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until then, we'll be showing some of your favorite shows from this season coming up in the show as 1400000000 people wake up after china's national day celebrations. when it's nuclear weapons, now be targeting not any cities in nuclear, inter nations, but australia to after the biden johnson morrison nuclear submarine deal and is u. k. labor leaders against army declares his party, the party of nato. we ask the palestinian ambassador to new k. if he has any hope for her majesty's opposition when it comes to fighting with the palestinian people after another week of u. k. u. s. armed violence in palestine refer, fits the day after mainland, china's national day celebrations, which marked 72 years since the establishment of the people's republic of china. up to the chinese communist party, won the civil war against the u. s. backed nationalist party. this made control vesee of revelations of phone calls by u. s. general mili to re ensure china of new eminent u. s. nuclear strike. and the surprise australia nuclear submarine deal with london in washington. joining me now from aging is the center for china and globalization, vice president, victor gow. victor, thanks so much for coming back. that own,
as i said, as the day after you have a britain's, a queen lives with the aircraft carrier coming towards your maritime borders. nato countries openly threatening your existence, ro, us as ronald reagan strike, carry a force sailing towards you. bad times for china, welsh, i'm the just celebrated the 72nd national day hole and 3 hours in a mood of our great celebration. i was very happy, very united the government. yes, of course. there have been lots of incursions or impulses that carry on the ocean all kinds and possibly so our eats into china and other waters around china. this is a very serious matter in china condemns such incursions. and they are not purely freedom of navigation, i sizes,
they are using freedom of navigation as an excuse to challenge channel sovereignty and territorial integrity. and in such a way, china not only contends date, will prepare the consequences for such violations of channels. national interest. i mean, then we will go more to our video about the economist magazine on our youtube channel in widely quoted remarks around the world. there may june correspond, i'm saying she jim being will try and unify china before he leaves office. what he may give, he is very popular among the chinese people. he probably will be very long, so be in positions. now. the unification of china, that is china's mainland, with china. taiwan properties is a mega trends allow time it will happen sooner or later. it will happen peacefully if we can, and not peacefully if it has to be. so we need to prepare for that day when the
reunification will happen. and i personally believe no force whatever from whichever part of the world will be able to stand in the way of chinese people's reunification. now, you know, repeated experts opinion over the decade saying china's economy was about to blow up its poor growth. all the rest of it. we have headlines in nature, nation media saying you have massive power goods. you learn human rights abuses, engine. jang. well, i mean is the power on in beijing? it looks like you have the lights on there. apparently cold stocks for only 15 days left for the 6 biggest power generation companies. that 11300000 tons is of the 21st. the september what i'm talking about the power shortage in china. i would say to a very large extent that was inflated a china itself. why?
because channel now has declared to the world and has informed the chinese nation by 30 by 2030 china need to have the p t of the c o 2 emission by and the 60 teller need to achieve neutrality of c o 2 emission. as a result of that, the chinese government is really putting a lot of pressure to cold, sterile coal bass power stations. and that actually was a big reason why there has been recently a big shortage of power in some places, abrupt of, of power supply without informing the people in a timely manner should be corrected. and then the government and power suppliers need to figure out a way to make sure that while china is absolutely doing the right thing to allow the c o 2 emission by closing out some other cool base the power plants,
how china can manage to provide enough power from other sources to the end users. that's a challenge that china need to balance going forward. the un says it's not gonna happen in time when, if, even in 2021 you're having problems. the fossil fuel emissions are not going to go down. obviously, china, the biggest, obviously, you know, per capita with the biggest emitter in absolute terms. well, if you look at china's tracker, all the over the past 10 years, also the cap, the unit c o 2 emission for the chinese manufacturer inside the industrial side has been cut down. there is significant, significantly now or china, which is still enjoying very rapid economic development. this goal has its own pay, but i think different sectors and the whole population in china are ready to go
through this very painful period to achieve the target on one hand. and also to make sure that the economy in general need to proceed in a normal way rather than suffering significant disruption. please keep in mind that china has enough power generation as it is. the real problem is, what materials do use if you continue to use a lot of coal as the primary source of power, then the government is very much determined against it. if you use other sources of power, for example, natural gas or crude oil or increasing the renewal source is solar, wind up, then the chinese government is very much encouraging that well hopefully over more of the solar and wind and renewables rather than the oil and gas no one's measuring the fossil fuel emissions of all these warships from nato, from the u. s. and
