buckley jr., and he ge you a glowing introduction. listen to this. >> i first met fareed zakaria when he was the undergraduate president of the yale political union and presided over a debate i had there with senator orge mcgovern. his sharp mind and pen have moved him very quickly to young eminence in foreign-policy analysis. >> quite a compliment. and at the same time, fareed, your politics have had their own journey since the time you appeared on "firing line" and since the time you were the head of the yale political union. how has your political journey, starting with the right -- how has it progressed? >> bill and i used to joke about this. the last time i saw him, we went sailing off the coast of connectic, and he was very generous, personally, and he would never try to needle you, but he started to tease me about it. and i said to him, "look, i think the best and most honest answer would be this. i have changed a certain amount, but the right has also changed a fair amount. i would argue that the right has changed more than i

buckley jr., and it ran for 33 years. in the orinal incarnation of the program, in 1990, william f. buckley jr. welcomed nobel laureate economist milton friedn, and the program was entitled "what do we owe our country?" i'd like to share with you a clip from that program and get your reaction afterwards. here it is. >> society is a vehicle, which will give -- continue to protect your sons and mine, and that it has -- we have, therefore, an interest in the shape of that society. >> of course we do. but the question is, why is it that you have had so much of a reduction in the sense of gratitude? in my opinion, it's primarily because we have been doing so much through government. it's primarily because we have an overblown, overgrown government, and as a result, we have destroyed a sense of individual responsibility and responsibility to one another. now, everybody takes it for granted that if there's a problem, the government's going to take care of it. >> do you agree withhis argument that the government can take on too much and that can crowd out the private sphere's initiative and

. >> this program, "firing line," was originally hosted by william f. buckley jr. education and education funding was an issue that buckley tackled periodically throughout his 33 years of hosting. and in 13, on this program, they said th about education funding. take a look. >> everybody talks about declining achievement scores in reading, writing, and arithmetic, but nobody does anything about them except john saxon, graham down, and "firing line." >> now, i contend that we have good teachers and poor teachers, we have good administrators and we havpoor administrators. and massive puts of federal money will accomplish no more than massive inputs of federal money have accomplished in the past. what we have got to do is stir what we have. >> the argument is, "we don't need more sugar in the coffee. we just need to stir the sugar in the coffee a little bit better." how does resources impact educational outcomes? >> i mean, i think it would be naive to suggest that somehow money doesn't matter. i mean, you have states that are sort of underesourcing education. new yor