sent a letter friday demanding a vee view of fulton county election's management, a critical step in georgia's new voting law that must take place before the state election board can overhaul a county's election board. still with us victor jaw di fran victoria and bill. the reverend said, look, democracy is in trouble. if we say it is the worst attack since the civil war, the answer has to be massive, what needs to happen here? >> we need to see a movement. it is really very much looking at the playbook of the 1960s. what was the playbook pushing over two dozen jim crow law has restricted voting across the american south? we are starting to see the same thing, chris. what we are seeing in this fight is folks going to washington. i'm going to assert my texas bias here, but i really think that the presence of the texas

republicans in georgia are actively trying to take over elections in a crucial democratic stronghold. the atlanta journal-constitution says that still with us, victoria defrancesco soto, bill kristol. pictorial, you know this, activists are capping a four-day march for democracy with a rally where you are. the reverend william barber said, look, democracies in trouble, if this is the worst attack we have seen since the civil war, this needs to be massive. what needs to happen here? >> we need to see a movement. and it's really very much looking at the playbook of the 1960s. what was that playbook? it was pushing against over two dozen jim crow laws that restrict voting across the american south. we are starting to see the same thing, chris so what we are seeing in this fight is, folks going to washington, i'm going to assert my texas bias here, but i think the presence of the texas democrats from the legislature here, has really helped keep this in the spotlight. at the same time, you see the civil disobedience, grassroots marches, with sheila jackson lee that you saw yesterday. we sa

they happened to lose the two georgia elections. they would like to have all of the energy of trump, all of the demagoguery which is successful. let's not kid ourselves, that trump engaged in, and get rid of the less attractive aspects of it. i don't think you can do that. they don't have the courage to repudiate him. they're scared of the primary challenges. one can step back and say it is unwise for them to do this. they don't think they're doing badly. does mccarthy think he's going the lose the house in 2022? no, they think republicans have a decent chance. they don't think republicans have a chance in 2024. i would say honestly they do despite the lack of repudiation. they have not paid a price. who has paid a price? liz cheney. a huge number of republicans who voted to overturn the election of january 6th, they haven't paid the price. >> let's talk a little bit, victoria, about something i hear all the time from democrats, they want to see donald trump's taxes. the doj says the irs has to release them. democrats say it is a vi

georgia senator raphael warnock says voting protections remain a democratic priority. >> i think we can walk and chew gum at the same time. we have to work on the physical infrastructure of our country and we have to work on the infrastructure of our democracy. it is the responsibility of congress to provide baseline federal standards for voting. >> we welcome back juanita toliver, veteran political strategist for progressive candidates and causes, and michael steele, former lieutenant governor of maryland and host of "the michael steele podcast, and former head of the rnc. good to see you both. speaker pelosi and leader schumer are headed to the white house tomorrow to talk about voting rights. can we expect a more aggressive push from the white house on this issue and see that it and congress can indeed walk and chew gum at the same time? >> well, the fact that the senate is already taking up revised voting rights legislation is a sign that those conversations have been happening behind closed doors, chris. so i do expect a full-throated effort from the white house to support this new

>> first of all, for georgia, a number of lessons. george peoples has to learn what's been learned over and over with donald trump, he is a one way street. and being someone who cases boots does not get you what you want no matter how much you do it. maybe george pete will learn that. the fastening thing about that, it may not even be any one of those who wins that primary race. there's a woman, supreme court justice republican, who may actually win that primary. what we have learned in this, in learned in the special election yesterday, is that went to basically trump republicans are running against each other who basically have similar issues and that's the special election, it never was a trump person running against another trump person. they had to exist seems dance on the border wall, gun, laws, abortion and very much the same. it basically shows you went to people adopt the same viewpoint and those various trump viewpoints, trump doesn't help any in the chime or -- crime in. or help doesn't come from trump. it's a republican --

there's a report in georgia today that state republican legislators want to take away election authority, from fulton county. making it harder to register, getting rid of early voting hours, is a portent, it's so anti-american, anti-democratic, but they want to change the rules, so at the end of the day congress has to act, where you're waving a white flag that says all this stuff is okay and we can just our organizer way, that's not where we are, this is the next essential threat. >> politicos been reporting how democrats have been doing the math, take for example georgia. where a voter i.d. law could impact 270,000 voters in a state that biden only won by 12,000. for what purely political point of view, how worried about these new voting law should democrats be at these midterms? >> they are to be tremendously worried. i think david is right. the democratic party is still or governing party. a lot of governing stuff takes place that we don't see. i hope that this gets passed, and some sort of federal intervention here, to standardize these laws. because this is about making it harder f

