so, senator thune said, let's go to work. >> our differences are very minor. or they seem very minor in the face of revelations that we have now seen, so i'm hoping we can move forward. >> i share that view, mr. chairman thank you. thank you very much for your testimony. what examples do you know -- we've talked about particularly children, teenage girls specifically, but what other examples do you know about where facebook or instagram knew its decisions would be harmful to its users but still proceeded with the plan and executed those harmful behavior >> facebook's internal research is aware that there are a variety of problems facing children on instagram, that are -- they know that severe harm is happening to children. for example, in the case of bullying, facebook knows that instagram dramatically changes the experience of high school. so when we were in high school, when i was in high school, most kids -- >> you looked at me and changed your wording. >> sorry when i was in high school, you know, most kids have positive home lives it doesn't matter how ba

. >> senator thune >> thank you, mr. chair. and ranking member blackburn i've been arguing for some time that it is time for congress to act. i think the question is always what is the correct way to do it, the right way to do it consistent with our first amendment right to free speech. >> totally. >> this committee doesn't have jurisdiction over the anti-trust issue. that's the judiciary committee and i'm not averse to looking at the monopolistic nature of facebook honestly. i think that's a real issue that needs to be examined, perhaps addressed as well. but at least under this committee's jurisdiction, there are a couple of things i think we can do. and i have a piece of legislation and senators blackburn and blumenthal are both co-sponsors called the filter bubble transparency act essentially what it would do is give users the options to engage with social media platforms without being manipulated by the secret formulas that essentially dictate the content that you see when you open up an app or log on to a website. we also

senate republican whip john thune is confident they will get there. but erin, in talking to a number of republicans, they are just not sure they want to support this. believing it was not a good deal, believing they back tracked under a strategy, and saying that they'll wait ultimately for the vote to happen to make their decision. so there could be high drama as we run into the vote later this hour. and if they don't pass it here, it will raise major questions about what's next, and what the democrats will have to do on their own to try to pass this. a lot of questions. we'll see what happens here, though, erin, in a matter of minutes. >> big drama in a matter of minutes. thank you so much, manu. >>> "outfront" now, treasury secretary janet yellen. take, i so much appreciate your time tonight. democrats and republicans are set to raise the debt ceiling. that's going get the country through december 3rd. then we go through this whole thing again. how damaging is this? >> well, i think the prospect that congress would not agree to raise the debt ceilin

john thune has sponsored several measures to create transparency that would give the public and policy makers more understanding of how algorithms work and pushing content to users. democrats want to strengthen privacy, competition laws, bolster online for children, get full access to research data to create new rules and standards to address consumer harms and illegal content and limit protections for facebook and other companies for the actions of their users. the whistle-blower is calling for an independent government agency to audit the impact of social media. senators say what's next, possibly a hearing on facebook's impact on national security. and the catch "saturday night live", they had a whole parody on the whistle-blower testimony, so it's not just in the sterile halls of congress where this is being debated. suzanne malveaux, cnn in washington. >>> now china's lashing out at taiwan's president saying her speech during the island's national day celebration distorted facts and incited violence. the president spoke sunday amid heightened tensions saying they will defend their

now, john thune, who is the second ranking republican in the united states senate. he's their whip in charge of their vote count. he just emerged from a meeting and told reporters that they will be fine, that they did fine ten republicans willing to vote yes to allow it to come to the floor, but there are several republicans that are just unhappy with mitch mcconnell's strategy here, that he backed down from this challenge with the senate democrats, among them senator ted cruz who's going to be among them attempting to block this measure and senator lindsey graham who was very critical of senator mcconnell not understanding why mcconnell took this step when he felt that they had democrats on the ropes. now, of course, wolf, we aren't solving any problems here tonight. this is just going to prevent the debt ceiling from being crashed through the second week of october. it essentially just pushes this problem down the road a few weeks, and these same differences between republicans and democrats still exist. democrats do not want to pass the debt ceiling through the r

mcconnell and his whip john thune were standing by the table counting votes. it took a long time to make sure that they got all the votes they needed. so i think that was part of the reason that republicans felt like schumer's speech went too far. there had been this 90-minute conference meeting where mcconnell gt an earful from republican colleagues. here's what two of them said about the decision to reverse course on the debt ceiling. >> we had a plan. >> do you know why? >> i think the democratic threats to destroy the filibuster caused him to give in. i think that was a serious mistake. >> were you surprised? >> yes. >> reporter: this debt ceiling fight is coming back in two months. there's a question now of will republicans come along to help democrats again. they are saying, no, they won't. democrats saying they are not going to use a process to do this on their own. they think this is everyone's responsibility. up here on capitol hill, there's a stalemate. even after a little bit of a blink from mcconnell, you had democrats digging in once again or at l

