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and not have to wait and in and out, that should be able to come in easily stay as long as i needed to to do my work and go out. and that is why i have a russian fresh boy, i call it a russian past board because i am a swish citizen. i am an american citizen, and i am very happy to join that chill russian. sir, you described yourself as a writer, but i'm sure he's, you're being very humble here because you're not just a writer, you're a person who's done a lot for the bilateral relationship between our countries. even though you did it in your private citizens capacity. don't you think that this decision of yours to require the russian passports, for whatever reasons, even for the reasons of convenience, will long produce some uproar in your own country? it definitely will not, because i have informed the americans from the beginning. i don't lose my american
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citizenship. i happened to be the daughter of a diplomatic swiss family. i was born in new york because my father was beginning. his career in unit is saith as a swiss says, as was diplomat. i have all my relatives in switzerland, french was my 1st language. i studied in friends. i absolutely consider myself as citizen of many countries and of the world. i would like to be. well, as you just said, you were born in the united states to the family of us was diplomat. you started in this or born, so i assume you have been pretty cosmopolitan throughout your entire life. but even such your worldly person as you should have. i think would have a notion of home. one does whole mean to you and where is it not just geographically, but let's say so fully. we to kind of you to ask my heart my, my actual living place happens to be in the state of maine, which is,
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as you will know, the, the state closest to canada in the united states. it is a fishing town. and on the atlantic ocean, i have been there since 6 years old. when i will go there in the summers. now i have a house there which is a copy of pushkin's house in the island square. i billed it that way. we. my heart home is in petersburg and i began in petersburg. i love petersburg. i have a very small apartment in petersburg and that is where i work and that it now are an american applying for arm. russian citizenship is still quite a rarity this days. i don't have the most recent stats, but in 202148 americans received the russian passport, which is still only a fraction of the russians are applying for the american citizen. make sure there
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is. what do you think russia could do more or perhaps do better in order to attract people like yourself? the 1st thing is my position has remained the same all these many years. i have been very fortunate to know as many russians who have afforded their friendship for their help and help in my work as well. but i also, of course, have many friends in america, american citizen i, i love americans and i think the 2 pupils are very suited to each other. that is my personal view. and my personal view is that, well, it is more important in my view, important than ever that switch that you, the united states and russia develop a constructive relationship. because i think if we can do that and i'm hope and we
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can, it would be better for the whole world. now i think some of your life experience could contribute to that, because are at a certain, peter, if you were instrumental to humanizing the relationship between our 2 countries. but let's start from the beginning because it is, you written many books, but i think your own la storia really reads like a novel. you 1st came to russia, looking for more information about him ophelia, a red blood condition that i think your son and this on of the last russians are, will. yes, they did do share there, but hemophilia in, he murphy is pretty rare. usually it is a pass down in families, but every country has a certain number of hemophilia who are born for no reason at all. i just, i phone want to say scientifically, it took over a quick repressive. i never say the right word, reached gena, in other words,
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or the same ophelia should be dead, but they're not. they keep reappearing occasionally in every country. well, as it turned out, i have been to get one to, but it is very rare. it, i mean, rich considering and for me in my swiss family, we had, i had 22 male 1st cousins. impossible. and i was dentist to be as fun, but they go spontaneous on a case. and that's what are as far as i understand, brought you to leningrad back in the late 19 sixty's. now i think by any account, a young american lady appearing in st. petersburg or aligning rather that time to do research and hemophilia is i wasn't very near the phone. i wasn't doing any with children hemophilia. there was nothing to learn here at all. we came because my husband and a writers, and we did what we did was write
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a book about the him ophelia and its effects. on of course zealous are and his wife, alexandra. so we were coming for one reason only, which was to see for the 1st time the capital word 1st happened. at that time, there was nobody in petersburg, it was a dark city, and there were no can chose, there was nothing. and so we arrived and we were allowed exactly 3 days by the government up because we were individual travelers and we arrived there i, i had never been nourish her and i and we were, i was planning to do all my work. since i speak french and i wrote french better than english at a time. and i went to universities in paris, and i thought, and i got a very large scholarship from the french government to, to go to
