and i said no, my family is in lenore. even in the very beginning, i just connected with the women. that was where i really felt comfortable. but i did tell them, and i told my family, they couldn't discuss it. they couldn't tell anybody. and they did and for a long time. they just said he was in vietnam. they didn't know what he was doing. i mean, they knew, but they couldn't tell anybody else. >> my mother had already passed away when she was 40, so she wasn't around, and my dad was still struggling with that years later. so, i was back east when i found out, and i couldn't wait to get back to be with my own kind, i guess. it just made you feel much more comfortable. >> yeah, it wasn't just the p.o.w. wives. our neighbors -- i lived in a cul-de-sac with six homes. three of them were shot down, three of the men, so the wives, and even the men that were still here, they were so supportive. they just couldn't do enough for us. it was very kind of them. >> we have a question right here. >> just for the record, long before missus stockdale started the ladies, there was an attempt to ge