and there was an extra layer that makes it different from violent protest and blm, and as criminal activities that may ensue and this is different because there are structural forces at play and institutions placed in motion and open revolt against its leaders and there were efforts to leverage these powerful positions in government to overturn the will of the american vote. when we consider the description you have given us and the description roberts has given us, susan from the washington examiner i wonder if you feel that american media plus plus coverage of the fallout from january six all the way through the last 12 months has been proportionate? i think it's been a little political. i think it is about trying to tie republicans to overthrowing an election and overthrowing the government. there are a lot of people who feel very strongly that trump's only term was undermined by democrats and the whole russian collision storyline that dominated its entire time i thinkjoe came to some of the behaviour we saw and that's a story line that also deserves consideration. obviously i'm not going

after the article - might be used to respond to blm protests. and how might that inform your approach to covering subjects on which staff do not agree? i covered that at the — staff do not agree? i covered that at the time. _ staff do not agree? i covered that at the time. the - staff do not agree? i covered | that at the time. the summer staff do not agree? i covered . that at the time. the summer of 2020 was extraordinary and sometimes it's hard to separate what happens in newsrooms from what happens in newsrooms from what was happening in the offices and companies and everywhere else. i and a dozen of the make sense that outside of the make sense that outside of the make sense that outside of the context it was happening everywhere else and in of the context it was happening everywhere else an- everywhere else and in the moment. _ everywhere else and in the moment, this _ everywhere else and in the moment, this racial- everywhere else and in the i moment, this racial reckoning in the peak of the coronavirus, there was this very intense conv

>> all the members of blm and antifa that have been charged with sedition and conspiracy, have you noticed that? >> i mean the numbers. i've got pages and pages of, oh, wait, nothing. >> that's right. it hasn't happened. if what happened today isn't proof to all these people saying oh, it must have been the fbi, must have been antifa, must have been blm, the democrats were behind it. and none of that has shown up in any of the charges. look, you're the law. you're the law lady. this should be proof today what you're believing is bs. >> for some reason i had an image walking with caw boy boots talking about i'm the law in these parts. that was my immediate image. you know what? think about it. the problem is it was never about what common sense and logical. that's the frustrating part. it was never about that. because you know it was going to be spun. now suddenly it's going to be a criticism of this doj being political, and that wasn't the case before for the prior doj and attorney general. it's sometimes i think the point is to frustrate, and so the arguments come out, don, they're like,

for blm and antifa and the democrats? >> they only do it when they have evidence it happened. that's laid out in great detail here. so stewart rhodes, the alleged leader of this group, he disabuses that himself. he says are these real patriots or people posing as patriots trying to start up trouble? he says quite clearly, no, these are real patriots, they're pissed off and getting the job done, something to that effect. >> it's a very interesting idea of what patriotism is. it's actually a warped idea of what patriotism is. is the next step in this investigation likely happening now to see if there was any coordination between these seditious conspirators or others with any trump white house officials or cronies or the so-called war room? >> there's no question. what d.o.j. will do in a case like this is try to continue going up the chain of command. now, i am confident they have several cooperators already. they wouldn't have this indictment without insiders and the way we know that is these encrypted communication chann

all of the members of blm and ant that that have been charged with sedition and conspiracy. have you noticed that? >> i mean the numbers. i've got pages and pages of -- oh, wait, nothing. >> it hasn't happened. if what happened today isn't proved to all of those people who are saying oh, it must have been the fbi, it must have been an antifa, it must have been blm. none of that has shown up in any of the charges. you're the law. you're the law, lady. this should be proof today that what you're believing is bs. what you're saying is bs. >> for some reason i have images of walking with cowboy boots, talking i'm the law. it was my immediate image. but you know what? think about it. the problem is that it was never about what was common sense and logical. that's the frustrating part. it was never about that. because you know it's going to be spun. now suddenly, it will be a criticism of this doj being political, and that wasn't the case before for the prior doj and attorney general. they're going to talk about. so sometimes i think the point is to frustrate. the arguments come o

proof to all these people saying oh, it must have been the fbi, must have been antifa, must have been blm, the democrats were behind it. and none of that has shown up in any of the charges. look, you're the law. you're the law lady. this should be proof today what

image in my mind from june the 2nd, the day after trump and william barr unleased that police riot and blm came to the capitol the next day. i had this image of national guards and women standing at the capitol steps armed and protecting the capitol. i could not imagine somehow the capitol would be breached and much lessover run and sieged by an angry mob. my book describes what happened on that terrifying day. >> you also describe during and you were talking about that in your speech about impeaching donald trump and that very day. let's listen to it and we'll continue to discuss. >> the kids hiding under the desk, placing what they thought for their final texts and whispered phone calls to say their good-byes, they thought they're going to die. my son-in-law never been to the capitol before. when they were finally rescued over an hour later by capitol officers and we were together, i hugged them and i apologized and i told my daughter, tab tabatha -- who's 24, a brilliant algebra teacher and teach for america now i told her how sorry i was and i promised her it would not be like this aga

