there is also an i don't know going criminal investigation of which he is the center in georgia. i mean, like tomorrow is day one of a whole new saga in his life that i think is going to make him an unpredictable figure and i think is going to -- i think it's going to be something we all need to be very open minded about in terms of how it will change the news on a day-to-day basis. >> defendant trump officially begins tomorrow. it will be the company trump that becomes a criminal defendant, but, you know, that's what you get when you name the company after yourself. so the question becomes any other uses of the word trump in future indictments, that will be the big question tomorrow night. >> exactly, exactly. thanks, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. >>> well, this is actually why i never thought he would run for president. what will happen at 2:00 p.m. tomorrow in manhattan is exactly why i thought he would never, ever run for president. based on the kind of businessman donald trump appeared to be, always appeared to be, described by marco rubio when he was running against donal

they want to make black americans in georgia stand in long voting lines, without any access to water, because that kind of cruelty is the point. that is why donald trump thinks. some people do or deserve that for daring to vote, and daring to vote against him. when you find republicans who are troubled by donald trump's cruelty, but still voted for him, they talk about the things they agree with trump on like, tax cuts, or supreme court justices isn't bad. they invariably say something like, trump did a lot of good things. exactly what donald trump said about adolf hitler. leading off our discussion tonight, is adam serwer author of the cruelty is the point. also with us jelani cobb professor of university have journalism at columbia and an analyst. so jelani cobb i want to begin with you, the people have been following donald trump four years, and following his cruelty, they will, on both sides of this, not be surprised to hear him quoted as saying that he admires hitler for a lot of good things, he says. >> yeah, it is an extraordinary statement. on the other hand, we did not a priv

audits, recounts that were conducted in arizona, wisconsin, georgia it was recounted three times. it is clear, for those who challenge the results and questioned the integrity of the election, no other election has ever been held under such scrutiny, such high standards. the big lie is just that, a big lie. [applause] >> >> the president repeatedly focus on what he called elections subversion. the most dangerous threat to the integrity of our elections in our history. >> it's not about who gets to vote, or making it easier for voters to vote. it's about who gets to count the vote. who gets to count whether or not your vote counted at all. it is about moving from independent election administrators, who work for the people, to polarize state legislatures and partisan actors who work for political parties. to me, this is simple. this is election subversion. it is the most dangerous threat to voting in the integrity of free and fair elections in our history. >> leading off our discussion tonight are texas state legislature alex dominguez and julie johnson, both attended the meeting w

it's great that georgia is investigating him for potential violation of georgia state election laws. but he's a federal problem. he's committed federal crimes against the united states. and we need a federal solution. that looks like an indictment from the department of justice. >> i mean, 600,000 people are dead because of this guy, let's just be clear about that. david kay johnston, glenn kirchner, thank you so much for your time tonight. >>> coming up, joe biden's big populist punch at corporate power, that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ summer is a state of mind, you can visit anytime. savor your summer with lincoln. what makes new salonpas arthritis gel so good for arthritis pain? summer is a state of mind, you can visit anytime. salonpas contains the most prescribed topical pain relief ingredient. it's clinically proven, reduces inflammation and comes in original prescription strength. salonpas. it's good medicine. i don't just play someone brainy on tv - i'm an actual neuroscientist. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuri

who controls the counting room, if republicans have had that kind of power, political power in georgia and in other places, arizona, pennsylvania, these key battleground states we ulha had all trumpy successful and stealing the election. a lot of these laws have provision that would make that kind of change. i think it's under the category of, they call it election subversion, that's the new category of negotiation that these voting rights from the senate is all about. i think it's ball game, i think republicans understand that if they control the counting rooms and the counting process that is the way in which they can systematically undermined democracy in the most profound way. we saw it on display on the threat of 2020. and any bill the democrats take up in the senate or in the house or in congress or in these coming months if it doesn't address this issue it misses the point. >> before it was written, it was run before the election, long before we saw these new republican legislative proposals and zerlina, we see that george is already acting on that new law and they're basically

it's great that georgia is investigating him for a potential violation of georgia state election laws, but he's a federal problem. he is committed federal crimes against the united states and we need a federal solution. that looks like an indictment from the department of justice. >> i mean, 600,000 people are dead because of this guy. let's be clear about that. thank you both for your time tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, joe biden's big populist punch at corporate power. that's next. that's next. ywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. call today for your free decision guide. ♪ what can i du with less asthma? call today for your free decision guide. with dupixent i can du more... yardwork... teamwork... long walks.... that's how you du more, with dupixent, which helps prevent asthma attacks. dupixent is not for sudden breathing problems. it's an add-on-treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that can improve lung function for better breathing in as little as two weeks. and can reduce, or even eliminate, oral steroids. and here's som

