why isn't the media interested in the lois lerner? >> well, i think as long as she continues to plead the fifth. they don't really see new news being out there. i think people have bought in a little bit to the whole idea there is a phony scandal. if it's a phony scandal why won't she testify? the question is why republicans might want to consider giving her immunity so that they can get the full story out there. if they're not getting anything rightnt to consider th. >> what happened yesterday is you had congressman issa very frustrated and upset that he actually went on "fox news sunday" and broke some news. she would not plead the fifth she would answer questions and ended up pleading the fifth anyway. frustrated. whether or not he had the right to do that that distracted things and turned congressman cummings into a victim and it would have been much better off to let him spout off, whatever. he could have made himself look like a fool. >> i was stunned with the emails they did present her with. one was dated october 19th, 2010? w

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you saw lois lerner. she walked in this morning. there was hope she would answer the questions that exist out there, like what did she know and when did she know it. what do you read, what do you pray for? the president was initially very uncomfortable what he learned that happened at the irs and said he wanted to get to the bottom of this. e lielijah cummings is speaking. up know we are up against a break. >> we interviewed 38irs employees. hundreds of thousands of pages of documents from irs have been reviewed. $14 million plus and counting in man hours have bee been expended with regard to this investigation into the irs, and still there has not been any evidence whatsoever that there was political motivation in regard to this targeting. in regard to these efforts. martha: i'm trying to give equal time to both of these gentlemen. we'll be back with more. ok, here's the way the system works. let's say you pay your guy around 2 percent to manage your money. that's not much, you think except it's 2 rcent every year. does that make a

lois lerner pleads the fifth. hold her in contempt. second steps, offer her full immunicipality for testimony and two things can happen. if she takes full immunity and decides to offer testimony, we have an opportunity to find out what happened and the next step of that is darril issa to go after theires for codifying bad behavior that shpt happen against left or right. if she doesn't take full immunity, can the administration and erebbing holder and all of the players protect her, or do we not have enough on her. americans are all over this country are sick of government, back to kisterns point that produces little result or solution and we the people need to threaten them in the ballot box. >> how does that translate to the ballot box? do democrats vote or not vote? >> i think it affects potting ways. it depresses the vote a bit. and people lose hope that things are different. and things like the irs situation, along with a lot of other issues that happen could also mobilize people who are very frustrated with the government and want

this was going to be the opportunity that lois lerner pulled. this was an old game, they grandstanded and got headlines. by god, they succeeded. cbs did a story this morning, no mention, no discussion -- no serious discussion about her but they talked about elijah cummings. abc did nothing at all. remember i told you last week that they had done 22 seconds since june of 2013. well, that 22 second record continues. it has been 99 days since they even mentioned the irs scandal. but the best one was nbc news. i'm going to read you how they framed their news last night. in washington today, a public and startling example of the kind of behavior congress has become known for and congress has become gridlocked over. in other words, megyn, the story last night was not lois lerner. it was congress. >> right. you know, in their defense, you know, that exchange between issa and cummings was, it was a tv moment. so we as tv people we see a moment like that, we put it on tv and discuss it. so i see why they talked about that. but to ignore the substance of

because that will either exonerate or convict, essentially, lois lerner. >> mr. cummings is there with the president on not a sminlion of evidence. as a matter of fact, our evidence leads to lois lerner. and that's why we'd hoped to hear from her. if the ranking member had wanted to make a motion before i had adjourned i would have accepted. i adjourned. he then said he had a question. what you played there was after an adjournment. he then perked up and said i want to ask a question. i said what is your question. and then that exchange occurred because he didn't have a question. he was endlessly slandering the efforts of the committee. but having said that, we want to get to the truth. if the attorney had a proffer, which, as you know, would be tell us, don't tell us your client's innocent, tell us what we need to know. and he's never offered to do that. we've offered with his attorney, to be quite frank, his attorney in writing had supported the idea that she would testify under certain conditions. as we began rolling out an a little bit about what we intended

