so you take the example of jim jordan. this is a group in the freedom caucus of which i was a part initially who was very much opposed to trunk. but then they completely with the exception of justin amash who's out of congress flipped and became absolutely subservient to him. that's not a little bit of rotation on an issue based on new information or based on input from voters. it is just raw, crass pandering. and i thought it was particularly disturbing with people like meadows or jordan or mulvaney from my homestate . i remember mulvaney talking about love, if it takes shutting down the government and that's what we've got to do because this national debt is of such importance, it's a systemic threat to our civilization. we got to do whatever we can do to throw a monkeywrench in the equation . that's a viewpoint. >> he shut it down. >> the problem was only a matter of months later he becomes omb director under the from administration and completely reverses it i got into it with him. i had a bunch of committee hearings.
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