lerner would be looking through bars at striped sunshine. >> stoned to death. that's true. if you think about it, if that had been done to a muslim group or to most any other group, but it seems like christians and conservatives are fair game. >> they certainly have been with the irs, and it's been amazing. this one you sent recently on march 19th. obama's response toputeson almost like a saturday nigoitig live skit. you talk ukraine and we won't let you come to disneyland anymore. >> i was being flippant, but it's true. you stop and look at it, in my opinion, president obama blew it a long time ago when he said tell vladimir after the election, what does that say? like tell vladimir, i'm 9here, anything you want. that's crazy. you know something? people say, you don't like this man. i have nothing against this man, nothing at all, but i just can't -- we need leadership in this country. we don't need people who can't lead leading this country. and it's time for president obama to stand up and show some backbone. or this guy, putin, is going to run all over him

l lois lerner has taken the fifth. there are questions about whether the committee may hold her in contempt. ranking member congressman elijah cummings says errors have been made procedurally and it's not possible for the committee to hold her in contempt. are you going to get the answers you're seeking from lois lerner? >> it's time for her to be held in contempt. the legislative council has said we can move forward. they need to make this is a priority. when you have an agency that is supposed to do their job and they've been found looking into groups that they shouldn't be looking into. we found this overall and from their own admission, it's time we found that out. it's time for ms. learner's e-mails to be released. there was a discussion of all subpoenas and there seemed to be a question on what does all mean? it means give us everything we've asked for. for lois lerner to plead the fifth and come in and say she's done nothing wrong and gone on to say there's nothing she has done, that's not being honest. she want

that is something lois lerner needs to be able to testify to. this congress will never get anything done. >> mark, is a special prosecutor the answer? why not take politicians out of this? >> i agree take politicians out of this. irs is an easy target right now. there is no question what dar darrell issa is doing is making hypocritical calculations. >> we just want to know if we should have a special prosecutor. >> the only results his investigation has turned up is it has not been politically motivated. that was the ig report and it wasn't conservative groups targeted but groups that had the word "occupy" and "progressive" in their title. i don't think it warrants the taxpayer dollars that would pay for a special prosecutor. >> overwhelmingly, the number of cases that were audited were conservative ones, right? >> exactly. i kind of agree with john. i agree surprisingly with mark on this. i think this just doesn't pass the sniff test. they had 14 subpoenas. there's obviously political shenanigans going on here. anyone would be stupid not to thi

lerner. i think you can read in quotes that "years" means after the election. >> i'm not surprised you brought that one up. >> my overlooked story this week is after the and nexting of crimea, don't give it to a woman. there was an agenda that was anti-women. part of the protest line was don't have sex with those money who insist on supporting that legislation and earlier the liberian women said there would be a sex strike to encourage men to think different. sexst protest has not had an historical precedent but what is less discussed is the use of rape as a tool of war. >> again, esther's new play is called "savior," creative arts foundation. i'll be back tomorrow afternoon, 3:00 eastern. right now "disrupt" with karen finney. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? add a line, anytime, for $15 a month. low dues, great terms. let's close! new at&t mobile share val

they've seen that nothing's happened to lois lerner and the gal gall to say this will take years, no one in their right mind would put up with it. depending on how darrell issa responds to this, the grassroot are seeing him as presenting everyone with a dog and pony show. these are very serious issues obviously, ultimately possible by crimes. >> the irs said their reasoning for withholding the e-mails there might be confidential taxpayer information. it's illegal to release that stuff. what do you make of that? >> i mean, the irony of that, of course, is just mind-boggling. the issue here is that they were sending private information to left wing think tanks that they were, you know, put -- stopping the ability for them to move forward to get their 501-c3 status, claiming they don't want the privacy to be revealed is absurd. >> couldn't they keep these things confidential by releasing them to certain members or staffers on the committee? >> they may not be confidential enough. they may not trust the committee will keep it confidential. i issa has run a dishonest information. he would

