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also we look forward to the new year. what does 2020 to have in store for us? will we be living in interesting times? i crossed talking 2021. i'm joined by my guest. georgie brower in bristol, she is deputy leader of the workers party. brittany, as well as author of the drive to war against russia in china and in paris. we cross a john laughlin, he's a university lecture in history and political philosophy are a crosswalk, rules and effect. that means it can jump in any time you want. now it's appreciate john, let me go to you 1st and in paris some how did the neo liberal project, neo liberalism, and as, as an ideology fair in 2021. because i, i would say it did very, very poorly as it should because it's an ideology that m a is collapsing all around . is an every facet of the every facet. it touches go ahead, john. while i thing 2021 was the year in which the oh well
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deletes. but i'm not sure that i would call them their liberal and consolidated their grip on power. i'm thinking of course of the, at the beginning of the year when trump was evicted from the white house and replaced by joe barton, who is an expression, a perfect expression of those deletes and of their grip on power. but if i question the use of the word neo liberal, which i do think does apply to them, because i don't think they are liberal anymore in any sense. they're not near liberal or liberal. and they are instead a marxist sto capitalist. or what i mean by that is that there is a and again this was exemplified at the beginning of the year in january, by the now 2nd appearance of teaching ping. at the devil swelled economic forum. he originally appeared in 2017 when trump was elected. this year he appeared again albeit virtually, and he was welcomed then as before, by couched bob,
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the head of that forum, who again is a very emblematic figure for these well business cities and shop said to him, you have shown us mister president, the principles which should guide us on our common path and that phrase expresses this horrible convergence between totalitarian communism of the kind which exists in china, which as we know has a very strong capitalistic element and western capitalism. and that i think is the way to characterize 2021. it's the, it's the end of animal farm when the pigs and the farmers reconcile and get back together again over the heads of the animals. that's the world we're living in in 2021. okay, let's go to bristol, that's a very interesting take. i think there's a lot of different ways you could approach a child to go. i had you react about and, and of course, you know, the, it's still the original question to you. go ahead. oh, well, the thing that i've really noticed about this year is that and capitalism,
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imperialism, you can call it nick neoliberalism. that to me, it's simply capitalism with the gloves off, you know, and what we call neo liberalism, this era when capitalism imperialism has been taking its gloves off, is really the era of, after the collapse of the soviet union capitalism, the imperialists felt they had to put the gloves on to an extent they had to grant a lot of concessions to their workers because of the threat of socialism when they felt that threat recede. they got a huge shot in the arm economically, but also philosophically they fell, emboldened to just do what they wanted to do to act in accordance with the nature of their system. so i don't really talk about neoliberalism. i just talk about imperialism. and, and to me, this year has really exposed the total in humanity and irrationality of the imperialist system. when you have a system where the only rationale for doing anything is will it make a pot of money into a bigger pos of money. and the needs of human beings are nowhere in the equation.