take georgia, where a voter i.d. law could impact 270,000 voters in a state biden only won by 12,000. from a purely political point of view how worried should democrats be ahead of the midterms? >> they have to be tremendously worried. i think david is right. what the president is doing, the democratic party is still a governing party. a lot of governing stuff takes place that we don't see it. and i hope that it gets passed. some sort of federal intervention here to standardize the laws. because this is about making it harder for people to vote. everything that happened on january 6 was about taking away african-american votes for the most part. all of the votes that they called illegal. they were in these inner cities where all of this stuff is supposed to have happened and really it was nothing about anything but trying to disqualify a large number of african-american voters. it is all about that. people have to realize it and fight back. >> couple of other things i want to get to. today was supposed to be the day

share my favorite memory of him, of all the conversations i had with him was at the district office, in georgia, and i traveled there with a producer who was born and raised in haiti. she is to this day hugely successful television producer. extremely well educated, but having grown up haitian was not steeped in the struggle. was not talked about the american civil rights struggle, a nation she would later call home. she forthrightly made the point to the congressman who, for the next 45 minutes, without tiring, and with joy in his heart, told her the story of the american struggle. i have seen him do it, and having worked for him for 20 years, you've seen him do it countless times. he never tired of it, never inflated his own role in it. always with modesty, but always with such great power. do i have that about right? >> you have it exactly right. that's who we was, and he wanted us to remember that. he wanted us to remember who he was and what he stood for. he wanted us to carry on, literally, he wanted us to take a look at what history was teaching us. and he wanted us to take it and teach

first stop, atlanta georgia where one witness described the obstacles the voting in georgia. >> this past year i had to go to extraordinary lengths to accomplish the simple but consequential task of passing my ballot. i, along with thousands of georgians, had to wait for hours in order to cast my vote. in fact, i had to go to the polls twice in order to vote. >> with that, let's bring in our lead off guest on this monday night. philip rucker, pulitzer prize -winning senior washington correspondent for the washington post. he is highly anticipated new book written with his colleague carole leonnig, called i alone can fix it. it generated a lot of headlines even though it doesn't come out until tomorrow and his coauthor carol leonnig will join us a bit later for a full conversation about it. also here tonight, a.b. stoddard, veteran washington journalist associated editor and columnist for real deal politics. and former -- joyce vance who spent years is a federal prosecutor and she also happens to be a cohost of the podcast sisters in law with kimberly atkinson and barbara mcquade. goo

first stop, atlanta, georgia, where one witness described the obstacles to voting in georgia. >> this past year, i had to go to extraordinary lengths to accomplish the simple but consequential task of casting my ballot. i along with thousands of georgians, had to wait for hours in order to cast my vote. in fact, i had to go to the polls twice in order to vote. >> with that, let's bring in our lead-off guests. phillip rucker, pulitzer prize winner for the "washington post," his highly anticipated new book written with his colleague called, i alone can fix it. donald trump's catastrophic final year. generating a lot of headlines, even though it doesn't come out until tomorrow. phil's co-author will join us a bit later for a full conversation about it. also with us, amy stoddard, washington journalist, for real clear politics and former u.s. attorney joyce vance. she also happens to be one of the co-hosts of the podcast sisters-in-law. good evening and welcome to you all. and phillip, i would like to begin with you and your beat. this new virus surge. let's take political consequences, t

these revelations enhanced the case in georgia where the atlanta district attorney is investigating election fraud by trump, giuliani, and others. and certainly, we've heard evidence of trump's criminal intent here, his recklessness. ivanka, according to these reports, we strive three times to haul off his troops and the president refused until it is too late. this investigation has nothing to do with the manhattan district and tierney of the trump organization. but stephanie, i believe it provides more incentive for those prosecutors to try to bring down mr. trump himself. remember, famously elk upon was brought down by tax invasion. that was far from the worst crime he had ever committed. but it was something that prosecutors could prove. so i believe manhattan district attorney will be looking at that as, well on sunday what president trump said that, after the impeachment, after both impeachments, i got worse. that's a prosecutor's worst fear, that when people are allowed to act as if they're above the law, to escape accountability, they get worse. and trump himself admitted that. >> ano

i think these revelations enhance the case in georgia where the atlanta district attorney is investigating election fraud by trump, rudy giuliani and others, and we've heard about trump's recklessness. ivanka tried three times on january 6th to get him to call off his troops and the president refused until it was too late. this investigation has nothing to do with the manhattan district attorney investigation of the trump organization. but, stephanie, i think it provides more incentive for those prosecutors to also try to bring down mr. trump himself. remember, famously, al capone was brought down by tax evasion. that was far from the worst crime that he ever committed. but it was something that prosecutors could prove. and so i think that the manhattan district attorney will be looking at that as well. on sunday president said that after the impeachment -- after both impeachments, i got worse. that's a prosecutor's worst fear. when people are allowed to act as if they were above the allow, they get worse and trump himself admitted that. >> another book with ivanka trump leaking that behin

