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i'm for talk is come to an end their documents on the table and go through them and look, sign them publicly. george. you summarize that? excellent. be there. i think that's exactly what the russians saying, which is that we have been saying the same thing to you over and over again starting from 1991. when a go or assurances from the west of the west will not expand into the space left. i believe the withdrawal so i and you know, with complaint again and again the west is treated complaints with content and just say, you know, you lost the cold war, you know, then the race. and now that the geopolitical situation has changed very much in an adverse fashion where there was a still playing this game coming up with these silly,
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legalistic arguments like what every country has the summer and right to decide its own security arrangement. and, and in any case we, we never promised you anything. and even if we didn't promise you anything, we didn't put it in writing. and in any case, it was a defensive alliance. how much it makes span all the way to central asia, chinese, all those. it's still a defensive alliance. and so like coming up with this kind of nonsense and russia just say we're in no mood for a so i think you said the meetings in january or something will entail the west coming up with the usual complaint. all your interfering in our elections, and you're spreading distance nation by r t. and we don't like the way you move your armies around with borders. and it's always comes up with the filter disingenuous argument. i think the russian just say
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enough already. you know where, you know, in markets all a while, all a while offensive, very material is being sent to you ukraine. there's different source thing about the number of score specialists and advisors. and again, in the possibility of some type of missile systems. meaning that the time for talking is over because i think that really frustrated me most. and george and i talked about this almost on a daily basis, is prevalent, has been telegraphing this intensely through all of the highest officials and it's media. and it doesn't seem to get triple through it to western policy makers, is if they just don't take any of the seriously your thoughts markets, let us be and practically clear about something peter, the crunchy. so if the ukraine is in the show on accounts of the west engineers who inc here in february of 2014,
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which pro western and c rushing governments of power. and in the long term, it is a result of the nature of expansion into eastern europe and into the baltic states . something that the americans really assured me call gorbachev in 1990 was not happened. indeed. then american secretary of state james baker said to go, but joseph quote, not one inch 8th, 2 baths. alas, the naive, incompetent food that gorbachev was never demand. it'll be americans that they put back in writing. now turn into the criminal and demands they all the demands for any self respecting country would make, namely, about nato puts into rights in the clenches in rights. and that it will not admit ukraine, georgia into its ranks. and secondly, that nato will withdraw its forces from the russian order. now,
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nature is actually obliged to by the nato, russia found in act 19. 97 to not have its forces in eastern europe and also in the baltic states. which brings me on to another point. so even if nato was to put into writing what the kremlin is demanding it, a pledge by nitro, or really or in writing is actually worthless. because firstly, nato has, as well as i already said, has violated the nato. russia found an act by decision in its forces in the baltic states in eastern europe. and secondly, nature violated its own found in treaty in 1991 when it on the federal republic of yugoslavia. specifically, it violated article one of the blocks found in treaty which stipulates a block who never use force to resolve a dispute. so quite frankly, peter,
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a pledge from nature even in writing is absolutely yes. no charge to find another way to find really frustrating. you know, we've been talking for 6 minutes and 3 seconds already in this program. and all of us have mentioned dates, agreements, or conversations that are documented, i mean, and then i look at western coverage and all of this and none of it. but, i mean, we're sourcing this all the time on a microscopic level. and again, you know then, so the well, we never said, nathan, when expand what is that supposed to mean? and why should i care? i mean, is natal into international law as it's the prism in which the globe sees it security? absurd, but they don't. they want us to believe this. george, i'm frustrated. i think you have absolutely right. now that has been
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a create. and of course, what, why does the getting away with it for 30 years? is that they were convinced in 998, that russia is now a hopeless weak basket case. it's not half of the size of the soviet union. it doesn't have any kind of economic clout. and you could just treat russia with, i mean, right, you know, over over again, russia has, it made the same complaints or what was the, the, the, the claimant, munich, security conference speech by going to be put in in 2007. and then the repeated complaint and get on and they does that and you know, this is, this is so boring with on interested. you know, you don't have a leg to stand on because we are much stronger than you are. and what is happen is we were finding that, you know, they to ready isn't service for all. russia has made
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a enormous leaps in terms of it's a strategic weaponry with these type of fun weapons more seriously. and then this came out in the video conference between the put in thing, i mean, the china that we support russians call security interest channels and just say these things, you know, because it likes and the pomp of phrases that it meant that on this issue we are right behind you, and then if it comes to a confrontation, we will also act in a way that is supportive of russia. so now suddenly, i mean at least some of the bright balls in the west. i realize a, we do have a 2 front war on my hands, and there's no way we can take on 2. so at the same time, we don't think one of our own, i mean, we used to fighting against a t o panama,