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and then you have the anarchic nature of production, which is totally irrational. we end up with the situation we've seen this year, whereby we had vaccines produced and actually 1st produced in russia. if there was any sense in the world, the sputnik vaccine would have been distributed globally immediately and ended the pandemic. but that isn't what happened because there's this competition for, for profiteering out of the health crisis, which distorts all of the actions. our governments in the west take deb, they're looking at this not as a, primarily a health issue, but as an issue for business. how to make the most money for big business, for monopoly and the monopolization of vaccines. you know, the fact that there is this now kind of politics of letting, letting it run run rampant. so there's more variance. so there's an ongoing need for vaccines, rather than getting over in touch with the fact that western countries won't
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recognize vaccines that don't come from one of the big monopolies. won't give out vaccines cheaply to people who need them, or hoarding them, or putting terrible conditions on to governments before they will let them buy vaccines. are depriving countries of vaccines. you know, this really shows the true in humanity of a system that is running. well, i think we have a lot actually lot in common. i'm a little bit surprised here, john, i think also, i mean, i'm glad that the issue of kobe didn't. vaccines was brought up here. i mean, not only, of course, from particularly an american perspective, i mean, it's a huge amount of money that's being drained from, from working people. and at the same time, these lock downs and mandates are punishment enough. but john, it's also about expressions of power and being able to determine, get your way. i mean, force your will. and you, and it's legitimize through a health crisis here. and we all know, we all know that once you lose those rights, they never come back. they never come back. ok until they come up with the next,
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you know, i guess it's going to be the new green deal crisis climate. you know, then again, more rights being denied here. it only goes in one direction. and it seems to me irrespective of your political color ration all around the world, you know a little tyrants. enjoy 2021 john. yeah, i mean i, i agree with some of what the previous speaker said i, i am on the other hand, i think that the imperialist, the specifically imperialist dimension is surely on the wayne at the moment. the, the big event of 2021 is surely the retreat from afghanistan. that is the defeat of imperialism. or, of course, the mindset persists, but the fact is, that the united states, the imperialist power, has been routed. now just as the british empire was routed in the middle of the 19th century from that country, and instead of what i see, i mean, you know, you mentioned monopoly as well. firstly,
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monopolies can't be in the plural by definition. and what we see is a terrible collusion between these big pharmaceutical companies. yes. and states and all in the name of internationalism. in other words, the, the, the, i don't want to be rude, but the rather sort of primitive socialist analysis doesn't really work. because you have international ism, and very heavy, massive state involvement. it's the states that are buying the vaccines. it's the states that are forcing the vaccines on people, as peter says, at the cost of, at the terrible cost of personal liberty. there is a collusion between states and big business, which everyone can see and that i'm afraid doesn't fit into a, a standard socialist analysis. or because in the socialist analysis normally would be the states that we're standing up to the no, to the big companies. in this case they are colluding. and they're colluding in a way that is completely compatible with one world. a globalism one world.
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internationalism, because everyone's doing the same thing. and in particular, as i said in my 1st remarks, it's between the, the so called capitalist west or the so called west and communist china. that's the collusion it, sir, between western states. a common states and big business. and they are colluding to establish a world dictatorship. that's really the only way to describe it. just a and bristol, you want to respond to that because i think, i think, you know, one of the thing and you, and i've had a conversation in the past one on one. remember, remember those days, you know, we can go through the lexicon all we want here, but i see your point. i see john, go ahead and react with john just said, go ahead. so imperialism, and i would really recommend all of you as to go and read linens, the con, imperialism, because it's not what people commonly imagine. imperialism is the advanced most developed stage of capitalism. it's a, it's a world economic system. it is also known as monopoly capitalism. and yes,
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you're right, the state has become very powerful, but the state is a state of the monopolies. it acts on behalf of the monopolies. and that as soon as you realize that you, you understand why it takes the decisions it takes in favor of big business constantly and against the interests of the massive people who it pretends to be acting on behalf of it acts on behalf of the monopolies. you know, i'm the committed earlier that, sorry this, the speaker before said earlier that m r, you know, the, the way the state behaves is good as kind of socialist. but actually, if you read capital, if you read marx, he was pointing out 150 years ago. that in the capitalist system, debt is nationalized i, it's paid for by the working class. profit is the privatized. it goes to the wealthy and that's exactly the same as we're seeing now just on a bigger and bigger and bigger scale. um and the battle we were talking about the,