>> just lois lerner's alone? >> just lois lerner. >> it would take a while. >> how long? minutes? >> there are millions of e-mails -- i don't know. i don't think it would be minutes. >> that's one of the brilliance of the e-mail system. you go in and check the sent box and the inbox and you suddenly have all the e-mails. correct? >> right. they get taken off and stored in servers and you have 90,000 employees. >> i'm asking to find one. they type in her e-mail address. >> we could find and we are, in fact, searching -- we can find lois lerner's e-mails. >> how long would that take? >> i have no idea how long. >> would it take a day? >> as i said, i have no idea. >> well, i just don't understand. you have a duly issued subpoena. if you were in the private sector and somebody was issued a subpoena and you didn't comply with it, what would happen to you? >> for this subpoena, the court would actually rule that it is far too -- >> oh, so you're going to make the determination? >> you asked the question. let me answer the question. in a court of law, if you had provided that subpoena,

>> of lois lerner e-mails? >> as i said in january we will continue because we party started the process and its import to get the e-mails in the areas i talked about them will find out about january and will continue to work as the order and priority and what is noted, let you know how many e-mails there are in the process will be. are delighted to do that. >> i don't buy that personally. i've heard from a number people talk about constituents being concerned and i assume and i believe those are accurate representations. whether they represent the entire public to me is that important. every individual member in every organization in the country deserves to feel comfortable to be treated fairly by the irs. my view is whether it be part of it is not the question. everyone feels confident comfortable dealing with the irs. >> when i go home as other members have stated including mr. lynch, what i hear is there is a deficit of trust. people feel they are being targeted not only for the tax-exempt organization, but

lois lerner says i can't do anything right now. she couldn't fix it before the 2010 midterm election. what she could do is start a project to deal with in the future and that's exactly what she did. again, weeks before the midterm election, lerner tells her colleagues let's do a c-4 project next year. she also says we need to be cautious so it is in a per se political project. in fact, the chairman put this e-mail up at our last hearing. per se political project means code for a political project, we have to make it look like it's not a political project. in early 2011, lerner orders a multitiered review of c-4 applications. you know what that is? code for we are going to delay, harass them and make it difficult. that is part of the c-4 project. and make no mistake, she put washington in charge. this e-mail is also won the chairman put up that i left needing where lois lerner 72011, tea party matter very dangerous should not have these cases. this is the cincinnati doing this is completely false. she ordered them to not have these

above reports that the former irs officials lois lerner does not disclose the use of the appropriate criteria until 2011 the year after it began. they issued the practice stop and stated that employees began using different inappropriate criteria," without management, knowledge. in contrast to the instructor general never found any evidence to support the central republican accusations in this investigation. this was directed on behalf of the white house. before the committee received a single document or interviewed one witness onto national television and said, and i quote, this was the targeting of the president's political enemies can effectively it lies about it during the election. similarly to the representative rogers, the chairman of the committee on the appropriations stated on the national television and i quote the lists out of the white house the irs was engaged in shutting down or trying to shut down the political viewpoint across the country as enemies list some time ago. the representative of the ways and means committee says, and i quote, this appears to be just the

why has anyone circled the wagons around lois lerner? >> she became the center, the focal point of initiating this particular targeting scandal and this targeting scandal. it was her leadership that presented this and she has a series of e-mails, some of which have been released, others have not been. imagine the ones that have not been what those might say but the ones that have been released showed this is politically motivated by lois lerner and people higher up than low as lerner. she was the key implemented and it did not originate and they are very hesitant, i used to work for the irs office of chief counsel. the reality is we have to be aware why congress is pushing so hard. if we don't have the real information that shows the depth and detail of what was going on we do know of this. the president made a state of the union speech on january of 2010 and within weeks action started at the irs. complaining about citizens united and the e-mails were less lerner references that. charles: one school of thought was there wasn't a direct

lerner. >> lois lerner is an individual, we're asking for all of her e-mail. we haven't received all of lois lerner'ser, e-mails, one of the things we asked for. you could have given ways and means all of lerner's e-mails in a matter of seconds. all of lois lerner's e-mails is the highest current priority of this committee and will remain so as long as i'm chairman. >> do you think darrell issa wants all of lois lerner's emails? he can have all of her emails. >> we are providing you lois lerner's e-mails with regard to issues you raised. we're working hard to get you the lois lerner e-mails. what they want is something that will take years to produce. >> years? but what are years to darrell issa? after all, his investigation into benghazi has dragged on for some 17 months. it's led nowhere and yet it is still happening. yesterday 17 democrats on the house oversight committee sent a letter to congressman issa urging him to drop the issue. "we believe it is time to end these seemingly endless and unsubstantiated political attacks," his colleagues wrote. this let

