tv American Indian Heritage Month Celebration SFGTV November 18, 2021 5:30pm-9:31pm PST
[music] >> and the office of mayor london breed would like to welcome you all to the american indian heritage celebration. my name is ariana. i was born and raised here in san francisco american indian community. i currently work at the california consortium and serve on the board of directors of the american indians of san francisco. i have the immense honor of being your masters of ceremony this evening.
[cheering and applause] >> before we get into our program, i want to acknowledge mr. tom phillips, who could not be here this evening but i attended this event for almost my entire life and i remember seeing mr. phillips as the emcee here every year. it's an honor to follow in his footsteps. [cheering and applause] >> i know i have a couple years to get up to his caliber as an emcee but i'm going to do my best tonight. at this time, we would like to acknowledge that we are on the unceded land of the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula. in accordance with their tradition, they have never seeded, loss, or forgot their responsibility as the caretakers
of this place and all people that reside in their traditional territory. we recognize we benefit from living on their homeland. we honor the relatives and elders of the community and recognize their sovereign right as first peoples. now i want to introduce -- for our opening prayer. >> i just want to open up with a prayer for everyone. we've all been through trying times and i just want to ask the ancestors of this land that we know of for the ancestors and ask them for permission to share our songs and open up with a
prayer. for the ancestors, i ask your permission to be able to share what we have tonight with all goodness, with love, kindness. [speaking indigenous language] >> for this beautiful gathering and those who participated in making it happen, for those who will participate, all those who came to honor us as native people from all over this world and for this land, our ancestral land as native people. i ask you to continue to bless and watch over everyone, continue to watch over and give good health and protect everyone from all harm and danger and we ask that you bring your sweet spirit down so that we can enjoy one another with the laughter and the happiness and the stories. i ask tonight that everyone that
walks in this building that you will protect them, you will watch over and guide them and help them to understand our way of life. >> thank you for that beautiful opening prayer. with that, it's time to bring our dancers in for our grand entry. i know you were all standing but please stand if you are able and we will go into our grand entry. all nations, please take it away.
>> let's have a round of applause for our singers and our dancers. beautiful singing, beautiful dancing. [applause] >> we will see more of them later in the program. thank you dancers for sharing that with us and thank you singers for being here. at this time, i would like to call up my mentor and executive director of the american indian cultural center san francisco to offer a few opening remarks. [cheering and applause]
[speaking indigenous language] >> thank you arianna for being our emcee tonight. we wanted to acknowledge that usually this time of year tom is here with us and he's been our emcee for a very long time. he is not able to be here, but we wanted to acknowledge tom and just send him good spirits and if you all could around of applause for tom phillips. [applause] >> thank you. it's an honor for me to be up here in front of you as your host here tonight. i want to thank all those that made this happen tonight. it's been a really tough year for -- well, year and a half for all of us throughout covid-19.
this is a special time for us because we're able to come together and be together and hear these songs and hear these prayers and just honor our community. i just want to say i feel really blessed that we get to do that today. i also want to thank the all nations drum for being here tonight. if we could get a round of applause for all nations drum. [cheering and applause] >> all nations has been performing for us every year, so it's really special to have them here tonight. also, for all of our dancers, if we can give a round of applause for all of our dancers, a big oh for our california dancers. [cheering and applause] >> tonight is going to be very special as we're going to be honoring the american indian cultural center advisory committee. can i see the hands of where our advisory committee is
[applause] >> it's very special to be able to honor them tonight. as executive director of the american indian cultural center, i wouldn't be able to do this work without their guidance, their input, and all of their historical knowledge of the american indian center and all the work they have done to make sure the american indian community is visible here in san francisco. i just want to thank them and it's exciting to honor them tonight. i also want to shout-out to twice as good tonight. we have them here performing. so after -- yes, after tonight, we'll be able to hear some good music from them. i also want to remind everybody because of covid-19, we ask that you do keep your mask on, you practice social distancing, and unfortunately we're not able to have food this year, but we have
a dessert for you on the way out. we want to thank verna for that from friendship house. thank you. [applause] >> as i look around, i want to thank everybody here. i see so many people who have supported the american indian community here and i want to say thank you. i am really excited for tonight. i see the american indian health center here, friendship house here, the american indian cultural district, indian ed, so just want to say hello to everybody and thank you for being here. i am going to hand the mic over the arianna who will introduce the mayor. >> thank you april for taking time to share those words with us. as many of you know, it's difficult advocating for our community, advocating for our people at a government level,
whether it's local, state, or federal. it's not something that is easy for us to do. we try, but it gets easier when we have elected officials that will go to vat for our community. in san francisco, we're lucky to have elected officials that do such thing. at this time i have the great honor of calling up mayor london breed to give a few remarks. thank you so much for being here with us this evening. [cheering and applause] >> thank you so much. it is really great to see so many people back at city hall and it is especially delightful to celebrate american indian heritage month in san francisco. [cheering and applause]
>> we know the disparity that has existed with this community for far too long. that's why it's important for me here in san francisco to make a very powerful statement. when this community came together and advocated for resources, the city made an unprecedented investment of $3.9 million to help -- [cheering] >> to help with various organizations, businesses, health and wealth and disparities that exist in this community. it wasn't what the city said we wanted to do, it was what this community said that they wanted to see. [cheering and applause] >> and as someone who come from a community where sometimes people aren't listening, it is so important that we as elected leaders, we open our ears and
listen with our hearts and understand the challenges and make the appropriate investment. our president joe biden just held the first tribal nations summit in the white house in this country. [cheering] >> one of the first american indians is serving as secretary of the interior in this country. [cheering] >> extraordinary gains, but we know that there is so much more work to do. just recently i met with a number of people to talk about a building, a historic building that centers around heritage, culture, housing, a place here potentially in the american indian historic district and i am committed to doing everything
i can to spot this -- support this endeavor so the american indian cultural center april, has a place to call home. [cheering and applause] >> there is a lot of power when we come together. there is a lot of power and love in this room for transformative change. so i am looking forward to continuing the work that we know has to be done for that transformative change. april knows that i, myself use to run a cultural center. i know how hard it is to bring people together, to create great events like this, but i also understand that it is important that we continue to do this, that we continue to up lift our community, that we continue to support and up lift our artists,
that we maintain a lot of those traditions that need to be passed on to the next generation. so today, as we celebrate here in city hall, we acknowledge that. we acknowledge what we need to continue to do every single year to empower and support this community. i want to thank you for allowing me the opportunity to be a part of it. it is truly my honor. april, i want to -- at this time, on behalf of the city and county of san francisco, present you with a certificate officially declaring it american indian heritage month in the city and county of san francisco. thank you all so much. [cheering and applause]
>> at this time, we want to honor the american indian advisory committee. so we want to ask them all to come up here. [applause] >> the american indian advisory committee has been a key component in our community for helping establish the american indian cultural center as a virtual center. they played a key part in establishing an american indian cultural district here in san francisco, so we're here to honor them here today. if you like, we can have you stay down here. it's up to you if you can come up here. okay. come on up. i just want to be mindful. >> so the american indian cultural center will be honoring
you today with an award and some gifts. i would like to share that with you. can you bring up the awards? so everyone on the american indian cultural center advisory committee has played a huge part in making our cultural center what it is now. it is a virtual center and they played an immense role in getting us to where we are today. i'm just going to read the certificate of recognition that each of our committee members will be receiving today. so it reads, to celebrate american indian heritage month and in honor of your years and in some cases decades of work on behalf of the american indian cultural center of the san francisco bay area for your dedication -- on behalf of the
american indian cultural center for your work on international indigenous communities and tribal communities. we the board of directors and excoup uhtive director of the american indian cultural center acknowledge and declare today november 18, 2021, american indian advisory council day and honor all american indian cultural advisory board who advanced our effort to create a new cultural center for the san francisco bay area. we honor and give thanks for your kinship, knowledge, and leadership that has led to a virtual cultural center with an achievable vision and achievable plan for a space for the next seven generations. thank you for your stewardship. [cheering and applause] >> the american indian cultural center would like to recognize
honoree is randy burns who could not be here unfortunately be that doesn't mean we can't give him a round of applause. [applause] >> in addition to the certificate and necklaces, the staff also obtained these beautiful shaws for all our honorees so we will take a moment to shawl everyone. ls fo honorees so we will take a moment to shawl everyone. >> as many of you know, but some may not, every tribe has their own tradition and customs for honoring someone. intertribal communities, we do the best of what we know and what we got. in our way, we honor with gifts
however many months it's been has hit our community so hard. our community, unfortunately we lost a lot of local heroes this past year, but it doesn't mean we can't take the time to honor them. that's what we want to do at this time. we want to honor three amazing local heroes who we unfortunately lost, but their legacy continues to live on. i will go ahead and read their bios. i will call up their families at this time, so can i please have the family make your way up as i continue reading their bios. so violent, who was a staff member there and was known as a powerful community elder. she was a member of the tribe. violent dedicated 25 years of her life to the american indian
health center. for several of those years, she worked as a clinical director of the family and child guidance, the behavioral health department. her commitment to the community was so strong and evident that even when violet retired, she arranged her schedule so she could continue work one full day a week, packing her schedule with six or seven clients each day. we remember her wisdom, loving smile, warmth, sense of humor and love for her family and daughter. please give a round of applause for violet as we present her family with a certificate from the american indian cultural center. [applause] >> we're also honoring janet king, who we lost earlier this year. it is with love and honor that we remember janet king who was
of the tribe of north carolina. she was many things to many people, a friend, daughter, mother, sister, community keeper, leader, mentor, and elder. in her life, as well as in her work, she was warm, gentle, and clear and supported individuals across all spectrums. she was a pillar for our community who advocated for the rights and benefits of native american people and educated staff members, lawmakers and funders on topics ranging from historical trauma to culturally specific interventions. the native community is saddened by janet's untimely passing and will continue the work she pursued. the lessons she taught us are also with us. [applause] >> our third local hero is helen
wakazu. we were deeply saddened by the loss of a great leader. she is from the navajo nation. her legacy lives on today. she was the chief executive officer of a residential substance abuse organization for american indian that she cofounded in 1963. the c.e.o. of n.a.c. and helen were married for almost 40 years. she was the beloved wife, mother, grandmother, great grandmother, and aunty. she was motivated by compassion and helped people who lost their way in life to find it. through their work, people connected to what had been lost. helen had a twinkle in her eye and made you feel like you are your best self, even if you didn't know her very well. she reminded us that our ancestors planted seeds and
paved way for us to continue. at this time, the staff will be presenting the families of these individuals with a certificate that i will read at this time. [applause] >> the certificate reads, to celebrate american indian heritage month and in honor of the years and decades of work on behalf of the american indian community of the san francisco bay area, intertribal communities and international indigenous communities, we the board of directors and executive director of the american indian cultural center acknowledge a lifetime of work and dedication across indian country whose efforts advance the attention to the lack of healthcare and health disparities for the american indian people in california. we give thanks to their leadership for laying the
>> at this time, we're going to give the families each a moment to speak on the legacy that their loved ones create in this world. first we're going to the family of violet. >> instead, martin wakazu will speak for violet. [applause] >> thank you, my name is martin. i first met violet in the mid '70s. she was a heck of a softball player, but she always had that one quality in her, inside her. she was always a positive
person, always encouraging others, talking positively, but her culture, her family and her friends. she worked for the american indian health center for 25 years. 25 years, a quarter of a century. her perseverance, courage, and compassion was evident in any interaction she had with a client as a therapist. on behalf of the american indian health center and violet's family, thank you american indian cultural district. >> cultural center. >> we're the same thing. >> okay. [applause] >> thank you marty for those words. now we're going to call up helen's daughter crystal to share a few words.
