why isn't the media interested in the lois lerner? >> well, i think as long as she continues to plead the fifth. they don't really see new news being out there. i think people have bought in a little bit to the whole idea there is a phony scandal. if it's a phony scandal why won't she testify? the question is why republicans might want to consider giving her immunity so that they can get the full story out there. if they're not getting anything right now they might want to consider that. >> what happened yesterday is you had congressman issa very frustrated and upset that he actually went on "fox news sunday" and broke some news. she would not plead the fifth she would answer questions and ended up pleading the fifth anyway. frustrated. whether or not he had the right to do that that distracted things and turned congressman cummings into a victim and it would have been much better off to let him spout off, whatever. he could have made himself look like a fool. >> i was stunned with the emails they did present her with. one was dated o

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because that will either exonerate or convict, essentially, lois lerner. >> mr. cummings is there with the president on not a sminlion of evidence. as a matter of fact, our evidence leads to lois lerner. and that's why we'd hoped to hear from her. if the ranking member had wanted to make a motion before i had adjourned i would have accepted. i adjourned. he then said he had a question. what you played there was after an adjournment. he then perked up and said i want to ask a question. i said what is your question. and then that exchange occurred because he didn't have a question. he was endlessly slandering the efforts of the committee. but having said that, we want to get to the truth. if the attorney had a proffer, which, as you know, would be tell us, don't tell us your client's innocent, tell us what we need to know. and he's never offered to do that. we've offered with his attorney, to be quite frank, his attorney in writing had supported the idea that she would testify under certain conditions. as we began rolling out an a little bit about what we intended

>> that's why they are still poo pushing to hold lois lerner in contempt of congress to bring her back in and fill in some of those gaps that we likely won't find out even if the irs does release that full sweep of documents. >> do you see chairman issa giving up at all. >> no, absolutely not. i think he is as frustrated as ever. partly because, as you mentioned, these emails and these documents are going to chairman camp. why haven't they been sent to chairman issa? i think that's created a little bit of a conflict between the two. and he will keep pursuing as much as he can to also kind of achieve a win on this issue. >> see, i see it as an end run of issa by doing it voluntarily to camp. you don't don't, byron. >> it could be. this is a congressional angle we are seeing. there is also actually a judicial angle here that if congress had all of this really great evidence, if they got all of this great evidence, what would they do with it? they would give it to the justice department to actually do any sort of prosecuting based on it now, as the department department has shown zero int

republicans demanding the irs turn over emails from lois lerner and others in the irs targeting scandal. >> we do count documents clearly responsive to a subpoena. clearly not delivered. >> when we say all, we want every single email in the time period in the subpoena that was sent to you, plain and simple. >> we have never said the fact that you didn't give you some he you don't get rest of us. >> are you going to provide the rest of the emails as indicated in this subpoena? yes or no. >> we he have never said. >> i'm asking you yes or no. >> we are going to respond to the subpoena. >> sir,. >> yes we are going to respond to the subpoena. we simply said we need to provide it to you in an order that's useful for you. >> whether you have people in positions of authority of responsibility that are are expressing overtly political commentary on government email, i think we ought to be entitled to all of them. that's why we ask for it. >> now representative trey gowdy joins us. nice to see you sir. >> yes, ma'am. >> have these emails of lois lerner been speend. >> yes, ma'am. >> how long ag

it's a pretty tough report on lois lerner. i would not want to be lois lerner having to answer these allegations. i think it explains to a certain extent why she has decided not to answer these allegations. >> what i don't get they want her to come back and testify. i would still force the irs to turn over all the documents. and with the house ways and means committee got is they didn't get all the documents. the irs is deciding what to give them. they cut a deal. and basically i think they got hood winked by the irs. they shund command all of them. and the irs should not be saying can you have this but not this. >> more emails that we are supposed to see. >> not supposed to do that. >> they say they are going it turn over more emails to ways and means. >> you don't have a choice with a subpoena. have you got to turn it over. for some reason the congress has just rolled over on that. >> and when they do turn things over, often it's missing information and it's heavily redacted. and that's been part of the frustration for both

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tomorrow lois lerner is expected to appear at oversight committee hearing. darrell issa expected learn tore testify. "on the record" will be there. thank you for being with us. good night from washington. >>> the o'reilly factor is onment tonight. >> continuing down this path of violating of sovereignty of another country will have costs and consequences. >> but now there are reports the british government and other european countries will not punish putin for invading ukraine. what should president obama do if europe once again acts in cowardly way. charles krauthammer on that. >> it'sing if to be run by bureaucrats and run by politicians who have no idea what is in your best interest then i'm getting out. >> how many doctors are going to opt out of obamacare. we have the number and it is shocking. extensive report tonight let's do this.