it is not about defending lois lerner. this is about making sure that we are told the constitution of the united states of america -- uphold the constitution of america. people have rights thaupd constitution. chairman issa has that right. i have rights. every single citizen in our country has rights. that's what we have been trying to do. period. >> just one more time to reiterate, have you as a ranking member on the house oversight committee seen any evidence that the white house had any contact with lois lerner before the irs began scrutinizing 501-c groups? >> absolutely not. chairman issa knows that. he has called 38 witnesses and interviewed. every one of those witnesses has made it clear the white house was not involved in this and that there is month political motivation. >> all right. thank you, congressman cummings. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> all right. john boehner said again and again he wants immigration reform. but it is not hard to read between the lines and see that's not the case. why this is setting

darrell issa wants to have the this contempt vote regarding lois lerner. what's interesting is after talking with folks on the committee, lois lerner, what happens given more time, perhaps a week, was essentially to testify if granted immunity and if darrell issa does, in fact, believe this is a wide-scale fraudulent operation being run at the irs directly tied to the white house going after these republican-leaning groups, then why not offer someone like lois lerner, who's a low-level employee, this immunity and go all the way to the white house and get them? but the fact of the matter is this has taken on a very political tone, it's something that feeds the base, the red meat that they have like sod much, and they're going to move forward on this contempt vote more likely than not, possibly as early as two weeks. and boehner, interestingly enough, alex, he sort of put the brakes on this when darrell issa had that exchange with elijah cummings a few weeks back, realizing the optics were not so good. since that cooled down a bit, the optics are better and

lois lerner, former irs director, who's been the target of a number of hearings, continued to plead the fifth today, days after issuing an apology for the scandal. >> my counsel has advised me i have not waived my constitutional rights under the fifth amendment and on his advice, i will decline to answer any question on the subject matter of this hearing. >> so you're not going to tell us who wanted to fix the problem caused by citizens united? >> on the advice of my counsel, i exercise my fifth amendment right and decline to answer that question. >> things exploded after that. chairman issa adjourned the hearing less than 15 minutes after it started, before congressman cummings had a chance to ask a question, leading to what you're about to see. take a look. >> i'm going to -- let me say what i have to say. i've listened to you for the last 15 or 20 minutes. let me say what i have to say. i have one procedural -- >> ms. lerner, you're released. >> first, i would like to use my time to make some brief points. for the past year, the central republican accusation -- >> we're adjourned. cl

lerner. >> lois lerner is an individual, we're asking for all of her e-mail. we haven't received all of lois lerner'ser, e-mails, one of the things we asked for. you could have given ways and means all of lerner's e-mails in a matter of seconds. all of lois lerner's e-mails is the highest current priority of this committee and will remain so as long as i'm chairman. >> do you think darrell issa wants all of lois lerner's emails? he can have all of her emails. >> we are providing you lois lerner's e-mails with regard to issues you raised. we're working hard to get you the lois lerner e-mails. what they want is something that will take years to produce. >> years? but what are years to darrell issa? after all, his investigation into benghazi has dragged on for some 17 months. it's led nowhere and yet it is still happening. yesterday 17 democrats on the house oversight committee sent a letter to congressman issa urging him to drop the issue. "we believe it is time to end these seemingly endless and unsubstantiated political attacks," his colleagues wrote. this let

they reiterated a point to me that lois lerner was ready to testify if given one more week to prepare a written statement and testimony. darrell issa didn't want to do that because a lot of folks on the democratic side, and even some aides privately, would like issa would like to have this contempt vote play out in congress. that's not going to happen this week. next week they're in recess. it could possibly happen in committee two weeks from now and then go to the house floor. john boehner put the brakes on darrell issa and his committee a little bit after this blow-up with elijah cummings. but now with elijah cummings and democrats have this legal information, which republicans right now are dismissing and calling it -- or a spokesman for issa is calling it flawed, it gives them some ammunition to go back. and if nothing else, lawrence, what this lapse will end up being is a legal question, if the house holds lois lerner in con emt to, it then goes to a federal judge and the house democrats will say is it really worth this amount of millions of taxpayer dollars to go through a parli