>> good evening everyone. okay, on behalf of my family, i would like to thank mayor london breed, the american indian cultural center and the city of san francisco for recognizing our mom for her contribution to the native community in the san francisco bay area. my mom was born on the navajo reservation. she came to san francisco at age 18 after a government boarding school in utah. she worked as a housekeeper and nanny, a retail store stock clerk, pricing and stocking dolls and airline safety equipment maker and tester at c.j. henry and volunteering for the church. she participated in gatherings at the american indian center, where she and others transplanted here after boarding school formed a small, but
tight-knit community. she worked as the friendship house receptionist and bookkeeper and then c.e.o. she dedicated her life's work to the friendship house. senator mark leno called it the jewel on jewel avenue. she helped others reconnect with their spirituality and reuniting families. mom would say, what else would i want to do with my life? after mom's passing, governor gavin newsom wrote us and said it's hard to measure just how much of an impact she has had on our city and the state of california, but the thousands of healthy and recovered families are any indication, it's one that will be felt for generations to come. she would love that. mom's love for her people was pure and genuine, as was her
love for the city of san francisco. while she was born in new mexico. she considered the san francisco bay area her home. we are truly thankful to all of you, the mayor, the american indian cultural center, the beautiful native american people, and my mom would enthusiastically say first nations, the lovely dancers that always made her so proud and mostly to her city of san francisco. we appreciate your honoring our phenomenal mom's memory and continuing her legacy. [applause] >> we would now like to pass the mic to the daughter of janet king, if you would like to share a few words. >> hi, my name is coralee.
janet is my mom. i want to say thank you to the american indian cultural center for giving her this honor today. i think that, you know, my mom was -- she really knew how to embody that special dynamic medicine that so many indigenous women do, in that she really balanced her tactics for justice. in the public arena, she brought her aggression against the injustices of the settler state. in those more private moments that she had many more of, with her relatives, with all of you, with me, she had a more gentle and i would say even more potent medicine. she had a way of using her decades of experience in the community to bring a story forward that would be just what you needed to hear, and that would let you know that you're not alone, that you're not
crazy, and that you're going to be okay. i know that so many people in this room have had those moments and had those stories with her and i want to especially thank all of you for continuing to let her legacy live on in the way that you embody those memories for the rest of your lives and you hand them to your children and the children in our community. i have a little book at home that i had for 20 years and you know, those of you who know my mom, she is really funny. i would write down things that she would say that were really funny or sometimes really profound. i was looking at it the other day. there was a quote from her that said, this is her voice. she said i'll know that i met my life's goal, i have achieved my life's goal if the generations that come after me don't have to
suffer as much as the generations before them. even though her life was too short, her death was a shock to all of us, i also know that she did achieve her life's goal. so, i just want to thank you all for being part of that journey with her and with us. on behalf of my mother and our family, thank you. [applause] >> thank you for those words. we now like to ask our all nations singers to please offer a memorial song and please stand if you are able to.
the first time so at this time we're going to call out our round valley dancers, they may take a minute to come out from the back. [cheering and applause] >> in the meantime, while they get lined up, how are we feeling about the event? let me hear you. let me hear you. [cheering] >> i don't know if i felt it. let me feel it. [cheering and applause] >> okay, you are telling me that i'm holding this emcee thing down. thank you.
>> oh, thank you. >> thank you. [applause] >> let's hear one more oh for our round valley dancers and singers. thank you all so much for coming out and sharing your gifts with us. at this time we're now going to bring out our intertravel powwow dancers one more time for some exhibition dancing. i think we're going to get start with the women's styles. so can i call out our women dancers. all nations, if you could give them an intertravel song when
i was just notified that the assessor, recorder for san francisco is present and his office did prepare a certificate for our honorees, both the cultural center advisory board honorees, as well as the honorees of our local heroes that passed. i am going to take a moment to read one of them here. in recognition of the honorees unwavering compassionate leadership as -- sorry. okay. this one is specific to helen. i'll read this one. they all say similar language. in recognition of helen's unwavering compassion and leadership as the chief executive officer of friendship house association of american indian, a residential substance abuse organization for american indian s that she cofounded. her work enabled american indians to heal from substance
abuse. her holistic approach that utilizes american indian cultural practices and western approaches for substance abuse and recovery and prevention gave people an opportunity to recover their lives. helen's legacy of perseverance through institutionalized oppression is an embodiment of resilience and source of inspiration for all. [applause] >> that's an example of the certificate that will be presented to our honorees, which we're honoring their legacy today. this is an example of the certificate that will be presented to the advisory committee for the cultural center. in recognition for your unwavering leadership and pressure -- reservation of american indian cultural in san francisco, the establishment of
the american indian cultural center, a first of its kind in the united states will benefit generations to come. san francisco is grateful for your efforts during the pandemic when you ensured that native families had access to food and emergency funding. during this unprecedented time, we need only to look to you as a body for inspiration. thank you for your support for the city and county of san francisco. i wish you the best. those will be presented to the advisory board. let's give a round of applause to all of our honorees once again. [cheering and applause] >> april will go around and hand thouz -- those out. now it's time for red lightning power women to take the stage.
women power singers. thank you. [cheering and applause] >> before we wrap up, i wanted to take a moment to acknowledge assessor recorder joaquin. we know you're in attendance with us. thank you for being here with us. [cheering and applause] >> with that, it is time to wrap up our event. it has been a beautiful event, but all good things must come to an end. thank you all for being here. i do have a few quick reminders before we go. one is that there is a photo backdrop to the left, my left, your right, in that light court over there. if you want to take pictures with an aicc backdrop, that's there. there is also a to go dessert you can get when you exit to this side of the building. please do not eat it in here. we're not supposed to eat in city hall. thank you to all our singers and
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francisco has over one hundred drop off locations visit recycle damn and thanks for watching join us >> good morning everyone. this meeting will come to order. welcome to the november 18, 2021 regular meeting of the san francisco board of supervisors of supervisors. i am joined by vice chair co n nie as well as gordon mar substituting today for supervisor mandelman. the committee clerk is victor
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room 244 san francisco california 94102. items acted upon today are expected to be on the board of supervisors agenda november 30, 2021 unless otherwise stated. >> thank you. mr. clerk, at the outset i would like to make a motion to excuse supervisor mandelman today from the meeting and allow supervisor mar to take his place. call the roll. >> on that motion. vice chair chan. >> aye. >> chair preston. >> aye. >> supervisor mar. >> aye.
>> motion passes without objection. >> thank you. please call item 1. hearing on the 2018-2019 civil grand jury report. act now before it is too late aggressively expand and enhance our high-pressure emergency firefighting water system. i would like to make the last announcement. if you wish to comment call 415-655-0001. id24963301479. pound twice to be connected to the meeting. star key followed by the number 3 to enter the queue to speak. wait until you have been unmuted to comment.
>> thank you, mr. clerk. supervisor mar will be leading this item. welcome back and thank you for joining our committee today. the entirety of our hearing and recognize supervisor mar's past service of the chair of this committee. i very much appreciate his continuing to follow-through on a lot of items he was leading on in this committee involving government oversight. this is one of those items. looking forward to this item we heard earlier this year, i believe. i know that we have presentations from p.u.c. and just i want to remind folks that presenters have a maximum 10 minutes each. >> thank you chair preston and
supervisor chan for this opportunity to have this hearing to really hear updates from the departments and also presentation from the bla on the important work that the city is engaged in right now to address one of the major issues in our emergency preparedness system. to really expand our emergency firefighting water system to all neighborhoods recently unprotected and ensure that that really important emergency firefighting system is really built out city-wide as soon as possible. i want to give a background. this is a follow up hearing. chair preston, as you mentioned from the hearing in january. we will keep this brief. i know we have a full agenda
today and many important issues. a little background. this issue of the need to really fully expand emergency firefighting system was really identified and started three to four years ago by neighborhood advocates raising alarm about the vulnerability of the website of san francisco and the southern neighborhoods in southeast san francisco to major catastrophic fire and major earthquake which we know another big one is coming soon. that led to in 2019 the civil grand jury issuing the report and highlighting the urgency for the city to really address this deficiency in emergency preparedness system. in 2019 at the end about two years ago the board of
supervisors we passed a resolution declaring a state of urgency to rapidly expand the efws and really do the resolution to laid out a framework for the city to develop a comprehensive plan towards deadline of 2035, in 15 years. they laid out a number of important process steps with deadlines that the pc and other departments needed to follow to really more urgently address this really important issue. since january there is a number of important process steps laid out in the board resolution the p.u.c. and departments have followed through on. i really thank the p.u.c. and
the fire department and brian strong from the office of capital planning for work on this. in june there were three reports issued. one is the first of annual progress report from the departments on their work to fully expand and build out the efws. there was also a special analysis report exploring feasibility of new sea water pumping station on the oceanside and in southeast san francisco to expand the sea water stations for efws that have been in place. the third report completed in june was comprehensive analysis of fire suppression needs by neighborhood in the city. again, i want to thank the p.u.c. for following through and
meeting deadlines on these three reports. i want to highlight one important deadline coming up. december 31st as laid out in the resolution. they are to brent to the board and the public comprehensive plan for expanding the efws to all neighborhoods including financing plan. that is coming up. finally, one additional piece of work happened since the last hearing in january on this issue. budget and legislative analyst office did a supplemental report looking at financing options and how we can really finance and pay for this extremely important infrastructure and emergency preparedness project. today we want to have an update from the p.u.c. and the bla on the additional work they have done and allow for additional public comments. i know there are members of the
public joining us to share their comments. >> thank you, supervisor mar. i did want to -- i mentioned 10 minutes per speaker our usual. we did have a request for a presentation to cover what several departments would otherwise be presenting can go up to 15 minutes. with that i want to turn the floor over to mr. scar poll la. >> thank you. let me share my screen. give me a second here.