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a very well ill at the french are very particular about their language out inner city. so i thought my love was going to be inference always, and then i came for the 1st time to russia to see petersburg. i never been here. i didn't know anybody, but i will tell you that when i got off the plane, i sniffed the air and i said, i like it. now i don't know why i said that, but that's my 1st reaction. i like it. well, when i looked at the cathedral, i said the same thing. i like it. then i said to myself, somebody will find me. well, somebody did. a poet found me in a palace and that led me to all the poets and r is, let me ask you about that because i know that you met many of the russian dissident writers personnel. and, ah, i see,
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you know how much they are suffering from either being in exile after they immigrated to the united states or being ostracized here at home. now, as you said, times at different now you don't have to give up your american citizenship. you don't have to limit yourself in any way, but i wonder if in a way, you're also living out a bit of a dissident. i fade because receiving a russian citizenship at this period. historic appearance is a bit scandalous. i know you want to down play if you don't see anything political to it. but it's still, there's still an open question about how it's going to be received given, especially i have announced it. i have told, are countable, everybody knows this is not a secret. and everybody knows why, and everybody knows also that all my work, i mean my writing and everything is taken place in the last years here. and why is
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that? because my goal is always to try to explain russia better than many americans know it. i don't mean better could, but simply more completely than they do and that's what i did. and that's why i wrote the books i've written because americans, alas, there are many americans who don't know much about you and just don't know you. and i think that's a great loss for those people myself. i try to re educate them a little bit. now you're being very humble about your legacy with you are not only a writer, you also advised the reagan administration in your private citizens capacity reaches outstanding. because as far as i understand, you didn't actually get paid for that. i didn't want to get paid for it because i, i happened to be swiss and this is have a good saying, whoever pays also decides june. well,
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i'm independent and i am really in the bed. and so i didn't want any limitation or any money from anybody. well, that's very commendable. but i'm wondering whether, you know, an american lady who has traveled down to the soviet union, who has written pretty warmly about that country as you did here, where you received with any suspicion in america. no, i think i'm sure you know, this is a matter of a, the government. as a care, some parallels right here. the government is not the people. what has always interested me most in russia has been. then i wrote that ordinary people. i mean, i met them 1st. if i wished the poet they, i knew exactly. nobody knew them then it's time now. right now they are quite famous. i did do the 1st spoke about the put,
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which of lenny good is go the living there. they are 5 there, and i believe me, it was not me who killers them, it was the best friend of march of so i and that's why i tell you, i'm very in, you know, influenced by that city. but i knew them as a matter of fact, in march of this year, there is going to be a forum at the university of st. petersburg about these boys who at the time were unknown and but that is true. they were unknown. they but i think no one is better to introduce you to a city than a poet. that's absolutely true. as you know, as a resident of saint petersburg, i absolutely, i tested that matter mastery. have to take a very short break right now so that you can get a sip of water and thank you with your on some advertising, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. ah
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ah, welcome back to wells far. this is on massy former adviser to president ronald reagan on the russian affairs matter. massey, you said before the break or if you were primarily interested in, in the people to people exchanges and developing ties between the people. but let's talk about politics a little bit. the politics of your time because you managed to inspire one of the most powerful people on the planet at that time. i'm talking about ronald reagan and i read somewhere that he got interested in your expertise after reading your book land of the firebird. the beauty of old russia and i think to a russian, it's a very touching book because it's full of deep understanding and empathy for russia's historic plight. but i know that, for example, as under soldier, needs and have doubts whether it's going to be well received in the united wrote a letter, beautiful letter about it. he did, i had that i. i wept when i got it from him. i really did so beautiful leather and