. >> senator thune. >> thank you, mr. chair, and ranking member blackburn. i've been arguing for some time that it is time for congress to act and i think the question is always what is the correct way to do it. the right way to do it, consistent with our first amendment right to free speech. this -- i'm not averse to looking at the monopolistic division of facebook. i think that's a real issue that needs to be examined and perhaps addressed. at least under this committee, there are a a couple of things think we can do. i have a piece of legislation and senators blackburn and blumenthal are both co-sponsors. called the filter bubble transparency act. essentially it would give users the options to engage with social media platforms without being manipulated by the secret formulas that essentially dictate the content that you see when you open up an app or logon to a website. we also, i think, need to hold big tech accountable by reforming section 230 and one of the best opportunities i think to do that, at least in a bipartisan way, is the platform accusedabl

is held up, which is why we don't know exactly when this will happen or how it will happen, but john thune compared it to a, quote, birthing process. it's very difficult. republicans hate the debt ceiling, but we'll get there. >> this is remarkable, because we often talk over at the house about how nancy pelosi knows how to count votes. mitch mcconnell knows how to count votes, too. one would think he knew who those ten votes were before making this offer. >> reporter: republicans i talked to just moments ago are undecided. they don't know what they want to do. they want to see if other republicans will cast this politically toxic vote themselves before they commit. ultimately the belief is when they get to the floor and they actually have the vote, the republicans will vote yes. but it's uncertain as to who will do that. every republican, every senator on both sides, they know they have to raise the debt ceiling but very few of them actually want to cast the vote to do that, which is why we are in the situation we're in, where we're running up to this deadline to raise the debt ceiling, a

, they called it classless, according to mike rounds, one of the 11 to vote for it, as well as john thune, the number two senate republicans, and warned he would not cooperate in the future, we'll see if that happens. nevertheless, didn't go over well particularly with republicans. >> staying with senator man chin, you've got new reporting about the difficulty of getting senator manchin, even into the same room with chairman of the budget committee, senator sanders, tell us about that. >> reporter: this came up in a conference call earlier this week where house progressives were talking to president biden about the way forward. why don't we get the two different leaders of the factions, manchin, the leader of the moderates, bernie sanders, the leader of the progressives, get them in the same room, try to come up with a deal on the larger democratic agenda because ultimately if they sign off, probably all of the different quarters of the democratic caucus will sign off as well. biden responded i'm told said that would be like committing quote homicide saying i have been in politics for a l

and the senate minority whip jon thune went to schumer and told reporters he let him have romney saying this was a moment of grace. so people on both sides not happy to hear that speech. away they called a partisan speech right after they had accomplished at least getting the debt ceiling lifted until december. >> jessica, thank you so much for that. >>> joining me now with some more is economic reporter for "the new york times" geena smiley. you have the debt ceiling looming out there once again. but that is for later, at least for the moment. this jobs report, another miss. it paints a confusing picture, another confusing picture of where exactly the country is in this recovery. the perfect question was posed, does anyone really know what is happening with this economy? what are all the people telling you? >> i think this is such a challenging moment to read the tea leaves. just to sort of demonstrate that, i think that one place to look in this jobs report to see how extremely confusing it is is that the state and local government education hire ing tt we were talking about earlier,

reminds me that you and i ought to resolve our differences and introduce legislation, so as senator thune said, let's go to work. >> our differences are very minor, they seem very minor in the face of the revelations that we have now seen, so i'm hoping we can move forward. >> i share that view, chairman, thank you. >> congress could only bottle that brief glimpse of bipartisan resolve, and apply it to, say, avoiding a disastrous default on our debt, or passing infrastructure reform, and election reform or having a bipartisan commission to investigate the january 6th attack. nah, that's too much to ask. but reforming social media's damaging effects on our democracy would be a welcome step forward. and that's your reality check. >> i'm taking the under on all those other things there. i think that's where the safe money is on that. >> wise bet. >> john avlon, thank you very much. >> take care. >>> so new this morning, former ambassador to the united nations nikki haley attacked democrats during a speech at the ronald reagan presidential library. listen to this. >> the greater danger is tha

