i think companies in silicon valley that revive their business plan is also leaving their customers and contributors are going to fail. >> yeah, if that's how they approach it, then they're going to make themselves superfluous. in fact, they seem to anticipate that. if you proceed in business on the assumption that your job is to make your own customers superfluous, , you're going to n out of things to do it that your business model, aren't you? >> i think it's quite absurd. i'm even contrary enough to not believe that -- i think technology is continuing to advance at a tremendous pace, but it don't think it's advancing any more rapidly than it did at the time of the industrial revolution. i think that nobel laureate economist william nor house -- nor house did a study of the advance of writing. this is the invention, creation of light, the amount of lumens you need to light a room at night. and he shows that the advance in lighting has been a hundred thousand times more rapid than is measured in the economic models. essentially, economists while they are writing about them satanic mill

valley to revise their business plan and contributors as well. >> yes, that is how they approach it and then they are going to make themselves superfluous. they seem to anticipate that. so if you proceed in business on the assumption, you're going to run out of things to do if that is your business model. >> yes, i think it's quite absurd.hi inc think technology is continug to advance in the tremendous place. i don't bank that it's advancing any more rapidly than at the time of the industrial revolution. and i think that there was an economist named lord house, he did the study of the advance and there is now part of this. [inaudible] these mills, all of these different mills and the different energies and whether it is electricity and allll of that and that includes by the amount of time that a worker had suspended to eliminate it. and that includes the industrial revolution as well. >> that's fascinating in its measured by the number of hours that it takes a look at things to earn to approach it, the goods and services that sustain life and this continues to be a golden age and te

companies in silicon valley that regard their business plan as obsolete and their customers and contributors are going to fail. >> if that's how they approach it, then they're going to make themselves superfluous. you will run out of things to do. >> i think it's absurd. i think that the nobel laureate economist william nordhouse did a study of the advance of -- the invention and creation of white, the amount of lumen to light a room at night. he shows that the advance in lighting has been 100,000 times more rapid than is measured in the economic model. the incredible expansion of light from the time that was -- it was fire in a cave to the millions of candles at versailles to whale oil to kerosene to finally electricity and then light emitting -- >> beyond electricity. >> measured by the amount of time a worker had to spend to buy the light to illuminate a room. economic progress was 100,000 times more rapid than is usually estimated in that field. during the industrial revolution, we missed light. this continues to be, a golden age of capitalism with the technological progress as fast as e

. >> i thought he was just silicon valley. >> now-- no, technology chief at google and it developed ai the response to gmail. responses that allow you to anticipate how you are going to respond to it. >> i noticed the responses have been getting more courteous and more specific. i suppose it's due to his development. >> that's his contribution. really i think all these people forgotten the fundamental principles of computer science. >> that's what's striking about this book because you don't seem to be as much as a doomsday or as some. in fact, you seem to think the potential of ai may be oversold, but that even in the overselling there could be some collateral damage and you are trying to avoid that. have i got that right? >> yeah, i think that's right. the idea that somehow ai competes with human minds is a fundamental illusion. >> a lot of these technology creators came to the work having already observed the idea that the human mind is nothing more than a neat machine and so if they knew that quote unquote knew that to begin with and it's not surprising that the conception of artif

also michael malone chronicles the beginnings of silicon valley with his book the big score. then "the memory thief" about the effects of opioid use on the memory. what can teach doctors about alzheimer's disease followed by biologists carole hooven explaining how testosterone dries behavior. >> some people say that artificial intelligence is going to make a the human race obsolete. people don't want to think that a artificial intelligence, and intimidating subject that the thing about ai is even if you don't want to think about it, it is thinkingut about you, or is ? that will be the question we will be discussing today on this episode of independent conversations. greetings everybody who has joined us. i'm graham walker coming from the independent institute in oakland, california. we try to bring notable experts on aic variety of topics to discuss topics of the day and we think giving your perspective that you're not likely to hear elsewhere, and today we'll be talking with george gilder. let me welcome george gilder to independent conversations. hi, george. [inaudible] >>

in the silicon valley, this was their customers, and contributors. saying they're going to fame. >> that's how they approach it. then they're going to make themselves superfluous, and if you anticipate that, if you precede in business on the assumption that your job is to make your own customers superfluous, you're going to run out of things to do if that's your business model, aren't you? >> i don't -- i mean, i'm even in control enough not to believe, that they continue to advance at a tremendous pace, but i don't think it's advancing any more rapidly than it did at the time of the industrial revolution. >> mm-hmm. >> and i think that the economist william moorhouse has looked at this, and looked at the invention creation of life, is amount of lumens you need to light a room at night, and it shows that the advance in lighting has been 100,000 times more rapid than it was measured in the economic model. essentially economists were writing about mills, and -- >> william blake. >> yeah. they were writing, and emmitt james, writing, and the incredible

a flat university society in silicon valley, binary symbols which can play games better than us. there are black and gray, white and gray stones and the stones are symbols and they don't show beyond the board. if you have a computer, they can move billions of times faster than a human can. obviously they can play better than a human. >> i think you're saying a man is going to be superseded by a threshing machine. a man with a single side of that doesn't mean the machine is more sophisticated than the man. >> that's right. >> you say early on in the book and you repeated in a few places that you have two basic claims notion of sort of supremacy of artificial intelligence and both don and self defeating. i find it reassuring to learn from you and your book and other sources that the human mind is more complex and maybe the entire world internet system,ur that is reassuring. i'm glad to know maybe there's evidence but my mind is more than just a meat machine with electronics pulsing threat. so maybe it is done but the trouble is, could this view of artificial intelligence rise to a

. >> i thought he was just silicon valley? no, while he was a good technology chief i google undeveloped at that -- response to your emails, you know gmail, has responses that allow you to anticipate how you are going to respond to a particular issue. i notice those responses are more curious since was if. it cases it establishment? that's raises contribution. ray as a whole -- contributions to technology where the decades. but i think all these people have forgotten the fundamental principles of the computer science that they expound. that's what's striking about the book, because you don't seem to be of much of a dune say or something in, fact see five got this right to -- you seem to think the potential of a i maybe oversold, but that even in the overselling there could be some collateral damage and you're trying to avoid that. >> have i got that rain? >> that's right. the idea that somehow ai competes with human minds is a fundamental illusion. >> a lot of these technology creators, he came to their work having already abs