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same thing. >> another example of little money you can substantially rusz reduce the >> 2022. this is aspecial meeting of the building of inspection commission . i would like to remind everyone to please yourself if you're not speakingand the first item on the agenda is rollcall president mccarthy . [rollcall] i believe he's on the call. can you check, monique?
the building inspection commission acknowledges that ancestral land of the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula. as the indigenous stewards of this land and in accordance with their traditions they have not lost or forgotten their responsibilities as stewards of thisplace as well as for old people who reside in their traditional territories . i guess we recognize we benefit from living and workingon their traditional homeland . we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors an relatives of the community and affirming their sovereign rights as first first people . >> thank you. for members of the public listening in to today's meetin , the public comment call in number is 415-655-0001 and the
access code is 2493 542 0514. to raise your hand press start 3 bite whenprompted by the moderator . and next agenda item is item 2, discussion and possible action on a proposed budget of the department of building inspection for fiscal years 2022, 2023 and 2023 2024. >> deputy thomas. >> chair: youcan unmute yourself . >> good morning everyone. may i share myscreen ? >> chair: it shouldbe coming shortly now .
our proposed budget with our revenues and our expenditures so let's get started. i'll publicly stop in each section to ask for questions because it may beeasier to answerquestions because we're going to a variety of different subjects until the end . let's get startedwith our budget basics . so here are just some budget basics . this is the year from july to june to july of one year to june of the following year they city is on a two-year cycle. fiscal year 2624, on the fiscal year 2223 budget was already approved in july with year, two year cycle and it serves for the new budget cycle that we're discussing right now. dbi must hold two of these
budget hearings included in the charter and in addition to that there's city legislation that requires all other departments to connect a year or two ago to actually hold to budget hearings because we already have our budget hearings we are able to say budget hearings but the focus of the first should be on providinginformation , giving a little background information . i'm talking about what the priorities are in and put in feedback from the public if anyone would like to give the information on the budget and then the second budget hearing is i believe the citywide budget legislation so i'm focused on more of the details. we actually emerged both of those because our budget requirements require that there's actually both times so you also have some detail in this budget.
so financial updates. basically dbi is a specialty fund department funded by our fees. we have three primary, four primary sources charging for services, that's most of our license fees, interests and then expenditure recoveries. the first charges for services are our largest revenue source. we have over 330 in this category and it makes up the departments revenue . so if we look here we will see a 10 year operating revenue comparison and the blue line shows october revenues. you can see how it's fluctuated and of course that big drop in 2019 i'm sorry, 2021 because of covid and the orange line shows pretty much the charges for service which impact charges and services over our budget reports that we've got total
revenues impacted by the revenues. >> excuse me deputy director medicine. is there a way that you could just enlarge to have one of your powerpoint's showing? i received a message that it's easier to see with just because it'sshowing like a big presentation and a small one . >> let me go to that. i don't know whyit's not showing . >> if i made miss neville. you just need toshare the other screen . you're sharing your preview mode. you may be able to see one of the screens as a full screen. you just need toshare that screen >> let me find it .