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one of my most precious possessions, but deep. he doubt i read that he had doubts that the americans, the american public would receive these book because of the british in this book. well, because of this sympathy that you know, it was here that he told me very nicely. and leon was old and russian, but he said that he thought that the passage of the book might not be like, but that he hoped i would not change my blog or odin land division. yeah, to inform the rebel intention or honorable movement to inform the american public jewel for me is to inform about russia to continue with my effort of information about russia and, and, and about russians. and he said, and that means also, today's, and i never forget that, as i told you,
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as the american public and the american forget the american administration of any kind. right now, it's put them oliver. and they're completely different anyway. so you say, let's forget the american administration, but i want to focus on the ronald reagan a little bit because one of the things that surprised me the most is that a person in his capacity, he was the president had the time and the interest to actually read a book about something, i mean it wasn't there feature of the time or off. ah, you're a person, lou. i then our press. usually they made an awful lot of fun about him because he was an actor as you know and, and they said it will. they never read anything. this was a pure lie. you have to know as much as i know about the background reagan, but ron reagan was not able to see when he was a child. and he was very near sighted and he couldn't even see the leaves on the
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trees. he became a great reader, nancy, his wife told me that he never went to sleep at night without reading now. he was eclectic. reader attracted greeter. he read all kinds of things. now i know he did read all my books. in the end, i even came after his presidency with nancy to visit fathers that i had written a book about. but he was a you, i know that this is how he was called in america. he was a people 1st. and of course, he had hundreds of advisors politically, but he was an actor. he was interested in people, reagan was a man who could talk to anybody. that's amazing. he, he liked them and he could actually make anybody feel at ease right away in one of your interests here. earlier interviews you said a what i thought pre content to think that while most politicians are interested in
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appearances, he was as an actor. as a former actor, he was interested in sort of psych as psychological dynamics. what makes people tick? that's true, was it a genuine drive on his part or more of an effort to sort of the, to master the art of manipulation? no, i know ronald reagan, which is why he is now as you may know, one of the most popular president ever in a he 1st of all he was religious. second me a very good private sense of believer. secondly, he was totally honest. he really was, he was honest, he didn't think in terms of manipulation. unless you want to say than an actor can manipulate an actor. and it was really very true. he took care very seriously. an actor wants to know how people feel inside about everything. for instance,
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he was very interest interested in russian humor. and he has been an irishman in the irish. oh is have a joke. oh, is he? he began almost every feature of a game with a job. so he treasured and i would bring some home with me every time i came do it, i would bring him. he loved especially as he said, the jokes it rose and tell about themselves. it was one he loved so much that he repeated it so many times that they everywhere he was, he repeated this joke. he absolutely love jokes. i learned a lot from him as far as speaking his concern and i spoke, i have lecture to every single state in the united states and 3 military colleges. and when people laugh, they tend to remember what to say. so i and i found that that's really true. you it, you get the attention to visit immediately when they laughed. he also knew how to
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make a compliment. i read somewhere that perhaps, or at your advice i here made a decision to sort of complement the resilience, the strength, the beauty of the russian women. when he was preparing his speech are for the soviet television. and, you know, it's interesting to hear the russian r woman, why do you think that angle was? well, i will tell you why it's very simple. remember, i was the only woman in the administration, o'regan now, before the visit to moscow, the big important visit to monica. a group of the best soviet analysts enemy, was asked to come to the white house to talk. everybody had 3 minutes, 3 minutes. they were all so important these gentlemen, that they had to be seated alphabetically in a v. i was m. now m comes all the way around here. shall you see me sort of stuck