thank you for having us and supervisor mar for the introduction. the context behind the presentation is very helpful. i am joined by members of from multiple city departments the p.u.c., tom o'connor at the fire department, members of public works and brian strong from the office of capital planning. i am representing all agencies. if questions are better answered by colleagues i will pass to them. i will start for new listeners out there. what is the emergency water system. it is a high pressure water system built after the 1906 earthquake. primary source of water is the regional scatter system. secondary sources are two sea water pumps. one by the galileo high school
and one in the basement of the fire department by the giants stadium. the transfer was in 2010 of the mayor's order. however, the fire department is the end user. all system im movements and expansion must be approved by the fire department apand public works. they have been working on this for decades. we use modeling to guide decision making. computer modeling to understand where we should move water, what new pipes, water sources. it is a very technical model to guide us here. today's agenda. supervisor mar talked about the study we submitted in june. we went over how these studies would be done in depth earlier
this year. i am not going too deep into that. today are the findings. neighborhood firefighting study and sea water supply study. i am giving a preview of the proposed city-wide plan. what pipelines do we propose to be installed? what water sources to ensure the fire department has the volume and pressure that they need to fight fires after a large earthquake event? we are also going to talk about how the fire department resources are needed to best utilize the system we are proposing to install. let's start with the neighborhood firefighting demand study. this is a study to refine earthquake firefighting water demand and to do so looking not only at the current city but what about 2030, 2040, 2050?
to develop these demand we use geotechnical data landfill or bedrock. we use at the materials, density. if they have sprinkler systems or not. we looked at vegetation. crecanopy map, parks. what resources the fire department currently has and could have in the future. we looked at other data such as previous fires that have broken out in san francisco. in order to look at what the current city buildings are and what future growth is like in the city we used a variety of help and information from other city and local government agencies. we used the planning department reports and pipeline projections
on current projects that are in the books, looking forward. we used area development plans. there are over 60 million square feet of development in these large development projects throughout san francisco. that will make the city look very different in certain areas and changing fire demands as well. it is important to use those plans. we looked at capital construction projects. example the geary brt. utilized traffic analysis zones to provide projections on the housing in these traffic zones through 2040. we were able to extrapolate out based on the traffic zones already available to us. we also used the association of government planning 2040 documents to plan the bay area. those all of those information
that we got from all of our government agency is how we looked to the future and model fire demand. as new information comes in. it has been five years new pipeline projections, redevelopment plans we would have to recalibrate. we use the best information from our colleagues and government agencies. we also looked at what is currently existing with the water system, what is funded for extensions and what we are planning. that also provides more ability for us to fight the fires. we look at current systems what we plan to do with it. this is for now, 2030, 2040 and 2050. we use model earthquake. 7-point on the san andreas
fault. we look at building data to understand the buildings and ignitions that could be seen and model this thousands of times with the various fires that can break out. look at the tree canopy and the different ignitions by blocks that you can see the top right photo is potentially different fires that could break out. we do this multiple times. the bottom left is done multiple times. one-time model run. we look at our efws system. we will get into that map in the bottom middle. how we look at previous fires. hour resources were deployed, how quickly we fight the fires. all of this feeds into how much water do we need to fight fires after 7.9 earthquake looking to
2050. in this photo what you will see is this is a pattern for water demand overlaid on an aerial photo of the city. the yellow areas are areas of no demand from terms of fire. in a 3-d way you can really see where in this model run there are high fire demands. you can see that the high demands occur in the downtown area, inner richmond along geary, and i want to highlight inner richmond and we will come back. i want to highlight inner richmond and the mission district. there is a large demand out by lake merced. that is the campus. those are dense areas and that is where we saw large fire demand after 7.9 earthquake.
this is one model run. this is a pretty typical model run in terms of where the demands are. the conclusion, large conclusion of all of the model runs, various analysis is that approximately 240,000 gals per minute at gpmis required to fight fires city-wide up to 2050 based to current development plans from the planning department and m.t.a. it set m.e time the earthquake hits to 25 hours out. that is the amount of water we need available for the fire department to fight potential fires that could break out city-wide. that is the water supply goal. 240 is what we need to get to.
that is the close of that study. i will loop back to that as i talk about the city-wide plan. next is c water supply. i went over this in january. a high level looked at regulatory permitting, where we could site these sea water pump stations, geotechnical angie logical issues and sea level rises are big deals changes to coastlineits. we have to protect the infrastructure to site where we want to site it based on erosion and sea level rise challenges. looking at engineering, water intake types, what would be allowed by the agencies and protecting marine life out in the bay and ocean. what are the costs, both capital and operations and maintenance
costs? we look at all areas of the city. east bay front, north bay front, rocky area north and side, and then southern dunes. these areas have different considerations both geologically and engineering perspective. also from permitting perspective. different agencies oversee different parts of bay and the ocean. it changes how difficult it could be to permit or not permit it. i want to go to the findings. key finding to address it head on is that satisfactory water pump station is not immediately advised for the west side. we support additional redundancies for all areas of
the ews. that is important. we believe the priority is for the build out of the system to all neighborhoods for equitable fire protection first. that is why we don't immediately advice at the west side at the time. i can walk through that. i talked about 240,000 gallons permit requirement city-wide after the 7.9 earthquake. we look at the area served by the west side project. you will see that on the map shortly. both phase one and two, the gallon per minute need in the area served by phase one and two is 37,000 gallons per minute out of 240,000 gallons per minute. the water sources to be connected as phase one and phase
2 meet this need, cover this demand. lake merced with 1.7 billion gallons of water has more than 3 weeks worth of water to meet this demand. in all modeling scenarios even where the worst fires were seen, there was not a single fire that losted close to three weeks on the west side. there is plenty of water to fight fires on the west side when these two sources are hooked up. lake merced is the most efficient and quickest way to provide unlimited water 1.7 billion gals to feet fires on the west side. we are hooking that up first. in the currently funded west side phase one. that is key. the fire department was adamant
first was lake merced. in addition, i be stalling the west side pump station would be difficult and lengthy permitting process. at federal level. the army corps of engineers and national park would be the primary permitting agents. there would be the national marine fishery services and u.s. coast guard. at state level the coastal commission is primary. the others are the california state lands commission, state water resources control board, regional water control board, and the california department of fish and wildlife. i would like to note the california ocean plan requires subsurface sea water intake. we couldn't do an open water sea water pump station on the west side. it would have to be drilled through the sand at diagonal direction and then go out into
the ocean. there is a movement away from the shoreline at ocean beach. sea level rise and there is a movement to move away from the shoreline. there is a real question about if we could even get it permitted out there and how long it could take. also it is expensive to install and maintain the west side pump station. if we looked at installing a 3,000-gallon per minute pump station, a third of the size of the two existing pump stations which are each 10,000. $68 million in 2,021-dollars right now. if we want to install to cover all of the west side demands 37 gallons per minute. $180 million in 2,021-dollars to
install that now. the life cycles to maintain them are costly. sea water environment is harsh. we know that. we have operated a wastewater treatment there and we see it every day. $70 million for small, and $286 million to cover all demands. costly to operate. >> i hate to interrupt. i would like to note 15 minutes elapsed. >> thank you. i will speed up. >> you have got two more. let's try to wrap up. >> we recommend on the east side due to water supply shortages on the east side it is more cost efficient to intall and maintain. expand the two existing pump stations and add new station to serve the southeast and east. city-wide plan will cover pipelines, additional water
sources and resources for fire department. here the proposed pipelines. gray lines are existing pipelines in san francisco. red pipelines are funded and under construction. that is connecting to lake merced. black pipeline is phase two of the west side project unfunded. green and blue pipelines are additional pipelines we would like to have installedded to ensure equitable pipelines through the city. the inner richmond we are proposing two pipelines in the area. both adding the new green pipelines in addition to existing gray ones. we know that is an area of high fire demand. water sources to get to
240,000 gallons per minute. blue exist and they are funded. two pump stations and with the west side phase one lake merced is in blue. everything in pink is what we propose to connect to get 240,000 gallons per minute including modifying the two existing pump stations. this is what is connected to the water sources. lake merced and everything in pink is what we need to connect. quite a bit of water to connect. this is the price for this program as proposed in 2021. $1.6 billion. $900 million worth of pipelines, $700 million worth of water supply connections. the model laid out typical grand
jury recommends 15 year construction period. that is very aggressive in terms of getting it designed, permitted including on the east side and implemented. we think 25 year is conservative. they are both here. 2.6 and 3.3 billion. summary look at the needs to 2050. cost of improvements $1.6 billion in 2021. the fire department needs the resources. we can put the system in. if they don't have the correct equipment to utilize it, it won't get the best use. i am happy to take questions. i apologize for going over, chair preston. >> thank you. supervisor mar. >> thank you so much, john, for the presentation and update on the work. important planning work that the p.u.c. and departments have been
engaged in on this important project. maybe, chair preston i would like to go to the presentation from the b la office on the financing options. >> welcome, ms. campbell. >> i do have a presentation if the clerk can give me options. >> we did look at potential financing sources for emergency firefighting water system. in the presentation. that is the wrong one.