they deleted and georgia, over 100,000 votes. the drop boxes were very late, where are they? what happened? every time the media references the election hoax, they say the fraud is unproven -- and while there is no evidence, no evidence? no evidence. there is so much evidence. >> on those very election lies, the former president keeps talking about, here's the response from one of -- >> his speech is dangerous, it's sickening, frankly. even more traveling are all those around him elected leaders, and now many in his base, who are complicit in these lies. >> still with us, our guests on callaway, and matt kaye lewis. matt, i will lead this segment was something you wrote in the daily beast. democracy works best and we have two same centrist parties. right now, we have one half of one party that fits this description. therefore, it's and everybody's best interest to encourage democrats to relate in a bit, to save themselves, and to help the gop recover from the cancer that elected trump. matt, folks at home watching who may think the democrats are way too sane, way too centered

they deleted in georgia over 100,000 votes. the drop boxes were often very late. where are they, where are they? what happened? >> every time the media references the election hoax, they say the fraud is unproven. and while there is no evidence -- no evidence? no evidence. there's so much evidence. >> on those very election lies the former president keeps talking about, here's the response from one of the members of congress who led the effort in his second impeachment. >> his speech is dangerous. it is sickening, frankly. and even more troubling are all of those around him, elected leaders and now many in his base, who are complicit in these lies. >> still with us, our guest don calloway and matt k. lewis. matt, i'm going to lead this segment with something you wrote in "the daily beast". democracy works best when we have two sane centrist parties. right now, we have one half of one party that fits this description. therefore, it's in everyone's best interest to encourage democrats to reel it in a bit, to save themselves and to help the gop recover from the cance

the degree to which there are a few courageous republicans of her november 3rd in arizona, in georgia -- they're all being attacked, and getting very little support from other republicans around the country. so the problem with -- some of the republicans, i don't know how many i believe the big lie, but others are ready to sign up to. it >> robert how will -- republicans casually believe that there is some voter fraud in the country that needs to be dealt with but the don't share the view that joe biden didn't win the election. what's a way to make this a more partisan left hurt? because at the state level, and this is getting out of control. >> i think you're going to have to see this happen really at the dnc level, at the political level. i think you saw this happen earlier in the week with vice president harris. we announcing a renewed effort at a democratic national committee to take this on as an issue, to think about how to eventually register more voters, how to fight voter suppression, how to get back into the court system. i think the challenge that you heard from bill and ot

go state to state to state, not just go to philadelphia, the birthplace of democracy but also georgia, texas, go to some of these states where voting restrictions are being put in place. white house hasn't said if that's what they're planning on. but they have to do more or see more frustration from civil rights leaders. >> susan, you've written about rise in crime and concerns about that over the country. supervised or unsupervised release from prison because of covid, lot of police retired or resigned in wake of the social justice movements of the last year. continues to be a concern. what's your takeaway from how this plays out in america? >> we did a national poll this week. number one concern on the minds of people are crime and public safety. but it is different from the kind of traditional tough on crime response we've seen in the past. much more concern about criminal justice, equal rights, equal protection and treatment by the police of people of all races than we've seen in previous iterations of concern about criminal justice -- it's complicated. people want to feel safe, h

arizona there are problems underway at the way they are conducting their recount and writing through georgia and saying they're getting directly involved in that. what kind of teeth does the justice department have been helping out those who are fighting against the erosion in voting rights? >> it sends a strong message the biden administration is behind these efforts to try and make sure that the conduits for democracy are available to all voters going forward. again i want to emphasize the courts decision last week in those arizona voting challenges will make it much more difficult for challenges to be brought under section two of the voting rights act. that's the last real provision of the voting rights act that remains to challenge restricted voter laws. you recall in 2013, it'll be county versus holder. the court gutted the preclearance requirements required states to first but any changes to their voting laws with the department of justice or a federal court. the court at that time section two would remain but the court tighten up the roles for challenges under section two of the votin