thesecharges will have on our total revenues . so next we have a revenue and expansion comparison. this basically shows the red line are the total revenues that we saw. i mean the total revenues that you saw on the prior slide and initial is our expenditures over the past 10 years and what you can see is that basically over the past three years our revenues began to decline or have declined and our expenditures are actually increased. so we have next year fiscal 2122 is our current fiscal year so these projections were based on oursix month data . ordinarily a lot of the prior-year information but because it was an anomaly with because of the covid-19 we're focusing on just looking at th
prior-year . so here are our six month actual protections. last we had our january meetin that did not present our six month report because i wanted to send it here . once again, it's kind of serves as the base of where were going to be going with our revenues because you can see the charges that i talked about before , the main revenue source for charges were about $40 million so our total would be about $53 million in the current fiscal year. and for expenditures we intend to expand about $80 million. these are preliminary especially on the interim side because these other department workorders, a lot of billing we
will see more savings on this end and the same with workorders. these are very preliminary. we normally get up nine-month report to get a better understanding of what the currentyear revenues are and make adjustments from their . so before i move on to the next topic, and that will be more budget instruction going on 22, 23, are there any questions about the current year on our projections and where we are financially rightnow ? >> i'll just open it up to my fellow commissioners. >> thank you deputy director. for your communication. i wanted to clarify with the current budget that we are not having anystaffing impacts, is
that correct ? >> that is correct. >> that's all for me right now. >> any other questions? i will move on. now we get into the actual 2223 2324 budget. the proposed budget. the mayor's office provides instructions in december for this upcoming budget. the mayor's office is collecting $180 million surplus over the next two fiscal years that's citywide . due to revenue growth and also retirement savings because of the deficits in our retirement fundaccount , and constraints on costs approved but although the mayor's office is projecting a $200 billion surplus, risk and uncertainties remain . therefore there will be no general fund cuts this year but also those departments are
expected to not also increase their budgets. now of course we are a special fund department, overall the types of revenues that we have so those instructions don't necessarily apply to us but the mayor's office was clear to say that in the special fund departments you have to make sure that you balance with them your revenue streams. so the priorities for the mayor this year will be restoring vibrancy in san francisco, focus on public safety, on neighborhoodcleanups, those sorts of things . recovering the local economy . we're going to prioritize to improve poor service delivery aswell as deliver accountability and equity in programming services . and of course, our goals and priorities aligned with the mayor's office so basically our budget is based on our strategic plan goals of reviewing plans and issuing funding .
actually performing inspections. high level of customer service, and limiting effective administration practices as well as actively engaging the public and educating the public about dbi so that's what our most recentstrategic plan and that's what our budget is based on , meeting those goals as well as aligning with the mayor because the mayors but presentation to all the city departments, the focus the mayor wants to get back to his back to basics and improving facilities. that's been something and in fact doing that, stressing doing that within your existing revenues. so not trying to expand or use an existing funding and really focusing on core services. so the way were going to do that is staffing andtraining . technology improvements. equity efforts and also education and outreach.
i'll go into details when we go over the specifics of where this is included in ourbudget . so let's look at our revenues. when we talk about our revenues how they have been declining, it looks like we're flattening out a little bit so we're not actually going any lowerthan year 2021 so that's good news . the bad news is that are not anywhere near where we were in prior years. i think in order to go back to $66 million revenue you have to go back tomaybe fiscal year 1112 or something like that . so here when you look at our revenue details, i talkedabout the types of revenues we have . so we've received license fees, department license fees. interest is a big deal. we're going down by about $1.4 billion as recently as 23 years ago we were collecting $4 billion in interest alone so
that really is having an impact on our revenues then of course all the numbers, those are all are charged services, all of our seeds and as you can see there are over 30 of them but the big ones are land checking revenues and because of the growth and what we're seeing from the low of last year and also because this budget was really a low-budget because we didn't know that we were bumping those revenues up to $21 million. our second largest revenue building permits, you'll see almost $2 million. were going to bump that up to $10.7 million. these two revenues make up 50 percent pretty much when you see charges for service fluctuations because of the fluctuation in these two . and once again, we're trying to be somewhat conservative because we haven't really been at this level in years either.