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a rock, libya we're not used to fighting, so, and a to from want. so suddenly, a smarter western leaders are realizing that this is really working against us. and we know we're going to have to do something well. unfortunately that in which the shoulder bugs are still mowing these stupid cliches. and then they don't quite realize that those they supposed leases are now long, and mark is the public's around the world are barley served by constantly, by the media character. right. and this is a conflict between russia and ukraine, which it is not the documents that have been sent to the united states and nato by russia have to do with security across the entire you raisins, landman. but the immediate constantly is focusing on one issue. these documents
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were, were composed mostly out of frustration after 30 years and to saying, we need to think about everyone security, but it's never phrased that way. it's never, it's never given to the public that way. and this is a huge, this information pain thinking, what will say in the 2nd part of the program, what possibly could happen, go ahead mark as a more pe turn west and mainstream major is making the argument, which is absolutely untenable argument that the ukrainian or russian peoples are distinct from one another, which of course, is a way of making the case even further for ukraine to join nato. but when you actually inform western journalists about the russian and ukrainian peoples are the same people, they are east slough. then there is silence from the males of these wretched men
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and women, because they know next to nothing. indeed, let me read that they know nothing about the history of russia. they know nothing about the history of ukraine. and when i have told them before in television, debates that in march of 1991, so over 70 percent of the population of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic voted to preserve the union of soviet socialist republics. the truth of the matter is that the only, oh oh, you crave where you will find and see russian that sentiment is the western most in places such as live off ivana from kiss and turn a po. why? because that's part of you train was a part of poland and the austrian oscar hungarian empire for centuries. but if you visit odessa, if you visit cock off, if you visit person, if you visit nikolai, or if you visit the new purchase in scott, denise,
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i trust you will find the majority of people there identify themselves as part of the russian. well, that is another reason why this matter for you, for russia is so very, very pass on the jump in here. we're going to go to a heartbreak that hard break, or continue our discussion on security for all stay with. ah ah ah ah, when else seem wrong a to see about
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with welcome back to stock where all things are considered. i'm funeral about this is the home addition to remind you. we're talking about security for all ah ok. go back to georgia in budapest. ok, in the 1st part of the program, we talked about really the kind of political diplomatic activities that are going on irrespective of how serious western policy makers are taking. and again, i want to read, reaffirmed everyone watching here is that we've gotten a lot of mixed messages. we have burrell in the you saying that e u has a stake at the table,
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which is kind of interesting because they're the ones greatly affected by this. but i mean, policy makers in the, in, by the ministration kind of a blogs, a response. but, you know, we're looking at what russian officials are talking about. if this political, diplomatic power fails, they've already considered appropriate military technical reciprocal measures. i'm quoting a number of russian foreign policy officials. this is serious business, george. yes, it really is. and the russians have repeatedly refer to the exemplar of the cuban missile crisis. and in the cuban missile crisis, the kennedy administration laid it on the line to show which is that your stationing missiles in cuba, 90 miles off the coast of florida, is an existential threat to the united states. and we are not interested in your
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disingenuous, legalistic arguments, well, these are entirely defensive and cuba is a sovereign country and has a right to decide who provides it with ms and so on. basically saying, i think you get this out, we will, and we're going to do it very quickly. and russians are precise referring to that's our attitude. now, we're just not interested in disingenuous arguments about the sovereign, right? so the ukranian people, which is at the moment we saying that what you're doing in your brain is affecting us in a profound, essential way. we will act unilaterally. and that means, you know, if you're going to continue to dump the military hardware, build up a major military infrastructure. you're going to station electronic a basis. if you great,
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we will ask you to watch it and we will just take them out. and that's what they will do with the, with doesn't seem to realize that, you know, rush really means it. and then then they're going to act like it. and really, this is very little then that they, there's going to be able to do about it, you know, look at this is again, what so frustrating is, is it, there is, this is a big blow or a game of chicken here. and it's not me. we have is recently as august 2008 when soccer really foolishly attacked cell cynthia, thinking it was going to be over the weekend. the russians reacted the and the russians and made it very clear that they would react, they did. they went into the interior of the country, and just as george was hinting to destroyed all of the in a say, infrastructure, all the electronic eavesdropping there was of a laser focused on russia. they destroyed it all up to what i've been, hold up to a $1000000000.00 worth. i think we see the future if nato continues on the power of
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what it's doing in ukraine, the, as george said, if you don't take it out, we will go ahead. let us not forget that up until the cuban missile crisis america has miss i was in turkey, which are in the soviet union, and which were ready to be equipped with nuclear warheads refer, returning to ukraine. the problem here is quite simple. now that ukraine is in the west sphere of influence, the americans will not let the country go easily. therefore, it is down to russia to take a very, very clinical action. because russia will go to war to defend its national security. and ukraine is russia's soft underbelly, under no circumstances can the russian government allow ukraine to be night. so
