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starting right now on "this week" with george stephanopoulos. trump takes control. the brash billionaire dominates in conservative south carolina. >> when you win, it's beautiful. >> his secon straight win. >> let's put this thing away. >> now, no doubt, the outsider is the republican front-runner. can anyone stop him? >> south carolina has given us another remarkable result. >> the son of bar tender and maid from cuba tonight stands one step closer to being the 45th president of the united states of america. >> trump, rubio, cruz. all here live. and -- hillary squeaks by. >> the fight goes on! >> the democratic race tighter than ever. plus, apple goes to war. inside the tech giant's refusal to help the fbi unlock a terrorist's iphone.
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from abc news, it's "this week." here now, chief anchor george stephopoulos. good morning, after a crucial saturday vote in the raceor the white house, two candidates now in command. for the democrats, hillary clinton found her fire wall in nevadad the win out west, nearly six points over bernieanders puts her back in control. she heads to south carolina and super tuesday with big leads in the biggest states. and for the republicans, it's all about donald trump. his double-difficult win over marco rubio and ted cruz in south carolina, a possible delegate sweep, kills off the campaign of jeb bush. puts him in a powerful position. no republican who has won both new hampshire and south carolina has ever lost the nomination. the big question for so many in the gop today, a question unimaginable one year ago. can donald trump be stopped? he joins us live in a moment. first, jon karl brings us the results of the biggest day yet in thiscampaign.
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>> good morning, george. this is a remarkable moment in american politics. what once seemed utterly impossible is one step closer to reality. hillary clinton could be facing off against donald trump this fall for the presidency of the united states. with his big win in south carolina, donald trump took command. >> this is nothing easy about running for president. i can tell you. it's tough. it's nasty. it's mean. it's vicious. it's beautiful. [ laughter ] when you win, it's beautiful. >> reporter: trump's back-to-back victories in south carolina and new hampshire bode well for his chances on super tuesday. 11 states voting on march 1st. >> let's put this thing away. and let's make america great again. >> reporter: while trump celebrated, marco rubio narrowly edged out ted cruz for second place. both seemed to declare victory. ready to take on trump.
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and we will win the nomination. >> we are the only campaign that has beaten and can beat donald trump. >> reporter: after betting big on a south carolina comeback, jeb bush's distant fourth placed finish ended his white house bid. >> the people of iowa and new hampshire and south carolina have spoken. and i really respect their decision. so tonight, i'm suspending my campaign. >> reporter: the field won't narrow much. john kasich and ben carson are both staying in. meanwhile in nevada, hillary clinton was finally able to slow the momentum of bernie sanders. >> some may have doubted us. but we never doubted each other. >> reporter: sanders touted how quickly his campaign has closed the gap. >> we have come a very long way in nine months. it's clear to me, and i think most observers, that the wind is
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we have the momentum. [ cheers and applause ] >> back in south carolina, donald trump showed remarkable strength across the board. even winning evangelicals over ted cruz. and so far, trump has won 44 of the state's 50 delegates. the remaining six could still go his way. and the map, and the math, g g even better for him as the race goes national. by march 15, half of the delegates will have been awarded. among the statess voting on march 1st is ted cruz's home statef texas. if cruz is to have a prayer of winning e nomination, he has to win there. two weeks later, it's marco rubio's home state of florida. ifrubio is to have any chance at all, he absolutely must win that winner take all florida primary. >> no question about that. thank you, jon. let's bring it to matt dowd. you've been bullish on donald trump's odds for a long time. >> this summer, he had 16 opponents.
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now he has basically three opponents left. his odds have only improouchd the problem for the other candidates is donald trump has a clear path. a clearer path to the nomination while the otherer candidates don't. in that scenario, donald trump is the odds on. >> they've been willing to take each other on more willing than to take on donald trump. what has to happen? >> i think two things have to happen. the first, somebody else has to catch fire much better than in the past. not eyelike iowa or new hampshire. donald trump islaying the version of political jenga. he's been taking blocks out, taking blocks out, e ery thinks it will fall. atome point, it will. both things have to ppen. >> thank you, matt dowd. let's go to donald trump. congratulations on your victory. you think you have the nononation in hand? >> no. no, not at all. i'mm dealing with very talented people.