lois lerner, the former irs official, pleaded the fifth again. the committee chair, darrell issa, in this oversight committee hearing, dismissed the room without letting the ranking democrat, elijah cummings, ask his questions. cummings basically said, i want to have my say. later, both lawmakers took questions from reporters. here's darrell issa. >> mr. cummings said that he had questions to ask, instead he began making an opening statement, even after the committee had been adjourned, therefore, the committee stands adjourned. yes, sir? >> mr. chairman, how much of this is a political play for the republicans in the election? >> none, not a shred of it. >> all right, then just seconds ago, literally, this is what elijah cummings had to say. >> no, i have not. what we have done, and i applaud my members of my committee, i'm very proud of them, they've come here seeking the truth. we really do -- and i've said this many times, it is very important for us to make sure that government operates properly and operates effectively and efficiently, and

issa asked lois lerner a few questions. she invoked the fifth amendment and as stan brand said, he never gave her a direct order to answer, and he never then overruled her objection to that order which the supreme court has said is necessary. that's the necessary sequence in order to proceed to a contempt of congress case against such a witness. today, mr. boehner's office of general council of the house of representatives finally replied to the democrats and stan brand's insistence that chairman issa violated the necessary procedures for establishing a contempt of congress case. the republican council to the republican house not surprisingly said today that a contempt of congress case against lois lerner is still technically viable. so who's right? john boehner's council to the house of representatives or tip o'neill's former council to the house of representatives stan brand? i'm going with stan brand. >> the case is made clear. he's got to overrule her objection in an explicit way and give her the opportunity to comply o

lois lerner appearing before them. we understand she is again pleading the fifth. let's take a listen to a little bit of the hearing. this relates to the irs targeting scandal. take a listen. >> -- the president's political -- effectively and lied about it during the election year in the polls. he continued this on such -- if you will sit down and allow me to ask a question, i am a member of a congress of the united states of america. i am tired of it! we have never -- each who represents 700,000 people. you cannot just have a one-sided investigation. there is absolutely something wrong with that, and it's absolutely un-american. >> hear, hear. >> we had a hearing. it's adjourned. i gave you the opportunity to ask a question. >> i do have a question. >> i gave you an opportunity to -- >> chairman, what are you hiding? >> he's taking the fifth, elijah. >> he continued this on sunday when he appeared on fox news to discuss a republican staff report claiming that ms. lerner was -- >> and that's congressman elijah cummings becoming heated there at the irs hearing at th

darrell issa committed an error that will prevent holding lois lerner in contempt. >> before a witness can be held in content, they have to be given a clear-cut choice between compliance and noncompliance. they never gave her a direct order and overruled her objection. they simply adjourned the hearing and moved on. >> today, house democrats introduced another privileged resolution demanding darrell issa apologize on the house floor for his behavior last week when he adjourned the meeting without letting anyone else speak and cutting the microphone of elijah cummings. here is why the democrats are demanding an apology. >> i have no expectation that miss lerner will cooperate with this committee. >> chairman, chairman, i have a statement. i have a procedural statement, mr. chairman. mr. chairman, i have a procedural question. mr. chairman, you cannot run a committee like this. you just cannot do this. this is we're better than that as a country. we're better than that as a country. i have asked for a few minutes to ask a procedural -- >> the fact a is that i am asking a question. >> you

