hazen declined to talk to nbc news hca saying in part, "we value our colleagues and are committed to offering competitive compensation and benefits." and yet the great national divide between the income of those at the top and those at the bottom persists the heads of corporations like ge, starbucks and acuity brands received more than 1,000 times their average workers last year, with walgreen's then ceo earning over 500 times. none of those ceos agreed to speak with nbc news each company saying their practices align with their shareholders' interests and that the ceo will take a hit if their stock price falls. but since 1978 ceo compensation has risen over 1,000%. compared with only a 14% increase for average workers. in theory, ceos are handsomely paid to increase a company's value. >> the problem is not that somebody's getting paid a lot of money. the problem is they get paid whether they do well or whether they do badly. >> reporter: glenn kelman, the ceo of redfin, a real estate brokerage firm, is bucking the trend. under kelman's leadership redfin more than tripled in value to

. >> all right we don't we talk about the next one this is hca health care. in that case, you're voting with management what are the proxy issues that bear here? >> yeah, so what we're trying to do is call balls and strikes a little bit and to engage -- engage early before the vote takes place, frankly, so that you and others can highlight these issues and folks can -- folks can discuss them in the case of hca, there's a shareholder proposal that calls for them to better link compensation to health care outcomes in the hcadoes a terrific job. they run great hospitals we've spent a lot of time looking at their compensation plans. and we believe they do, amongst the best jobs of doing precisely that so, we think that while that proposal may be appropriate for some of their peers, it's not for hca. so, we're trying to call balls and strikes. and we think -- we think it would be a mistake to vote for that proposal. >> with kellogg, you're going to be voting for a shareholder proposal that goes against management as well what's your issue with kellogg >> well, our

perlin for the way that our front-line workers and hca helped you prepare for the vaccine rollout and the innovation and data insight that you and your leadership team are providing with so many patients. it's so clear. i am so grateful to everyone for alll the questions. we could spend another hour answering all the questions. i just appreciate the engaged in and we do live in the greatest country in the world so again personally thank you from me in my role at pepperdine university as well as the ca health care. resident that to you. >> thank you deanna. chairperson smith for your leadership in this evening together i'm reminded as i listened to mr. sub 20 talk about from the time they receivedy the formula, the dna o come up with an actual vaccine it takes me two days to do under a pile that come from learning what the virus was to creating a vaccine in just 42 days to create, to get it to production and then in 10 months and it wasn't just moderna it was you dr. hahn and your colleagues over the course of 10 months from the time we learned about it to the time it was going into pe