>> i can see it. >> it is the wrong presentation. i will go through very quickly rather than waiting everybody's time. we were asked to look at financing options. as noted there is about $1.6 billion in estimated costs over the next 25 years. 2021. $180 million is looked at as part of the 10 year capital
plan. the city plans to issue in -- the capital plan provides earthquake and safety emergency response bond of about $217 million. that would include not just the projects but also public safety projects that could potentially be a source of funding for the project. we looked at the capital plan and we are looking at ways to identify within the capital plan would there be sufficientbonning capacity for additional funds for expansion? the city policy through the capital plan is that tax rate wouldn't go up above the 2006 rate. the existing capital plan there is in the outer years room for additional bonding capacity. the tax rate would fall below
the 2006 constraints of the capital plan. within the existing capital plan there is room to look at additional bonds for the efws. the other thing that we looked at was capital plan provides in 2022 a $400 million transportation bond. we looked at the possibility with the approval of the federal infrastructure bond that there is about $39 billion in that bond that would be available for transportation projects. we don't know the impact on san francisco. we don't know how much would be available to san francisco. we thought that should be looked at as an opportunity to resize that bond and freeing up bonding capacity for an additional bonding capacity that could be used for the emergency firefighting system. that is existing 10 year capital plan. they we look at another capital
plan to be approved from 2024-2033. the board will be looking at. one thing that he pointed out in his presentation. when they looked at the need for additional infrastructure. there is a lot of development in the city. this was based on increased development. if you have increased development you are going to have increased bonding capacity. you will have more property tax revenues coming in and higher valuation of property to issue higher amount ofbons. that needs to be kept in mind. we looked at the next 10 year capital plan as the opportunity to really look at how to increase the bonding capacity and increase that $1.6 billion that might be needed for the total expansion of the system. i will restate that $1.6 billion is in current year dollars,
2,021-dollars. that is the capital plan. that is important. to request that the city do a five year long-term financial plan which they don't have. over the next 25 years how they would pay for the $1.6 billion system. those are in terms of capital plan those our main recommendations to look at the capacity in the current capital plan for issuing additional bonds in 2031. look at resizing the transportation bond if there are federal moneys to come in to be used for the projects and the city wouldn't have to issue $400 million in general obligation bonds. they could issue a lower amount. the next 10 year capital plan look at increased development.
looking at the city having a long term financial plan, the city charter sets the debt limit at 3% assessed valuation. when they talk about analysis based on increased development in the city, that is going to increase the assessed valuation and amount of dollars that can be used for general opligation bonds. the other point is an estimate of the city now. 3% of assessed valuation. all bonds are at 1.8% assessed valuation. the city has room within the debt limto issue additional debt. in terms of other funding sources. our basic take away we looked at state and federal sources. we didn't see anything nearly the size of this project.
we do think there will be a industry cost and cost -- a city cost and general obligation bonds would be the best source of funds. that is why we focused on the financial plan and general obligation bonds. there are other financing sources we make recommendations in the report and that we think need to be considered. the other thing that really struck me in his presentation was the development. new development in the city. the city has already assessed development projects for the efws system. mission rock appear 70. 333 california street is paying a million dollars f.there is increased development part of the development agreements
should include funds for expansion of the system. it also raises opportunities for doing community facilities district and infrastructure financing districts. they are about former redevelopment areas. as there is development in hunters point, bayview, shipyard. there is the opportunity to create i from structure financing districts using property tax increment to fund those developments. to use to fund infrastructure to fund expansion of emergency firefighting water system. same would be true for development to look at community facilities districts in terms of special taxes that could be used to support development of system. those are other options. finally the other recommendation and this has been started is the
city fire department has a portable firefighting water system. what they have now is out-of-date. 48 years old. quite old. they don't have a lot of capacity. the city has funded $5 million toward purchase of five new modern hose tenders with more pumping capacity to expand the existing system. it takes a year to purchase each one. the fire department doesn't be have a plan for how many are needed or when purchased. we think that would be important. one be of the factors for the fire department is storage. these are big pieces of equipment that have to be put somewhere. that would be a plan. in terms of financing plan that is much easier which the city can issue these revenue bonds. the san francisco municipal
finance corporation approved by the board and voters. they are able to issue debt for this kind of purchase. they haven't issued much debt in recent years. it is low interest. it can be fairly low interest debt. one might purchase the additional hose with the revenue financing. we talked to office of public finance who agreed there is the ability to amortize that debt. i am sorry about the powerpoint presentation. those are the take aways. we believe within the existing capital plan through looking at resizing transportation bond or looking at capacity and outer years in 2031 to add additional debt. there could be more general obligation bonds issued to help finance especially phase two of the expansion of the emergency firefighting water system.
we believe that in the next 10 year capital plan especially looking at plan development and increased assessed valuation of city properties there could be looking at increased funding for efws. one of the issues that was a stan alone that could at least be considered in the next 10 year capital plan. then financial plan over the next 25 years that really looks at how city development is growing, valuation is growing and the $1.6 billion could be financed. i am available for any questions you may have. >> thank you, ms. campbell. do you have questions and comments before we head to public comment? >> chair preston. i request we allow public comment now and after that i do have questions and comments.
>> let's do that. mr. clerk, let's open public comment on this item. >> we are checking for callers in the queue. for those watching our meeting on sf cable channel 26 or by streaming link or sf goff tv call in by following instructions on the screen. 415-655-0001 enter id2492211 -- sorry. 24963301479.
if you are in the queue rate for the prompt. you will hear a prompt that your line is unmuted. we have 19 listeners and four people on hold for public comment at this time. >> eilene coalition for san francisco neighborhoods speaking on my behalf. on july 23rd meeting the community heard testimony from the m ta regarding de factor route abandonment and service restoration. they were skeptical of information provided by m.t.a. management. be skeptical of the p.u.c. the community meeting the p.u.c. manager of local and government affairs stated the west side
could wait 15 years for dedicated. the p.u.c. is very good at moving at whatever pace suits its purpose. there is an example. as part of water diversification a desalination in eastern koss tracounty is in planning for 14 years. when the water subcommittee of the citizens advisory committee was asked how the planning process was moving forward. the response was it isn't. i strongly urge the committee to hold feet to the fire, no pun intended and insist the city departments complete the action plan by december 31st, 2021 and that they are prepared to present to the committee in january of 2022 and that they
also schedule the hearing in january 2022. thank you. >> thank you. can we have the next caller, please. >> hello. this is dick morton. i am a resident of the park district. yesterday 3.9 trimble is a reminder we face a major earthquake in the future. i commend supervisor mar to struggle to get a city-wide independent saltwater auxiliary water supply system for the 15 large neighborhoods. supervisor mar is attempting to implement the 2003 and 2019
grand jury reports calling for expansion of awsf, implementation is long overdue. join him. here are some concrete actions you may take. civil grand jury called for acquisition of 20 hose extenders, a temporary solution to the vulnerable neighborhoods. this move the water to fires. host tenders are essential components of existing aws system, largely confined to northeast quadrant of the city. the city should aggressively apply for state grants. it has receive some state money. it should acquire and submit orders for all 18 additional hose tenders since they are very specialized equipment. general funds could be used to
expand, recruit city employees to be trained as host tender operators. general funds and emergency bond money could be used to build the facilities on city property. there is a state wind fall announced yesterday. >> your time has elapsed. next speaker, please. >> this isted lowenberg at the haight-ashbury. i am a former member of the puc citizens advisory committee focused on this issue. my purpose is to ring the alarm bell. it seems that the likelihood of a major earthquake hitting this area before 3035 is very high.
yet the plan is the detailed and over manipulated to the point nothing is getting done. i want to point out that the united states put a man on the moon in less than nine years starting from the zero. everything had to be built, invented, created, thought out to get that to happen. this project is much more simple than that. i submit to you that if you don't act with the sense of urgency, time is of the essence then you are gambling with the lives of san francisco, the housing in san francisco with the very life of the city. please don't -- we don't want the gamble. you have got to speed it up, guys, thank you. >> next caller, please.
>> good morning, supervisors. pat skane. member of the pine lake park neighborhood association. currently residing in district 4. i would consider providing written comment but having reviewed the public comment letters submitted by nancy, tom, dick more tan and others. the need to extend the emergency firefighter water system to the western part of the city. i urge you to heed these warnings. urgent call to action which these citizens provided you. for my part, i want to state that neither grand water or portable water from sunset
reservoir should be used. plans some be mead for the two pump stations and use of non-potable and saltwater to supply and build out the emergency water system. as 30 year veteran of the san francisco fire department i am aware of the fragile water supply system. while working at station 42 in bayview. i had to respond to an incident which was a major fireworks explosion. at that incident there was no water. explosion broke the water main system and i had to make a 1,00a pittance of water to the site. loops, dead ends are a major problem. low pressure water system is not to be trusted. recently in our neighborhood the 54-inch water main connecting
merced to sunset had a failure. 700,000 gallons of water were lost in five hours. >> your time elapsed. i believe the next caller is the last caller in line. next caller, please. >> good morning, supervisors, catherine howard. thank you, supervisor mar for pursuing this. i live in outer sunset in wood building surrounded by wood building and strong winds from the ocean. the next earthquake is coming soon. once a fire starts out here, it will go over the hills and go over the rest of the city. our system out here should be as good as the rest of the system. we wonder why this wasn't done before, be that as it may. start with the west side and get something in place as soon as possible.
i also share some of the concerns that have been expressed by other community members and looking into building a strong resilient system. please move quickly. 15 years is too long a time to hold us. >> thank you. >> we had two more callers on the line. next caller, please. >> good morning. jeffrey in the outer sunset. thank you, supervisor mar. it sounds like the future funding options includes so many ifs who know what would happen. it seems like using the hatch hatch water. there is tons available what
happens with the drain. here we are going to use up the drinking water to fight fires. then what? last but not least, i think we need to do something immediately. i strongly urge the firefighting tenders immediately. we can't wait 15, 25 years or who knows how many years to get something in place. that is critical. i will leave it at that. thanks for talking about this critical hole in our infrastructure. thank you. >> thank you. next caller. >> good morning. i also want to thank supervisor mar for staying on top of this superimportant issue. i am erica flag in d4. i am part of the group.
