like the oslo process, because the oslo process was kissingerian in its design. it introduced kissinger's notions of a step by step incremental process, oslo had three phases of israeli withdrawal with no endgame, no sacred time, no reference to palestinian state, jerusalem or refugees. that was exactly what kissinger had in mind in the peace process. you just two steps of territorial withdrawal, build confidence, exhaust the powers until eventually, palestinians would accept israel and then israel could talk about giving up most of the 1967 territory it occupied step that was oslo and that was kissinger. he was very pleased that oslo adopted that approach. he supported that very strongly. when rabin was assassinated, we went to camp david and abandoned oslo and as a consequence, we blew up the process. now kissinger says palestinians should have attributes of sovereignty, should be a state in the making with its institutions being built and regaining control of the territory and attributes of sovereignty on the way to eventual statehood. he is a two state man an

that was oslo and that was kissinger. he said to me -- he was very pleased he had adopted an approach. that was his basic idea. he supported that strongly. when he was assassinated, as i said, we went to camp david. as a consequence, we blew up the process. now, kissinger says, palestinians should have attributes of sovereignty, should be a state in the making, with these institutions being built, and we are gaining control of the territory and attributes of sovereignty, on the way to eventual statehood. he is a two state man. he says, i mean, to make the final point here, kissinger's process always involved israel giving up territory. that was what we were hated the process -- that was what lubricated the process. i think that his view is --and he says this in a book he wrote --that israel cannot base its existence on the naked use of force alone. if it does so, meaning occupying the west bank forever, if it does so, he said it would consume its moral substance. that's --i mean, that is a pro found statement about the fu