so as senator thune said, let's go to work. >> our differences seem very minor in the face of the revelations that we've now seen so i'm hoping we can move forward. >> i share that with you, mr. chairman, thank you. thank you very much for your testimony. what examples do you know, we've talked about particularly children, teenage girls in specifically. but what other examples do you know about where facebook or instagram knew its decisions would be harmful to its users but still proceeded with the plan and executed those harmful, that harmful behavior? >> facebook's internal research is aware that there are a variety of problems facing children on instagram that are, they know that severe harm is happening to children. for example, in the case of bullying, facebook knows that instagram dramatically changes the experience of high school. so when we were in high school, when i was in high school, most kids -- >> you looked at me and changed your word. >> sorry. when i was in high school, most kids have positive home lives. it doesn't matter how bad it is at school, kids can go home and reset f

republican senator john thune has sponsored several measures to create transparency that could give the public and policymakers more understanding of how the algorithms work in pushing content to users, and democrats want to strengthen privacy and competition laws, bolster online protections for children, get full access to research data to create new rules and standards to address consumer harms and illegal content, and limit legal protections for facebook and other companies for the actions of their users. now, the whistle-blower, for her part, she is calling for an independent government agency to audit the impact of social media. senators say what is next? possibly a hearing on facebook's impact on national security. pam, i know you probably caught that "snl" last night, the parody on the whistle-blower testimony. so it is not just in the sterile halls of congress where this is being debated. pam. >> it's certainly not. that was a pretty funny skit with quite the message behind it. all right. so let's turn to you, joe, and basically president biden's political struggles right now ev

he becomes the six republican senator to endorse walker including south dakota senator john thune, the number two senate republican on monday. with today's apparent change of heart, mcconnell is now in full alignment with former-president trump. >> you know, herschel is not only a georgia hero, he is an american legend. >> reporter: walker, a former-football star, was recruited by trump to run. >> i have known donald trump for 37 years and i don't mean just casual ran into him from time to time. i am talking about a deep personal friendship. >> reporter: the political newcomer has faced scrutiny over his past allegations of abuse, he was accused of threatening his ex-wife and friend of hers in the early 2000s. >> you can get angry but the anger that you can go out and really, really hurt someone and th that is when you know you got a problem. >> reporter: walker spoke to cnn in 2008 about his struggle with dissociative identity disorder, previously known as multiple personality disorder which his campaign has said he has received help for since the alleged incidents. >> how many altars

senator thune: thank you. mrs. miller, ask you tube engage in behaviors to change the users' influence in any way? mrs. miller: when users come to youtube they come to search and discover all kind of content, for example, how to bake bread, watch a church service or do exercise. as a result, they are introduced to a diversity of content that isn't based on a particular network they are a part of. in so doing there may be additional videos recommended to them based on some signals but they will be overrided to make sure that we are not recommending harmful content. senator thune: back to mr. beckerman. all chinese internet companies are compelled by china's international intelligence law to turn over all data that government demands and is not limited by china's borders. has tiktok provided data to the chinese government on chinese persons living in the united states or elsewhere living outside of china? mr. beckerman: no, tiktok is not available in china and i'd like to point out our servers of u.s. data are stored

thune: mr. chairman, i would suggest that as has been pointed out, i think there are a number of things we need to address. congress needs to be heard from in the space and particularly with respect to the use of algorithms and the way users are manipulated and particularly young people, i hope we can move quickly and directly and in a meaningful way to address this issue. thank you. chair blumenthal: i think we have strong consensus on that interview -- issue. similar baldwin. sen. baldwin: i would like to note that the series of hearings began with a revelation that internal research at facebook revealed the negative impact on teenagers' body images from using the company's instagram platform and we learned, based on research by the chairman staff, how quickly someone on instagram can go from viewing content on healthy eating to being directed toward posting that focuses on unhealthy plaque to says including glorifying eating disorders. i know we do not have facebook and instagram before us to

let me now turn and recognize senator thune. mr. thune: thank you, mr. chairman. i, along with many of my colleagues, are deeply concerned about the lack of consumer traryndz transparency and limited accountability of big tech companies. consumers have become increasingly troubled about the way their information is used by social media platforms and how these sites decide what news an information we see. because of the secrecy with which platform pros tech their algorithms and content moderation practices which largely has been and continues to be a black box, consume verse little or no idea how the information they see has been shaped by the sites they're visiting. i urge these two bipartisan bills to address these issues in platform accountability, the pact act and filter act. the pact act would increase transpersoncy -- transparency around platform moderation act, that would provide transparency when facebook removes a post. and the filter act would give users the opportunity to interact with pages without the algorithm. "the wall street journal" recently revea