[indiscernable] we are following this issue closely since we heard the grand jury report two and a half years ago. i want to quickly tell you that we are totally against the use of portable water in such an emergency. these systems have to be kept separate. it is just basic simple logic that someone without expertise like me is putting out to you, and you know it. we need to get the pumps and use the ocean water. i think there has to be more explanation of grants including federal grants and the infrastructure bills at the moment needs to be on the list. the fire department chief has to explore grants and maybe be funded for a grant writer.
also, i would like to see a hearing as the full board with the citizen experts, retired firefighters on the ground and listen to what they have to say. i understand the p.u.c. hasn't been that open to anything but their own thoughts. i would say as final thought and looking at many projects i have watched over many years in san francisco that we need an outside expert. a real expert. a seasoned expert reviewing this local plan. it is such a major under taking here. san francisco has failed really in many of their large projects so i would like to see a real expert. >> your time has elapsed. thank you. that was the last caller to
speak on this matter. >> thank you, mr. clerk. no more callers, public comment be on this item is now closed. supervisor mar. >> thank you, chair preston. i want to thank the callers during public comment and most of you have been ring thing alarm bell about this emergency preparedness priority for years. you know, in all of your advocacy and pushing led to this becoming a much higher priority in the city over the last few years. thank you. i want to thank the p.u.c., fire department, office of capital planning for responding and following the board resolution two years ago starting to develop a real plan to get the job done and ensure we protect
life and property in such a large part of the city that are currently unprotected. i had a quick comment. i guess rather than questions it is requests from the department. if it is an ongoing process. these hearings are helpful to have the board oversight and public input on this ongoing important planning work. the first comment is i think the actual plan technical plan to build out the efws to all of the neighborhoods currently up protected is coming together. through the presentation from john scar pula. i think the comprehensive action plan to be submitted to the board and public by december 31st. i am confident that is going to include a very thought out plan
to build out the efws. the major technical issue in the current plan of concern is that apparent lack of consideration and commitment to the sea water pumping station, particularly on the west side. i appreciate the current through john's presentation the current plan to improve and upgrade two existing bay side seawater pumping stations in san francisco. for the west side i share concerns of the current plan to tap water from lake merced and the sunset reservoir. great concerns what that would mean to the environment of lake
merced that is struggling with low water level there is a major problem to be addressed. to pap it for firefighting reasons. even the discussion of scenarios of fully draining lake merced after three days is very concerning. of course, sunset reservoir, a main source of drinking water for large parts of the city will be needed to be maintained for that purpose after a catastrophic earthquake and major fire. a lot of concern about that. my request is in the comprehensive action plan to be developed that it includes scenario to include sea water pumping station on the west side as sennary job.
secondly, really i appreciate the bla work looking at financing options. this is a big major cost to do this right. this important infrastructure project $1.63 billion was the current estimate. $188 million of that is currently in the 10 year capital plan. there is another $1.4 billion that is still financing that needs to be planned for and quickly if we are going to get this done by 2035 as civil grand jury and board of supervisors had set as deadline. i would want to see the comprehensive action plan include financing plan to fully do it right and build out the
afws. john is that something that the p.u.c. and departments would be willing to include in the comprehensive action plan you are preparing? >> john scarpola. the pump station question first. lake merced is three weeks of capacity. i want to clarify that piece. yes, we certainly have looked very closely at sea water pump station. i would like to clarify the way we set it on the west side it would be supplementary, it would supplement the current plan as opposed to taking away the resource from another area where
needed. the request is look at supplemental west side pump station as opposed to taking away east side or pipelines that are needed in other areas. we can ask our folks to include that. supplemental west side as opposed to removing assets from another area. >> just to clarify that. since the west side efws is totally separate this would supplement or replace the sunset reservoir and lake merced. that is the request from the community who have been looking at this issue for many years. that should be the primary source of water for the west side efws.
>> many reasons why making sea water the primary source is not advisable. engineering wise, we don't use sea water on the east side. you don't be want it in the hydrants, pipes, valves. it will completely deteriorate them and to use it on the east side we have used it twice in 100 years. we have to immediately flush the lines to get the saltwater out. it is very corrosive. that is why off the bat we wouldn't use it. getting water and fire protection to the west side as quickly as possible. as i detailed in terms of permitting the pump session on the west side that is a long endeavor. we have the funding. we have the pipeline. we can connect lake merced quickly and efficiently.
i suggest if we want to look at connecting sea water on the west side look at two options. in addition to the west side pump station in addition to lake merced and option and looking at adding sea water as replacement to sunset reservoir. i recommend against taking lake merced off. there is no large water source on the west side. we don't know if we can get it permitted. i suggest looking at it supplementing. option two supplementing lake merced and removing sunset off the table. those are option to look at. >> it will be included in the comprehensive side as part of
the scenario. what about the financing plan? there is a projected cost for full build out and big number. bla identified financing options giobond. can we include this in the comprehensive action plan as well? >> brian strong or bill barnes from capital planning to step in here and talk about how the financing mechanism can be analyzed. >> sure. thank you. good afternoon, supervisors. brian strong. bill, please jump in if you see a need as well. i would say it is going to be difficult to -- we can provide
context within the next month or so. with a month to put together a comprehensive financing plan would be really challenging. from resource wise and also, you know, a lot has to do with where we are in thinking about the city's capitol needs. that is one of the reasons why we wanted to talk about having that discussion in a larger context of the different demands that are coming upon the city. there are many of them. it is capital planning to have the discussion about not just the bond but the cap and those things. whether or not we keep the cap or how that works in concert with some of the other bonds coming forward. i would mention for the next 10 years we have in the current
capital plan a victim of our own success $2 billion of bonds. next two years $1.25 billion in capacity for the entire city that is not enough to cover the $1.6 billion we are talking about for this project. those are the challenges we are facing. the other thing to add is that some of the assumptions in here are around development and plan bay area and growth on west side. some of what ms. campbell and i agree with what she was saying the opportunity is under development. if we have new development it may provide opportunities for community facility districts or for development agreements. part of that discussion, i think, would be what do we think is happening in terms of development? what are those opportunities? that would be another aspect that i would like us to look at
but would be hard to do in 30-days. >> i hear you on that, brian. i do agree the next 10 year capital plan and all of the planning around that that is going to happen next year is an important opportunity for us to ensure that the financing for efws will build out as higher priority. again, as you mentioned the bla recommended or identified some other financing options outside of the office of capital planning. development agreements and the infrastructure financing district and community facilities district. it seems like there is a need for coordination among the different city departments that are responsible for these other types of financing eewd and --
oewd and the controller's office and you guys in coming up with comprehensive plan to giobonds. the bla identified are the most clear source for such a big ticket item. it is going to involve a number of other creative financing options as well. there is a need for more coordinated financing plan. >> i agree and we do look at community facility districts there is a policy in the capital plan around infrastructure financing. the challenge is that they do reduce general fund revenue. that needs taken into consideration. community facility districts again we are using them in some of the newer areas treasure island and at pier 70.
we have those at capital planning committee and would want to include them in analysis to bring in everyone. >> brian, i hear you that december 31st is not a realistic timeframe to try to get the comprehensive financing plan together. what do you think would be more realistic timeframe given the $1.6 billion overall cost that we are looking at right now and the urgency of us getting the job done as soon as possible? >> right. there are projects underway. i encourage those do not get slowed down. i don't know that i can give you a specific date off-the-cuff. i would hesitate to do that.
certainly like you said this is an off-year. we will be doing a lot of work around collecting needs for the capital plan this spring and next summer. summer of 2022. that is really when we will be putting together that information. that is really, i don't know if i can give you more detail right now. we are looking at trying to put together. we are getting demands and needs around sea level rise and climate. we are looking at putting together some options in terms of how we can fund some of these large capital needs in that area and we certainly would include that, the efws projects and needs in that analysis as well.
that may provide some information. we look to do that in the next 6 to 8 months. >> thank you, brian. my office will be following up with you and other departments. there is an urgency to get this together as soon as possible. we will work with you on that. >> chair preston. one time question more directed at the fire department. around the fire department plan to acquire and operationalize the necessary number of new hose tenders needed. these are not just for efws or emergency firefighting system to help protect at least interim to provide some protection to the neighborhoods that are currently
unprotected by the efws. it is used on a regular basis for fires. i guess my request is can the fire department come up with a plan to acquire and operationalize the necessary number of host tenders we need in the system given the aging that we currently have and the five that are in the pipeline right now that i have heard the number in the grand jury report that we need 20 tenders. >> thank you, supervisors. we can come up with a plan for that. currently we only have three hose tenders funded with the first delivery in july or august. down to the granular level of putting together the final details and getting the pumps tested in texas as we speak.