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great politicians. and ben carson still in, i understand. he's a terrific guy and talented guy. so, you know, i'm dealing wit smart people, talented people. i never take it for granted. >> you said last night, we go back to war tomorrow morning. who is your toughest competition right now? marcoubio or ted cruz? >> i think they're both tough. i think they're all tough. everybody is tough. they're all very accomplished people. i would say this. i was hit very, very hard yesterday by ted because he did two robo calls. one on the confederate flag, which was, you know, very tough and unfair. and o o on -- i guess gay marriage. and they were oneame on at 9:00 in the morning. in election day, this is something i didn't anticipate. one came on about 12:00 in the afternoon. during the election. i sa to myself, wow this is a tough business. these peoe are worse than manhattan real estate developers.
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i thought maybe theyould have a bigger effect than they did. i didn't know i would win by that much. we won every congressional district. got every single delegate. that was sort of record-setting stuff. they hit me hard with negativee ads. >> you're hitting them hard, too. you september out a retweet suggesting marco rubio might be ineligible to be president as well. do you believe that? >> i think the lawyers have to determine that. it was a retweet. not so much with marco. marco's circumstances. >> but then why retweet it? >> i think -- because i'm not sure. let people make their own determination. i think ted is being sued by somebody, having nothing to do with me, by the way. maybe it's in new york. >> you're not sure that marco rubio is eligible to run for president?
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i have never looked at it. i haveever look at it. somebody said he's not. i retweeted it. i have 14 million people between twitter, facebook, instagram. i retweet things. we start dialogue. it's interesting. maybe that's why i have 14 million people. >> do you think as you get on the path for the nomination, yougre the clear front-runner right now? you're in command of the race, you're going have to be more careful about the kind of things you say andweet snrnlgts i didn't know i was going to win by so much yesterday.y. you didn't either. nobody thought i would win by that much. that was bigger than the tollspolls. the polls said three or four points. i won by ten. they said i wou get some of the congressional districts. i had no idea i would win by that much. certainly after the robocall i never thought so. >> think the republican establishment might close ranks and come down hard try to block
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if they do, is it still possible you would run as an independent? >> i don't think that is much of a possibility. i don't think i'm being treated fairly by the rnc. every time i walk into a debate. i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm not getting money from the special interests, the big drug companies. everybody else is. everybody on both sides. i walk in and they@have all special interests, lobbyists, donors. sitting in the room. i don't have any of that. i walk in, it's dead silence except for my wife and kids. these guys walk in, they say something that is stupid or not even good and they get standing ovations every time they open their mouth. itit very unfair in terms of the dedetes, i think. i think i had my best debate last time. some people don't. some pple think the new york values debate was better. i was being hit from all sides. it's very unfair when a room is so stacked. >> if you win, sit a hostile takeover of the gop? >> no.
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i was a member of the establishment of the gop. i say proudly. i gave $350,000 to the republican governor's association. before i ran. before june 16th. and i gave tremendous aptsmounts of money to people in the republican party. i gave to everybody. i was very establishment. once i ran,they said, what's going on? that's not supposed to happen. they like to control the people, the senators, the congressmen. so when they go to military awards or pharmaceutical awards, they make sure they get it. i'm going to do what's right for the country. as a self-funder, i'm the only one. i'll do what's right. it's certainly different. that will be good for the party. because we're going win the election. two polls came out recent where i beat hillary clinton and i beat bernie sanders. i don't think bernie sanders will be the problem. i think hillary will be the one
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unless she has legal problem. >> you told me monthsgo you would release your tax r@turns. "the wall street journal" editorial page came out yesterday and said mr. trump should release his records before super tuesday. he should be eager to release them for public scrutiny. will you release them by super tuesday? > no, i won't. we're working on them. they're massive. let me tell you about "the wall street journal." i have no respect for them. they've taken me on so much. it's so ridiculous. every day, editorials. bad editorials. they had a poll come out. i said they should fire the pollsters and the editorial staff. anymore. if you look at their polls, one day and two day, two polls
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they turned out to be so wrong. that theyy should honestly, they should fire their pollster. so i don't care what "the wall street journal" says. if anything, i wld do the opposite. that will turn out the be more correct. >> so no release before you're a nominee? >> at some point. we're going talk about it. at some point. we'll release. why is there such a rush? i released my financial statements. which are much more important. and everybody was amazed at how big and how great the company is. much biggege than they thought. great company. very little debt. tremendous cash flow. some of the best assets in the world. that's the kind of thinking the united states needs now. because our country is in financial trouble and military trouble. we're in every kind of trouble, you can have. our country is a mess. we're going strengthen the border. do all of the things you and i have been talking about for a long time now, george. it will be great. >> mr. trump, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you very much.