senator thune? senator thune: you served 10 years serving next to san francisco, a well-known sanctuary city that refuses to cooperate with federal immigration enforcement agents. if confirmed, you will oversee the enforcement of immigration law at our borders. do you support sanctuary cities and what message do they send to those seeking to enter the united states illegally? mr. magnus: senator, thank you for the question. i appreciate how decisions around sanctuary cities ultimately political decisions, but as a police chief, certainly in this position, where i to be confirmed, my first and primary obligation is to follow the law. that is what i has always done in the past and that is what i would commit to doing going forward. sen. thune: the biden administration is issuing these so-called notices to report and leaked documents show that tens of thousands of documents have been it'll -- admitted to the united states with few requirements other than a check in whenever and wherever they reach thei

thune: i would simply say let's get to work here. chrm. blumenthal: i agree. sen. schatz: thank you for your courage in coming forward. was there a moment when you came to the conclusion that reform from the inside was impossible and you decided to be a whistleblower? ms. haugen: there was a long series of moments where i became aware that facebook consistently chose to prioritize its profits over public safety. the moment that i realized we needed to get help from the outside, the only way these problems would be solved is by solving them together and not solving them alone was when when -- when civic integrity was dissolved following the election. it felt like a betrayal of the promises facebook had made. people who sacrificed a great deal to keep the election safe by dissolving our community and integrate other parts of the company. sen. schatz: i know the response was they distributed the duty, that is an excuse, right? ms. haugen: i cannot see into the hearts of other men. sen. schatz: let me put it this way, it will work, right? ms. haugen: the people who i w

they told -- in the thune hill. justice kagan that is just contesting the promise that the attorney general could have appealed. if i understand, he could have appeal because he was doing so in a different capacity than he had taken in the first place. mr. kuhn: my position is because of the way the stipulation was written, the attorney general could have appealed because it is consistent with him reserving his right and claims of right to participate in a subsequent appeal and benefit from a favorable rule. justice kagan: i apologize for pressing and i'm just not understanding. if you agree that in a torres type case where the person could have appealed and didn't appeal, if you agree it would then be improper to grant intervention rights, which i take you to agree, so that's a very simple case. it seems to me the petitioners would say, that exactly what happened here, because the ag could have appealed, didn't, and is now seeking intervention. if we assume the point that the ag could have appeals, why the same res

we are joined by senator thune and senator amy klobuchar and senator ed marquis. they have all been extraordinary leaders in this effort. and today, i should note, is the first time that tiktok and snap have appeared before congress. i appreciate you and youtube for your testimony this morning. it means a lot. our hearing with facebook whistleblower frances haugen was a searing indictment, along with her documents of a powerful, gigantic corporation that puts profits ahead of people, especially our children. there has been a definite and deafening drumbeat of continuing disclosures, about facebook -- they have deepened america's concerns and outrage. and have led to increasing calls for accountability, and there will be accountability. this time is different. accountability to parents and the public, accountability to congress. accountability to investors and shareholders, and accountability to the securities and exchange commission and other federal agencies. because there is ample credible evidence as we start an investigation here. but today, we are concerned a

mitch mcconnell also voted yes, as did senator john thune south dakota, senator barrasso, senator ron portman, senator murawski, richard shelby of alabama, blunt of missouri, and my clowns of south dakota. 11 vote supplied by republicans. they raise the debt ceiling through early december. that now goes into the house. the house is expected to be back in session on tuesday, the 14th of october, just days ahead of what the treasury department says is deadline for default, if the u.s. bid to raise money is not raised by that point. so that is where we are on the debt ceiling. plenty more physical fight the head, and amid all of that, we are asking you this morning for your top news story of this past week. again, (202) 748-8001 for republicans. democrats, it is (202) 748-8000. an independents, (202) 748-8002. dan is in jackson heights, new york come up first this morning. what was your top news story this past week? caller: hi. i just heard a congressional hearing on arizona elections that preceded your program, and i am, frankly, utterly shook. i am a republican. i came here as a refug

