. they have political action committees. that's fine. it's legal. it's appropriate. i support that. i'm talk