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editorial report" tempers flare on capitol hill as lois lerner declines to answer questions in congress. why is she talking to the justice department instead? >> vulnerable democrats breathe a sigh of relief as the administration announces yet another obamacare delay. if you thought that was the only trick up the president's sleeve, wait till you see his budget. >>> welcome to the "journal editorial report," i'm stewart varny in for paul gigot. fireworks on capitol hill as lois lerner once again refused to answer questions at a house oversight and government reform committee hearing. committee chair darrell issa says contempt charges could come as early as next week. some democrats are crying foul, with ranking member elijah cummings calling the house's investigation into the targeting of tea party groups one-sided and unamerican. >> i am a member of the congress of the united states of america. i am tired of this. we have members over here each who represent 700,000 people. you cannot just have a one-sided investigation. it is absolutely something wrong with that and there is absolutel

. >> tempers fly as disgraced irs employee lois lerner once again pleads the fifth. and juan williams coming up next. and another big edition of "ask sean" that and much more as "hannity" continues. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains. that's why i recommend polident. [ male announcer ] cleaner, fresher, brighter every day. with the quicksilver cash back card from capital one, it means unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase, every day. it doesn't mean, "everything.. as long as you buy it at theas station." it doesn't mean, "everything... unl you hit your cash back limit." it means earn 1.5% cash back on every purchase, every place, every occasion, all over creation. that's what everything should mean. so consider... what's in your wallet? >>> welcome back to "hannity," tempers were flaring at a house oversight committee hearing after lois lerner declined to testify again. watch this? >> my c

and number two, forget lois lerner. this issue is much bigger than lois lerner. this is what pat touched on. this is the corruption of the irs for political purposes, when nixon mused about using the irs to go after his enemies, they had an article of impeachment in the house judiciary committee. >> maybe there was more transparency then. just to clarify, her attorney said she will testify, but she will show up this week, ask for a week delay. if she gets it, she may testify. >> but you know, she is being used as a political pawn in a bigger game, which plays into what pat and john are talking about. basically, the corruption of our entire federal government, the politicization of the investigatory process. i don't believe she's believed she's waived her fifth amendment right, whether or not, to be fair to you, jamie, she has done it. more political circus, more political theater. we're not going to learn anything from her, i don't believe, except our government is irretrievably and irrevocably broken. >> at the same time, the irs is planning bigger attacks becau

one is lois lerner is at the center of this. she had hands on involvement in terms of the targeting of conservative groups. that's one of the things we know, essentially that she's the central person behind much of this. it's troubling. the american people want to get to the bottom of it. >> what do the e-mails prove? keep in mind, as i know the viewers remember, she has taken the fifth countless times. we haven't heard from her other than when she took the fifth the first time, she said she had done nothing wrong. what are we to learn from the e-mails? >> you are right. she said originally she has done nothing wrong. in these e-mails, we know there were rules she violated so perhaps she misled congress even in that limited testimony she gave before pleading the fifth. also, it talks about political targeting. the context of the e-mails, talks about how effective the conservative groups were in their messaging and how she needed to address that. >> so, do you believe after looking at this report, then, that this whole situation

fireworks on capitol hill as lois lerner once again refused to answer questions at a house oversight and government reform committee hearing. darrell issa says contempt charges against lerner could come as early as next week. but some democrats ra calling foul, with elijah cummings calling it one-sided and un-american. >> i am a member of the congress of the united states of america. i am aggravated. >> well. >> we have never -- you cannot just have a one-sided investigation. there is absolutely something wrong with that. and it is absolutely un-american. >> and joining the panel this we week, down to you first. as i mentioned earlier, lois lerner refuses to answer questions from congress, but she is apparently talking to the justice department. what's with that? >> the issue is what part of the justice department is she talking to? an issue like this would normally be handle by the public integrity section of the department of justice. she's not talking to them. she's talking to the civil rights division, which is run by an obama partisan. so that makes you wonder what is the point

he's calling back former irs official lois lerner who has refused to testify. a "fox news sunday" exclusive. and president obama prepares to unveil his new budget with defense cuts and no entitlement reforms. >> it makes no effort to address the drivers of our debt and deficit. >> we'll sit down with leaders of the congressional budget the committee, senator rob portman and congressman chris van hollen. plus arizona governor jan brewer vetoes a bill that would protect religious freedom over gay rights. but other states may take up similar measures. our sunday panel weighs in. and our power players of the week. they are making the please don't touch signs at museums a thing of the past. all right now on fox "fox news sunda sunday". hello again from fox news in washington. we begin with a fast moving developments in ukraine. president obama spoke with russian president putin and said the u.s. will suspend planning for the g-8 summit in sochi this summer. putin got approval from the russian parliament to send troops into ukraine. and the russians have seized contr