thune: madam president? the presiding officer: the republican whip. mr. thune: madam president, i understand we're in a quorum call. the presiding officer: yes, we are. mr. thune: i ask unanimous consent the quorum call be lifted. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. thune: unanimous consent that i be allowed to speak for up to 15 minutes. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. thune: madam president, work continues on democrats' social spending spree and the senate seems on on -- to be on track to vote on their bill in the near future. well maybe. it depends on who you ask at any given time around here these days. just to highlight the high level of uncertainty surrounding this process, president biden was on capitol hill just this morning. his second visit this month to twist the arms of still undecided democrats. as they continue to see what sticks to the wall, it's good to know that priorities for government jobs -- tax credits for justice programs at college universities and $200 million park in speaker pelosi's district may soon come

thune: mr. president, democrats continue to negotiate with each other on their reckless tax and spending spree. democrats are currently working to lower the topline number in an effort to meet some of the demands of the few moderate democrats who have reservations about unchecked government spending. now, mr. president, you might think that lowering the topline number would involve deciding what programs and spending to eliminate toll bring the bill in at a lower cost. not exactly. yes, democrats are reportedly eliminating some spending. but the word is that under pressure from progressives who are dead set against curtailing their plans for expanding government, democrats are planning to keep a lot of their most expensive proposals but simply shorten the funding window to make the cost of these programs seem lower. take democrats' fantastically expensive child allowance. democrats have every intention of turning their child allowance into a permanent government welfare program. but in order to

thune: mr. president? the presiding officer: the republican chip. mr. thune: the senate is in a quorum call? the presiding officer: it is. mr. thune: i would ask unanimous consent the quorum call be lifted and i be able to complete my remarks before the start of the vote. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. thune: mr. president, it's another day and another really bad idea coming from the democrats to fund their reckless tax-and-spending spree. it seems like to fund this massive amount of spending, they're trying desperately to come up with new revenue sources, so much so that as of yesterday still under consideration was a tax on unrealized gains. in other words, on income that people haven't received yet. and to just put that into perspective, if carried to its full conclusion, if that became a precedent as part of tax policy in this country and it never has been before, you could -- to put it in terms so people can understand, a lot of people participate in a 401(k). they have some

thune: are we in a quorum call? the presiding officer: we are not. mr. thune: okay. the presiding officer: the republican whip. mr. thune: as i begin this morning, let me start by reacting to a couple of things said on the floor already by my democratic colleagues. you know, the republican leader when he was down here earlier talked about the impact of inflation on the economy and i have to tell you that's very real, mr. president. the inflationary impact is felt all across the country, energy costs are up, gasoline costs are up by huge amounts. food costs are up in this country, housing costs are up. there isn't hardly any area where people aren't impacted by inflation, meaning that the dollars they earn are stretching less further all the time. and that is not -- it's not a fake thing, it's not a temporary thing. it's a real thing. people are experiencing it in their economic lives on a daily basis. and to hear the democrat leader say well, you know, all the spending that they're going to do is not going to cost anything, it's ■going tobe covered by tack increase

thune: mr. president. the presiding officer: the republican whip. the presiding officer: is the senate in a quorum call? the presiding officer: yes. mr. thune: i would ask unanimous consent that the quorum call be lifted. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. thune: and ask unanimous consent that i be able to complete my remarks prior to the vote. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. thune: mr. president last week president biden's chief of staff retweeted a tweet from harvard economist jason furman, describing our current economic challenges notably the growing supply chain issues as, quote high-class problems. high-class probl i guess working americans struggling to stretch their paychecks for everything from groceries to gas can quote it as high-class problems. the tone-deaf tweet is typical of a white house that minimizes for most of the problems occurring on its watch whether it's the flood of illegal immigration across our southern border or the high prices americans are c

thune: mr. president, i ask unanimous consent that i be able to complete my remarks and that senator burr also be able to complete his remarks before the vote starts. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. thune: mr. president, there are a few, quote-unquote winners under democrats' $3.5 trillion tax and spending spree. unions, for example, and electric vehicle manufacturers. but there are a lot more losers like middle-class families who will have to stretch their paychecks to cover higher inflation and higher energy bills, workers who will see jobs and opportunities shrink and farmers and ranchers. mr. president, agriculture is the lifeblood of my home state of south dakota, and so ag issues are always pretty much on my mind and i'm pretty concerned about democrats' tax and spending spree will mean forked south dakota farmers. for starters, i'm worried that democrats' bill could mean the end of some farms thanks to the bill's expansion of the death tax. now, mr. president, i have long cr