we can come up with the plan. it is the funding from the board of supervisors. roughly $1 million each. we would have to set up a capital plan for the next couple years and delivery of two to three per year over the next number of years contingent upon funding from the board. with necessary funds we could provide a plan. >> what about the bla recommendation of looking at revenue financing? could that be included in the plan as well? >> yes, absolutely. >> thank you. deputy chief, when would you be able to put that plan together by december 31st, since that is
the deadline for the comprehensive action plan? how much time would you need? >> i would coordinate with the bla. i am sure we could get it together with you. >> thank you. thank you, deputy chief. i see supervisor chan on the roster. >> thank you, chair preston. a question for mr. armstrong about the financial planning as well as for the capital planning. i just wanted to have a clarifying point on the infrastructure district that you mentioned. it will decrease if one were to establish, which i know we are looking to establish in places like treasure island or mission
walk, a special district. you mentioned infrastructure finances would then decrease general fund. would you walk us through how that is? what is the rationale? >> again, i am not an expert in these different be tools. my understanding is that instead of tax increment be financing tool. what it means is that the there is a development and there is added value or tax benefit, that added tax benefit can be used to invest in infrastructure to make in from structure improvements. part of that added tax benefit if it did not go to the infrastructure would go to general fund. that is where the rub is or the impact on the general fund would
be. >> this is better for the office of public finance under the controller's office with the finance tools for clarification. my impression and understanding typically what you do have these type infrastructure it also means it is with the projection of growth. while you may be true that is not going to general fund with assumption general fund is continuing to grow in a different rate while the extra, the top goes to the infrastructure for that money to infrastructure designated for
the district. it is my assumption. >> i agree. that is how i see it, too. >> i also just want to say thank you to chair preston, supervisor mar for your leadership on this. no doubt it is very critical conversation. i time and time again i brought this up during our briefing on this. there were moments talking about the former aid about upgrading our city-wide sewage and water pipe system. then was 2006 and the conversation around $1 billion for the entire city and
city-wide. then right now that number has significantly increased if we were to do that, but sometimes we have to start somewhere. i am glad that we do have prop b and that we can actually start somewhere and continue. i do look forward to continuing the conversation to really find ways to fund these projects and the development of the firefighting emergency firefighting water system. i do also agree with sfpuc presentation that, you know, both the east and west in this case through the map, southeast sector of the city also in need to have emergency water system
and water source. knowing that there is a lot of industrial use in the southeast sector of the city. i am eager to see some improvement in water source developed there as well. that is what i think is not at the expense of west side development where we are making progress. i do look forward to continuing the conversation around saltwater ponds. i look forward to the conversation about possible new technology that may give us more options in the times to come. thank you, chair preston. >> thank you, vice chair chan. i appreciate your comments. i want to echo my thanks to supervisor mar for his ongoing leadership and supervisor i
don't know if you have comments or questions or a motion to make, you are welcome to bring this back. it sounds from the conversation this is not the last time we will review this. the floor is yours to wrap up. >> thanks again, chair preston and supervisor chan for this opportunity to share this update hearing on the important work. i would move we continue this to the call of the chair. >> thank you. call the roll. >> motion offered by marthis be continued to the call of chair. vice chair command. >> aye. >> member mar. >> aye. >> chair preston. >> aye. >> there are three ayes. >> thank you. the motion passes. welcome back, mr. carroll.
item 2. >> hearing on the interim use plan for 730 stan yan street. members should call the public comment number 415-655-0001. entered d24963301479. press pound twice to connect to the meeting and press star followed by 3 to enter the queue to speak. please wait until you are up muted and you may begin your comments. >> thank you, mr. clerk. i requested this hearing on the sudden abandonment of the city of homelessness and hsh of the project to serve public use in the haight-ashbury in relation of commitment to open a drop in center at 7:30 stanyan by the
end of october. the stacket that this was promised publicly to the community as to my office and later that promise was broken are facts that i do not believe are in dispute. let me start with back ground on his site. this is owned by the city. sat vacant for years before i took office despite the detailed community proposal and promises by the city then mayor of community development in 2018 to activate interim use on the site. it is the future home of 100% affordable housing. that has very broad support in the community. in may of 2020, my office partnered with the emergency operations center, now known as
code command as long with homeless youth, larkin street youth services and neighbors to launch the safe sleeping site referred to buy the neighbors as a camp at this location. despite a lawsuit by a lawyer to stop the project and creation of facebook group formed for the same purpose to stop the project and other efforts, the safe sleeping site was launched. i think at this point it is not in dispute. the speakers and presenters will concur. it was most successful safe sleeping site in the city by any metric run by the homeless youth and larkin street youth to transition people off the streets. extended twice. then was wound down as was committed at the start was wound down at the end of june of this
year. our office insisted the site remain active for the community rather than vacant and that there are showers and drop inserises, referral and information for the homeless transitional youth population in this period before the development begins. per our advocacy and as part of ongoing emergency response to the pandemic they agreed to have such inper rum services at -- interim services at the site. in august we were informed plans were on track but delayed one month and guaranteed our office services would launch by the end of october at the latest. this representation was made to
the community august 19, 2021 at a virtual community meeting regarding the site in which hsh confirmed to open the drop in center in late october 2021. it was made firmly and hsh explained the proposed drop in senator would provide -- center would provide bathrooms and washing stations and showers and daytime drop in services to other resources to support making homelessness rare, brief, one-time. to utilize the reduction approach and be operated by nonprofit provider with focus on services for transitional aged youth. hsh at solicitation for proposals on september 7, 2021.
the homeless youth alliance was selected and preparing to open critical serve services on the site. on october 21st. the senior staff informed our office the project would not proceed. vague reasons were provided. none of which, in my opinion, added up. hence, this hearing to go deeper into this. since we announced the hearing request, the mayor has given several different explanation why the plug was pulled on the plan. a group that opposes any services for the homeless in the haight claim this led to the mayor abandoned the plans. it isn't going to happen in reference to the promised site. we hope they can give clarity
for the reasons for the change of plans and the current plan for the site. our purpose is to get more clarity on how this happened and learn be how to work together to activate the site to serve community needs. with us today to present our directtor mcspadden and her team at hsh and director shaw at the housing and community development and available for questions are dr. born and from dhh and marry howe the director of homeless youth alliance. with that lengthy introduction but hopefully we can agree on what the facts are and a lot of that timeline is going to go back through each step.
i wanted to lay it out there. i wanted to welcome director mcspadden and director shaw and their teams. go ahead and i will turn to floor over to them for 10 minuter presentation. >> you appear to be muted, director. >> thank you so much. thank you for the opportunity to present to you today, chair preston and community members. i appreciate the opportunity. as you mentioned, chair preston. director shaw is here with me
and will be presenting as well after i talk for a few minutes. i see you have the slides up. i just want to start by saying giving a little overview, not to dispute what you have said. 730stanyan is city owned in development. during the worst days of the pandemic it was operated as a safe sleep site, very successful one. past summer when we thought the development project was going to break ground, the safe sleep site was closed and residents were relocated. at finishing we heard development timelines were delayed and gave the city the opportunity to utilize space in a different way. fiscal year 21-23 budget included add back for the site
with pop in center for youth experiencing homelessness. it was for $90,000 this year and $130,000 this year to activate the site for this purpose. of course, the ad back did go to the department of public health. the department of homelessness and supportive housing moved forward to activate a pop in drop in center including release of interest for provider. only one submission was receive to the request. through the program development process and as we have started to bring staff into the process it became clear that add back dollars could cover staffing but insufficient to cover the cost of the program including showers, supplies and insurance. it will cost minimum of 3 $72,000 annually to operate the program at minimum standard to
safely deliver these services. there was a $280,000 funding gap we opted not to move forward. as proposed and funded the project would have limited impact on housing placement and expansion goals we outlined in homeless recovery plan. what happened we agreed on this when i was taking leadership of the department. as i worked with the staff and really looked at the priorities i am concerned that we need to focus on housing placement and housing expansion. we do not have a lot of bandwidth right now on our staff and they are over extended during covid and worked as a team to bring our priorities back in line with what we can actually do. that is part of what we are doing here. while we thought we had the funding and were going to push
forward with this. the fact we didn't have enough funding and have started to understand what our priorities are and what our resources are to carry this stuff out, we are starting to try to pull back on some of the things we think we can do this year. we continue to be deeply committed to serving homeless youth in our community and significantly expanded services for this population through investments in that transitional flexible housing subsidy, two new buildings to house the transitional age youth, recently opening the new center with third street youth center and clinic and continuing to fund dedicated outreach. at this point i want to paps it over to my colleague, director shaw, to talk about what the use will be for interim use from ocd
from that perspective. >> thank you. this was the site for 100% affordable housing. currently we are finalizing designs and entitlements and application for state financing. we want to make it clear interim use policy for all sites. the policy for all sites is to prioritize youth for city partners or city serving youth. right now we are currently allowing youth with other city agencies to use for interim purpose aligning with timing for construction of the housing. we believe that housing on state financing will begin in
september 2023. the goal outside of interim use is to make sure the site is secure. for all sites we have a standing contract in which we invest the resources for 24 hour security. those are the protocols happening now as we consider other uses for the site as we outreach to other city partners. priority is to make sure the site will be safe and secure in line with our regulations and policies of the city. >> thank you, director shaw. i have a number of questions. i do want to start by just i think there is a lot of pressure to not do things with this site. i want to start by recognizing that both of your tenures have
marked a bit of shift in that way in not only the partnership of the administration, our office and providers in launching safe sleeping site but your openness, both of you, and your departments and teams to looking at launching something rather than keeping this site vacant. moving those conversations forward. i don't want that lost. part of my alarm and reason for the hearing and desire to dig deeply into this to find out what happened is that i think in many ways on what has been a controversial site there was beginning to be more of unified approach around the need to serve, particularly the community and coming off the successes of is safe sleeping
site. there were many in our office who were looking forward to this next chapter which things abruptly changed. i didn't want that to get lost on how things changed and recognize that work that went into working with community members, listening to community members, talking and meeting and envisioning this site. my understanding is the homeless alliance and department of public health are on the uv questions. i may have some for them. i want to clarify. i will start by apologizing to the public here and my colleagues. i have a lot of questions. i submitted these questions to both hsh and department of
public health. to be honest, i did not get answers to the specific and direct questions that i posed. that will require us to cover some ground here around the details at my request to our presenters and departments to the extent we can to try to just keep some of the answers brief unless more time is needed. we need to understand the timeline of what happened here. to start with to either director mcspadden or shaw. can you clarify whose decision was it to open 730 stanyan as a drop in center? >> i will answer that question. that was a joint decision between hsh and opd.