and lois lerner knows some things, she's just not saying it. and as issa admits, she's the key of whether this gets any further. we need news here. and this was a bit of a fiasco today. i don't think either side's winning now. this has just become a partisan mud-slinging fight. >> do you know whether they have tried to strike a deal with her, immunity or whatever, to talk about this? because, obviously, she knows a good deal, her lawyers said as much. so, sing like a canary. do anything to get her to talk. >> yeah. this is a tough spot for republicans, because they don't want to give her full immunity, and i would imagine that there have been some negotiations back and forth and we've seen some e-mails that have been released, because lerner's attorney was disputing what issa said on sunday. so, you know, where we go from here, the senate is still investigating this, and that's actually a bipartisan investigation. we haven't seen that report. we're coming upon a year of this coming to light. and i'm sure republicans are going to have one-year a

. >> once again, lois lerner takes the fifth in the irs investigation. but members of congress certainly weren't silent. >> we have members over here who represent 700,000 people. you cannot just have a one-sided investigation. >> tonight we'll have the inside story about an alleged scandal that is still chaotic. ♪ macho, macho man ♪ i've got to be a macho man >>> the russian leader putin continues to thumb his nose at the world. and now some obama supporters are using putin against republicans. we'll tell you what that's all about. and dennis miller will weigh in. >>> please welcome the wickedly talented one and only adele dazim. >> huh? also tonight what the heck was john travolta doing at the academy awards? it was beyond bizarre. we will explain it. caution. you are about to enter the no-spin zone. the "factor" begins right now. >>> hi. i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the irs investigation goes nowhere again. that is the subject of this evening's "talking points memo." to bring you up to date, there are charges the internal rev

it looks like lois lerner committed percentage. in february of 2012 she testified that she never changed the criteria for tax exempt organizations but they found a memo from june 2011 in which she directed the criteria to be changed. that sounds like purge. that's more than a smidgen. >> when i look at this obama administration, you got to look at the broad pattern here to see how much they deceive and lie, right? they never told the truth about benghazi. they deceived us on that. the president himself lied for years about obamacare. er eric holder was held for the gun smuggling in mexico. they have no cred ability at all. right up to the president they knew what was going on with the irs. they lie and deceive about everything. >> rick, i got to ask, it's a hypothetical but if this was being done by the republican administration, do you think that you would be calling for a special prosecutor with all of this evidence that's been leaking out? >> actually, i would, and this may surprise you. i actually agree with lizzy more than you

i think the reality is this is pointing much higher up the chain than lois lerner. she either should get immunity to testify or be held in contempt. >> that's my question. is she holding out for immunity. >> i think so. if i was her lawyer, i would be trying to get immunity, too. she made some statements that were incriminated. she planted a question so she could take the report, independent investigators report within treasury. you can't forget that fact. >> so many unanswered questions. >> been going since the beginning. i think she wants immunity. the question is whether they will give it. >> amazing developments. thanks so much, jay. >>> massive fire engulfing a three-story apartment building. crass particular steps to get out alive. ukraine, what russia has over europe that may cause leaders to shy away from supporting any u.s. sanctions. >>> is global warming biting into a chipotle staple? why the chain might have to pull guacamole from the menu. are you kidding me? that brings us to the favorite question. if your favorite restaurant quits serving guacamole, w

we want just lois lerner's e-mails. that's it. they don't have to go back to the beginning of time, just this area where targeting was going on, i think that could lead to other things, but one step at a time. when they put out blanket requests for documents that go back to the time christ walks this earth, i am joking, but they're losing their argument. i think that that is what's most important. get those e-mails. >> i agree with that, neil. and we said that back to jim jordan, and some of the people who have been helping us with this. you know, she definitely is the key. i did hear some of the testimony today, and i think i saw a congressman from the committee on fox saying they have kind of narrowed it down at the end of the hearing to let the new head of the irs know, we want you to focus on these things. neil, i don't know. when he was talking about how long it's going to take, i think there's a correlation here, neil, between how long it took for them to process our 501 c 4 applications and how long it's going to take to ge

lois lerner should be held in contempt. and if john as he testified today and takes two or three years to get us the e-mails, he should be held in contempt too. that is just unbelievable that he would say it's going to take that long when we asked for these documents when may of last year. we subpoenaed them in august and sent a second subpoena last month. >> it's the same old thing, when the irs wants documents from the average citizen, you can't turn around and say it's going to take me several years, i'm very busy. congressman jordan, good to see you. >>> new developments in the custody fight of a teenager in massachusetts. for the first time, the judge in the case weighs in giving new details about justina pelletier is not back with her family and in a sudden reversal is not going back any time soon. plus hannity at the top of the hour. >> they didn't notice that the first thing that happened in the 20th century was an act of war against the united states in downtown new york and the pentagon. they really think war is o