they have to be produced. >> why not give lois lerner immunity? >> we don't know what she wants immunity from. she says she's done nothing wrong. why should we have to negotiate this? she goes out and tries to plead the fifth. she leaks the information, at the center of the information, why should we grant her immunity, there's no reason to do that. she may have done something terribly wrong. she may have done nothing wrong. come talk to congress about it. >> give me a time line, congressman. i only have a couple of seconds. give me a time line. when might this contempt happen? >> the subpoena issued february 14th, yesterday march 26th, irs commissioner confirmed to the united states congress he has no intention of complying wit. we should do that as soon as we possibly can. >> keep us posted and thanks so much for joining us on the "the real story," congressman chaffetz. >> storm chaser risking their lives to get close to tornadoes have a new shield. you don't want to miss this thing. the new shield that will help them get even closer to the eye

. >> it may take years for congress to get e-mails from lois lerner. and the newlywed with who pushed her husband off of the cliff wants to change her blow. nfunny how that changes things. >> ten years to life thing. >> startling numbers for the centers of disease control and prevention. cvc one in every 68 children are identified with autism disorder. previous number is one in 88. it is a 33 percent increase over the last. we'll gr bring in dr. seigle. thank you for joining us today. nhi, elizabeth. it is a dramatic increase from 2012. you mentioned there are a number of contributing factor, you say multifactorial. and why is it. does it necessarily prove we have an increase in cases. >> elizabeth, the centers for disease control told me we don't know it is an increase in cases. it may be we are better at finding it. what is autism? we don't know what the cause of it is yet. it is a brain dysfunction that occurs and usually interfers with the ability of children to communicate and say what is on their mind. they may be zoned out or not meet your glanc

we want e-mails to and from lois lerner. now, bill, the issue becomes some of the information swapped on e-mail is confidential by statute. like your taxpayer information, they could not send us by statute without redacting it. so i'm fine setting that category aside. send me the e-mails to and from lois lerner that don't involve confidential tack payer information. start with that. >> here is the commissioner when he was asked -- >> at the rate we're going as noted by an earlier question, if you want all the categories of all the applications of everybody who's been through the c4 process for the last four years, we can do that and we will do that, but it's going to take years. bill: years? >> well, and, again, he's not reading the subpoena. if you send us four years' worth of confidential taxpayer information and you have to carefully redact all of the information, that may take a while. look, bill, you and i have previously discussed e-mails that lois lerner has sent and received that have nothing to do with private taxpa

they've been combing through lois lerner's e-mails for over a year. we subpoenaed them six months ago. we send a second subpoena last month and still he says it may take two or three years. if it takes that long we should hold not only lois lerner in contempt but him as well. >> if people are taking the fifth, what about contempt charges? is this going to move along before people have a chance to vote? i think it's important. i think these issues with the irs have silenced voices. >> i agree. we will -- i believe we will hold her in contempt and may hold john in contempt. i called just l.a. week in the "wall street journal," i called for a special prosecutor because this investigation that justice department is a sham. >> 30 seconds left. i want the last one especially. with health care, of course, the deadline march 31st getting pushed forward. that's not as big an issue to me. here's the big issue to me. nobody talks about the back end. okay. reconciling the accounting, real accounting, with insurance companies needs a back end. it's not done. is an

our goal with lois lerner was to get her to tell. we still are hoping to get her to proper through her attorney something that would be useful since she has waived her fifth amendment. she clearly testified, then took the fifth, then testified some more. we'd like her to do that, particularly because she's answering questions to the department of justice, who could put her in jail. she doesn't seem to be willing to answer questions to congress who want to get to the truth. >> right. you had a deal a couple weeks ago. what happened to that deal? have you been reproached by her attorneys? >> i don't want to say anything bad about the legal profession, but we've had claims that there would be a deal from her attorney. each time he's come in to talk about a proffer, he says she's misunderstood. her e-mails are telling of what she was doing. we'd like to know why she was doing it, what her goals are and if there is something innocent behind talking about political agenda and doing something on behalf of the sec, we'd like to have that exp