u. k headed your way. what did you make of these revelations in washington? general mili, the joint chiefs, us, joint chiefs chairman saying that he had to reassure chinese counter guard that there was not going to be a 1st nuclear strike on china. first of all, i think generally is highly regarded. i respect it from the chinese side. know what is happening in washington the congressional hearing and really is testimony. congressional hearing is a confirmation of one point that is very important. that is, there will be no wall between china and the united states, and that is in the best interest of mankind. there are people who are very eager and agitated to provoke a war between china, the united states, and they are not doing that in the interest of the american people. some people in the united states even claim that china and united states needs to have
a wall with each other. they are legal. i was the consequence of a war g channel, the united states. because if there is a very carefully to what henry kissinger has to say recently, he's basically saying, any war breaking out the channel, the novice states may soon escalate into. i'm, i'm again, my hand is found anything, henry kissinger, anything it just says where the global cell is usually a is usually a reverse barometer. arguably. i think, you know what happened in vietnam, cambodia in and lau have said i noticed previously that australia will lose its privilege of not being targeted by chinese nuclear weapons. thanks to this surprise, august deal between washington london and camera. is that gonna happen? should there be nuclear missile upgrades to the nuclear submarines now being talking about coming from britain in the united states?
well, 1st of all, this all course is very much against the world because world today needs peace and stability. i possess you nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines, and they are kind of fine to me. it's a claim that is nuclear power summary. it is not agonized summary, but i would argue the difference on the hess richie is really very much artificial because a submarine is a weapon. and if it is powered by nuclear power, that nuclear power summary can strike or can be attacked in time of war and attacking a nuclear power summary. and we'll turn that summary in itself into a big explosion. and that's definitely will constitute a big nuclear weapon to start with. therefore, i would say, by possessing nuclear submarine either nuclear power summary, or nuclear weaponized or submarine australia will no longer qualify. as
a member of the nuclear re south was a big song. so i would say the australian government is not informing the australian people can do 3000000 them sufficiently about what will be the consequence of office. because i believe the australian people do not want to lose that privilege and coveted status of being a nuclear free country. living in that big of a bubble or south has a big nuclear re song because by losing that status, australia will be targeted with nuclear weapons. well, as i said, of scott morrison, they're striving needs saying that if we know from nuclear weapons, but to just find the, i mean china has seemingly been supporting the federal reserve making bitcoin illegal. it's losing a propaganda war, arguably in the west, completely as we get more and more articles and so called liberal papers talking
about the need to confront china and kamala harris for jo biden's, vice president said beijing continues to cause cause to intimidate and to make claims to the law, the vast majority of the south china sea, you think the communist by the will remain calm. as the rhetoric is heated up more and more in coming weeks. listen, the americans should know better than many other countries because ink 1945 when japan unconditionally surrendered. japan surrendered all the islands aisle reefs in the south pacific sea to the republic of china. because at that time, china in the form of the republic of china, the united states and the former soviet union and grip, and to a lesser extent, france, we were the victor nations, after defeating nazi germany in europe and imperialistic with japan in the east and
japan surrendered everything to charlotte in 1945, china in 1945 was the only independent country standing on its feet after winning the war against japan. so the united states knew this part are better than men out. and just as a matter of fact, the united states dispatched it's all naval forces to help the republic of china naval forces to reclaim all these islands and reefs in the south china sea, from the surrounding japanese soldiers. therefore, we do not need to look beyond 1945. we just need to stop at 1945 and check all the historical records. and china has undisputable crane to laws, islands, and reeves, et cetera. and where you accuse china of violating other countries claims, where do they trace their claim back to 1945. we need to call a spade
a spade. thank you. go. thank you. thank you very much. after the break, after another week of u. s. u. k armed violence in palestine, we speak to the palestinian, the message of the u. k. about a new ultimatum for israel. all the small can we help about 2 of going undergrad long when i was showing wrong when i just don't hold any world. yes. to see how it becomes the advocate, an engagement, it was betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground.