. >> former irs official lois lerner may have taken the fifth. are newly released e-mails changing the game entirely? >> and new 911 calls and capturing the terrifying moments and a neighborhood forever. >> 911, where is your emergency. >> there is a fire. >> workers are screaming. >> my roof caved in and the whole house shook. it is brought down. and the ceiling is all hanging. i don't know what to do. >>> listen to the newly released 911 calls after a deadly gas explosion one week ago and included a disabled woman who needed help getting out of her home. >> calm down and take a deep breathe with me. just calm down, please. i will have them come out there. >> one person died in the explosion and several more were hurt and 50 homes were damaged. the contractor was doing electrical work and the crew struck a gas line. >> my counsel advised me i have not waived my constitutional rights under the fifth amendment and on his advice i will decloin to answer questions on the subject hearing. >> you will not tell us who will fix the problem. >> on advice

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our evidence leads to lois lerner that's why we hoped to hear from her. >> now the biggest question, what is next for lois lerner as chairman issa and john boehner are considering holding her in contempt. >> i have conferred with some of my members. i plan ton speaking to them and we plan to do it as early as next week. >> they could force her to testify. the fox news poll shows 71 percent of the country believes congress should investigate the irs. certainly a story we will be watching as it progresses. ainsley, tack to you. >>> thank you, mary ann. >> an arrest in the 2011 kidnapping and murder of nursing student holly. zachary adams now indicted in the 20-year-old's disappearance. there is no bond set. they will consider the death den ality if adams is convicted. >> day tour of the oscar pistorius trial. they showed the blade runner arriving in court early this morning. his neighbor is back on the witness stand. he says he heard gun shots and a woman screaming the night pistorius model girlfriend reba steenkamp died. he maintains he accidentally killed steenkamp after he had mista

they are grilling the irs commissioner former lois lerner's involvement on the targeting of groups. lerner not at the hearing today. she faces possible contempt of congress charges after pleading the fifth again at a hearing on march 5th. now we're hearing her e-mails may not be released for weeks. maybe years. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill for us. mike, fireworks

we have been talking about lois lerner. i was looking at some of the e-mails and testimony of irs officials which you have access which indicates this isn't just a caning rue investigation there is meat to the allegations. what can you tell us? >> it starts with them criticizing the court decision in the state of the union. as you remember it is unusually for a president to criticize supreme court judges to their faces which is what he did. that signal to the irs and others it's open season on citizens united. there are e-mails to lois lerner where she says perhaps the fcc federal election commission will save the day. save the day fob whom. there are e-mails she got about democrats maybe losing the senate. her response was that would be worse than the republican president. there are e-mails where she said we don't need that project to appear per se political. she e-mails the coke brothers name but she says what was she talking about. >> that is exactly what this is about. she is a card carrying democrat she did not want th

they have to be produced. >> why not give lois lerner immunity? >> we don't know what she wants immunity from. she says she's done nothing wrong. why should we have to negotiate this? she goes out and tries to plead the fifth. she leaks the information, at the center of the information, why should we grant her immunity, there's no reason to do that. she may have done something terribly wrong. she may have done nothing wrong. come talk to congress about it. >> give me a time line, congressman. i only have a couple of seconds. give me a time line. when might this contempt happen? >> the subpoena issued february 14th, yesterday march 26th, irs commissioner confirmed to the united states congress he has no intention of complying wit. we should do that as soon as we possibly can. >> keep us posted and thanks so much for joining us on the "the real story," congressman chaffetz. >> storm chaser risking their lives to get close to tornadoes have a new shield. you don't want to miss this thing. the new shield that will help them get even closer to the eye