. >> fireworks on the hill as they wonder why they have handed over e-mails of lois lerner. >> she could be found in contempt of court in the near future. >> the document clearly responsive to the subpoena are clearly not committed. >> we never said we would run p. >> i am asking you yes or no? >> we are going to respond to the subpoena. >> we will talk to the justice department the guys that give us the e-mail won't give us the e-mail. >> he says it will take years to hand over the e-mails. she has taken the 5th the past two times she has testified on the hill. trey gowdy laid out what he wants to see happen next. >> this is what i would do if i was running the show. commissioner you are going to come back next wednesday and you are going to sit at the table until we get the documents. one of the reasons they don't answer the subpoenas is they don't fear any consequences. that's something i have never been able to explain to you is why we don't stand up for our institution more. >> house over site reform commission chairman daryl sighs s ice saw also threatened to hold in contempt if th

republicans demanding the irs turn over emails from lois lerner and others in the irs targeting scandal. >> we do count documents clearly responsive to a subpoena. clearly not delivered. >> when we say all, we want every single email in the time period in the subpoena that was sent to you, plain and simple. >> we have never said the fact that you didn't give you some he you don't get rest of us. >> are you going to provide the rest of the emails as indicated in this subpoena? yes or no. >> we he have never said. >> i'm asking you yes or no. >> we are going to respond to the subpoena. >> sir,. >> yes we are going to respond to the subpoena. we simply said we need to provide it to you in an order that's useful for you. >> whether you have people in positions of authority of responsibility that are are expressing overtly political commentary on government email, i think we ought to be entitled to all of them. that's why we ask for it. >> now representative trey gowdy joins us. nice to see you sir. >> yes, ma'am. >> have these emails of lois lerner been speend. >> yes, ma'am. >> how long ag

>> just lois lerner's alone? >> just lois lerner. >> it would take a while. >> how long? minutes? >> there are millions of e-mails -- i don't know. i don't think it would be minutes. >> that's one of the brilliance of the e-mail system. you go in and check the sent box and the inbox and you suddenly have all the e-mails. correct? >> right. they get taken off and stored in servers and you have 90,000 employees. >> i'm asking to find one. they type in her e-mail address. >> we could find and we are, in fact, searching -- we can find lois lerner's e-mails. >> how long would that take? >> i have no idea how long. >> would it take a day? >> as i said, i have no idea. >> well, i just don't understand. you have a duly issued subpoena. if you were in the private sector and somebody was issued a subpoena and you didn't comply with it, what would happen to you? >> for this subpoena, the court would actually rule that it is far too -- >> oh, so you're going to make the determination? >> you asked the question. let me answer the question. in a court of law, if you had provided that subpoena,

issa asked lois lerner a few questions. she invoked the fifth amendment and as stan brand said, he never gave her a direct order to answer, and he never then overruled her objection to that order which the supreme court has said is necessary. that's the necessary sequence in order to proceed to a contempt of congress case against such a witness. today, mr. boehner's office of general council of the house of representatives finally replied to the democrats and stan brand's insistence that chairman issa violated the necessary procedures for establishing a contempt of congress case. the republican council to the republican house not surprisingly said today that a contempt of congress case against lois lerner is still technically viable. so who's right? john boehner's council to the house of representatives or tip o'neill's former council to the house of representatives stan brand? i'm going with stan brand. >> the case is made clear. he's got to overrule her objection in an explicit way and give her the opportunity to comply o