what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation. let it be in arms. race is on offensive, very dramatic development and get into this. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very katy killed time to sit down and talk with welcome back. at the same u. k. labor party conference were anti jeremy corbin, leader to care stammered declared his party to be the party of nato. emotion was passed calling for israel to meet it because of the ongoing knock by palestine. the motion that passed without much publicity called for an ethical trade policy and an n d u k arm sales to israel, progress after another week of violence in palestine and with the palestinian ambassador britain who sons omelet. i'm asked to thanks so much for coming to the
studio. i mean, we've had killings all week in palestine, kings of children, by british armed israeli soldiers and had said last year was the worst for the palestinian authority. before we get on the british issues. i mean, how bad is it there we go with and the occupation about very well. i mean, of course, are covered at palestine, the policy and economy as it did all over the world. but the particular, if you're wall situation, that is the occupation has really made things much, much worse, according to the same. you are an organization on the policy and economy. it was, is $2500000000.00 every year because of the israeli occupation policies, particularly the theft of our resources, the control of our natural resources, land, water, and what have you and the crippling a closures and processes that does not allow the palestinian economy to utilize its full potential to that the seizure goes over the last 416 years in
the the you and has estimated that all lease since 2001 to 2007 in the policy and economy loss. $50000000000.00 because of israeli measures hostile adverse measures . that's more than please 3 times the size of the entire policy and economy. and if you look deeper, you will see that people focus more on the military aggressions of the occupation. there's radio compression. but there is economic waffa, this has been happening for decades since the, the, this, the economic warfare has many tools. not allowing us to trade. you know, the export on import are completely controlled by it's not allowing us to have our own currency as in central bank, not allowing us to have any serious fiscal policies in addition to the movement of people. and would you say this to say this is james cleverly morris johnson's
office minutes? what did, what did he say is britain arms, israeli army, that is killing your people? this is, this is, this is a very major discussion. a main point under discussion that, you know, we are not seeking aid here. we are really seeking trade and we are seeking to utilize our own resources that are being stolen on a daily basis. in every sense, you know, of the didn't see of the what's that occupied was back is very rich in the materials and resources and steves on a daily basis. it's a multi $1000000000.00 investor. it's also the worst. of course, we discussed the issue of the legal trade with these settlements on resources that the u. k. must ban the importation of these programs. of course we discuss resume. he said no to that whilst opposing the settlements. they always acknowledged the legality of settlement. they say that with all the encourage our businesses to do any transactions in the occupied territories, but there is no enforcement. and this is what we insist on short of enforcement and
consequences. the verbal movements, the international law, means that the letter and we've been added for now 70 years and there's a lot even here the statements. well, great news though, at the labor party conference, when from the floor, ordinary members said no more on sales, no more sales from occupied territories. that there is an ongoing knock where the apartheid is there. what did you make of a lease? and then the, and the storm a leadership distancing themselves from the vote on the floor. you were there at the conference. yes, i was very disappointing. actually, unfortunate because that was a democratic vote. the resolution, the motion passed overwhelmingly, which shows the depth of support of the labor base to the issue of palestine to the cause of palestine and with the national law. and then if you go back to the motion, you will read that it is primarily about enforcement of international law,
about attaching consequences to legalities that the emotional was very clear a it for finally, this is the 1st time such a language comes out that ok, we recognize the sort of most legal, but we want to do something about that and therefore we must seize any trade with these illegal entities. for exporting arms, who is a must be in line with british law and international law on israel is evidently in violation of all these laws. but more than that, it's also the narrative that they paradigm, the framework. for years we have been talking about peace process and underline process. so for 30 years since 199130 years. exactly. we have been stuck with the all international partners, including that it will often by the way, about this discourse of because it's beyond anything under the jeremy corbin level . but these process speech process speech process. whenever we tell them that we are accepting the piece process that the last you should go back to the negotiating thing. what does the new about this, this new motion,
it redefines the situation and it's real terms and it's real narrative that this is a colonial part. that this is why that is no clearly defined as an apartheid regime controlling largely on civilians and the for the palestinian people have the right to protection and to resist. i mean, you say apartheid there, you know, that's a guess, thomas warren, secretary is out of our insect release and then the said just to condemn israeli atrocities. and we know that scores of women and children were killed in main. garza is to be anti semitic. what did, what did so kiss gamma say to you, did you have a good chat with him? yes, i met him and we have, we have very good just in case our is a human rights lawyer. he knows exactly international law. he knows the values of labor, the values of the, of the u. k. and therefore, you know, there's, it's obvious that is a gap between the leadership and the base. and hopefully that will be bridge