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the battle for rights of working people seems to go one way peter. that's absolutely right. well, we have capitalism. the best the workers can do is fight incredibly hard to stand still. and the 2nd, they're not fighting incredibly hard, they're going backwards. and even standing still means that more and more of the proportion of societies wealth is going to the rich to the owners of capital. and so even standing still in terms of a, a level of existence means becoming relatively poorer in terms of the amount of societies wealth that comes to the workers. and let's not forget that it's the workers who are producing that wealth. that's what i mean when i talk about the system being absolutely irrational as well as anti human m. you're talking about china. now there's a lot of confusion about china, but you already have to look at the way that china has managed that health crisis to see that he has absolutely put the people 1st. they have responded to
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coded as a health crisis and put the needs and the health of the people absolutely paramount in everything they've done as a side effect. their economy has actually said better, but it done so on the basis of taking care of the needs of the people. yes, china has a huge market element to its economy now. and to that extent, it wants to be accepted as a market economy in the, in the, in the world. institutions that are supposed to govern it in, in any way that that's possible. the world's market economy. i'm going to jump in here. we have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on 20212022 state without me. ah ah
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ah, one of the worst ever mass shootings in america was in las vegas in 2017. the tragedy exploded a little of the real las vegas, where many se elected officials are controlled by casino knows the dank is shooting, revealed what the l v n p d really is. and now it's part of the stand machine. most of the american public barely remembers that it happens. that just shows you the power of money and las vegas. the powerful showed that true colors when the pandemic hit the most contagious contagion that we've seen in decades. and then you have a mayor who doesn't care. so here's caroline goodman, offering the lives of the vegas residence to be the control group. to the shiny facades conceal a deep indifference to the people. wives could have been saved if they were to take an action. absolutely, keep the registering and keep the slot machines doing business as
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a money machine is a huge cash register that is ran by people who don't care about people's lives. being loss with i was diagnosed with cancer in 2009 when the doctors told me the cancer was incurable. i knew i had to make a change. so i decided to travel to one of the most toxic places in america. florida. one of florida is biggest industries and best kept secrets is fostering and the biggest layer is $85000000000.00 industry. is mosaic, and i, there are reports of millions of gallons of contaminated water now flowing into the florida aqua for my there's the chronic. oh well, you know, i don't love to hear that work towards me, but that's what it is. i'm in 2013 my,
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all our family dog, my brother was 21 years old, myself and my father were all dying. hello pro. did they brought a black hole and the good way? yeah. yeah. maybe they'll actually work for hill is more important. ah, welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered? i'm peter developed from and you were discussing 20212022. ah. okay, let's go back to john in paris. you know, one of the events of 2021 that i found really quite fascinating was this rather ridiculous democracy summit. the virtual one i think of. everyone remembers here
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and you know, it all of this talk about a democracy, but for me it was just, it was a very, very much an ideological show to data maintain, had gemini, because is the, it was presented as, you know, a confident western lead world. i with, with that while back by their ideology, the course they don't call it neo liberalism, but you know, they call it democracy, rule of law, all of this type of thing. but i actually thought it was more of a, a virtual presentation out of desperation. but they're losing at their losing control. okay. and they're trying to maintain a narrative here. and of course, you know, i mean, you know, everybody likes puppies. everybody likes democracy. i mean, you know, it's, it's one of the, it's ridiculous facade for me. and it was a ridiculous exercise, but it was actually, you know, the west trying to, you know, maybe tell everyone, hey, we're still in control. we're still in control. don't worry. which of course is it is, is actually a demonstration of desperation. your thoughts, john? definitely. i, it's important though, to say that this idea of having
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a lines of an, an alliance of democracies instead of the multilateral un system is a very old one. i could go back 10 or 20 years and it was it reached, i think it's peak under george w bush. right. and the neocons, but that's 20 years ago now. and it is very much in decline. and that's why i mentioned the withdrawal from afghanistan in, in the 1st part of the show, you know, the fact is the americans were defeated. they have hundreds of military bases all over the world. they are quite clearly an empire. they have the biggest military budget. i far and yet, or they were unable to defeat the taliban after 20 years. and that is a major geopolitical event. so yes, it was a sign of desperation, this democracy summit. it's an attempt to under, to undermine the multilateral nation based system of the united nations. and