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lois lerner should be held in contempt. and if john as he testified today and takes two or three years to get us the e-mails, he should be held in contempt too. that is just unbelievable that he would say it's going to take that long when we asked for these documents when may of last year. we subpoenaed them in august and sent a second subpoena last month. >> it's the same old thing, when the irs wants documents from the average citizen, you can't turn around and say it's going to take me several years, i'm very busy. congressman jordan, good to see you. >>> new developments in the custody fight of a teenager in massachusetts. for the first time, the judge in the case weighs in giving new details about justina pelletier is not back with her family and in a sudden reversal is not going back any time soon. plus hannity at the top of the hour. >> they didn't notice that the first thing that happened in the 20th century was an act of war against the united states in downtown new york and the pentagon. they really think war is o

our subpoena says all of lois lerner's e-mails. is it your position today that you intend to give us those responsive to some key search word or you intend to give us all of lois lerner's e-mails? all of holly paz's e-mails, all of william wilkins' e-mails, all of jonathan davis' e-mails? >> we are working through the process. we have never said we would not provide those. we are anxious, as i have said -- >> will you provide all of the e-mails for those four individuals? >> we will provide you -- we are actually trying to in an orderly way conclude the investigation on the determination process which is what the i.g. report reported to. we've had over 250 people at various times working on this investigation. we are producing e-mails. you will get e-mail copies today, redacted, and you will continue to get them. our hope is that you could concentrate on the determination process, gao is already at the congressional request doing a review studying a review on the examination process. as i've said in my letters to you -- >> commissi

chairman, lois lerner won't talk to us. she'll talk to the justice department because she knows that investigation. she'll talk to the people who can put her in jail and she won't talk to us and the guy who can give us the e-mails won't give us the e-mails. here's why today's hearing is so important. the c-4 rule that's being proposed that got 149,000 comments would codify what lois lerner put in to practice. would, in fact, accomplish the goal that she set out to do in 2010. the c-4 rule, we had a hearing three weeks ago, mr. chairman. we had a hearing three weeks ago where we had aclu, tea party patriots, the motorcyclists association of america and the homeschool legal defense. all four of those groups came to that hearing and you know what they all said? this rule stinks, and should be thrown out. think about that. from the aclu, to the tea party, from homeschoolers to harley riders, everyone knows this rule stinks. everyone knows, except the irs. and now today, we get a chance, finally, to question the guy in charge of

republicans demanding the irs turn over emails from lois lerner and

we want just lois lerner's e-mails. that's it. they don't have to go back to the beginning of time, just this area where targeting was going on, i think that could lead to other things, but one step at a time. when they put out blanket requests for documents that go back to the time christ walks this earth, i am joking, but they're losing their argument. i think that that is what's most important. get those e-mails. >> i agree with that, neil. and we said that back to jim jordan, and some of the people who have been helping us with this. you know, she definitely is the key. i did hear some of the testimony today, and i think i saw a congressman from the committee on fox saying they have kind of narrowed it down at the end of the hearing to let the new head of the irs know, we want you to focus on these things. neil, i don't know. when he was talking about how long it's going to take, i think there's a correlation here, neil, between how long it took for them to process our 501 c 4 applications and how long it's going to take to ge

they are grilling the irs commissioner former lois lerner's involvement on the targeting of groups. lerner not at the hearing today. she faces possible contempt of congress charges after pleading the fifth again at a hearing on march 5th. now we're hearing her e-mails may not be released for weeks. maybe years. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill for us. mike, fireworks and frustration from republican members of congress trying to get to the bottom of this irs mess. now we're talking weeks, maybe years. >> that's right, gretchen. plenty of frustration. darrell issa said irs response to targeting scandal has been dismal. the committee issued subpoenas wants all of lois lerner's e-mails from january 2009 to august of last year. today they asked the irs commission to make it happen. >> you have a dull issued subpoena, are you or are you not going to provide this committee e-mails as indicated in this subpoena. yes or no? >> we have never said we wouldn't -- >> i'm asking you yes or no. >> we're going to respond to the subpoena. >> sir. >> we are going to

they are grilling the irs commissioner former lois lerner's involvement on the targeting of groups. lerner not at the hearing today. she faces possible contempt of congress charges after pleading the fifth again at a hearing on march 5th. now we're hearing her e-mails may not be released for weeks. maybe years. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill for us. mike, fireworks