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number two finisher in south carolina. senator marco rubio. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> we heard donald trump say he's not sure you're eligible to run for president. your response? >> well, this is -- look this is a pattern. game he plays. he says something that is edgy and outrageous. the media flocks and covers it. and nobody else can get any coverage on anything else. that worked when there are 15 people running for president. that doesn't work now. i'm going to spend zero time on his thoughts on eligibility. this country faces a very significant and important choice in 2016. and it needs to be made in a serious way. the consequences are extraordinary if we get this election wrong. republicans need to elect someone who unify the party, grow the party, and win this election. that's why i'm asking people to
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to on my website, marco and sign up to support the effort. >> one note that mitt romney may be set to enzors youdorse you? is that trtr? >> i have spoken to him. he's not set to endorse me. if hewere, we would not be announcing it on the huffington post. i would love to have his endorsement. >> his top strategist, stewart stooechbs, is in "the new york times" this morning taking a shot at your campmpgn. it's crazy that nobody else is trying to win but trump. rubio is not going after the person who is winning. i've nevereen campaign that seems as satisfied to not go after the leader. is it time to take on mr. trump directly? >> this is not an election like others up to this point. seven, eight people dividing up 70% of the vote.
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$40 million going after me. you can only take on so many people at one time. this is not about going after donald trump. it isn't. pepele want to obsess about that. >> he is the front-runner. >> it's about who is the most capable -- he's the front-runner when you have seven people running. 70% of republicans nationally are saying i'm not willing to vote for donald trump. once the number narrows, we'll be closer. we have to nominate someone that can take our message to newew people, and that can win. someone that is going win in november. we cannot lose this election. i give our party the chance to nominate someone as conservative as anyone in the race. i am a conservative that can unite us. can grow this party. and can ultimately win in november. that's the argument we're going make. if there are differences between me and donald trump on policy,
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talk about those. >> bottom line is he qualified, if your view, to be commander in chief? can you support him if he's the nominee? >> well, i'm going to support the republican nominee because what the democrats are offering is so horrific. i will say this. i don't$ believe he's exhibited an understanding of foreign policy,hich is the most important job of the commander in chief. to say i'm going to surround myself with smart people, that's not enough. you, yourself, have to make judgments. you have to undedetand these things. on the day he becomes are the, i become president, whoever becomes president, the world is not going to wait until you catch up before they start testing you. you better understand these from day one. our next predent has to be something to bring this country together. some level of unity. not unanimity. but unity.
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i'll be. i'll be a president for all americans. even those who do not aagree with me. i think that is very important given what we have faced in the last seven years and howow divisive barack obama has been. >> where do you win? >> well, when we get to the winner-take-all states we have to start winning. they award all the delegates to one person. we're going to be doingng national campaign. i'm in tennessee today. then arkansas. wewe finish in nevada. tomorrow more of the same. we're competing everywhere. the way this process works for people that are watching, these states are awarding delegates proportionate proportionately. come mar 15th, if you win a state, you get all of their delegates. we'll be in real good shape for that. >> and florida is must win? >> i think that is true for ern in the race. it's always been true. we feel real good about florida.
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i have a lot of admiration for governor bush. we shared supporters. now that he's suspends his campaign, i think that boosts us not just in florida, but ohio. and other key places. >> senator rubio, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. and we're joined now by the man who came in third in south carolina. senator ted cruz joins us. thank you for joining us this morning. you said you defied expectations last night. how is a third place finish defying expectations? >> we hav been through the first three primary states. we won iowa with baia margin. came in third in new hampshire. in a state where they said a conservative could not do well in a moderate new england state. last night, we effectively tied. there is now only one strong conservative remaining in this race that can win.