the national weather service says elsa kicked up at least one tornado in camden county along georgia's coast. winds there hit 128 miles an hour, flipping vehicles and snapping trees. luckily, no one was hurt. elsa is still on the move tonight, targeting the northeast, which has already seen its fair share of flooding rain this week. some new york city commuters were met with horrific conditions this afternoon. this is from a bronx subway. riders trying to get through waist-deep water to get to their trains. some used trash bags attempting the world's worst potato sack race. others said yolo and just went for it. downtown in manhattan at herald square, water falls coming in from ceilings inside the subway station. this commuter at penn station saw water in the subway station not falling down, but shooting up from a grate in the floor. major highways in the city were also flooded, leaving cars stuck and drivers stranded. and again, this is all before elsa brings in even more rain to the region over the next few hours. so it's time now to break out my waiters for tomorrow's commute. that'

but in texas, like in arizona, like in michigan, like in pennsylvania, like in georgia, bad things didn't happen, more people just voted. >> well, can we be really here? the real predicate about this is to stop people who quite frankly look like me from exercising their political power. and the truth of the matter is you're gonna hear more calls about a stolen election as a country over the next decade and a half who's closer to majority minority. because those playing the zero-sum racial game and those playing the tribalism game think that every political stride that people who look like me make in this country is them losing out. so until we have that real conversation about how we're all one america, you don't lose if in fact a black man is elected president. your tribe isn't losing. we're gonna have real problems. i only see this accelerating as we come closer to that moment in this country where we begin to go towards a majority, minority country and politically those trying to stop minorities and progressives from exercising their political power. >> i hope you're wrong, cornell. th

we're also going to be watching georgia, south georgia, as well as the big time flood threat expands. also, severe weather threat. we have these heavier bands that are making their way across the keys right now into southwest florida, and this is sparking up a few tornadoes that we saw earlier today. a tornado watch still remains in place for this area. the wind speeds, we do have hurricane hunters that are out right now. they only extend 20 miles but that will continue to really pick up across the cedar keys going into later this afternoon, into this evening. so, the storm still a hurricane, potentially will be downgraded because it is starting to split apart, chris, but we still have a long way to go with this flood threat. >> janessa webb, thank you so much. with that, let's bring in our lead off guest on this tuesday night, philip rucker, pulitzer prize washington correspondent for the washington post. his highly anticipated new book written with his colleague, i alone can fix it, donald trump's catastrophic final year, is due out two weeks from today. ab stoddard, veteran washing

we're also going to be watching south georgia as well as the flood threat. except flood watches to be going into place in the next few hours. also, the severe weather threat. we have these heavier bands that are making their way across the keys right now into southwest florida and this is sparking up a few tornados that we saw earlier today, a tornado watch still remains in place for this area. the wind speeds, we do have hurricane hunters that are out right now. they only extend about 20 miles, but that will continue to really pick up across cedar keys going into later this afternoon into this evening. so, the storm still a hurricane. potentially, will be downgraded because it's starting to split apart, chris, but we have a long way to do with the flood threat. >> thank you so much. >>> with that, let's bring in our leadoff guests on this tuesday night. philip rucker, southeastern washington correspondent for "the washington post." his new book "i alone can fix it" is due out two weeks from today. veteran washington journalist and associate editor for real

fraud in georgia. it is a real issue whether there will be that one big moment or not. the thought that i will leave you with in that regard, is we saw something last week from trump's lawyers that we have seen before. during the mueller report, we saw this effort to say, obstruction of justice is not an important crime. it's just a process crime. he remember that, right? obstruction is not important. last week, we heard trump lawyer saying, this is just fringe benefits stuff. nobody gets charged for fringe benefits. it's not important. now, it turns out we can see this indictment, and we understand this is not just fringe benefits, brian. this is a definitive pattern over 15 years of engaging in tax evasion schemes. for one thing, taking peoples direct compensation, instead of paying them with a check for giving them apartments, cars, other sorts of benefits. they cheated on their taxes to avoid doing that. you get what's wrong with that is a business owner. you don't get to have your of house paid fo

there are proceeders in georgia, including the call he made soliciting election fraud. we saw in the mueller report, we saw an effort to say, obstruction of justice is not important. it's just a process. obstruction, it's not important. well, last week we heard trump lawyers say this is just fringe benefit stuff. nobody gets charged for fringe benefits, it's not important, and now it turns out we can see the indictment, and it's not just fringe benefits. this is 15 years of engaging in tax evasion. and giving them apartments and cars and benefits and they cheated on their taxes to avoid doing that. so if you're a business owner, you get how wrong that is. you don't get to that in your business. vp your house paid for and claim it as a tax deduction. at bottom, what the president's name sake company was doing was a pattern of fraud, having it cheating. and having it revealed if he is prosecuted, and the attorney general and the d.a. put on the evidence, that is a come uppance of some sort. >> peter baker, the other great writer in the two great writer house hold. you cov