>> thank you. then was that approved by the mayor or just a decision made by two department heads? >> i want to clarify. director mcspadden we have a hierarchy who we engage. the conversations were when we realized that the time was extended for the site being available, director mcspadden and i met to say if you want to continue take use we can discuss that. that was the conversation there. it was our hierarchy is dph and hsh during covid recovery around the interim youth. a must be are offered covid
testing or safe sleeping sites for the parcels we are developing right now. it was our intention to make sure dph, dph or shh had priority for youth in these plans. >> thank you for the detail. did the mayor approve that attu that -- atthe time directly? >> that site had been there before so the conversations were can we continue what is there. we were removing infrastructure and there was conversation around what could happen to keep the infrastructure there. there is a clear timeline. we thought this was going to be developed. this is a continuation of the conversation. it was a conversation that was late. director mcspadden.
it had been wound down. >> at some point the decision changes. i am trying to understand who is approving or not approving? in partnership with dph that you can make the decisions and that is how the decision was made? that is one thing. i am asking if in addition to what you described whether the mayor directly approved this at the time that decision was made. >> chair preston. decisions like this program and site decisions are made at department level. policy kind of higher level decisions and directions. we go to mayor breed for. at this decision level it was made at the department level. this decision was made at department level. >> thank you for clarifying that.
>> at the time that you posted the solicitation, director mcspa den, what was you're inning of the funding that had be ask secd or committed for this interim use. >> my understanding and as i mentioned i was new when we started this process and this is one of many things i have been working on. we would be able to cover the costs of this program with the dollars in add back. we had thought we would be able to lower the costs of the bathrooms. we thought we might have options to lower the costs of bathrooms and showers. it turned out that the costs were a lot higher than we thought. as we had these conversation
also, you know, the way we do it when there is add back dollars to put in we have a lot of conversations with the various board offices and work through this process at executive level. when the staff started digging in to what was needed. we realized there was more dollars needed. that was my fault for not vetting this further and earlier, but i started to understand that we would need a lot more dollars than we did. you know, of course, as budgets unfold in the early months of the new budget you start to understand there are a lot of places where that is happening where things might cost more or you might have to shift things around. i started to say, okay, we have to focus on clear priorities. we have so much on our plate as
a staff here. we opted to not try to find the dollars for that. >> you're inning then at the time the solicitation was posted was that add back that district five provided for 90k in the first year and 113 the second year was the entire budget for opening a drop in center, interim drop in center? >> i think we thought we would get partnerships to cover some things that we didn't get. >> thank you. director shaw, can you address that. obviously we have quite a back and forth on this. was it every understanding prior to the posting of that solicitation that this district five requested add back was for all of the costs including
rental of the bathrooms and showers, security, insurance. was it ever you're inning that that was all paid for out of a small staffing add back that our office had obtained? >> chair preston, the discussions i had with hsh did not relate to the add back, in particular. our conversations were were there any costs associated with keeping the site secure that would in some instances be able to be added to the space and the determination in the end was that the way we were calculating this we still had to devote resources for this being a 24 hour secure site. the dollars to be contributed to the site weren't going to
materialize as they were. >> once you confirmed hsh was going to move forward, you're inning at that point in time that they had secured the funds to launch the site, right? >> no. from that instant right now as we said, the way we said hsh this was available for programming. there have been discussions about it being a center and director mcspadden and her team were going to do what they had to do to secure and analyze what the program would look like. those are conversations that hsh and ocd had. our goal is to keep the site safe and secure. that is our space. once again referring to our partners around how they want to program and operate that is that we defer to the department for that.
>> how were the bathrooms paid for? add back in. >> i don't know that? i will defer to one of my staff in this case. emily collins. >> i believe the initial funding for the bathrooms used during the safe sleep came through the covid command center. i would have to look into that and get back to you with more certainty. >> that is my understanding as well. when those were in jewelry moved, much to the shock of the community, given there were promises for interim site and those were removed, director shaw, you and i discussed that and you stated no cause for alarm. the contract was pretty high on those once on emergency basis and the replacement ones would be moved in and infrastructure
was there to support them. is that accurate? >> my recollection of that conversation was that because there had been delay in the construction of the site that at the construction of site and this also may have been me being new in the space was, you know, the ability to restore what had been removed may have been easier. that was perception on my part in the conversations i had with you. they went away, put them back. that is a space where i learned to defer to the partners to the programs they want to do for the interim use. >> were there any commitments of any funds to this site prior to publishing the solicitation?
other than the staffing money our office? >> the commitment be was that the site would be available. that is from ocd. the site was available for use by the department. >> director mcspadden for hsh, were there commitments obtained for funding this site from any source above and beyond add back in. >> no, although once we realized we would need more. we did reach out. i reached out to department of public works to see if we could use this as one of their pit stop sites. we thought that may help with bathroom situation. they already had their map and they had some close by this was not on their radar.
they weren't able to shift. we had no other funds committed. >> as you say realize this was going to require funding in excess? >> once we started to dig deeper to the program design with staff here at hsh, we started to realize i don't know when that was. i can defer to director cohen and we can get that information for you. >> i would have to get that information. >> can you estimate the months? i am trying to understand when this shifting came or realization occurred? >> this was an evolution. we looked at it and realized the bathrooms aren't coming in as affordable as we hoped they would be and we tried. that was august and sept as we
were working through the program design that costs continued to be out of line with add back and the additional resources were a challenge to support the project. >> in august would that be the best estimate of when you realized or believed that did costs would exceed what would have been set aside? >> september is probably a better estimate. >> once you had this understanding, did you contact our office, the provider, anyone outside of hsh to share that concern? >> director cohen, can you answer that question?
>> i believe we contacted public works as director mcspadden said to see if there was a way to leverage resources for that. i don't know about other contacts in terms of letting folks know around the resource question. we worked on it internally. >> did you rescind the solicitation posted seeking a provider. that was posted in september. >> did you notify the group that was selected to provide the services homeless youth alliance that you had this realization there wouldn't be funding for these other aspects of the project? at the time you had the understanding, you came to this understanding.
did you contact the homeless youth alliance when they had been selected to provide services on his site? did you let them know there wasn't funds to launch it? >> at that time we did not let the provider know, nor did we pull the solicitation. we remained optimistic we would find a solution and get costs down. the challenge continued to grow and persist. >> where were you going for the funding? you didn't pull solicitation or notify provider because you were trying to look at cost containment efforts and secure the funding or alternate department of public works to help. where did you go for funding? you didn't reach out to us. other than talking with d.p.w., what outreach was there to what
>> no, i'm saying that two things happened simultaneously. we would have proceeded if we had the opportunitying and we had it all locked in and we didn't have it locked in. >> when our office was finally notified of this in late october, by deputy director cohen, and we specifically asked were we to -- we don't accept there was a funding gap but were we to find a way to razor find those funds. would it proceed we were told, no. so, i want to first just confirm that with director cohen, that is accurate. when we spoke on october 23rd, that you confirmed that even if we were -- you confirmed the funding gap was the reason it wasn't opening and opening but also that even if we found the
money, that you couldn't guarantee that it would open? is that accurate? >> i believe that i did say that the funding gap was the primary reason as well as our priorities and i could not guarantee if funds were raised we would open the project. thank you. i will move on to other signs of questioning and i want to say just a very clear and i happy to give my of you including department of public heath or anyone on an state differently but let me clear for the public and the residents of in particular and it was absolutely never considered by anyone involved in this by any department and the small add-back designed to have a
service provider at this site, the idea that is it is claimed that is the budget for this drop-in center is accurate and only claimed begins late october. never before that. was there any suggestion that that add-back would cover the cost of renting showers and handwashing-stations and insurance and so fourth so that would obviously require additional funding and funding that we were never asked to try to find additional funding because everyone knew the project was funded. i don't know if -- i mean, is welcome, if you believe that that add-back was to offer all
those costs, and i believe it was the time the community meetings and if that's the position of any of the departments on this call, i would like to know that. thank you. let me switch gears in terms of the other reasons that are out there and give you a chance to address these regarding why this site was not open. so, the mayor was in question time last week before the supervisors responded to questions on this topic. cited three different things regarding when asked why the
site was not opening. one was that quote the entire community if not wholeheartedly in support of having services provides at that location. the -- i want to quote from hsh employee dillon schneider on the call who stated at our august 19th community meeting and i concerns on the interim use, quote, we've heard overwhelmingly from the community that there's a need continue these services and so we support our unhoused neighborhoods so let me just that seems like that a conflict between what the mayor was and i what was stated at the community meeting. is opposition from community members one of the reasons that
the plan to open this drop-in center was abandoned? >> no, the mayor is correct in saying that we never have full agreement from san franciscans on anything we try to do. it's absolutely true and it's not what we were looking with with this site. as i mentioned, we understood we didn't have the full amount of money that we needed simultaneous to the fact i was trying streamline our priorities as the department. the 27th argument raised by the mayor was around the money budgeted not being enough. we've gone through that and discussed that and my question
is we respect to this site and the decision not to proceed with the drop in center and wire concerned about cert advises part of that may. >> so we have concerns about accountability always with all of our providers and we need to do as a department is to really get a handle on how we're track ago count ability and looking at outcomes that is something that i'm tasked with doing and as we
buildup our monitoring staff and really look at our contracting, that's one thing that i'm very concerned about. as a department. we're not concerned about any one program. we have issues of accountability across the board and that's because we've been understaffed and are really working with our providers, somewhat, not just internally but thinking about out comes and thinking about accountability together but no, i don't think specifically for this site and that is not something that came into the decision to the department. >> thank you for clarifying. i appreciate of course the accountability is a big part of the work you do with providers and i really and it sounds like issues around accountability
involving services for youth were not a factor in your december not to proceed. i don't want to put words in your mouth. >> i know that mayor breed has a lot of experience in the district and may no more than i do about accountable issues in the directing and that was not what caused us to not move forward with this. >> thank you, do you know what accountability issues the mayor was referring to? >> i do not. >> do you have accountability concerns with respect to the -- on larkin street and how they conduct homeless services? >> i do not. thank you. the mayor is quoted in a co valley improvement news letter
as having a meeting with that group and a group called state health that was informed to oppose the safe sleeping site. according to the cbia news letter, the group met with the mayor october 21st at 4:00 p.m. which the mayor stated, quote, let me just say this before we start, it's not going to happen during the conversation about the interim site. the mayor believes, i don't believe the group chose to manage the drop in center had the best interest of the neighborhood in mind. can you -- do you agree with that characterization of the group selected? >> i don't know enough about the group selected honestly, to make that characterization. as i said, i've been in job a very short time and i'm trying really hard to meet with all the
providers we work with. i have yet to meet with that particular group. i'm trying to get through the list but it's a lot. >> who selected with the solicitation is there a pan et or is it a individual discussion? i mean decision on your part or whose decision was it to select them to fulfill the services laid out in the solicitation? >> as i said, they were the only applicant to the s.o.i. that we put out and i would have to defer to director cohen about whether there was a panel because my understanding is usually if there's only one that there's not a whole panel but those decisions do not have happen at my level.
it's believing the group it's in a position to carry out services in the solicitation, correct. >> yes, providers would have to make the minimum qualifications to be considered whether or not there's only one applicant. >> did hsh staff attend if i meetings in-person or virtual with safe healthy as described in their news letter? >> don't worry about their news letter. did you attend meetings with those groups? >> i was in one meeting. >> when was that? >> i don't know. i would have to go back through my calender and look.