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do well in the first four states. and con sol dade conservatives to go forrd into super tuesday. i think we're positioned eye deal liely to d that. >> your base. trump won them over. how do you explain that? doesn't it bode ill for you on super tuesday? >> well, listen. donald trump has proven to be a formidable candidate. one of the things the first three states have shown is there is only one campaign that has beaten enen or can beat donald trump. 70% don't believe trump is the right candidate to go head to head with hillary clinton and beat her in november. one of the things we're seeing coming out of last night is people are recognizing, okay, if we want to beat trump, cruz is the only one who can do it. he's the only one who has done it. part of the reason is, george, you cannot beat trump coming from the lelt. you cannot beat trump with a candidate who supports amnesty.
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the you come at the left to trump,ou will lose. the only way to beat trump is with a strong proven constitutional conservative. that's why we have had 980,000 contributions at people across the country are saying, we need to have a real conservative. i think south carolina will only accelerate that process. >> you have been making that case. it's not wk something far. donald trump won new hampshire. won south carolina yesterday by a large margin. no republican who has won both of those has ever been denied the nomination. are you going to be up to having to make a new and tougher case against donald trump? and what is it? >> look, a primary is an ongoing conversation. everyone in the media saidrump would win iowa. we, then, had the largest turnout. earned more votes in iowa than any republican in history. last night, one of the most encourages results, our campaign
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we won young people in iowa. two states in a row that we won young people. new hampshire, we were in second place with young people. you want to talk about where the excitement, the energy is, young people want a brighter future. they want jobs. they want their konks constitution -- consistent tugt constitutional r rhts protected. marco was endorsed by the popular governor and senator and congressman of this state. all the establishment circled their wags around marco. me still only came in second. frankly, if i had done that in iowa, look in iowa, we had the heavy hitters come behind our campaign. if he had come in second or third, you guys would have barbecued us for having all the big hitter behind us and not winning. we won iowa. even though all the big hitters were behind one of our opponents
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effectively tied for second. what we're doing is unifying consertives. >> that may be true. as long as you and marco rubio are going after each other, doesn't that give donald trump a clear path? >> that's a great question. donald devotes all his time and energy, money, to attacking me. that demonstrates that donald sees me as the only real threat to him and for thatmatter, marco devotes all of his time and energy to attacking me as well. he's been unwilling or afraid or for whenever reason, he won't take on trump. if you want to beat donald trump jourks to go with the only campaign that has demonstrated we can beat donald trump. i'll tell you, going into super tuesday, i think we're positioned, nine days from today, to have an amazing day. our base on the ground is
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listen, republicans want a real conservative. they don't want someone like donald trump who supported john kerry, jimmy carter, hillary clinton. supported the wall street bailouts. the obama stimulus. they want, instead, someone who will s snd up to the washington deals. >> we'll be watching. senatoto cruz, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you, george. much more ahead with the power house rou table. and rins previs. is he prepare frd a brokered win? (vo) if you have type 2 diabetes, you may know what it's like to deal with high... and low blood sugar. januvia (sitagliptpt) is a once-daily pill that, along with diet and exercisese helps lower blood sugar. januvia works when your blood sugar is high and works less when your blood sugar is low, because it works by enhancing your body's own ability to lower blood sugar.
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we have heard from the accounteds. joined now by the chair of the republican party, reince priebus. i was struck by a number in the exit pols. more than half of south carolina voters feel betrayed by the republican party. they voted in big numbers for donald trump. is his success an indictment of the party you lead? >> no, i don't think so, george. you look at all the exit polls, i think people are sick and tired of p@litics in general. sick and tired of washington, d.c. and i think, just actually sick and tired of all of both parties. i think it's just a general feeling out there that's real. wouldn't deny it. but, obviously, all these folks are fighting to be the nominee. and spokesperson of our party. we're going to be there to support whoever that nomin is. ? you talk about a spokes person
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talk about donald trump. just this week, he said president bush lied about weapons of mass destruction. at's what many called a liberal left position. he was called unchristian by the pope. he supported democrats much of his adult life. are you really prepared to have him as spokesperson foror the republican party and to lead a convention that nominates him? >> if the delegates, you know, get accumulated in such way that any one of these candidates becomes the nominee, it's our job to support that nominee. and we will. we're prepared to support whoever the nominee becomes. i think it's early in the ocess. when the time comes, when we're setting either before cleveland or at cleveland or when ever that point may come, and we have a presumptivenominee. the rnc will join in with the nominee and put together the biggest ground gam and data
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you know we've made incredible strides at the rnc in becoming far more prepared today than we were four years ago. so yes, we will support the nominee. to me, it's no mf brainer. >> a lot of top reasonpublicans % think that's going to break the party apart. >> winning is the anti-dote to a lot of things. if we win in november, the armchair quarterbacks will fall in line. they'll be pleased if we win in november. who the nominee is going to be is not my choice. obvisly, we're going support whoever that is. >> you could play a big role if no nominee goes in with enough delegates before the convention to win on the first ballot. you have said it's early in the process the. but are you prepare forward brokered convention? are you planning for it?