asking what is the crime lois lerner committed? instead, we're focused on the fact that darrell issa, who had every right as chairman to adjourn the meeting. he decided not to give his opening statement and decided to give his opening statement out of order. there are rules in the committee. elijah cummings has been there long enough to understand the rules of the committee. he broke the rules. i thought chairman aissa went ot of his way. he didn't want to answer, he wanted to pontificate and is now using this as a way to distract from the real issue, which is what is lois lerner covering up and what crime did she commit? >> let me correct one thing, first, for tyler. invoking the fifth amendment gives no presumption of any guilt on any level. that's what the right against self incrimination really is. i want to sort of correct you on that. and on the other side of this, saying that elijah cummings did not have the right to say exactly what he wanted to say, he didn't have to ask a question, didn't have to say something that maybe

the irs has, in fact, turned over every one of the lois lerner e-mails in this case. they have turned over 500,000 pages of documents from the irs to congress. there are 150 people working full time at the irs, not examining people's tax returns anymore, not trying to increase the revenue available to the treasury at the irs, through the irs, but 150 people working full time just to provide documents to darrell issa and these kinds of subpoenas. >> that's true, but i think we have to back up. this is not an honest inquiry. this is a star chamber operation. this is cherry picking information, deliberately co-leco co-lewding with a republican idea in the irs to make sure the investigation is solely about tea party and conservative groups even though we know it included progressive titles as well as conservative titles and that they were equally stringent. it was a foolish thing to do. and it's wrong, but it was not just targeted at conservatives. darrell issa wants to make sure that information does not get out. and it's been a very shameful thing under the sham of an i

finally he'd get irs official lois learner to testify under oath -- lois lerner to testify under oath about the irs controversy and would link it directly to the white house. >> you understand you have late-breaking news. >> we do. her attorney indicates that she will testify. it's been a back-and-forth negotiation. frankly, we believe that the evidence we've gathered causes her in her best interest to be someone who should testify. >> let me make sheer, lois lerner, former irs official who took the fifth last may, will testify before your committee? >> wow. that's huge news. it turns out it was also news to lerner's attorney who immediately told "politico" that issa was wrong. and issa was wrong. spleeded the fifth. but then issa once again denieded that this hearing isn't about politics. >> how much of this is a political position -- >> none. not a decision of it. not a smidgeon of it. >> really, not about politics? huh. did anyone ask the ranking democrat about that? yes, it turns out someone did. >> the question, is this a bipartisan hearing? not one member of the democratic side

when lois lerner pled the fifth, chairman issa adjourned the hearing before cummings had a chance to ask a question he wanted to ask. cut off the mike. it was a brutal personal exchange. take a listen. >> i'm -- no, let me say what i have to say. i have listened to you for the last 15 or 20 minutes. let me say what i have to say. i have one -- >> ms. lerner, you are released. >> first, i would like to use my time to make brief points. for the past year, the central republican accusation in this investigation -- >> we're adjourned. close it down. >> before our -- >> thank you. >> all right, everybody behaving like adults as usual on the hill. a frustrated congressman cummings continued to speak even after his mike was cut off. take a listen. >> if you will sit down and allow me to ask a question, i am a member of the congress of the united states of america. i am tired of this. we have members over here, each who represent 700,000 people. you cannot just have a one-sided investigation. there is absolutely something wrong with that and it's absolutely un-american. >> you know, just civ

chairman issa brought lois lerner into the committee room. he had promised the weekend previous on "fox news sunday" we're going to have her back, i'm breaking news now, she's going to answer some questions. she pled the fifth again. darrell issa asked her a bunch of questions. at no point, am i correct, correct me if i'm wrong, did the ranking member get to say anything? >> not only did he not get to speak, but once he was asked for permission under house rule 11 to get his five minutes, as every member of the committee is entitled to, the chairman, mr. issa, initially refused and then did yield him the microphone and allowed him to begin his comment or question and because he didn't like what he was saying, stood over him and turned the mike off, silencing his ability to continue his inquiry, and in fact, what the ranking member was trying to do was to bring forward the fact that lois lerner's attorney had offered to serve as a proffer which would allow some of that testimony to be entered into the public record because ultimately what this