we already know what donald trump did to try to steal the electoral votes of the state of georgia. now we have a new report of donald trump trying to steal the electoral votes of the state of arizona. if donald trump had succeeded in his criminal attempt as he put it to find votes in those states, he still would have lost to joe biden by at least 6 million votes, but he could have stolen the presidential election thanks to the electoral college. if you can pick up a few more states. georgia's fulton county's district attorney fawney willis is using a criminal grand jury to conduct the single most important investigation of donald trump in its history because it is focused on the most consequential crime donald trump has ever tried to commit. stealing the 2020 presidential election. a similar criminal investigation might be underway tonight in arizona, if only lifelong republican clint hickman had decided to answer his phone. the arizona republic reports, quote, then president donald trump tried to speak directly with the chair of the maricopa county board of supervisors in the week

when you have a conservative effort across the country, but in georgia and in other places, it doesn't stay have passed voter suppression's laws to limit people's freedom to vote. and you know the answer should be in washington, where the constitution clearly says that a new congress has the right to make or alter our federal elections. if i don't know it causes greater than doing that right now, this is the moment to get it done. >> i want to read something that politico is reporting from congressman jim clyburn. it says the biden could pick up the phone and tell joe manchin, hey, we should do a carve out. he referred to the west virginia democrat who's resisted filibuster were torn. just do it. so there is jim clyburn saying to joe biden, just do it. you have to get this rule in the senate. vents at least for voting rights legislation. >> well, you know. i would abolish the filibuster and i've come to that decision after seeing obstruction, and so many other important pieces of legislation. thanks people as you get done to help their families for childcare. to do something about clim

, for the phone call that he made to the georgia secretary of state. a phone call that we've, all, heard the tape of. we know what the grand jury is considering. you have reporting that he made more phone calls than that, including going around the attorney general. and making phone calls, directly, to u.s. attorneys around the country. is there any possibility we might ever be hearing tapes of those? >> i -- i -- there's always possibility. i mean, i think that anyone who speaks to donald trump should be, certainly, switching on their -- their phone. their iphone to tape what's going on here. i think, everybody knows -- knows that lesson. but the -- the other thing and -- and why this becomes -- this will be a somewhat of a -- of a difficult thing to prosecute is that -- is that donald trump is always on the phone. donald trump is always talking. donald trump is only half aware of what he's saying. it just -- it just spews out. it -- there -- there is no rhyme, nor reason, to it. he talks -- i mean, the georgia phone call lasted -- i can't quite remem

and, zerlina, we see a report in the "atlanta journal constitution" that georgia is already acting on that new law, and they are basically trying to pull the vote-counting process away from fulton county in a major democratic county. so the republican strategy seems to be, we don't care how many of you show up. we're going to try to suppress that. but if you do conquer us there and you show up, we're going to be counting. and when we do the counting, you're not going to like what happens. >> yeah. it's rigging the game on the front end and the back end. it's making sure that no matter what happens and no matter what wave of people show up to say, we don't want these people in office, it won't matter because you have your folks in place. it's like playing the referees. i hate the sports analogies, about you it works here, i think, in helping folks understand what's happening here. and i think, you know, i think republicans actually have overplayed their hand, and i think that the momentum is on the democratic side if the biden white house is willing to take this courageous step and be

. >> and joyce, is the information relevant to what is happening in georgia, the fulton county criminal probe into a phone call in which trump tried to pressure the georgia secretary of state, find me 10,780 votes? >> so jonathan, the interplay between the two events is pretty interesting. let me talk about one way it might be significant. prosecutors have a hard time so prove intent. was there a plan to overturn the results of a legitimate election? and something that makes it more likely it was intentional rather than an accident, if there is evidence of a repeated course of conduct, and it's actually admissible evidence, say georgia were to indict, prosecutors would offer evidence of other similar related courses of conduct, like the pressure that jump bore on the justice department, but an intentional effort to subvert the election in georgia. >> congressman swalwell, considering you have been an impeachment manager, and devised questions to ask witnesses, what kinds of questions should investigators be asking now? >> at this point, tries to understand what trump and those around hi