to the january 6th rioters that they have about blm. the daily show did to prove the point. they edited together comments that the fox channel made about antifa and black lives matter with video from january 6th, and it looks like the joke is on fox. >> this kind of mob-like behavior has got to stop before somebody gets hurt. violence, intimidation, unacceptable in this country. >> it is not a protest. these aren't children. these are adults and they're destroying our country. >> i think what is so jarring to so many americans right now is just the fact that there's so much lawlessness. >> why isn't anybody stopping the looting and the vandalism and the destruction of public and private property? >> that giant lie handicapped the police so they couldn't do a thing to stop the riots without being accused to attacking mostly peaceful protesters. >> these include people that threw projectiles at cops. >> screaming the most disgusting things an inch away from their face. >> well, there you go. we're now just a few minutes from the one-year anniversary of january 6th. cnn is mark

i use that word all in 2020 for the antifa and blm terrorists that assaulted cops and fire bombed police cars. but i agree it was a mistake to use the word yesterday. >> homina, homina. joining me now, cnn political commentators alice stewart and bakari sellers. bakari is the author of a new chu children's book, "who are your peo people?" hello to both of you. alice, let's talk about ted cruz. i understand that you have some news for us. you spoke to senator cruz about that disaster of an interview. what did you learn about this debacle? >> well, first off, don, i expressed to him that he should have just left well enough said. what he said initially in his comments before the hearing, thanking the capitol police for their work, was the right thing to say, that attacking a police officer is wrong and it is an act of domestic terrorism, and violence is wrong. peaceful protest is right. that comment and those comments should have stayed. and going on with tucker carlson, i think took a lot of what he did say out of context. what he said and the way he explained to me was what he had explai

but where are the charges for blm and antifa and, you know, the democrats? i haven't seen any sedition or conspiracy charges there. >> you haven't, and the reason you haven't is because the government is very careful about bringing a big, complicated, hard-to-prove case like this. they only do it when they actually have evidence that it happened, and that's laid out in great detail here. i would also add, don, so stewart rhodes, who is kind of the alleged leader of this group, he disabuses that myth himself. he's quoted in the indictment. somebody says, you know, are these real patriots, or are these just people posing as patriots trying to start up trouble? and he says quite clearly, no, these are real patriots. they're pissed off, and they're getting the job done or something to that effect. so it's right there. stewart rhodes lays waste to that lie. >> it's a very interesting idea of what patriotism is. it's actually a warped idea of what patriotism is. is the next step in this investigation likely happening now to see if there are any -- there was any co

i use that word all in 2020 for the antifa and blm terrorists that assaulted cops and fire bombed cop cars. i agree, it was a mistake to use yesterday. >> joining me now cnn political commentator. bakari, bakari, this is important. the author of a new children's book "who are your people?" i'm going to talk to you about that in a minute. that's what my dad did every time we brought someone over, he would say and who are your people? chances are, he knew the people's people. i digress. i understand you have news for us. you spoke to senator cruz about the disaster of an interview. what did you learn about this deb debacle? >> first off, don, i expressed to him that he should have just left well enough said. what he said initially in his comments before the hearing thanking the capitol police for their work was the right thing to say. that attacking a police officer is wrong and it is an act of domestic terrorism and violence is wrong and peaceful protest is right. that comment and those comments should have stayed and going on with tucker carlson i think took a lot of what he did say o

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i don't think there are any oath keepers that are blm, antifa, so and so forth. >> i think they called them marxist. the person who is the leader has been outspoken on that very issue, which you know is not the case. but he doesn't even have lawyers. i was talking to his committee lawyer, but not the actual criminal lawyer. he does not yet have one. i'm wondering if he'll get the rittenhouse treatment in terms of funding to see who really does have his back. >> we shall see. i've got images of annie oakley. laura oakley. that's it. thank you, laura. i'll see you tomorrow. >> oh, god. goodbye. >> have a good one. so everyone, thank you for joining us. this is "don lemon tonight." so what we have been talking about just now is called seditious conspiracy. seditious conspiracy. sedition. you guys know what that is. it's a chilling charge. the u.s. code charges sedition as two or more people who conspired to overthrow the u.s. government or, quote, prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of u.s. law by force. two or more people who conspire to overthrow the u.s. government or, quote, preve