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>> we're prepared for anything. ii was general counsel for two years before i was chairman of the part i've been chairman for six years. i don't think there are toop people more familiar with the procedures of nomining someone at a convention than i am. so, i am prepared. and we'll be prepared if that happens. but again, i don't think that will be the case. if it did, then, of course, obviously, it would be pretty historic. but we'll be ready. >> mr. chairman, thank you for your time this morning. >> you bet. thanks, george. "roundtable" is up next. and am doublepple doubles down. we're live with their top lawyer. and later, the power house puzzler. bought you to by voya financial. vern frorovoya? yep, vern from voyoy why are you orange? that's a little weird. really? that's the weird part in this scenario?o?
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as we head into super tuday. we're going to have a third of the delegates selected by the end of that evening. donald trump will have majority of the delegates most likely. the question for the republican party is, how do we get folks out of this race so somebody can accumulate enough delegates at a convention to beat him? >> you have jeb bush out of the racecealex. it look like john kasich and ben carson w wl stay in. you have three solid candidates no matter what. they're still going to be dividing a lot of the vote. >> what if donald trump is already stopped? he's hardened a vote around himself that is intense. will walk through ice storms to vote. but he's also hardened a lot of vovo against himself. jeb bush drops out of the race. a lot of that vote goes to rubio. rubio is close to trump in states like virginia, north
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if cruz wins texas. rubio wins in other states and goes into florida. wins that. what if there's a romney endorsement? rubio may have won the nomination last night. >> the problem with that, alex, what you have described is three men splittttg the delegates a third a third and a third. and in that scenario, this thing is going to go much, much longer. and you have scenario where we're in the convention, potentially. >> i think there's a premise in that that i don't think we have been proven yet. when you win, your ceiling usually goes up. when you start winning, more voters start being more available to you. i think donald trump, as of tomorrow morning is going start looking across the landscape. his numbers in the states that were already high will rise because he won. >> democrats prepared for race against donald trump? >> you know, give us any of them. but donald trump, which is such great contrast with what
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the democratic side. donald trump being anti-mexican, anti-muslim, anti-woman, anti-immigrant, anti-science. and hillary clinton putting together this coalition that look like america. it's an -- it will be an incredible contrast. he is now the face of the republican party. i hear these guys desperately hoping that that's not going to be the case. but donald strump now thetrump is now the face of the republican party. they've made their bed. they have to lie in it. >> you had more candidates in 2008. so what they should be focusing on right now is yes, you have, stop complaining about bernie sanders being this the race. you needdim in the race because you need media attention. you need a lotf folks paying 'tension. they should be driving hard. registration, registration, registration. i don't understand why they're not spending massive amount of
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2.1 million eligible unregistered hispanics. nearly 1 million folks in georgia alone that are unregistered. that's where they should be. it will be a turnout game for em in ohio and florida. >> one of the things we learned yesterday. calm a couple of things. the establishment force in the democratic party is stronger than the establishment force in the republican party. the establishment force was able to stop bernie sanders yesterday. the two dominant players from yesterday, hillary clinton and donald trump, are incredibly flaud continues. hillary clinton is not doing well with younger voters. distrusted by the ma yort majority of the country. disliked by the majority of the country. donald trumpl, distrusted and disliked by the majority of the country. >> let me pick up on the first point. this has been remarkable. this grumbling among republican establishment.
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not many willing to stand up and do something about it. is this that's right. you have not s sn much money spent against him to date. and, what's more s, i think the challenges -- we haven't been ableleo get behind an alternative. there's no evidence that ted cruz will get out. marco rubio is on the ascent. john kasich believes he has a fire wall in michiga and ohio. unless we call the field to one alternative, donald trump may not be stopped. >> that's not the problem. >> donald trump -- >> from a delegate map perspective, yes, roland, it is a problem. >> i think donald trump is plutonium. it can fuel your business but it can also kill you. and they lee him alone. and there's a good argument to do that because he may capped. the way to run against donald trump is to run against hillary clinton. is to a generational race. leave him behind. he may be stuck where he is.