we bring in now the chiefover d lois lerner. so could this end questions over targeting? we bring in now the chief dock at correspondent at the washington examiner. so let's start here. i wanted to ask you, is it legally or constitutionally possible that lerner could face contempt if she continues to be silent? she has a right to invoke the fifth amendment against self incriminal nation, however, some believe that lerner waived that right. or is it more about ethics, you work for the people, now speak to the people. >> i think its he more the former. when she first arrived in congress to talk about the alleged targeting, she gave a 20 minutewhen she first arrived in congress to talk about the alleged targeting, she gave a 20 minute preamble defending herself. after that, she refused to testify. republicans assessed the situation and decided that that meant contempt of congress because she already started talking and then she decided to clam up. so i think that is the main argument here. when she returned again last week, she invoked the fifth amendment once again. again t

i don't understand this lois lerner spoke to the justice, here's the catch, they're a cozy operation rub by an obama do nor, but the congressional investigation is after the truth here. i don't understand why a government employee, within i worked at ibm if my manager told me about a program i botched up, gee, i have to take the fifth. you might terminate me. we are trying to get to the with the toll of this. i can't for the life of me physical out why a government employee would take the fifth amendment i think it's horrendous. >> the fbi said they won't file charges. >> they haven't interviewed the witnesses, gary is right. we all have a right to know the truth. in theory, they work for us, so we should know. what is she hiding now? she may want to know more. the whole thing becomes a scam. you can't help but there is way more to this than you actually know. >> what do you think? >> if we're after the truth, why in the world hasn't congressman issa given a position. what he wants is political fear. lois lerner despite being a government official is also an american citizen and the

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why does lois lerner plead the fifth? why doesn't she tell the truth and be transparent. i'm not finished. so holding someone in contempt of congress will make an example when you're called before congress you need to testify to tell the truth. >> this is just another witch-hunt. >> here we go. >> i wouldth rahher the republicans focus on repealing citizens united and where corporations can and not focus on progressive tea party groups. reform this system. there is a bill on the floor to do that to reform the system, get dark money out of the way. david camp and issa and angela could agree we have to jump onboard. >> i have to leave it there. time is running out on me. always good to have you both join us. >> thank you. >>> janice dean said spring will come. as we head into it, the long, snowy winter has already left behind a souvenir for us. expensive and potentially dangerous pot holes. the tire-destroying differe ini popping up on streets, damaging vehicles and saddling cities for the work and cost of repairing broken pavements. will we fix it? >> it has been a pot hol

>> that's why they are still poo pushing to hold lois lerner in contempt of congress to bring her back in and fill in some of those gaps that we likely won't find out even if the irs does release that full sweep of documents. >> do you see chairman issa giving up at all. >> no, absolutely not. i think he is as frustrated as ever. partly because, as you mentioned, these emails and these documents are going to chairman camp. why haven't they been sent to chairman issa? i think that's created a little bit of a conflict between the two. and he will keep pursuing as much as he can to also kind of achieve a win on this issue. >> see, i see it as an end run of issa by doing it voluntarily to camp. you don't don't, byron. >> it could be. this is a congressional angle we are seeing. there is also actually a judicial angle here that if congress had all of this really great evidence, if they got all of this great evidence, what would they do with it? they would give it to the justice department to actually do any sort of prosecuting based on it now, as the department department has shown zero int

so we will not get answers from lois lerner. let us know what you think. boy, is the in box and twitter and facebook exploding over the rutgers story, which rescinded the invitation to condoleeza rice to speak at the commencement address and when our own ainsley earhart -- >> they haven't rescinded it. a group of faculty members put together a petition to get her not toy're saying i'm happy i put my signature on this because we think she represents the misleading of our nation into war in iraq and also supporting a water boarding and torture techniques. ainsley earhart went down to the professors to question them about this very issue and whether or not they would support other people like hillary clinton who also is dealing with things like benghazi. >> she played a prominent role in the bush administration's effort to mislead the american people about the presence of weapons of mass destruction. at the very least, condoned the policy of enhanced interrogation techniques such as water boarding. that does it for me. >> pick ago commencement speaker is hono

our goal with lois lerner was to get her to tell. we still are hoping to get her to proper through her attorney something that would be useful since she has waived her fifth amendment. she clearly testified, then took the fifth, then testified some more. we'd like her to do that, particularly because she's answering questions to the department of justice, who could put her in jail. she doesn't seem to be willing to answer questions to congress who want to get to the truth. >> right. you had a deal a couple weeks ago. what happened to that deal? have you been reproached by her attorneys? >> i don't want to say anything bad about the legal profession, but we've had claims that there would be a deal from her attorney. each time he's come in to talk about a proffer, he says she's misunderstood. her e-mails are telling of what she was doing. we'd like to know why she was doing it, what her goals are and if there is something innocent behind talking about political agenda and doing something on behalf of the sec, we'd like to have that exp

