that we wouldn't have these cybersecurity concerns, we have jointly agreed on former congressman john shaddock serving as the special master. cyber ninjas can ask questions about the routers and what went on there. and the congressman will consult with i.t. experts and they'll be able to provide answers to those questions. >> seems like a pretty basic principle of election integrity that the keeper of the routers and the protector of the integrity of our elections shouldn't be turning over the routers to a private organization that has absolutely no expertise in conducting audits. and that's really the premise of the rest of my questions. mr. becker, can you briefly describe how the method cyber ninjas used to count ballots differs from standard preern pr and really, what was the acceptable error rate, and what error rate is typically permissible in standard audit procedure. >> thank you, congresswoman. in general, the way audits are conducted, there isn't a established set of best practices and these were done extensively in many states, including in arizona in 2020, is that generally, there