>> do you know what month? >> it was in october. >> and do you know about how long before it was announced to our office and the provider that the plans for the drop-in center were no longer going to proceed? >> i had briefed the mayor before that meeting happened that we were not planning to move forward with this. we didn't have enough money and that we really needed to focus on our priorities. >> when is that? >> i'm sorry? >> when was that? >> it was before that meeting. >> ox. i want to reiterate, this is the reason we submit all these kinds of questions pre hearing, as i
understand, sometimes you need to reference calendars or talk to folks to nail down when different meetings occurred. when public comment is happening if you can pull that up or just it's important when that meeting and when you advised would occur and when the meeting occurred. did those groups express opposition to interim use of 7:30 standing? >> >> it was only one group that i met with and i don't know the other group. yes, people were concerned about 7:30 standing in the interim use. >> was this the meeting was the mayor said it wouldn't be happening, that was i was quoting from or was that a
subsequent meeting? >> i don't recall that part. there was discussion about that and it was more of a listening session. >> who from hsh told these community groups that opposed the site the interim use of the site that it would not be proceeding? was that deputy director cohen "snl." >> i don't believe we told this group. >> that was the mayor's statement at a meeting was the only notice to those groups? >> do you know if the providers of the youth alliance had been notified before the mayor had notified the opponent that this wouldn't move forward. >> i don't know the answer to that, i am sorry. >> supervisor preston, the
homeless youth alliance was notified the same day i notified you. >> ok. >> thank you i'm just looking to see and it looks like that's the same day that cbia met with the mayor and the mayor said it's not going to happen. that was the day you notified our office as well? >> was this done the same day? >> i don't know the date of the mayor's meeting i can't speak to that but i know that we alerted your office and youth alliance within hours of each other.
>> thank you. what are the -- what are the plans for this site. director shaw talked generally about them but are there specific plans right now to provide any services of this site? >> that would be a question for director shaw and i believe he is on by phone. i believe he said his computer died. >> i am, thank you, very much. so right now as i shared, i believe in a conversation with you as well, we had been actively talk to go other departments in line with our policy for interim youth but the plan right now is to ensure this site is secured and that security will be there. we are having conversations with other agencies that may have interest in using the site as
well. >> so no current plan by homeless services and any other youth that is in place. >> that's correct, sir. we are a shared and we've had conversations with other departments if they have interest in the site once again the questions on funding and the program capacity but there's a clear direction and fingers crossed and the site has to be delivered to the developer for construction of 2022 and there are requirements around access to the site for soil testing and other things that may need to happen in lieu of this?
>> so i think director shaw, i'm sorry, director cohen can talk about our other things that we're doing beyond what i said, maybe a little bit more detail about how it effects. >> absolutely. as director mcfadden said, we're rolling out services for homeless tay and we're excited about the flex subsidy pool as well as the two new acquisitions that the director spoke about. i think it's also important and dph is on the line so i don't want to speak for them, but there's new funding for tay
behavioral health they're that goes to dph and there's an opportunity to work with the community to determine sort of the process for those funds and how it might be well paired with these add-back dollars. again, those conversation are just being initiated and then are a community process for those funds. >> thank you. any plans currently for a homeless -- a tay navigation center? >> we would be open to that discussion but no site has been identified as a viable opportunity. >> thank you, i did want to bring in department of public-health. thank you for your patients. i believe dr. ford is on with us. i wanted to just ask you,
welcome you and ask you a couple questions and thank you for your responses to the pre hearing questions. maybe i can just run through the statements you made and just confirm some of these things. you stated that department of public-health met with hsh to discuss services at the drop-in center at 730 stanyan and whether any discussion of budgetary experience was part of that. >> i have to go through my calender but it was when, shortly after the add-back money and we did discuss the funds would not be enough to cover and we were questioning why such a
little amount was actually put to that. >> what were you told in response to that? i think your responses to the questions consist of, our understanding, that the 90,000 was intended to have staffing at the site and when you raise the terms about the other costs, what was the response? >> i think it was everything that the director brought up that they were going to look for other ways to actually cover the cost of the facility. >> did they ask dph to cover the cost? >> well the funding came to dph and we discussed it wasn't within our scope and certainly we're in support of whatever would be the best for the
community. so, we did discuss what would be some of the alternatives but we don't -- it's not something the department of public-health does outside of covid when we were able to support and even then. for any kind of facility it's not something that the department does. >> when did you learn that plans for the site would not proceed and there was a change of plans? >> after she had found out which i think is actually on a different day. we didn't find out and i had it confirmed on the 28th of october when i reached out to hsh. >> got it. is there anything else you'd like to add? you've been listening to the
whole discussion and president-elect. is anything you wanted to add? >> no questions but i can answer any questions you may have. >> i was going to move to public comment. i may have some additional questions after public comment. supervisor chan. >> thank you, chair preston. and i really appreciate the line of questioning. frankly, it's being painful to listen to some of the answers by our city department heads as well as our staff because i think that structurally, the
challenges for our city department to do good work, without political influence, is evident along this line of questioning. at least that's from my observation. during the last, you know, a good 20 or 30 minutes of this back and fourth and trying to drawdown a timeline and i think the elephant in the room is the fact that it seems that there was a good-faith effort to move forward with the pop-up servings transient youth but because of political influence, by the administration, the decision was up ended. i just want to put it out there.
to really i look forward to hearing from them as well. thank you. >> thank you supervisor chan and i appreciate your comments and say do want to recognize that it's pretty rare that any of us bring before commit, i think this is crucial because of the importance of supporting homeless folks and it is a steed wide issue but it relates when a department makes a promise to
the community unambiguously to do something. i don't think we can take lightly. it's undermines frankly efforts by hsh, ocd and others not just here but in other parts of the city and to the folks who apply and to solicitations and if the rug can just be pulled out and certainly really need to kind of get to the bottom of it. before we go to public comment, i did want to welcome and acknowledge the director of public youth alliance who has been on and is available for questions and mary howe, thank you for your work on the safe sleeping site and reporting our unhoused neighbors in the hague. and i want to give you an opportunity to make limited comments and also specifically on the issue of funding.
i would like to better understand, as i said before, our office asked, if we were to find this money, would you then honor your promise hsh to open this site and we were told no, we can't guarantee that and i'm curious on your end, if there was any thought given to other sources of funding if anyone has raised months ago and said hey, we wanted to do this but there isn't enough money because of xyz whether your organization would have been or may have been in a position to secure those funds. and open that site. so welcome mary howe. >> thank you exercise preston and everyone else present. and thank you for calling this hearing. i think it was made very clear to us as we chose to wind down the safe sleep site that the city was committed to leaving
the bathrooms and showers and hygiene facilities on site. if that once the case, obviously we would have advocated for a much higher add-back to fund the services appropriately. it was very clear to me that those facilities were to be left on site and it was really just about the staffing for the project. that was never in question on my side. >> thank you. and had that been raised, i don't want to get too much into hypothetical but had throw threemonths ago, you were told there's a $200,000 gap, obviously our office would have advocated for additional funds but i am curious whether your organization would still have been pursuing this and trying to find additional funding, had
that been going to you? >> definitely, i think even now it's a little unclear if the city is open to do anything on this site. we would be willing to try to secure additional funds if we were given like a clear budget of how much those items cost. we have a quite a large donor base. >> can you speak to the issue that i was having some back and fourth around just the timing of this and it's very strange from our office perspective how last minute this notice was regarding this change of plans. had you heard -- what's your understanding of when the youth alliance was notified verse wheg having a drop in center were notified and do you have any
recollection about that? >> i do. i was told on october 22nd, at around 6:30 in the evening that was friday, and in that phone call i was also told that the neighbors had already been notified. it was clear to me that we were maybe not the first to know. >> obviously, on behalf of a representative of the city, let me apologize for that, although it was not my doing, i think after the truly heroic work that you all have done through the pandemic, on behalf of folks who are so often forgotten about and left to die in the streets, and i know you all worked around-the-clock at great personal sacrifice, and to not get a heads-up as the provider who is against stepping up to the plate to serve the most
vulnerable folks in the hague, i just to the ex tents i request speak on behalf of the city i want to apologize to you for that. with that, mr. clerk, can we open the public comment lines on this item. >> clerk: thank you, mr. chair. we continue to work with michael from department of technology who is bringing us the public comment callers wait north the queue for their opportunity to address the committee. for those watching our meeting on cable channel 26 or streaming link or through sfgov tv.org. call in now following the instructions on the screen. call and after that enter the meeting i.d. which is 249 211-8986 and then press the pound symbol twice that will put you in listening mode. if you wish to speak, dial star followed by 3 i