republicans demanding the irs turn over emails from lois lerner and others in the irs targeting scandal. >> we do count documents clearly responsive to a subpoena. clearly not delivered. >> when we say all, we want every single email in the time period in the subpoena that was sent to you, plain and simple. >> we have never said the fact that you didn't give you some he you don't get rest of us. >> are you going to provide the rest of the emails as indicated in this subpoena? yes or no. >> we he have never said. >> i'm asking you yes or no. >> we are going to respond to the subpoena. >> sir,. >> yes we are going to respond to the subpoena. we simply said we need to provide it to you in an order that's useful for you. >> whether you have people in positions of authority of responsibility that are are expressing overtly political commentary on government email, i think we ought to be entitled to all of them. that's why we ask for it. >> now representative trey gowdy joins us. nice to see you sir. >> yes, ma'am. >> have these emails of lois lerner been speend. >> yes, ma'am. >> how long ag

fireworks on capitol hill as lois lerner once again refused to answer questions

it's a pretty tough report on lois lerner. i would not want to be lois lerner having to answer these allegations. i think it explains to a certain extent why she has decided not to answer these allegations. >> what i don't get they want her to come back and testify. i would still force the irs to turn over all the documents. and with the house ways and means committee got is they didn't get all the documents. the irs is deciding what to give them. they cut a deal. and basically i think they got hood winked by the irs. they shund command all of them. and the irs should not be saying can you have this but not this. >> more emails that we are supposed to see. >> not supposed to do that. >> they say they are going it turn over more emails to ways and means. >> you don't have a choice with a subpoena. have you got to turn it over. for some reason the congress has just rolled over on that. >> and when they do turn things over, often it's missing information and it's heavily redacted. and that's been part of the frustration for both

speaking of lois lerner, house oversight committee chair issa was on the record last night. here is what he had to say about holding her in contempt of congress next. >> the speaker called that he thought that was appropriate today. our committee will consider it. i've conferred with some of my members. i plan on meeting with them before i leave this week. we could consider doing it as early as next week. >> judge napolitano, fox news senior analyst is my guest on this. >> hi, gretchen. >> perfect guest for this. will will house do through with contempt for lois lerner. >> ordinarily if a witness is summoned to testify before the house and the witness invokes protections of fifth amendment, that alone is an insufficient basis for contempt. contempt means you failed to comply with a lawful order. >> house did it with eric holder whereas to fast and furious. >> in the case of eric holder, the house found by a preponderance of the evidence he failed to answer questions accurately by failing to give documents demanded. what do they say she did wrong? remember a few months ago sh

we learned it was not just lois lerner herself. it was higher up people that were engaged in this and she had these communications going back and forth. if she testifies, that's what we need to find out. it contradicts what she said in the apology and testimony. this is the most bizarre twisting and turning congressional investigation i have seen in decades and unbelievable to me she took the fifth amendment kind of and may have waived it in the way she said it and she's going to testify and not testify. and she wants to do it in a deposition format. and no one knows the answer to this and we'll not know until tomorrow. in the end of the day the american people deserve answers and who was organizing it and when. >> if she takes the fifth tomorrow how will you get those answers? >> it is interesting, we have civil litigation going on. if she takes the fifth amendment and can't not be deemed in admission of liability. in a civil case, the statement that you are taking the fifth are deemed admitted and that presents a different situat

we want e-mails to and from lois lerner. now, bill, the issue becomes some of the information swapped on e-mail is confidential by statute. like your taxpayer information, they could not send us by statute without redacting it. so i'm fine setting that category aside. send me the e-mails to and from lois lerner that don't involve confidential tack payer information. start with that. >> here is the commissioner when he was asked -- >> at the rate we're going as noted by an earlier question, if you want all the categories of all the applications of everybody who's been through the c4 process for the last four years, we can do that and we will do that, but it's going to take years. bill: years? >> well, and, again, he's not reading the subpoena. if you send us four years' worth of confidential taxpayer information and you have to carefully redact all of the information, that may take a while. look, bill, you and i have previously discussed e-mails that lois lerner has sent and received that have nothing to do with private taxpa