normally wear at about 30 million, 20 million here and 13, 14 to 15 million here we just don't know at this point in time what the uncertainties that the mayor is concerned about, talk about with making sure that you kind of stay within your current year budget for circumstance that we face so we are increasing it. where about$57 million . and then we go to our expenditures. not on it the expenditure side we will see that we're going up by about$2 million. about $91 million . thisis probably , i want to if you're looking at what was posted and given to you on friday, it has gone up slightly to 91. i think before it's maybe a $1.4 million, 1.8 million and thesame with the revenues . they have been 55 something, it's gone up slightly to cause
as we get more information can update you. so this is the latest right now. you'll see salary is primarily our largest expenditure and then to go down to the next largest you'll have interdepartmental services and those are the work orders. so that's the amount of moneywe pay to other departments for services provided to dbi or provided on behalf of dvi . so here's a summary of the changes. wetalked about the revenues already . $4 million increase in revenue and almost $2 million in building permit revenues . however, $1 million decrease in interest as an impact on us. on expenditures, the reason you see those increases are primarily because of any realizations and what those are last year during the budget we normally go to the board and the board's budget analyst will normally review our budgets and
make some cuts. in the areas of calories where they didn't actually cut provisions because of hiring, because of lower hiring through covid we were anticipating hiring certain positions until september or october of that fiscal year so they basically reduced the funding and maybe funded the position instead of a full fte maybe .5. and now in thiscurrent year .5 fte has been brought back up again. that's why you see an increase their .we have the next largest increase would be almost $200,000 in salary and that's when we talk about our funding priorities so in salaries , our funding priorities are of course filling of vacant positions. we want to work on improving publicservices and also working on reforms .
we're going to make sure we continue to fund the biggest positions. intraining we will be working on departmentwide training for everyone . and in safety, just this fiscal year we hired department internal safety officers so the safety office is coming with an entirely new take the training for departmentwide staff. we have departmentwide customer service training that we will beimplementing . we started some of them in the current year but we're going to expand that throughout the department also departmentwide racial equity training and in addition we will be focusing on job pacific professional development so maybe some specific training for someone in specific classes. that's what that increase is. in professional services, there is an increase of about67,000 professional services." before technology expense , or expanded outreach and strategic
planning so we talked about education and outreach so we're going to be focusing a lot on working on that over the next fiscal year. butthe technology improvements , there are varieties that have beengoing on with that . one of the projects is actually updating the pts. the reason you don't see an impact on the numbers here is because we have object funding that already is available. that has started this project before sowe're hoping to use that same project funding for that . so that's why you don't see a larger increase in professiona services section . for materials and supplies once again $70,000 increase in that for safety supplies and for computer supplies and there may be some code books and other things wehave to purchase . then of course as i said before our work order budget is the
single largest expenditure at $26 billion. so far we see a slight increase because of training, because in addition to outside training hr provides a variety of training for instance supervisory training and all types of training so we will see an increase so that we can have more coverage andmore training for our staff . so here's at last year's budget meetings, the commission had requested some information about our workforce causes such a largeportion of our budget . this is just showing the trend of the reports. we talked about this lastyear. at 15 and 16 we were about 12 million, now we are at 26 million . we will be talking to the mayor's office as well as some of the other city departments
because going forward getting given the fact ofour revenues that we have now , our expenses and anticipation of what our revenues would be over the next two years we will need to start making some cuts to some of our expenses and we want to start here of course because we want to make sure that we are not paying for morethan we actually need . so that's going to be a focus this fiscal year the mayor's office as well as the departments inlooking at ways to reduce this . but we didn't discuss, so we're at 57 million in expenditures so let me go backwards. we're at $57 million inrevenue . but we're at $91 million in expenses so what does that mean? the good news is that we have reserves andwe have fund balance . so we've had that when we were
during the good times when we were spending less and bringing in more too. so we have a few contingency reserves of about $41 million. then we alsohave a fund balance of about $6 million . now, in the fee contingency reserves , we are a budgeted this year to spend about $20 million of that. $26 billion of that to balance in the current year. i know we had discussions about what our current fund balances butthe issue is that it fluctuates . we know don't know what our true fund balance is that's available until we end this current fiscal year. until we are slated to lose about $26 million the fact that we're going to look likewe have savings in our expenditures , i'll go back to that. it looks like we will have 6.2
million in extra revenue was at about 3.3 million in expenditures. if that pans out then we would needthe full $26 million to balance so that means itwill leave more money in our fund balance . but based on where we are right now , we probably have enough money to balance or the next 2 fiscal years and that's why we are going to be working this fiscal year to try to bring down this into departmental services budget is at this point, beyond this fiscal year and probably next fiscal year we would not have theamount , if our revenues remain thesame , we will not have enough funding to cover our expenses.