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instead to give some kind of pre eminence to countries which self identify. if i may use that word as democratic and the, the fact is that again, oh, show cheaper. i mentioned markson lennon marks a lot of what she says is, is correct. in particular, of course, about the sucking out of capital out of ordinary people's pockets. but once again, that is being done by states who are printing money like crazy. and thereby inflating away people's savings, for example, and, and, and their, and their salaries. and in the case of marx, marx predicted and wanted a world wide capitalist revolution, what he called the international bourgeois revolution. in order to bring about the dictatorship of the proletariat. on the world level, he was an internationalist, and yet it is internationalism, which is the greatest danger to liberty. and it isn't nationalism or not
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a political system based on nation states, which is the best defense of liberty. and that's exactly what we're seeing with the unraveling of the neoconservative project to create an alliance of democracies. the idea was to elbow out other countries like russia and china, in the name of democracy and to elbow out the nation based united nation system. and instead to have a, had germany, an ideological and political and military had germany based around the united states. and that effort has been unraveling now for some years. and as i say, the afghanistan de butler is a symbolic, i would say end really up to that adventure and we are now i think back in a multi polar world. and you know, it's a world in which force counts and what you know, we can see what's happening in ukraine at the moment. force is what we'll decide. yes. her, that he'll a conflict at then as ever. and frankly, i'm,
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i'm pleased if people start to realize that that is the prime mover behind international relations. not nonsense about them of democracy, which in any case is pretty rich coming from these western countries who themselves are installing a dictatorship and the name of the fight against cove it. now i am sure julian assign should have an opinion about the rule of law and democracy as he's sitting and riding in prison. okay, johnny, i me, when i'm, i'm glad john brought up our afghanistan because, you know, i, it said to strategic to feed, but you know, when it was more than anything else and a much more cynical vial way, it was a business model that went broke. okay. i mean they, they, it, it, it sucked in so much money air cream honey with getting reds in, i mean that, that's why i personally think that's why i think a lot of people didn't leave when they had the chances that now they're, they're never going to leave, i mean, it has been go on for 20 to 20 years, and it's been such a great money maker for so many people involved in it. and then it all came
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crashing down to an end. so the speed that, that kind of project, the, the, the global hedge, a monic project of the us military is far, far from over. i mean, is john brought up, i mean, ukraine is on the menu now. okay. these people don't give up here. i mean, and that's the kind of thing that i, what i find really quite disturbing, and i tend to obviously side with john here is that, you know, you know, they're sideline in the united nations. they are pushing out people, major important countries in the world that play an important role in the world stage. but there's this vanish, they're not part of allowed to be communion in the church as it were. i mean, these are with, this is a model that will never cease until it's completely destroyed, or bankruptcy itself. go ahead and, and brussel in bristol, o. m o, listen to john, are talking about their defeat for imperialism. afghanistan, and he's absolutely right. it's a world historic moment, and we have been watching for 20 or more years. the m
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and untrammelled aggression of the imperial estates in the u. s. are leading the charge and their desire to take back control of all the places in the world that had in some way resisted them. their domination and their total exploitation. and subjugation. and the defeat in afghanistan is, is huge. you know, 20 years of money material and resources failed to subdue the afghan people. and it's interesting that he talked about, you know, china colluding with the us because really we're saying the exact opposite that the primary targets of their iowa and the, and the aggression all the usa in the imperialist are russia and china precisely because they don't submit. they stand up for themselves and for their people and for their own independence and for their own right to sovereignty and, and to, and to run their countries in the way that their people see fit. and um,
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china and russia and china in particular, when it comes to afghanistan, o flooring, many countries and it's one of the reasons they, they come in for so much higher from the usa. they offering people an alternative to the neo liberal deck trap and total subjugation model. imperialism offers, they share technology, they build infrastructure, they lend a very low rates. they help countries really lift themselves up for the benefit of their people and for the mutual trading benefit of all. and this is her a threat to the ability of the usa to control the world. and that's why china is so much in the sites of the usa. and then the propaganda offensive takes many forms. and in killer this democracy, some, it really has to be seen as a part of the propaganda offensive against china. it's part of the suffering up of the populations in the west for war against china and against russia,