it, when i look at this lois lerner, irs babe, i see someone mean, vindictive, unhappy, vengeful. the woman just encapsulates all of that just in her facial expression. that's funny, because you know who i think of as encapsulating the face of miserable, mean, vindicti vindictive, and vengeful politics? darrell issa. >>> after the break, congressman keith ellison weighs in on the progressive playbook and president obama's efforts to curb income inequality. that's coming up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ female announcer ] with five perfectly sweetened whole grains... you can't help but see the good. hey kevin...still eating chalk for hearburn? yea. try alka seltzer fruit chews. they work fast on heart burn and taste awesome. these are good. told ya! i'm feeling better already. alka-seltzer fruit chews. enjoy the relief! ameriprise asked people a simple question: can you keep your lifestyle in retirement? i don't want to think about the alternative. i don't even know how to answer that. i mean, no one knows how long their money is going to last. i try not to worry, but you worry. what happens

you had lois lerner come out and essentially apologize as well. and there were some indications early on that she would actually cooperate in this hearing. i think that's why you saw representative issa get so sort of frustrated on his end because i think he was expecting that she wouldn't plead the fifth. she, of course, did. she did that in previous hearings. but possibly, there could be something there, but i think what we know is there, that this works, as casey said, to very much gin up the base. you have that straight line from benghazi to irs to whatever else you want to hang on this president and sort of suggest that he's corrupt or he doesn't know what to do in terms of direction of the country. >> again, back to casey. the same question. i guess, if you had to write the history of this whole investigation of the irs, has it been leading toward a reasonable claim that there was white house involvement in targeting conservative groups for punishment, basically? >> i think you have seen the evidence grow, that there was a serious problem. i

they've got to have hearings even though lois lerner wasn't going to testify. keep it alive through november. >> yes. they don't want this to fade away. congressman cummings is right. if you look at some of the testimony that he's released, it shows that there was no specific targeting only of tea party groups. which is the essence of the republican charge. and that it was connected to the white house. that is totally evaporated. so what do you do? you bring on so forward in a soviet style show trial company who you know is going to plead the fifth. you just ask these questions. isn't it true this, isn't it true that, knowing they will not answer. rather than bring forward people who might tell you what happened. what happened at the irs as you know was a problem. there is something to investigate. it's not a political witch hunt, but something went wrong. but they don't want to do that. so the idea is just keep bringing up -- >> what went wrong? >> what went wrong was they were targeting groups on the left and right on the middle -- >> but no direction from th

the real tragedy here is that lois lerner wanted to testify. she wanted another week to prepare, and he was unwilling to give her that week. so she plead the fifth as she has the right to do. so and then he gavelled the committee hearing to a close without giving the other side, the democrats on the committee the opportunity to have opening statements and to pose questions as well. this is a democracy. and unless we're moving into russia and putin, i think we better get back to reality and do the right thing here. >> you said that he doesn't want to keep seeing that picture. does that mean that if he doesn't apologize, the democrats are going to stay on it? this is not just a one-time show piece that we saw this evening at the house? >> well, that's above my pay grade in the house. but i'm certain that the leadership recognizes that we cannot allow this kind of conduct to continue to be acceptable in the house of representatives. we both have to act with decorum, and we've got to respect each other and allow the parties on each side of the aisl

and a shameful episode. >> as you know, house speaker john boehner has said that lois lerner should be held in contempt. darrell issa says he's looking into that possibility. should she be held in contempt? >> no, of course not. she's invoked her constitutionally privileged -- protection, the fifth amendment. the fifth amendment was one of the most important amendments enshrined in the bill of rights. a lot of the founders wouldn't support it without the bill of rights and some cited the fifth amendment among the most important, because they had lived through star chambers under the british, saw people entrapped, and they wanted to protect against it. it's a very important privilege. it does not imply criminality or illegal behavior of any kind, and they want to strip her unilaterally of her fifth amendment protection. i believe the court cases going all the way back to the mccarthy era are very clear that she's entitled to that protection. now, elijah cummings and the democrats wanted to be heard on the subject yesterday. and instead, the republicans were so afraid of a dissenting poi