there is another option. after about a year or two we lowered our fees drastically in fiscal year 2016 and we were slated to do a study in 20. however that was in order to see if it's time to raise our fees again. however that in the middle of a pandemic so we didn't want to do anything with it at that point in time but over the next two years we will need to do a new study to make sure we are right by our fees. in addition to that we want to do right by our fees but we want to be cognizant of the mayor's or at least over this next year or two the mayor trying to make it as easy as possible particularly for small businesses to lower the cost so that's why he didn't want to jump into raising fees automatically . going to be looking at these expenditures and where also
going to be over the next two years doing the fee study. arethere any questions about any of this ?>> the work order, can you give us an indication as to what kind of reductions you're going to be in search of? >> unfortunately i'm not clear on what we can, what the reductions will be.we will be talking particularly to the larger ones. digital services, admin, fire. those places have seen what's included going over everything that's going to include all those costs applicable going forward. so that's what we're going to be doing. for instance the city attorney and actually a city attorney lowered the work order last
year based on prior spending. and we believe that our spending is still a little bit lowerwith the city attorney so hopefully we will be able to lower that one to . at this point i would think 2223 there will be an amount that it will go down by. this will be a two-year process because you can go from zero one year to a two-year process but that's what's going to be most of the work when we submit our budget. between now and submitting the budget and even during the negotiation time. we haven't received a lot of the work order request from the department so we have been able to have those discussions but that's going to be something we will be working on as i understand it they would come to you with the recommendations on reduction from the different departments, that's the reques
. >> the first is they would come to us with a recommendation but it will have to be tbi. we don't know if this is still applicable anymore so there can be a recommendation thatwe can discuss . are these things covered by db still for the baby covered by dbi ? it will be more of a back-and-forth. >> all right. i'm glad to seethose conversationshappening . one other question . these right sides of the fee, that's the terminology. correct me if i'm wrong, the last time we did that it was recommended. so what happens if it comes back tothe reduction again . >> now using that our expenses are and 90 million but the
actual new money is 56 million there were just a lot of projects that happened, all those projects and we collected a lot of money when the fee study was conducted they kind of looked at that one time and used that reduction. so yes, at a minimum some fees were raised by seven percent but somewere reduced by what he, 50 percent . so yes. once again, i think going forward because our expenses have actually gone up somuch , i wouldn't anticipate there being a fee reduction. i wouldn't anticipate that.
>> so unclear, your analysis is that we have in the coffers right now to sustain what we have going forwardif we never did any changes , if we had no help there on the work order line item, we are two years, is that correct? >> if we don't do something about our expenditures and if our revenues don't go up past $57 million we're at about maybe this budgetcycle this year . >> okay. have you seen it before? >> i'm sorry, it's been a while since i've seen. >> that kind of reduction in the possibility, it's been a
while since we've seen that kind of low revenue. i don'tremember everseeing that number before . >> the revenues are at fiscal year 1112 . so i think it's a combination of a variety of things. it's a combination of lower fees because even though we lowered our fees in 2015 16, if you filed a permit prior tothat , you still were able, we were still collecting issuance fees and those fees on thehigher fees . it's also based on that plan checking revenue we discussed, those two major revenues, those are based on valuation and we seem you wish and in the permits go down and we've also seen a number of permits going down so it's been a variety of things that have happened over these past three years or so. >> what was the reduction last year that the city attorney made on the work order or just
do you have that number? >> there weren't really any reductions in the work order last year. thereweren't any reductions in the work order last year . i do think when we did our year end report at the end of 2021 there were savings.so the budget itself wasn't reduced but because there was so much money saved was almost $7 million in savings at the end of last fiscal year. a lot of that had to do with money we put aside for the move and part of thatwhich is other savings to that's what we are going to be doing to . when we talk to departments they may say we need the fall next number but if we can still historically over the past two or three years even from a strictly on an expenditurebasis , that would be the first place we want to say we should cut to go to what your actual savings
because historically there have been savings over multiple years from work orders. it's just that last year it was a huge amount that wassaved . so they didn't reduce the budget but they didn't expand the total amountand that has happened a lot . >> that translates into less, okay. even though it's not really genuinely a decision that was made to feel that some of the work order requirements.okay, got you. and yes, okay. i'm good for now, thank you. sorrycommissioners, didn't mean to all that time . any other fellow commissioners? thank you. >> i noticed that the assessor's office line items over the time ran it shown on the chart, what kind of