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for the last six months and he's running away with the nomination. >> george this is their problem, this is thehe problem, they invited evil in and d w evil is taking over. okay. 2009, the night of obama's inauguration, we will stop him as every turn. they love the tea party ang person they took advantage of it. they said, we can ctrol it the. we can harness it. now all of a sudden, trump is taking advantage of it. the republican establishment has to say, we played with fire. now it's about to consume us. >> they havav to accept some blame. >> donald trump is going to take over. >> i don't think the establishment has played with tire.. it looks more like a hostile takeover. donald trump is nonknot a conservative. >> why did they like his burter against obama?
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if the republicans accepted his fund-raising prowess in 2012? >> we've told america that our principles are only good for saying no and telling people what they can't do. there's a democratic party that is offering more of the same old failure. washington hasn't done enough. a republican party that can only say no to everytying. the american people are furious on both ends. they want to throw verything out. the failure belongs to both parties. >> i agree with alex. what created donald trump is both party establishments. the country feeling lying the institution that exists in washington doesn't work for anybody. certainly doesn't work for the working class of the country. that's the same thing thatt created bernie sanders. >> only 4% of thehe republican superpac money is spent attacking donald trump. u have had total hands off. ross dellpat from the new york sometimes said this is the way to attack donald trump.
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having created stuff like, trump mortgage. go after the people that were hurt. his base. those who wept on -- >> it hasn't been done. >> you have not -- >> political ads in this -- >> he's got -- he's making ties in china. >> one at a time. >> political ads in this campaign have not worked. the voters in the republican paent don't have all the information? they have the information. he's done more toake himself than any other candidate and he continues to win. the problem is, until this race, i agree with sara. until this race goes to a one-on-one race. and it may never go to a one-on-one race, donald trump wins. >> don't try to blame the democrats for this one. the republicans loved the anger when it helped them in the midterms. they don't like it now. >> voters know these candidates. this has been national campaign. we're exhausted with them.
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what is going to change it may be winning a momentum or gee geometry geometry. kbt candidates falling out. >> here's the challenge moving forward. i don't believe donald trump will ultimately be the nominee. it may be a bloody fight on the convention floor. >> is that a dream? >> it may be a bloody fiteght on the convention floor. whoever does represent the party in november needs to figure out how the harness his supporters. that will be very challenged. >> donald trump represents 60 million frustrated americans. we talk about it lik it's a weird thing over there. he represents a huge chunk of the american public. they're trying to vent how they feel. their frustration and anger. >> you're not saying 50 million, 60 million will vote for trump? >> if donald trump is the republican nominee --
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they're ticked off at america changing in terms of how we look, becoming a majority-minority country. they're ticked off. those same voters at some point, need to say, i was the one who screwed up because i kept voting for some folks. they also have to say, hold on, hold on. that's the mistake we make.. we want to -- we want to hold everybody accountable except for candidates. i would sasa oh, john wayne, donald trump is my man. show me how that man has cared about a republican voter over his career? no, no, no. >> i was going to say in the general lex, when you put donald trump's experience in foreign policy and in going and doing that against hillary clinton's, she'll have a chance to pull over a lot of independent voters. second -- wait, wait. last night, last night, if you asked people in nevada what their number one issue is, they
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she won those voters enormously because she has since new hampshire, started to focus her message on what is causing people to be -- have barriers. >> i have to call time. i have to call time. >> 650,000 voted in south carolina. >> that was great. this is going to continue. we have to come back. when we come back, apple on h hot seat. should they help the fbi unlock a terrorist's cell phone.