yesterday, of course, issa staged an effort to berate former irs official lois lerner. and when elijah cummings, the ranking democrat on the committee tried to speak, issa cut off his microphone. >> i have a question. if you will sit down and allow me to ask a question, i am a member of the congress of the united states of america. i am tired of this. >> well -- >> we have -- you represent 700,000 people. you cannot just have a one-sided investigation. it is absolutely something wrong with that, and there it's absolutely unamerican. >> hear hear. >> we had a hearing that is adjourned. i gave you an opportunity to ask you question. >> i do have a question. >> i gave you -- >> senator, what are you hiding? >> wow. what reminded me of this famous exchange over a microphone back in 1980 when then presidential candidate ronald reagan was involved. >> will the sound man please turn reagan's mic off? >> you turn my microphone -- >> i am have paid for this microphone. >> but the spectacle in congress yesterday did not sit well with members of the congressional black caucus. tod

lois lerner lost her job. heads rolled as they should have. but unfortunately the republicans on that committee continue to try to use politics to bludgeon the administration and silence any debate or opposition because they continue to bare hug obstructionism. >> it was a distressing day for democracy. congresswoman, thank you for your time. >> nathan, alex. >>> joining me now, big john stan stanton. big john, let's first talk about darrell issa. does he pay any kind of price among the electorate? i cannot imagine members of the republican caucus look at that tape and say, yes, that is the guy we want leading the charge. >> first of all, it's fascinating to watch darrell issa and elijah cummings operate together because they don't like each other. and you would think darrell issa should have seen this coming, that doing this hearing was going to set off cummings and he was really going to tear into him. and it definitely was a botched handling of this. leadership is not probably going to be all that pleased, although frankly, amongst republic

lois lerner took the fifth when initial called last summer and she was thought to be planning the same thing this time around but e-mails from her lawyer relieved by the house oversight committee suggests she might talk behind closed doors. >>> texas congressman ralph hall is by no means a spring chicken at 90 years old. he is the oldest member of congress and he, my friends, running for an 18th term. in a new'd he is promoting his age and wrinkles because as he puts it, when you battle nancy pelosi you're bound to get a few. >> see this one? taken on the liberals when they attacked their second amendment right. these when we fought them on obamacare. i've never voted for a tax increase and i won't raise the debt ceiling ever. >>> secretary of state john kerry made a detour on his way to ukraine. he stopped in new york to meet his granddaughter. no word on a name for the baby girl. that is your scrambled politics. >>> joining me is ellis. so nice for you to take a break from mardi gras celebrations to join us! >> i just want you to know, i'm stone cold sober at this hour, betty. do not

if we got lois lerner in front of the cameras again to plead the fifth. that would be a great piece of tape they could lead off with tonight. there's no point necessarily in a woman who's already come before you and pled the fifth being brought in to plead the fifth again. >> well, it's more than that. i mean, there was a report that came out last month that suggested that issa's pressure on the irs, this back and forth that he's had, 15 hearings, i believe, has cost something in the range of $14 million? it has cost roughly 100,000 hours of time, forced the production of 500,000 documents. i mean, this is an incredible inquiry, and what has it turned up? i mean, where have we ended up? you summed it up in your intro there. we're pretty much not there. >> let me play devil's advocate for a second and say, you know, look, we're liberals and this is the republican chair of an oversight committee that is investigating a democratic president. so, of course, we think it's partisan witch hunt. we're disposed to look askew. i mean, convince me what issa is doing