purposes are meant by their and what they have caused that increase? >> the growth in the number of, so this order pays for appraisers. and these are the appraisers who go out and do construction permits. and for any permits. normally what happens is once you do construction or even if you do any major construction, there's a reappraisal. and dbi has been paying for the appraisals that go do that. and the number has grown from x number of appraisers do now there are 4 appraisers over two years so that will be a conversation that we will be having with the assessor's office .>> so forgive my
ignorance on that but that reappraisal changes the amount of property taxes that the assessors reported so it seems more of their job function and dbi's job function in that respect. is that an unfair assessment? >> well, we will talk to the assessor's office about that. some of the work orders that are in dbi's budget work negotiated more at a higher citywide level. now we're going to try to actually have the negotiations between the department that we're actually funding . >> thank you for that. >> sure. is there anymore, commissioner . >> thank you. i am working at the abandoned building or vacant building fee
and it seems it's $800 to register a vacant building and i'm curious why ourassessment is so low . they're saying about $5000? help me understand. >> it is extremely low. it was even lower before. during a pandemic we were doing this.some of this is based on actual collection. we haven't been collecting this fee. i know it's about to start up again so we haven'tgone back andbumped it up yet . but before , it was enacted and then we were going to get started. it's right in the middle of the pandemic and that was going to be a double whammy . this may be an area once again where we go in ifwe're starting up again . originally we had budgeted $100,000 in our budget but that actual was very low.
i'll be working with code enforcement division and start enforcing it and what would that revenue force be like so maybe that can get bumped up again but that would be very low there. >> that makes sense, thanks for that. there's definitely more than five. thank you for that.and that makes some sense. when i think about economic vibrancy and neighborhood issues like the number of buildings and the blight that that's caused within our neighborhoods i think that aligns well with the goals. i'm curious, i find the code enforcement fees very low or fine, i'm not sure how to assess them or what we call it.
i am very interested in looking at the fee assessment and maybe structuring our fees and the waythe assessment is done is important .thank you for giving us that information about how it was done last time, when it was lowered. there has to be a nexus but it seems like the nexus is done and it would be something specifics but is that something that we can look at? what is the process for assessing fines that the department makes whether it's violation ? >> so on the fine side, we've been using sometimes it's three times, four times, nine times and it isn't related to the fee of the cost. that penalty is something i think code enforcement, the
department in general as well as the city attorney have to look at because now we're not talking about cost. when we did the fee study that was just a cost and you have to make sure someone is paying more for the actual permits. the penalties have been a little bit different. that's more a conversation with city attorneys internally with the code enforcement to right side those. >> to repeat, there is no nexu requirements . the fine and that's assessed. we can kind of make an assessment or change thecommunityharmwesee oryouknow, wecanhelpcreatethatp olicy.
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>> in regard to the work order, which is what we need to focus on to look down the road to try to getrelease their , are you getting many requests now for new work orders or is that something that happens at a certain time of the year or do we need alist as to how that process works ? >> we haven'treceived any new
requests . i have received requests saying we need to review this or do that. i have let others know that we're not actually interested in increasing work orders. when that comes to my mind we're trying to reduce as many work orders as possible but normally what will happen is a lot of times before we will submit a budget schedule in a minute but we're scheduled to submit our budget to the mayor's office february 22 and normally thework order discussions happen after that . so the departmentswill start making their request . sometimes the request between the department they may not meet that request. they may make the request to the mayor's office but they will make their requests and
people will make requests, departments will make requests during that time. then we kind of find out about it during that time that we discuss it in the budget and so a lot of what you see by the end, by the time we submit the budget will not be what ultimately comes to the final budget. that's just the first phase of thebudget you're approving to get tothe mayor's office and begin negotiations that will happen during that time . so far , it's not a new request. justgiving a heads up , this is increasing it by this and i've basically said not at this point looking to increase any work orders. >> thank you, numbersdon't lie .
