you saw lois lerner. she walked in this morning. there was hope she would answer the questions that exist out there, like what did she know and when did she know it. what do you read, what do you pray for? the president was initially very uncomfortable what he learned that happened at the irs and said he wanted to get to the bottom of this. e lielijah cummings is speaking. up know we are up against a break. >> we interviewed 38irs employees. hundreds of thousands of pages of documents from irs have been reviewed. $14 million plus and counting in man hours have bee been expended with regard to this investigation into the irs, and still there has not been any evidence whatsoever that there was political motivation in regard to this targeting. in regard to these efforts. martha: i'm trying to give equal time to both of these gentlemen. we'll be back with more. ok, here's the way the system works. let's say you pay your guy around 2 percent to manage your money. that's not much, you think except it's 2 rcent every year. does that make a

we want to hear from lois lerner. bill: darrell issa told chris wallace, the evidence we gathered is in her best interest to come and testify. characterize that evidence and would you say for lack of a better phrase from a different story at a different time, a slam dunk? >> the silver lining for this 9 months of delay is it allowed our investigators to get into the cincinnati office where they said all the problems were and talk to a host of people and gather additional information. our questions will be much more in-depth ann with a lot more testified to back it up than it was months ago. if lois lerner thinks she did herself any favors by waiting 9 months, we'll have much more probing answers. next week it's going to happen. bill: jason chaffetz, thank you for your time. martha: as russia invades ukraine the secretary of state heads to ukraine. bill: also a dinner some folks will never forget. ♪ [ male announcer ] evenore impressive than the research this man has at his disposal is how he puts it to work for his

no sign of lois lerner by the way who has pled the fifth. the white house is extending the deadline for signing up for obamacare again. this is the 36 delay we have seen. this one allows people who are supposedly in the process of signing up to check a box and say i need a couple more weeks and they will get into the mid-april or that is the date so far. but health and human service secretary kathleen sebelius told congress this wouldn't happen. >> are you going to delay the mandate that individuals have to buy government health care or approve a tax? >> no, sir. >> are you going delay the open enrollment beyond march 31? >> no, sir. >> allan colbs and michael graham is here. you didn't think this was a big deal? >> i think people will try to use this as a peg in the demise, but as more time goes on more people are signing up and polls are showing they like what they have when they get it. >> during it debt ceiling fight republicans said let's delay this for a year. and democrats said absolutely not. you cruel republicans how could you deny

we want e-mails to and from lois lerner. now, bill, the issue becomes some of the information swapped on e-mail is confidential by statute. like your taxpayer information, they could not send us by statute without redacting it. so i'm fine setting that category aside. send me the e-mails to and from lois lerner that don't involve confidential tack payer information. start with that. >> here is the commissioner when he was asked -- >> at the rate we're going as noted by an earlier question, if you want all the categories of all the applications of everybody who's been through the c4 process for the last four years, we can do that and we will do that, but it's going to take years. bill: years? >> well, and, again, he's not reading the subpoena. if you send us four years' worth of confidential taxpayer information and you have to carefully redact all of the information, that may take a while. look, bill, you and i have previously discussed e-mails that lois lerner has sent and received that have nothing to do with private taxpa

issa may pursue contempt charges against lois lerner. bill: does the story go back to the central character, lois lerner? does this story fade? >> i think the issa controversy will fade because he has apologized. but then what will the house do? i think the focus will be on lerner. issa is in his last year as commute he chairman. he has to get something new out of this to get this going but lerner is not talking. that's why we may see contempt charges. bill: others would disagree with that characterization. does this get in the way of issa's pursuit in any way? he's the chairman of the committee. >> this is a delay and distraction, but that doesn't mean he's not going to pursue this. there is real tension between issa and lerner and her attorney. that's the next story. it looks like john boehner supports holding her in contempt. i think that will be the next story in the next month or so. watch. >> the hearing was a continuation of a previous hearing. and the issue is oure -- is ourt to get to the truth of the irs and groups around the c

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who is next after lois lerner? >> we have been taking depositions that are calculated to get us evidence. we have been doing depositions. and that's my preferred way to do it. i think we are building a pretty good case and i think you will see that tomorrow or a week from tomorrow. bill: this was one of the exchanges of the many we have our hand on now between her attorney william taylor and some of the investigators on your committee. i can tell you we can probably move forward if the committee agrees her appearance at a deposition would satisfy any obligation she has to provide information in this investigation. for her to take the risk inherent in waiver of her amendment privilege she would need assurance she is resolving her issues with the committee. that is legalese. put that in english. >> that means we'll testify in private but not public. they are offering to do a private deposition which in some ways would be good for us as opposed to a public hearing and our response is guess what? we are going to do bot

bill: could lois lerner's next public appearance be before a judge invoking her fifth amendment right we repeatedly. >> my counsel advised me i have note waived my constitutional rights under the fifth amendment and under his advice i will decline to answer any questions in this hearing. on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. on the advice of my counsel i respectfully exercise my fifth amendment right and refuse to answer that question. bill: trey gowdy is here. i know you expected her to talk. i know around former federal prosecutor. you said you did that for 1 years. trust me -- i did that for 16 years, trust me we can get her to talk. >> she needs to have a conversation with her attorney and make him realize he's not the star. she needs to come in under a unr a proffer. 's in a quasi criminal investigation you don't want to be the last one to come to the party. but to ask for immunity is absurd. bill: darrell issa suggested last night on fox you reached a dead end. >> last time i talked to you i was equally

lerner's involvement in the targeting of conservatives. remember, she wouldn't answer any questions last week. we will dig through the report. >> a corruption trial is wrapping up from the big-time democratic donor is accused of chanling more than $6,000 for a campaign for hilary clinton during the previous election. tell us about the guilty plea, doug. >> jeffrey thompson is his name and he admitted to handing out over $608,000 to pay for campai campaign services in support of political candidates for the united states. they are talking about hilary clinton here. he has agreed to cooperate >> we will enter a new phase that seeks to hold those accountable that tried to hide things from the public >> he diverted the money along with troy white. the announcement by the united states said quote there is no indication the presidential candidate was personal aware of thompson's elicit activities. >> and are others associated with this? >> the governor of virginia was involved in this but he hasn't been implemented. other donations went to heral