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often nature forces to be even more widely deployed in the country. because of that will pose a most perilous threat. so the security of russia and to the security of the russian people. and also the americans could extend their missile defense system in eastern europe into ukraine. and that would mean that the russian strategic nuclear also would be in dire trouble. so unless the americans relent and put into writing though, as i said earlier wrong, i don't think i pledge from them in writing would mean anything. but if they do put into writing, your credit would not be admitted into the ranks of the western military block. and if they do pull their forces back from eastern europe and the baltic states, then of course, tension will somewhat decrease. but the problem is that in
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a year from now in 2 years from now, we could be at this position again. that is why decisive action has to be taken by russia. because you, i will come when you kind das and so the ranks of nature. and by then it would just be too late for russia, but i don't think that they will ever come. the ukraine should never have been allowed to enter the west. stay of influenced in the 1st place, but now we are in a very dangerous situation. and as you said, the chance is often accidental breaking out between american russia a very distinct. i think i think there are circles in washington that we do want to have a conflict because isn't it really convenient, george, that all the u. s. won't commit troops. the u. k. will commit troops. ok. but if there's, if there's military action on the part of the russians, which is a reaction to what nato is doing, they will be sanctioned here. i mean i, if i were in the criminal and just enough of this, ok, there is a clear,
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a threat to our national security is existential. and we will address it. ok, whatever the cost, maybe what i, what bothers me is that i think that the, the west is just sleep walking. it's it, you know, they don't take it seriously. or somehow, nato was a virtuous organization which is really strange, made some military block. ok, you know what it was it on twitter, you know, don't out the, the, your belief belief in the nato. that's bizarre. it's a military alliance here. there is plenty of people in the west. the done do want to see some kind of conflict here. and because nato was painted itself into a, into a, into a corner here, it must succeed in nato in ukraine or cease to exist. it always creates these, the 0 some binary decisions george? yeah, i agree. i think there is some calculation that if indeed russia intervened militarily
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and re, incorporates within russia, the dumbass, then essentially nature will be consolidated. nature will be able to impose it struck coney and sanctions on russia, a russia out of the swift financial transaction system. and what will just be for the east and out of the west altogether. i think there's a calculation of that. the problem that they do has is that if indeed such a scenario plays out, they will be shown to them a tight yet because nato will, it is. what is what is done is an issue also guarantees that was really just pay for point money, right? you know, the baltic states were under the impression that they were being given actual money, the actual guarantees of security. the suddenly he got are going to be realizing in
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the way, does anyone really believe nato's ready to go to war, to nuclear war for tony or police away here? well actually, i mean, you know and song, so that was, i think the name to blah, which is what is been going on. these is empty guarantees that has been issuing like so much candy will be shown to be absolutely ridiculous because they don't know they isn't going to be able to go on behalf of these tiny stage as on it was going to have to stop backtracking and telling the stone in which it don't provoke russia. i mean, this is what you're doing is really stupid. you miss treating your russian nationals. you'll desecrating the world war 2 more questions getting angrier and angrier about this. and we can come in on your side and say, yeah, we're ready to go and you will, you will be home. so i will be the beginning of the info later. yeah,
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i mean marketing agree with george's analysis and they're in the process of finding their own things here because they're putting in all or nothing. ok, as i said at the very top of the program, there's no such thing as unilateral security. all real security is collected security. why can't these kids are not cases and nato understand that, because if you're an egg and usually people think you're smart, these people are not smart. go ahead. it was one thing, peterson, a, so to have expanded into, into poland. it was enough to have expanded into the baltic states, anyone with an ounce of common sense with an ounce of enlightenment at the time the boat was met admitted into the ranks of the western military block would have known that night was over stretching itself and even more so when it comes to ukraine.
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but alas, we have a situation today at night, which is a monstrously criminal block which is demonstrated is criminality when it bombs, the federal republic of yugoslavia. in 1999 is intent on bringing ukraine into its ranks. because that would mean russia is in circles on its western border from the see to the black sea. they know the dangers of the game they are playing in washington and in london. and of course, in brussels, but that incessant need their incessant loss for influence of a power to save russia, food stamps, if you could result in the most holding off was that europe has known since the end of the 2nd mode will not be rushed as food that would be no choice for going to open up
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a can of worms george 32nd. but considering the in the entire project for bosnia herzegovina which is completely in tatters, falling apart, that's the future of ukraine if they want to. and then you have a europe that is completely isolated from the world. now russian go ahead. 30 isolated. well, because they are, the geopolitical forces have very dramatically deteriorated for the where there is china and china and russia and now on the sunny strategic allies. so any conflict that's going to take place in europe, good, they could very well be a 2nd from opening up by china. china is that it will help in any way and therefore, you know, they'll be good. they'll be a conflict over taiwan. and then what he's like is the was going to do. and so it's a huge gap stopping humiliation for the west. so it's a very serious hands on that. no. because i think it's correctly. i want to think,
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