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lawyer. we're seeing many more people involvevein terrorist situations using peer to peer communications. itives us grave concern. >> on your smartphone today, your iphone. there's likely health ininrmation. intimate conversations with your family. and you should have the ability to protect it. and, the only way we kw how to do that is to encrypt it. >> apple and google are their own sheriffs. they're aing like teenagers, saying no one can tell me what to do. >> that battle between apple and the fbi ramped up big-time this week when the fbi asked a judge to force apple to help them unlock the iphone of the san bernardino terrorist. we're joined by the lawyer who will be making apple's case. ted olson. mr. olson, , ank you for joining
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the justice department had tough words for apple. this is not about privacy and security but apple's concern for its business model and public brand marketing rategy. how do you respond? >> we have the greatest respect for the justice department and the fbi for their goals and their motivations. we would hope we would goat the same respect and understanding back. this san extremely important debate about privacy, civil liberties and so forth. we want, and apple has helped the fbi in this investigationn every way the law required. but it has to draw the line at re-creating coco. changing its iphone, putting its engineers and creative talents to destroy the iphone as it exists. apple has a responsibility to maintain the trust and faith of miions of people who are
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product that protects their privacy, their intimate persona life. this is a pandora's box. we're not just talking about one magistrate. there are hundreds of magistrates. hundreds of other courts. and there'so limit to what the government could reqeqre apple to do if it succeeds this way. we're before a judge. the judge hasn't decided yet. we're filing briefs lp there will be arguments. this is a process that even the fbi director has recognized is an important national debate. the law doesn't require apple to do what the fbi is asking so far. congress hasn't addressed the issue. apple is adhering to the trust of its millions of iphone purchasers. >> how far does this principle extend? would am be a posing this
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>> apple cooperates in every way possible. if you were asked or your network were asked to create a program to use your talents to ensnare a kidnapper, a criminal, a money-launderer, or a terrorist, you would have the responsibility to resist that unless and until there's l@gal authority that requires you to do that. apple respects the law. but the -- this very issue was debated, fbi director c cey who i know and respect great deal said there should be a debate. congress should maybe do mething about this. the government decided not to submit that legislation to congress. it needs to be done. we're waiting for a court to hear the issues and decide this thing. there's a -- a matter -- this is not just one magistrate in san bernardino. ere are judges all over the country. and foreign governments. people in foreign countries that will be very, v vy susceptible
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applean be forced to change its iphone, to resign its iphone. it's cooperated in every way it can with respect to the powers that it has. it's resisted changing the system that people have trusted. >> how far is apple willing to take this fight? will the executives be willing to go the jail, be held in contempt? >> i don't want to get ahead of the judicial branch. there's a magistrate yesterdayt t t have a hearing. i'm sure if it rulesn our favor, t government will appeal. if it rules against apple, an appeal. ultimately, possibly, to the united states supreme urt. we're not talking about contempt of court. we're talking about respecting the fact that a court hasn't really ruled yet. and congress has decided not to enter into this area and not to require apple to do what is basically, essentially very
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require apple to comeply with these types of court orders a over the world. damaging your personal, financial privacy, health records. where your children are. the implications are very important. step back and good for you for having us on your program. we need to debate these isises. remember, terrorists wish to change our lives. they wish to take away our civil liberties. we can't surrender our civil liberties and gigi the terrorists victory that they actually seek. we had a revolutionary war over general writs supplied by the king. we have to stick to principles. >> we're joined by john miller, the nypd's deputy commissioner. mr. solsen said, this is going to affect everyby. your response? >> um, mr. olsen is not a good american.
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he served his country adds solicitor yen in the justice department. he's been a first andment lawyer in other cases. but, remember, the client here, apple. this case is entirely overstated. the giant parade of terribles, if we get into the terrorist's phone and find out there's a message in it that tips us off to two other terrorists and a plot here in new york city, that's on me, george. so that's's important. that the parade of terribles, which is suddenly the government will seize everybody's health records, go through the private information and give it away to theorld is absush. up until september 14th, apple held the key to its own code. they held it in apple haad quarters. when somebody showed up with a search warran signed bay federal judge or some other lawful authority. apple took the key, opened it up, prqvided it.
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answer to something. sit possible for apple to tailor something for this phone in that way they can then destroy it so it's not reply kabl? >> that's the absurdthing. what the justice department asked for is for's toll go into its own lab, its own offices, find a feature that can bypass the thing that will destroy all the information in the phone after ten false tries on the code, and toake that and then throw it away and hand the phone back to the fbi with a couple of features that allows them to try codes on it. this phone, a government-owned phone that belonged to two dead people who have no privacy rights who are in the middle of a frift investigation. i don't know w we're still
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>> we'll have to revisit that is all for us foed. check out "world news" tonight. i'll see you tomorrow on "gma." good morning, good morning, hello, my name isatricia rodriguez. good morning governor, counsel, and
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