everything that sort of lines up with this theory of these sort of -- these either people who are secretly blm or antifa or going undercover to be trump supporters just doesn't make any sense. we've seen repeatedly over and over it was disproven. these are actually people who believed the big lie and the election was stolen and they're taking what they see in their minds as justifiable action in order to respond to that what they see as the crime of the century as been described to them by their leader, by donald trump. >> i feel like that's why as a psychological level this remains such a big story. there's not a lot of examples like this in history, nicole, a masked illusion of thousands of people who believed trump won. we're in chartered territory in america because of fox and media outlets, we're experiencing a mass delusion event and in january 6th it happened in real life but it kind of continues in virtual life. what are the receoots? what do we know from the research? >> the denialism is very much rooted in kind of a desire not to be pinned with something that was so horrific. remembe

i use that word all in 2020 for the antifa and blm terrorists that assaulted cops and fi firebombed police cars. but i agree. it was a mistake to use the word yesterday. >> it's uncomfortable to even watch. let's bring in cnn chief media correspondent, brian stelter. brian, he -- that went on for seven minutes where he tried to get forgiveness from tucker carlson for calling a thing a thing. >> right. cruz folded like a paper airplane. i think what it shows is the republican messaging about being tough on crime, which is something that's gone back decades that cruz was trying to lean into has come up against this denial of the january 6th crime. so you have tucker carlson trying to take a position that what we saw with our own eyes didn't really happen. not that many police officers were injured, even though some of the officers that were attacked that day still can't get back to work because the injuries were so severe. but carlson's in such profound denial about that, that he has to put on this performance and cruz, absolutely begged for forgiveness. about a year ago, edmedia reporters l

remember the time you told me i shouldn't go to blm protests because they could get violent. this you? she saw pictures of her mother at the in sur recollection. >> yeah. she saw that video. a video had gone viral of her mother kind of goading a capitol police officer. her mother ends up getting punched in the face by the officer. the video goes viral. helena sees it and tweets her own message which also goes viral. >> yeah. and then there's jackson, a 19-year-old young man who actually called the fbi before the insurrection because he was worried what his father would do. what went on there? >> yeah. jackson was in a really difficult position. he was only 18 at the time. he was hearing these messages from his dad saying something really big is coming, something really big is coming. so jackson started worrying about what his father meant by that. he was especially worried because his father had ties to three percenters, a white supremist group. no stranger to violence. when he knew his dad was in a militia, he felt something violent could happen and did what we're all told t

blm killed dozens of people. the january 6 capital event lasted for couple hours and mostly amounted to a man dancing around the capitol rotunda and a smiley florida man trying to steal nancy pelosi lecture. the blm brides persisted for eight months in city after safety -- city. they attacked temples of our democracy we are now supposed to call them. i do not think it's comparable that the handling over january 6 is disingenuous for people like nancy pelosi and joe biden. so much of what we were told that day that police officers were killed, that aoc was nearly raped and attacked, it was a lie. even the new york times had that. that is where we begin on this issue. i think it was really ugly political theater. i think kamala harris comparing it to september 11 is not only absurd but deeply offensive to those of us who died in the terrorist attack. to compare a horned man dancing around the capitol where the rioters did not kill anybody to an attack that killed three dozen americans is disgusting and kamala harri

the over 16,000 riot -- the over 16,000 charges for the blm and antifa riots. what is the riot on january 6 the only thing that rings the discussion? here's something for you all. what if the fbi was involved? what if ray, and this man on the scaffolding and john sullivan and other bad actors like them, would've that caused a member of the press to get killed -- what if that had caused a member of the press to get killed? what kind of responsibly would you be placing on the fdr any kind of federal agency if the member -- if a member of the press had been killed that day because of violence that they had caused the action? this is a serious question. you will work here every single day just like we do. you walk these halls. this is the place where you gather information and do your job. so your safety was also at risk that day. if our federal government was involved in doing so, i think that is something that you should be very upset about. >> do you think the man that through the fire extinguisher was a federal agent? >> we are not here to litigate any particul

blm killed dozens of people. the january 6 capital event lasted for couple hours and mostly amounted to a man dancing around the capitol rotunda and a smiley florida man trying to steal nancy pelosi lecture. the blm brides persisted for eight months in city after safety -- city. they attacked temples of our democracy we are now supposed to call them. i do not think it's comparable that the handling over january 6 is disingenuous for people like nancy pelosi and joe biden. so much of what we were told that day that police officers were killed, that aoc was nearly raped and attacked, it was a lie. even the new york times had that. that is where we begin on this issue. i think it was really ugly political theater. i think kamala harris comparing it to september 11 is not only absurd but deeply offensive to those of us who died in the terrorist attack. to compare a horned man dancing around the capitol where the rioters did not kill anybody to an attack that killed three dozen americans is disgusting and kamala harri