chairman of the house oversight committee darrell issa grilled lois lerner for 11 straight minutes. >> she is the one who -- >> she is still back there getting grilled. >> she wasn't fired by obama like chris christie. >> that is the allegation now. >> for each question asked, lerner pleaded the fifth. refusing to unraveled. >> i have no expectation that miss lerner will cooperate with this committee and therefore i move to adjourn. >> i have a procedural question, mr. chairman. you cannot run a committee like this, mr. chairman, you just cannot do this. we are better than that as a country. we are better than that as a committee. may i ask my question? may i state my statement? >> you're all free to leave. we are adjourned but the jamais ask his question. >> thank you very much. mr. chairman, i have one procedural question and it goes to trying to help you get the information by the way that you just asked. >> what is your question? >> no. let me say what i have to say. i've listened to you for the last 15 or 20 minutes. let me say what i have to say. >> miss lerner, you are relieved

chairman issa cut his microphone just after lois lerner took the fifth. >> for the past year the central republican accusation in this investigation -- >> we're adjourned. close it down. >> minute cal -- directing -- the white house. before our -- >> not a single document. >> thank you. -- one witness, chairman issa -- and this way of the president's political effectively and lying about it during the election year in the polls. >> mr. cummings -- we're adjourned. >> if you will sit down and allow me to ask the question, i am a member of the congress of the united states of america. i am tired they have! >>> i want to bring angela rye, and republican strategist george watkins. obviously you both have a strategic bent, but angela, how do you think this looks to the average american. >> it likes scary. i worked on the hill six years, and i've never seen behavior like that in my life. i think it's very unfortunate. forget the politics on this. just on the human decency level that's not behavior you would expect from a chairman of the full committee. the ranking member, even though they're a

cummings started off, you know, when lois lerner first came to testify in congress, and when it was russell george who showed up last year with his detailed report about unfair targeting of certain political groups, mr. cummings was outraged and he expressed his outrage vow sieverously, and he was ready to reign down hellfire on whoever was doing this at the irs. >> that's an excellent point, a lot of people, we on this network, i remember doing the show that night, the initial indications were something truly, truly screwed up happened there, the question was how far up it went. i want to play elijah cummings talking about the extent of investigations that have already happened. take a listen. >> we have now interviewed 38 irs employees, hundreds of thousands of pages of documents from the irs have been reviewed. $14 million plus and counting in man-hours have been expended in addressing the various investigations with regard to the irs. >> people are going to look at the tape that we played at the top of the show, what happened in that committee and they're going to say, this is partisan

lerner said. she's specifically on record telling her people do not use political criteria, do not look at politics. he says the opposite to fox news. he treats fox news like it's a fourth branch of government to help him prosecute this case when there's no basis. and we know that, reverend al. >> congresswoman norton and joan walsh, thank you for your time tonight. >> always a pleasure. >>> ahead, what led to the eruption on capitol hill? when we come back, what's really behind darrell issa's witch hunt? the long years of scaring. >>> and if at first you don't succeed, try 50 times. holding a 50th vote to repeal obamacare. and we're celebrating "politicsnation" style. >>> plus, fair or crazy? a new jersey teen sues her parents for college tuition money. tonight you be the judge. >>> and the must see clip of the night, jon stewart responds to the fox news food stamp obsession. stay with us. let's say you pay your guy around 2 percent to manage your money. that's not much, you think except it's 2 p

lois lerner. >> i'm not sure this move will change house speaker john boehner, but you have to look at the politics. as you and i were discussing about this yesterday, if you are arguing this isn't political, this is a legitimate investigation, cutting off the the democrats on the committee isn't a good way to dispel a lot of those concerns and that kind of speculation. you know, also at c pac today i was hearing from paul ryan if we're in the majority we need robust debate, and again cutting off the mike of the ranking member, whether you're a democrat object republican doesn't further something like that. >> also on this letter, congresswoman fudge and the cbc is calling for boehner to take action. they're saying that issa also needs to publicly apologize for this as well. so thank you, mark, for reacting to a lot of developing and interesting news coming out of d.c. and around the area. thanks, mark. >> hey, thanks so much, tam rom. >>> from the first person to go inside oscar pistorius' home moments after reef-- we're going to take you live to south africa for the latest. >> it's h