also have to include not just the voting rights act but the bill that raphael warnock the senator from georgia has put in that would obviate some of these terrible efforts to enable republican legislatures to overturn election results because they don't like them. put that package together and i think biden can play a very constructive role. and then i think we're really on line to get something extraordinarily important done. >> jonathan, that's what's -- that i've been following in this voting rights issue in the senate is that it is a complex, longer term game than obviously it is in the house. and it's always difficult for people to watch that and wait for the sequential elements of the game to play out. >> and people have to understand that hr-1 for the reasons norm just described is obsolete right now. it was written years ago before the 2020 election. there are two big problems. voter suppression, so everybody knows it, it's been around for a long time, and voter sub version, which is a new problem of people trying to act like they're living in a banana republic, banana republicans basi

. >> and choice, is this information relevant to what's happening down in georgia in the investigation that the fulton county criminal probe into that phone call in which trump tried to put russian georgia secretary raffensperger to, i think it was fine me 1000 thousand votes? >> so jonathan the interplay between those two events is pretty interesting, and let me talk about one way that it might be significant. prosecutors worry a lot about moving a detentions intent, what's he just saying stop for was that actually a cohesive plan to overturn the results of an election. something that makes it more likely that it was intentional rather than an accident or a stumbling was that if there's evidence of repeated conduct, it's actually admissible evidence that you could put in an insane giorgio word to indict, they could likely offer evidence of other similar related courses of conduct like this pressure that trump wanted to bear on the justice department to show that it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't unintentional but there was an intentional effort to subvert the election in georgia. >> cong

. >> and republican legislatures including georgia's for example, and texas, have been trying to formalize into their state laws what donald trump was trying to do over the phone with the attorney general by basically being able to change the outcome after the vote count, that's what they're trying to put into some of these laws. your hearing today was address something of that. >> yeah, so we have a bill that would preclude some of what the states are doing to replace the local election officials who are just counting the ballots. i mean, this has not been something that has been high profile. this has been a boring activity for centuries where you just count the ballots, now partisans are seeking apparently to take over this function and to skew the results. we can't let that happen and this bill would prevent it. we had a hearing today that was very helpful but chilling as well. because although the registrars and election officials didn't engage in hand-to-hand combat, like our brave officers testified about yesterday, they are facing off with armed militants who are seeking to subvert

and how that has been changed in georgia. that is being -- they are attempting to change that in texas. that seems to -- seem -- seems, to him, to be one of the scariest elements of this. the way republican legislatures are trying to reach in and put new controls on how they count votes. >> that's exactly right. this is the little, dirty secret in these -- in these voter-suppression laws that we see popping up across the state by these republicans. you know, they want everybody to be outraged about the fact that, you know, they're putting -- they're criminalizing giving somebody a bottle of water. but the real, real rub is that they are trying to make a determination that it's going to be republican legislatures making a determination, on which votes are counted and which are not. lawrence, that -- there is nothing about that is american. that is something that you find in -- in putin's russia. and so, this autocratic mess that we see in the republican party. i don't even recognize this other party. they love to talk about in

committees investigation, the manhattan's investigation and the grandeur investigation unfold in county georgia, studying evidence of donald trump's possible violations of infected -- election laws there by trying to interfere with the counting. joining us now is john heilemann, nbc news and nbc news fair analysts, -- john, donald trump is famously an insomniac, tonight seems like one of the nights where sleep is going to be very hard for him to come by. >> yeah, he'll be up watching don lemon, over and over again. you know i was going to say is you are going through this investigation, you and i have both been investigated a fair amount and i'm not sure whether you spend time behind bars but i have, i don't think i've never been three investigations simultaneously. i think trump has faced some bad situations and obviously the biggest problems that he no longer has a shield of the presidency and you can see him just in the way that he's dealing with the difficulty season right now, you can see how desperately he's tried to think about how he can get back into that white house so he can have the

there's also an ongoing criminal investigation of which he is the center, in georgia. i mean, this, tomorrow is a sort of day one of a whole new saga in his life. that i think is going to make him a very unpredictable figure. and i think is going to be something that we all the need to open the open minded about in terms of how it's gonna change the news on a day-to-day basis. >> defended trump really officially begins tomorrow. it'll be the company trump that becomes a criminal defendant. but that's what you get when you name the company after yourself. so, the question becomes, and the other uses of the word trump in future indictments. that will be the big question tomorrow. not >> exactly. thanks, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. hank you, rachel -- based on the kind of businessman donald trump appeared to be, always appear to be, described by marco rubio when he was running against donald trump as a con man. based on that con man a character that he so clearly seem to be, i believe that donald trump's businesses and financial affairs could not survive the kind of s