so just any work order that is agreed orapproved on, is it my understanding it has to get yoursignature or the director's signature ? if it's approved ? >> there is a work order agreement butnot all of these work orders agreements . some of these are budgeted and many times but we get back to that. many times there's a budget but the agreements don't come until after it's been placed in the budget and some situations i'm getting agreements for the currentfiscal year. for signatures . >> ... writes, i've got it. thank you. i'm sorry for the commissioners, anymore questions ? please, what's your next item?
>> here are the next steps for thebudget. we're going to incorporate any feedback . if the commission has anything that they're interested in including in the budget and want to incorporate that orif the public has any information , we've, just to movethrough about this we want to work with the department. our departments to adjust our work orders we want to focus on that. we're going to conduct a second budget hearing . were going to continue to monitor and revise and meet our revenues. i'm really hoping that the first six months this fiscal year that we're using it as a base because a variety of things that were going to see and take so we really would love to increase the new revenues coming inthat will help us in our budget balancing and of course we're going to
once balance the budget. werelooking at existing project funds and i mentioned earlier . we have permit tracking projects that already have funded we can use that . we will be looking at unbalanced so thoseare the next steps of what will be happening. and here's a specific schedule of what's to come . we are here. these are all the things that occurred before this meeting but we are here at our first budget meeting . we submit our budget to the controller and mayor on the 22nd. from march until april there will be budget negotiations and updates. that's where we will be updating the revenue because by then we will have nine months and that's where hoping to update the expenses particularly on the work orders. the reason you're seeing this march to april is because this year we're actually submitting. where one of the main departments.
ordinarily departments go to every two years. some departments areable to go maybe once, where an early departments are budget is going to the board . and the mayor will submit our budget to the board of supervisors on may 1 and then we will have hearings . they haven't been scheduled yet in may and then finally the whole budget gets adopted by the end of july.so the only other, we have and this is the budget organization and we can do more of this in the next week's hearing. this is just the way the budget is actually laid out .we have three major permit services, inspection services in administration and these are allthe other subdivisions that are under it . and next week i can show you. we will show revenues open up
by fees and expenditures just so we can get more details on where we are in the budget . that's all i have and i'm happy to answer anyadditional questions . >> any further commissioner questions? just one minute. well done. >> should i stop sharing? >> you can stop sharing, thank you.commissioner mccarthy had trouble getting back intothe meeting. he should be in the meeting now. president mccarthy, can you
hear us ? i think he's trying to. you can hear us?he can hear you okay. >> thank you. >> i'm sorry, i took care of it i believe. okay, thanks. >> you are on you now. >> are there any commissioner,, anymorecommissionercomments on the budget ? if not i will go to public comment . if there is there any public
comment on the budget item mark thank you. and then regarding the question commissioners about the boat, i checked with deputy city attorney kaplan and he said there are two budget hearings required but both actually take place at the february 10meeting . then it has to be five people. i think that's the super majority, it has to be a voteof five . >> sonia, can we talk about the base? >> it's separate and at 3 pm. >>. [inaudible] >> i might have to leave early. or come late to pick up my kid
between three and four. but i'll be able to be moved >> thank you for that . >> any other comments president mccarthy or commissioners? >> i think we are good, sonia. >> there was nopublic comment andour next item is the adjournment . is there a motion to adjourn ? >> so moved. >> second. >> all commissioners in favor. thank you, we are now adjourned. and it is 12:00 pm exactly thank you everyone . >>
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