lerner's documents and e-mails related to the irs targeting of conservative groups. this just in here. what does that mean? >> it means republicans still want to use this as an issue to hit the obama administration, to use it politically, and you look at the past year in 2013 and the irs scandal, or so-called scandal, however you want to talk about it, was something that did hurt the administration, at least temporarily. it did hurt president obama and his poll numbers, and it kept democrats from talking about what they want to talk about, so you see why republicans want to be able to do this. however, when you look at all of 2013, just the hundreds of pages of testimony that all the committees were able to get from other folks involved, all the inspector generals reports, people do have a very good idea of the situations that is it never went to the top echelons of president obama's political appointees, this was not an orchestrated hit at tea party groups and others. bottom line, it seemed to be career agency folks who screwed up and were targeting both republican

lerner who stated that she was invoking her fifth amendment right not to testify. whereas ranking member cummings protested immediately stating, "mr. chairman, you cannot run a committee like this. you just cannot --" >> gentleman will suspend. chair is going to ask for the decorum of the house that members not display their ipads. it's a violation of the house rules. >> which rules? >> it's a violation of the house rules. regular order would be putting the ipads down. >> which rules? regular order would be putting the ipads -- my own point of order here, i think there were a few other brands of things held up there other than just ipads. still, though, the reason for this remarkable scene today in the house, the reason these members of congress were holding up tablets and phones and one poor guy with a piece of paper, the reason they were holding these up was to show everyone one specific photo. this photo of republican congressman darrell issa last week in his capacity as chairman of the house oversight committee, darrell issa drawing his fingers across his neck

>> well, i think the game is he just wanted to continue to portray lois lerner as a villain even though he has all of her e-mails. he wanted the theatrics that day. congressman cummings, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. thank you. >>> coming up, chris christie very proudly said today that is he a trained lawyer. that was his phrase. then why does he keep saying things that can and will be used against him? and they will. in tonight's rewrite. and later tonight, a fond farewell to beautiful downtown burbank. that's what johnny carson who used to work in this very building used to call this place. it's a growing trend in business: do more with less with less energy. hp is helping ups do just that. soon, the world's most intelligent servers, designed by hp, will give ups over twice the performance, using forty percent less energy. multiply that across over a thousand locations, and they'll provide the same benefit to the environment as over 60,000 trees. that's a trend we can all get behind. when my son was born, i remember, you know, picking him up and holding him

lerner, the irs administrator in cincinnati who led the unit that reviewed requests for tax exemptions. remember all that? here he is. >> her attorney indicates now that she will testify. we've been in back and forth negotiation. but quite frankly, we believe that the evidence we've gathered causes her and her best interests to be someone who should testify. >> the problem is that is not true. lerner's tern said she is not testifying and would continue to assert her fifth amendment rights. he also said he had no idea why issa said what he said, which is a reasonable comment on anything he ever says. we'll be right back. >>> who is running this? i thought you were running this. >> i am running this. but you got to listen. he is the guy with the vision. >> i got the vision? you know what vision i have? i just have the vision of you kissing my girl outside. >> i thought you guys broke up. >> that was a scene from the great movie "american hustle," which was passed over at last night's academy awards for ten tom nations. anyway, it's a great movie and one that is more true to life than you

lerner. i think you can read in quotes that "years" means after the election. >> i'm not surprised you brought that one up. >> my overlooked story this week is after the and nexting of crimea, don't give it to a woman. there was an agenda that was anti-women. part of the protest line was don't have sex with those money who insist on supporting that legislation and earlier the liberian women said there would be a sex strike to encourage men to think different. sexst protest has not had an historical precedent but what is less discussed is the use of rape as a tool of war. >> again, esther's new play is called "savior," creative arts foundation. i'll be back tomorrow afternoon, 3:00 eastern. right now "disrupt" with karen finney. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line, anytime, for $15 a month. low dues, great terms. let's close! new at&t mobile share val