donald trump is doing, calling, you know, secretaries of state and asking them to change vote counts in georgia. there's nothing to be ashamed about. and so, i mean, one of the things that i know you want to bring to this, when you bring light to it, is that, you know, republican officeholders in states around the country would, then, be, somehow, shamed into doing something, i guess, less bad than what they were going to do. but they don't have that capacity, anymore, do they? to be shamed about what they're doing? >> no, they're not going to be shamed. but if we expose what they do, we can galvanize the people of this country to throw 'em out of office. by exposing what they do. by making people aware of how they are trying to pervert our democracy. how they are attacking our democracy. that will mobilize the people of -- of this country to participate in elections. not only at the federal level but at the state level, as well. there are more people who are in favor of a fair system. more people in favor of having a robust democracy, than supporting the minority views of the republican party.

. >> so looking at nine states, arkansas, oklahoma, georgia texas, utah, vermont, among others, all have passed legislation prohibiting school districts from enacting mask mandates. on the other hand, six states, connecticut, hawaii, new mexico, new york, virginia, and washington will require masks for k to students. who decides this, or does just everybody decide this on their own? >> what i'm noticing, that's a little different from last, year this has become a little too politicized. last year we found success when we allowed our school leaders and our health expects to make decisions, communicate with parents, build confidence, and safely reopen our schools. i think the more becomes political, the more challenging it's going to be for educational leaders who have worked extremely hard to safely reopen schools. and for our educators want to see their students in the classrooms. so let the decisions be on the shoulders of the educators and the health officials, they did it last, year and they're prepared to do with this. year >> let's talk about ventilation, you have got some money for

and later will speak with four secretaries of state and democrat ic legislatures from arizona, and georgia where already passed voting restrictions, kicking off the event, legendary civil rights icon who co founded farm workers of america. here's some of what she said yesterday to the texas democrats. >> it's happening right now, in many ways it's even more severe, it's broader, it's bigger than what was going on in the 60s. the soldiers were fighting for everybody, not just for texas, but fighting for arizona, fighting for all of those states where they are passing these laws to suppress the vote. standing up to the ideals and dreams of what america is and what america should be. >> joining us now dolores huerta civil rights activist and labor leader and co-founder with cesar chavez in 1962, dolores, not meaning to say anything about your age on tv, it's impolite, you started the agriculture a association since 1960 and been working on this since 1955 you were there at the frontlines of the civil rights fights in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 90s. it's never stopped for you. >> no, it hasn't. way

popular policy, whether you're in montana, or whether you're in washington state, or whether you're in georgia. so i think that is really the need -- the need is so great. and he's absolutely right when he says we can absolutely, and we need to, spend this money so we can give americans a way to feel different about their lives when they wake up every morning. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal thank you very much for starting us off tonight. we need your perspective on this. >> thank you. lawrence >> thank you. and joining our discussion he is executive editor of the recap where he hosts the hell and high-water podcast. and mrs. maxwell who hosts the program -- zerlina, i've got a scorecard here and we have a bipartisan agreement in the senate. one piece of this infrastructure bill. we have the left side of the democratic party in full support of what bernie sanders have managed to accomplish on the budget committee on the 3.5 trillion dollar democrats only package. you've heard from john tester, senator warner is on that budget committee. he basically represents the mentions side of the democr

popular policy, whether you're in montana or whether you're in washington state or whether you're in georgia. so i think that is really -- the need is so great, and he is absolutely right when he says, we can absolutely and we need to spend this money so we can give americans a way to feel different about their lives when they wake up every morning. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you very much for starting us off tonight. we really needed your perspective on this. really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. >>> and joining our suggestion now, john heilemann, executive editor of the recount, where he hosts the hell and high water podcast. also with us, zerlina maxwell, host of the program "zerlina" that airs on peacock. i've got my little scorecard here and we've got a bipartisan agreement in the senate on one piece of this infrastructure bill. we now have the left side of the democratic party in full support of what bernie sanders has managed to accomplish in the senate budget committee on the $3.5 trillion democrats only package. you've heard from jon tester. senato