have had plenty of black lives matter crowds, but if a white officer shot into a crowd and killed a blm protester, i think there would be a much bigger investigation than what happened here, a young white air force veteran who was shot without a weapon. essentially, he shot into a crowd, and do you think that is appropriate? host: the justice department days ago give a status update in a press release to where the investigation is when it comes to january 6. more than 725 defendants arrested in nearly all 50 states. more than 225 defendants charged with assaulting or resisting officers. others using deadly or dangerous weapons are causing serious bodily injury to an officer. it says approximately 10 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges related to assaulting a member of the media. 640 charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building. 275 charged with obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding. 40 charged with conspiracy, on a variety of churches. with sentencing, approximately seven federal defendants with cases adjudicated or receive

the over 16,000 riot -- the over 16,000 charges for the blm and antifa riots. what is the riot on january 6 the only thing that rings the discussion? here's something for you all. what if the fbi was involved? what if ray, and this man on the scaffolding and john sullivan and other bad actors like them, would've that caused a member of the press to get killed -- what if that had caused a member of the press to get killed? what kind of responsibly would you be placing on the fdr any kind of federal agency if the member -- if a member of the press had been killed that day because of violence that they had caused the action? this is a serious question. you will work here every single day just like we do. you walk these halls. this is the place where you gather information and do your job. so your safety was also at risk that day. if our federal government was involved in doing so, i think that is something that you should be very upset about. >> do you think the man that through the fire extinguisher was a federal agent? >> we are not here to litigate any particul

have had plenty of black lives matter crowds, but if a white officer shot into a crowd and killed a blm protester, i think there would be a much bigger investigation than what happened here, a young white air force veteran who was shot without a weapon. essentially, he shot into a crowd, and do you think that is appropriate? host: the justice department days ago give a status update in a press release to where the investigation is when it comes to january 6. more than 725 defendants arrested in nearly all 50 states. more than 225 defendants charged with assaulting or resisting officers. others using deadly or dangerous weapons are causing serious bodily injury to an officer. it says approximately 10 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges related to assaulting a member of the media. 640 charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building. 275 charged with obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding. 40 charged with conspiracy, on a variety of churches. with sentencing, approximately seven federal defendants with cases adjudicated or receive

host: does the blm oversee the leases? >> yes. host: jan, los angeles calling on the democrat line. go ahead. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have been studying this for quite a while and according to resources for the future, m.i.t. and nobel economists. if you put a price on carbon and return the fees to citizens, they do not suffer higher prices and emissions will fall 40% to 50% by 2030. this has been favored by many senators and representatives, and people call it a carbon tax, it is not, it is a fee on polluters. why has this not made more progress? host: do you want to pick up on that? guest: i think because it shows that it will increase, and even if the money is rebated back to the consumer energy is such a critical input for everything that we may can do that americans would not just be paying more for electricity and gasoline, all of the goods and services that they consume. it is very forward facing, and it might be an economically efficient idea, but not a politically popular one or one that is popular with the american public. most polls show that the majority

i do not know if they are now so shooting themselves after the 2018 protests with blm. i think that was negative and should have been controlled by our government and stopped. host: in florida, giving us his thoughts on protests. let's hear from john and virginia, independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. host: thank you for calling. what do you think about this idea of protest? have you participated in one? caller: in 2020, i went to the second amendment march in richmond and the women's march in d.c., both in january of that year. i would say that protests have -- i think they do more good than harm. looking back at history, protesting the minimum wage, we were able to raise that nationally to seven dollars tony five cents. i'm surprised we are not seeing more protests on the availability of testing. as much division as there is in this country, i feel that is something we can all unite around. if you look at the nba, for example, players were not able to have testing for most of their players. i feel there should be more availability for the average cit

and blm, i wrote about first and i took the same approach. i said blm is wrong. i write in the book about how it's a false premise are there issues? yes. are we being hunted down? no are the police just indiscriminately shooting black men. no, can you prove it? yes, are there black people in jail? yes, because you complain about mass incarceration. so i say, how'd they get there? because if the police wanted to hunt down the black man, the easiest ones to shoot would be the ones who break the law yet somehow they end up in jail. why are they shot before they get there? because no one's hunting them is simply not true. now if you want to fix the problem, this is why it's important because how you go about fixing a problem is dependent upon how bad you think the problem is if we think that yeah, we have a problem. it's not, you know taking over the whole country, but it needs to be addressed we can get heads in the room and we can think about what works and we can work on it, but if you think the country is wholly racist and it's hunting down black people and killi