next is senator thune. >> thank you mister chairman and mister magnus, welcome. let me start by asking questions dealing with sanctuary cities. user 10 years at the california bay area next to san francisco which is a well-known actuary city that flout us immigration law and refuses hto cooperate with immigration enforcement agents. you confirm you will receive the enforcement of immigration law at our borders. do you support sanctuary cities and what message do sanctuary cities send to those seeking to enter the united states illegally. >> thank you for the question. and as the chief for two decades my first and foremost irony has always been public safety and so i appreciate how decisions around sanctuary cities are ultimately political decisions but as a police chief and certainly in this position were i to be confirmed first and primary obligation is to follow the law. that's what i've done in the past and that's what i would commit to doing goingforward . >> but the follow-up on the question senator cornyn raised this is similar i think in some respects to s

thune: in just a few minutes we're going to take another vote, just an ordinary vote senator most of us unless you're susan collins, because this next vote we're going to take in the senate will be susan collins' 8,000th consecutive vote. the leader described it. she is the cal ripken of the united states senate. he played 2,632 consecutive games and susan collins has been showing up every day for work and bringing her a-game literally since 1997. it is an extraordinarily number but what it represents is what really matters a. that's susan's work ethic, her tenacity and unshakable commitment to the people of maine. if there's one thing that the people of maine can depend on is that susan collins will be there to represent them, not just on the big days or for the big votes but every day on every single vote. mr. president, i'm also proud to stand up today and to recognize susan. susan, congratulations on this incredible milestone. you truly are the workhorse of the united states senate. here is the next 8,000. -- here is to the next 8,000. the presiding officer: the majority whip. mr

. >> senator thune. >> i've been arguing for some time that it is time for congress to act and i think the question iss always what is the correct way to do it in the right way to do it consistent with our first amendment right to freest speech. this committee doesn't have jurisdiction over the antitrust issue. that's the judiciary committee and i'm not adverse to looking at the monopolistic nature facebook and i think that's a real issue that needs to be examined and perhaps addressed as well but at least under this committee's jurisdiction there a couple of things i think we can do. i have a piece of legislation and senator blackburn and blumenthal are both co-sponsors called the filter bubble transparency a.c.t. and what it will do is give users the options to engage with social media platforms without being manipulated by the secret formulas that essentially did take the content that you see when you open up an app or log onto a web site. we also i think need to hold big tech accountable by reforming section 230 and one of best opportunities to do that in a bipartisan way is the pl

let me turn and recognize senator thune. >> thank you, mr. chair. i along with many of my colleagues are deeply concerned about the lack of transparency and limited accountability of big tech companies. consumers have becomely increasingly troubled about thee way their information is used by social media platforms and how they decide what information we see. because of the secrecy with which they protect the algorithm practices that largely continues to be consumers have little or no idea how much information they see on the sites they are visiting. i urge the these bills for the platform accountability and transparency with the pack act and filter transparency act. this would increase transparency around the content moderation for the consumers and more due process and the level gives the option to engage with and turned platforms without being manipulated by these opaque algorithms and i would like very briefly to discuss those with you today. "the wall street journal" recently revealed facebook toorithm 2018 in the efforts postoo meaningful socia

thune: thank you, mr. president. mr. president, on september 25, president biden tweeted, and i quote, my build back better agenda costs zero dollars. that's right. according to the president, a series of new, permanent entitlements and a massive expansion of government, the biggest expansion of government at least since the new deal, is going to cost zero dollars. that from the president of the united states. and the president has now been doubling down on that claim. on monday, he once again tweeted the fact of the matter is my build back better agenda costs zero. well, no, mr. president, the fact of the matter is that your build back better agenda costs $3.5 trillion at least. that's the minimum number. the committee for responsible federal budget where the president's treasury secretary served on the board before joining the administration estimates the cost at $5 trillion or more. believing -- but leaving that aside, mr. president, even if the president has been merely trying to claim that his plan is fully paid for

john thune. senator thune, it's wonderful to see you, thanks for doing this. ind have a bunch of things to tk with you about, john, but i wanted to know, so you heard the president 10 times or 20 times or 100 times say this whole thing's going to be paid for, it will have zero cost. now, if it's defeated, it will have zero cost, which would be the best option. but right now they're all, you know, puttering around. how does it get to zero cost? >> this is why you don't want to have democrats hanging your family budget, larry. it's totally phony math. they assume that with all these tax increases that because they're raising trillions of dollars of revenue, it really isn't going to cost anything. one is, it will, and two, they will add to the debt because they aren't going to come up with enough tax increases. so it's just a lot of phony math. and the fact that he's out there saying that is completely betraying the actual state of affairs in terms of what this discussion's all about. larry: yeah. for a guy that's been around washington 50 years, it's amazing how

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