david: you grew up in various places in europe, the united states. then you went to the college of smith. phebe: yeah. david: did you study aerospace defense? phebe: [laughs] no. david: what did you study? phebe: i was a government major and philosophy minor. i got a superb liberal arts background and education. so i learned to write and think in college, two critical values. david: most people that graduate from smith probably do not wind up in the cia, would be my guess. phebe: most yeah. david: when you were interviewing for jobs at the end of your college career, did you tell people, i want to be in the cia? how did you happen to get in the cia? phebe: i had a sense of service to my nation, and it seemed a good place for me. so much in life, as you and i have talked about before, is finding place. and the agency was opening its doors to women, so it was a good opportunity for me. and i really enjoyed the service i was able to provide. david: how long were you in the cia? phebe: about four or five years. david: were you a cia agent, a spy, underco

we had a real sense of what the united states had done to save europe. david: your father was a serbian immigrant to the united states. phebe: my father's family suffered from totalitarian regimes on the fascist and communist sides and they were fortunate enough to escape during world war ii. it was their dream to come to the united states because you treasure democracy and market-based democracy and a key -- he is an avid patriot as is my mother and they imbued me with that same sense of patriotism. david: you grew up in various places in europe and united states and went to college at smith. did you study aerospace defense at smith? phebe: no. i was a government major and a philosophy minor. and i got a superb liberal arts background and education. i learned to write and to think in college. those are two critical values. david: most people that graduate from smith do not wind up in the cia would be my guess. phebe: most definitely. david: when you interview for jobs at the end of your college career, they do tell people i want to be in the cia or how

david: you eventually went to europe. gen powell: i was in europe as a young lieutenant for two years and then i worked for captain weinberger. i was the senior military assistant and we became close. after two years it was time for me to move on. they got me an assignment in germany. i was now a two star general. one day the chief of staff walks in and says, we have changed. sir, the family is packed. we are moving. mr. weinberger wants you to stay here another year. i said, and not take division? that's right. then he said something which is quite right, remember, you are here to serve and you serve where we need you. i can find division commanders anywhere. mr. weinberger wants you to stay longer. yes, sir. i went in that evening to see mr. weinberger, secretary weinberger, and he knew i was disappointed. he looked at me and said, you know, you are not going to get division. i know that disappoints you but next year you are going to get a corp and that is to divisions. 70,000 people in the fifth corps. alere later he l

david: you eventually went to europe. colin: i was in europe as a young lieutenant for two years. and then, the period you are talking about, i worked for cap weinberger. david: the secretary of defense? colin: the secretary of defense, and i was his military assistant, senior military assistant. and we became exceptionally close. and after two years, it was time for me to move on and get back in the army. and they got me an assignment in in germany where i was going to take command of a division. i was now a two star general. and one day the chief of staff walks in and says, we've changed. sir? the family is packed. we got the house sold. stuff is moving. mr. weinberger wants you to stay here for another year. i said, and not take a division? that's right. then he said something which is quite right, he says, just remember, colin, you are here to serve, and you serve where we need you. i can find division commanders anywhere. mr. weinberger, secretary of defense, wants you to stay longer. yes, sir. and then i went in that evening to see mr. weinberger, secretary weinberger. and h

president trump, and it was reported that you were probably going to become the supreme allied commander in europe, a very important position, and you emerged from that meeting as the projected chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. were you surprised that you got that position rather than the one people thought you were going to get? gen. milley: i knew when i went over there that i was interviewing to be chairman of the joint chiefs and any other position that the president deemed necessary. the first question president trump said to me, the first comment he said was, "you are here to interview to be chairman of the joint chiefs of staff." it was myself, then white house chief of staff kelly, and the president. we had an hour-long conversation. at the end he said thank you very much, and made the offer to have me be his chairman. all of us serve at the pleasure of the president. so whenever you are asked for any duty position, as a soldier, you execute the will of the president. david: so when you become the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, does your wife call you mr. chairman? your childr

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