it took a lot of effort from the blm the county it's roads department. and as well as the consulting parties on the on the pa to try and come up with a plan that would. work and it involved doing numerous things such as hiring rock art conservatives to come out and clean up some of the sites to conduct studies on what effects the salts that they're using is dust suppressants were actually having on the rock art and we just kind of moved on from there and that was decided that paving the road would be the better solution one things to remember is the national historic preservation act section 106 as we call it shorthand is a process. it's the steps the process that are important to follow through with it's not the the end result. we realized that we should have started earlier talking to these these consulting parties and and get their input because it would have gone a lot smoother and that's been one of the things that at least from the washington office we've argued for tribes and and consulting parties since then is we need to involve people earlier o

eastern, educational excellence and director charles discussing his book race, blm for my 1619, progressive racism and at 10:00 p.m. eastern on "afterwards", law professors barnett and adam discussed their book, the original meaning of the 14th a minute about the post- civil war change to the constitution interviewed by yale law professor. watch book tv sunday six c-span2, find a full schedule under program type or watch online anytime at booktv.org. ♪♪ >> today's white house briefing jen psaki answered the question about president biden's speech this morning about the january 6 attack on u.s. capitol. she was asked about voting rights legislation, potential changes to the senate filibuster rules and u.s. postal service request for temporary exemption to the employee vaccine mandate.

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i almost immediately think about ferguson which for a lot of people was their first entrance into blm as a movement or being aware that about how people were moving and defensive black lives and i remember for myself as an abolitionist or when the world's abolitionist views very distinctly sitting in a children's jail here in seattle with a young woman a who was around the age of 17, and she was telling me that she did not feel she could live outside of a jail that she was institutionalized and she 17 telling me this and i had a very distinct moment in a very long journey of thinking wow, we are doing something wrong and i couldn't fully put my finger on what it was, but i knew having a child sitting in front of me telling me that this was the only place they could live for the rest of their life. man, we were doing something wrong, and i know that for a lot of people saint louis ferguson and honestly as an attorney, missouri because of its it's it's laws, you know, hold a lot of of those moments. is there a moment in your life that connects to why you wrote this book that really trig

i almost immediately think about ferguson which for a lot of people was their first entrance into blm as a movement or being aware that about how people were moving and defensive black lives and i remember for myself as an abolitionist or when the world's abolitionist views very distinctly sitting in a children's jail here in seattle with a young woman a who was around the age of 17, and she was telling me that she did not feel she could live outside of a jail that she was institutionalized and she 17 telling me this and i had a very distinct moment in a very long journey of thinking wow, we are doing something wrong and i couldn't fully put my finger on what it was, but i knew having a child sitting in front of me telling me that this was the only place they could live for the rest of their life. man, we were doing something wrong, and i know that for a lot of people saint louis ferguson and honestly as an attorney, missouri because of its it's it's laws, you know, hold a lot of of those moments. is there a moment in your life that connects to why you wrote this book that really trig

the blm supports the overall goals of these bills and looks forward to working with the committee on them further. i'm accompanied by reginald chapple, who is here to answer questions about the parks, jobs, and equity act, s. 2886, the cape and antler preservation enhancement act, and the outdoors for all act. increasing public access to the outdoors for all people and offering opportunities to fully enjoy our nation's public lands, including for communities that have disproportionately less access to nature, is an important priority for secretary haaland. additionally, president biden's call to action and executive order 14008, tackling the climate crisis at home and abroad, supports improving access to recreation, revitalizing local economies, creating opportunities for underrepresented communities, and protecting our national treasures. the blm is one of several land management agencies within the department offering tremendous outdoor recreation opportunities on our nation's shared public lands. blm managed public lands host a remarkable variety of recreational opportunities and

the blm supports the overall goals of these bills and looks forward to working with the sponsors and the committee on them further. i'm also pleased to be accompanied today by reginald chapelle acting assistant rector of civic engagement for the national park service who is available to answer any question on s. 1616, the federal interior media act, s. 2258, the parts jobs and equity act, s2886 the capen antler enhancement act and s2887 the outdoors for all act. increasing public access to the outdoor for all people and offering opportunities to fully enjoy our nation's public lands including for communities that are disproportionately less access to nature is an important priority for secretary haaland. additionally president biden's called action and executive order 14008 tackling the climate crisis at home and abroad support improving access to recreation revitalizing local economies, creating opportunity for underrepresented communities and protecting our national treasures. the blm is one of several land management agencies within the department offering tremendous outdoor recre