lois lerner, eventually, the truth will come out. charles: as a consumer there, i find it despicable. gold beading the major averages so far this year. what is going on? can it continue? >> do your homework and notice how the chinese continue to stimulate physical gold. there is a story there. people need to be aware of it. the people of china have made a lot of money. that is the same reason they are buying real estate in australia. same idea. charles: we have to do the varney tech tournament. today is round two. we have the big matchup. microsoft versus amazon. remember, stuart varney a huge microsoft sharer. microsoft the clear winner so far this year as far as performance. best stock right now. >> long-term, i will stick with microsoft. i think what i am seeing here from this new ceo, hes part of the significant seven, we have seen this rotation from the highfliers like amazon. i have been there, done that when amazon has gotten burned. charles: what is your take on the two? >> neither. charles: we have these brackets. you have t

no sign of lois lerner by the way who has pled the fifth. the white house is extending the deadline for signing up for obamacare again. this is the 36 delay we have seen. this one allows people who are supposedly in the process of signing up to check a box and say i need a couple more weeks and they will get into the mid-april or that is the date so far. but health and human service secretary kathleen sebelius told congress this wouldn't happen. >> are you going to delay the mandate that individuals have to buy government health care or approve a tax? >> no, sir. >> are you going delay the open enrollment beyond march 31? >> no, sir. >> allan colbs and michael graham is here. you didn't think this was a big deal? >> i think people will try to use this as a peg in the demise, but as more time goes on more people are signing up and polls are showing they like what they have when they get it. >> during it debt ceiling fight republicans said let's delay this for a year. and democrats said absolutely not. you cruel republicans how could you deny

you have got it do it and if you don't we are going to stick lois lerner on you you and your taxes. >> this guy is so rich. now, we have got two celebrities the list. bono. >> absolutely deserves it. >> he deserves it i agree with the governor. but i wouldn't have agreed three years ago. do you know what happened to bono? do you know what happened to the man? >> well, i'm aware of the one project, because i'm a part of that. i have been working with him on that for the past six years. so i'm not sure what happened three years ago. >> okay. bono, up until three years ago, was giving money, i'm going to help the poor, and he is sending it to the poor nations. they are stealing it bono wised up and i'm i'm not going it take credit for it but we did have a long conversation about it i said you are a good man but you are sending money to corrupt people who are stealing it. now bono is the big free marketplace guy. that's his message now. we will give you the money if you build infrastructure that is the key to bono. finally, angelina jolie i have no clue why this woman is on a leadership l

. >> meanwhile, lois lerner the former irs official gave a lengthy interview to doj lawyers but has refused to answer questions in congressional hearings. >> my counsel has advised me and on his advice, i will decline to answer any question on the subject matter of this hearing. >> now darrell issa and subcommittee chair jim jordan sent this letter asking for details of the doj-lerner interview and requested all documents and communications related to it. gowdy said lerner is still in hot water with lawmakers. >> i think she's on a fast track to contempt of congress. i think she waived her fifth amendment privilege when she made 17 separate factual asserti assertions. keep that in mind. >> sources say congressional hearings will resume next week with examining the irs action since may and its response to the targeting of conservative groups. >> thank you. >>> credit ratings firm fitch says the u.s. deserves to keep its aaa rating. the s & p rating remains at aa plus after a 2011 downgrade. the dow lost 28 today. the s&p 500 lost 5. for the week, the dow added 1.5%. the s&p 500 added 1.4%. t

le ler learne lerner coming out and -- >> secondly and more importantly, the reason conservative -- the only groups this had their tax status taken away were conservative groups. think of a building inspector who has brought a set of building plans and looks at them as an expert and says this building will collapse and then starts demanding that those people who presented building plans that don't follow the law, that they explain and they alter their behavior. we have seen a number of the requests for tax exempt status that were presented by conservative groups. they were not properly presented if the intent was pure and if they weren't -- >> but were all the liberal ones presented well? because if you look at the numbers the liberal, the requests have no -- >> yes, you've hit upon what i think is the key problem here is that many more of these conservative applications have problems. and the person who made the decision in cincinnati to scrutinize these is a self-described conservative republican who has said this was entirely a matter of professional judgment and his view and tha

it looks like lois lerner committed percentage. in february of 2012 she testified that she never changed the criteria for tax exempt organizations but they found a memo from june 2011 in which she directed the criteria to be changed. that sounds like purge. that's more than a smidgen. >> when i look at this obama administration, you got to look at the broad pattern here to see how much they deceive and lie, right? they never told the truth about benghazi. they deceived us on that. the president himself lied for years about obamacare. er eric holder was held for the gun smuggling in mexico. they have no cred ability at all. right up to the president they knew what was going on with the irs. they lie and deceive about everything. >> rick, i got to ask, it's a hypothetical but if this was being done by the republican administration, do you think that you would be calling for a special prosecutor with all of this evidence that's been leaking out? >> actually, i would, and this may surprise you. i actually agree with lizzy more than you