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in there, m. and then the biggest and most important professor at harvard was you and we're sitting right there. well, when men and these forms get together, they can to use and lose them for a long speech or so them. and we had 3 minutes. each person, each one of them read a longs feet present was going to sleep. i really, really was and when he got to me, i realize i had 3 minutes. so i said, mister president, if i were a politician, i would say something about russian women. i said they have been so strong. they have been so courageous. i and, and he said, i believe you, i know, he said. but he said, when i say that, i always say that we will, we men would be in skins if it weren't for women. and but i get in trouble. he said for that, where he woke up. and yes,
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he said it 3 times he kept saying it in the 1st time was even the funniest because he got here. and the 1st journalist asked him, and he said, i want to speak about russian women. and then when finally, look for your journalist, fine. he said, well, we, i go to, you know, he kept saying it. and he said 3 times he kept saying it all the time that the russian men actually took their sons e. they really didn't know what the answer, you know. and but it was the truth. i mean, i like to say only the truth and i knew very well how courageous russian women had been blocked you to you from petersburg. anybody who's ever known anything about the $900.00 days knows about women and what they did out the russian women. i believe deeper in my heart that if it were the russian women that allowed russia to survive, russia is a she, even though we have
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a lot of our sort of protect her mentality among our men. and perhaps because of that, we have that protector mentality among our leaders. but generally speaking, russia has survived on the backs of the women. i could not agree with you more i. i have had a chance to see it. i have very close friends in petersburg who are very if 1 may say the word ordinary, it's not that they're ordinary. they're just quiet. and i must say, i know that and that's why i said it. cause i said, when i got there, mister president, had i, if i were person i said i'd like to talk about a very different at the if i were present, i would talk about that. and that's when he said, yes, i agree, but we get, i get the trouble for that. oh, it does say that the easy he did, he was, he had that genius of knowing and it really was a genius. he was sensitive to people and anybody could talk to him. absolutely
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anybody you know. yeah. when he asked her, he at suggested that garage of a look at the kremlin. so he asked go, rachel, a garage overs, him up. how did you, i think women knew reagan said, he said, i like anything that older than me. i'm sure even though you are trying to play down your role, are you contributed to that you've been? are widely credited for helping to build bridges between our countries and our cultures. and i think it wasn't easy back at the time because of the many fierce, legitimate tears. and the stereotypes maintained in part because of the existence of the iron curtain. why do you think those fears and stereotypes prevail till this day if not floors, despite the fact that we have technology and until recently we had open borders. we had 3. i know you will gladly. i watched this very carefully. i'm very interested. listen,
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i had my trouble with borders here at many. and so i know what it looks like. and i tell you when i 1st got here, guess what the 1st question was? do you have pornography or the bible? well, you know, to look like somebody who would be in for yeah, well center room to russia were in any way. that's not the case also. ah, well, i can only tell you that what i did, i, i know what i did do, and that was a reagan was interested in learning. and so i answered his questions. i did, answered every question and, and as he was a reader, which not many people know, but he really read and when he started to read. so did nancy. so they were both reading about russia, not just me and not just my books, but everything and that is a good thing. and it did. i'm
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a little bit louder. that reagan when he 1st came, he, he only did it once and i'm happy to tell you he never did it again when he met me . when he said there was, it was the core of all evil. you know, that terrible thing at the, it was at the van jericho's funeral. anything about the evangelicals, you know, how they feel about gummies, but in any case, he did say that and i know people here remember it, but i'm happy to say he never used it again, and i'm happy for that. and thank you for that matter. mess we have to leave it there, but i hope that we can get more cultural ambassadors like yourself because party countries are definitely in benito. far humanizing it each other in each other's eyes and well, it's nice and you're very human. you tremendously human and i think it's a wonderful thing that you can help americans with for many reasons. but honestly you are and i believe that we need each other more than ever. now that's just my
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feeling. but what i see there, and when i see here, i really do, i think you can bring an enormous amount and i'm not talking about weapons and all that it, it really, it's important that you and we are able to exchange our different talent, not a mess we have to live there. thank you very much for your work in. thank you. i'm very glad to meet you and thank you for watching hope to searing again next week on . well, the part, ah ah,
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