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letting us feel that these people are bad. there are enemies. that's why they use words like to tell it's harry and, you know, and are constantly trying to tell us that genocides are happening, that the people who are under attack are aggressive. you know, china and russia doesn't ever going to be on their board, is they don't have vices all over the world. it's, it's the usa that surrounding china and surrounding russia with its aggressive basis. but we're being given this fairy tale that china is aggressive in russia is aggressive to soften us up for war. it will in it now that we're talking about both russia and china, john in you said in your last answer, you know, force besides things. unfortunately, i absolutely agree with you because that's where we stand right now. and i unfortunately believe in 2022, we are going to see a lot of force and it's going to be very, very ugly and jumping to absolutely right. i mean, if i would just rephrase, i mean, you know there's, it's always a purity test. that's why i, by mentioned this, this democracy, somebody there you have to be pure or your ear. you're not just your ear thrown
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away, you're thrown to the wolves. you're not allowed to have your own existence and we're, we're getting that. we're at that point right now. we're at the rubicon right now as we speak. go ahead, john. well, i think we may be at the rubicon. yes. but i'm actually relatively optimistic. of course, i agree with joe t about the imperialism of the united states. i've been denouncing it for 20 years . of course, i agree that encircling russia and so on. however, if you look at the ukraine crisis, russia is accused of being about to invade ukraine. the west to said what the west has said. it's not going to fight to save ukraine. it's going to put sanctions on russia. well, that's an admission of defeat. because if to morrow russia were to invade ukraine and get sanctions put on it, russia would be the overall winner of a painful the sanctions might be. the west has already raised the white flag. and as far as china is concerned, yes, there's a lot of rhetoric against china,
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but we have to see in 2022. how it pans out, you know, i said that the big thing for months, the litmus test would be the not stream to gas pipeline. well, it's been built ok. it's not in operation yet, but it's been built against in the teeth of american opposition. i suspect it will probably go on the stream pretty soon. and the rhetoric against china, it's a little bit similar. we'll have to see, you know, is it all mouth and no trousers? because it comes against the background of many decades of collusion with china. all right, of which again, joe biden is the, is the, is the emblematic expression. so we'll have to see, does it translate into the thing? i suspect it may not translate into very much, i'm not convinced that there will be a war against china or russia. i think on the country the west at the moment is on the back foot. and i think we maybe i'm being too optimistic that i, we do see now
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a return to the multilateralism which rusher in particular has been asking for now for, for well over a decade. chelsea, i'll give you the last 25 seconds of the program. go right ahead. thanks, jones upset you write false is the ultimate decide. and so we should be very glad that the m team period is camp, is strong enough to defend itself and fight back. we only need to look at the difference between what's happened to north korea and what i'm to libya to understand what happens when people who want to be independent to so on themselves . now, very too tragic examples to think of at the same time here as we close out the are many thanks them i guess in paris and in bristol. and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at our t. so you next time, remember, cross talk with blue
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with o s things that have happened in the world would be done by people who had a great vision of how society could be better. but that great vision is typically the left hemisphere representation is not real. it doesn't take into account any of
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the complexity of reality. the subtlety of various and complex people. i put them into categories as this love is bad, we'll get rid of them. you know, and change is an organic process. change is an evolution and the opposition is not between the status and everything must stay the same and everything must be radically changed. radical change is not the way that that was diagnosed with cancer in 2009. when the doctors told me the cancer was incurable. i knew i had to make a change. so i decided to travel to one of the most toxic places in america. florida. one of florida is the biggest industries and best kept secrets is phosphate in the biggest layer. it is an $85000000000.00 industry mosaic. and i,
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there are reports of millions of gallons of contaminated water now flowing into the florida aquifer may pro, there's a chronic i don't want to hear that word poets thing, but that's what it is in 2013 my, all our family dog, my brother was 21 years old, myself and my father were all a 100. wow. yeah. all right, and the good play. right? yeah, yeah. maybe they'll actually learn that more help is more important in a a
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russia welcome to the beginning of 2022. all regions across the vast country and pasco, red square, was lit up by huge fireworks display to so much of the rest of the world's already brought in 2022 with a bang. it's more visible in germany where the public band from buying fireworks for a 2nd straight year and a very warm greeting of the international space station astronauts to celebrate. think new year 16 times as they all. but the, we got a message from them as well for a hi there. morning. a welcome to ortiz world news at 1 am from moscow with me, kevin, i, when this very early new year's day morning, as it is with us now. russia finally welcomes in 2022 with the western region of kellen and grad. now having joined the.

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