. >>> coverup, a house committee releasing a scathing report over former irs official lois lerner's involvement in the targeting scandal, is considering holding her in contempt. even without her testimony -- these e-mails from learner are the smoking gun. calling tea party groups dangerous and showing it wasn't just rogue irs workers in cincinnati, a claim the administration kept making, including the president. >> you've got an office in cincinnati in the irs office that i think for bureaucratic reasons is trying

it looks like lois lerner committed percentage. in february of 2012 she testified that she never changed the criteria for tax exempt organizations but they found a memo from june 2011 in which she directed the criteria to be changed. that sounds like purge. that's more than a smidgen. >> when i look at this obama administration, you got to look at the broad pattern here to see how much they deceive and lie, right? they never told the truth about benghazi. they deceived us on that. the president himself lied for years about obamacare. er eric holder was held for the gun smuggling in mexico. they have no cred ability at all. right up to the president they knew what was going on with the irs. they lie and deceive about everything. >> rick, i got to ask, it's a hypothetical but if this was being done by the republican administration, do you think that you would be calling for a special prosecutor with all of this evidence that's been leaking out? >> actually, i would, and this may surprise you. i actually agree with lizzy more than you

the second time lois lerner came before the committee. the first time, she pled the fifth. the president was saying there is not one smidgen of corruption leader ofhave the this division of the irs saying i cannot talk about it because i could incriminate myself. host: what happens next? guest: we're still putting together information at the government oversight committee. we are having to use the subpoena power to get information. this isd think something that both sides of the aisle in all four corners of america would be concerned about. and yet we still have a tough time getting information. my counsel to everyone who gets in trouble is be honest about what is going on. let's clear the air as soon as we can and deal with it and move on. the irs has not been as candid with the committee as we would have hoped. you are not going to see the committee give up. redirect theo focus, but i tell you our chairman is laser focused on getting the american people answers they deserve. host: representative woodall, what is next on the budget committee? guest: working through the num

it is not about defending lois lerner. this is about making sure that we are told the constitution of the united states of america -- uphold the constitution of america. people have rights thaupd constitution. chairman issa has that right. i have rights. every single citizen in our country has rights. that's what we have been trying to do. period. >> just one more time to reiterate, have you as a ranking member on the house oversight committee seen any evidence that the white house had any contact with lois lerner before the irs began scrutinizing 501-c groups? >> absolutely not. chairman issa knows that. he has called 38 witnesses and interviewed. every one of those witnesses has made it clear the white house was not involved in this and that there is month political motivation. >> all right. thank you, congressman cummings. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> all right. john boehner said again and again he wants immigration reform. but it is not hard to read between the lines and see that's not the case. why this is setting

lerner in attempt to congress the way he adjourned the hearing legally. do you still plan to move forward on contempt of congress vote on miss lerner? what is your response to mr. coupling. >> i and house counsel reject premises of mr. cummings letter. i do not agree with that analysis in any way, shape or form. i made clear more than one occasion miss lerner should testify or be held in contempt. >> will house counsel made available to press his opinion or her opinion? >> you will have to ask the appropriate people. >> you're the appropriate person though. they work for you. >> i'm sure that we will see an opinion at some point. >> mr. speaker, wouldn't, imf reforms allow ukraine to increase borrowing from the imf by $600 million which would be about 60% more than it could under the current regime. >> that may be the case but it doesn't have anything to do with the money that people are looking for. >> last question. >> on policy, cbo says that the sgr thing you're looking at would increase the number of uninsured by 13 million, increase premiums by 10 t