because then we know he's bankrolled by israeli lobby. is that correct? you didn't raise the fact that he's from a leadership campaign, was financed by someone who supports israel. the key matter here is how to present that of the leadership of its own base and how to present that of the leadership of the values of labor. these values are the values of social justice, of equality, of international those and it was worth all that, that you only there at the un general assembly. did you mean what did he mean when he said, i give israel a year to get out and abide by un security council resolution to we will recognize israel, something about the international court of justice. you'll go to the international court of justice in a year's time. why don't going out why given israel another year? and there isn't a national community, it's a national community has invested heavily in the project. remember, the 2 state solution is an international requirement. this one has failed that
international equilibrium that international division legitimacy. and today he's our president and our people are throwing back the ball into the international in a year's time. early israel be much worried about that. these are all denies it as well. and boris jones, when you mentioned the i c c, investigation, boy johnson is clear and says that is an attack on israel. the i, c, c, the independence of the i. c. c is very important and i don't think politicians should intervene with judges. this court was established exactly for issues like ours. so war crimes are prosecuted. the war crimes or criminals are held accountable. so if the prime minister is johnson has an issue with this, i think he may have issues with international legality. i mean, it's not just about johnson, joe biden, the united states also says the i c. c has no jurisdiction. it's very unfortunate and extremely unfortunately somebody, those of the so called free world the for the very same countries that established these laws. and these conventions, and these courts would doubt it's legitimacy and its independence. and its
relevance is, is extremely unfortunate. and i believe this is, this goes beyond power stuff. this is about this kind of wall. we want to 11 and the kind of world we want to leave for our children and grandchildren. and i think it has caused a lot of damage because of the special relationship to our global system. you mentioned leadership there. i mean, is there ever going to be an election in your country? i mean, when we, the bus ended is german 20 or not? we are one of the if you and the region muffins will convenes and through and transparent cannibal elections. we are one of the few who really base our legitimacy on the project. the newer stuff happened. unfortunately, as i was absolutely keen on creating all the divisions of leaving garza, the so called will roll it 2005, creating the vehicle. admittedly, since then, we would love able to convene a proper
a comprehensive national elections. but we agreed all political parties including us to convene national elections as you remember earlier this year. and then we had the obstacle of this video again. yeah, i mean, you know, you know what, how some people, some people know, even in the last and you might have seen the un security council talking about palestine the other day. they said that your family, how people are cooperating with israel in coordinating and fascination. they talked about news or by not abducted on the 20 votes of june, 42 injuries inflicted with metal pipes. what is going on here is, is you, is a mobile, a bus in with israel, that is against the palestinian people. i don't accept the discussion. russia, because you need to hear to those are the only a few days ago in washington and in the new york when he said he will never, ever meet president of us because of the us is deployed and get so much count
against us. and he is and this kind of talk does not well, did you guys kill him? mistakes happen. the incidence was very unfortunate. the palestinian authority to talk responsibility. there was investigation. the 14 soldiers of policemen who rest of them were actually invited. i'm prosecuted and there is a court going on the opposite. it's all of the heads of the human rights organizations in palestine only a few days ago actually couple of weeks ago to be precise. and they are not old enough to make sure that our basic law, our constitution, if i may use that, are respect to human rights, is going to be implemented between the civil society and the leadership. so that was a mistake and you get a bill and a good, but that does not deviate from the major fact that if it goes of pills, 5, then palestinian, there is a lot of efforts by the israeli lobby, the machine to describe the situation as into understand the internal even rushes
or voice said that rushes over the you in general, are you in nationalist at the security council said the problem here to an extent, obviously there are lots of problems. there are violations of un security council resolutions is not unified. why is it, there's not a joint press conference with the boss and the am us authority and guys are altogether showing unity to unify them. this is absolutely a requirement and the prerequisite egypt is mediating between all the office as we speak. we met and in cairo we agreed on all the details. i tell you, the, the, the heart of the matter, the root cause of all this is an occupation that is in control of everything. when we were very close to elections and then you will, all of them are cracking process establishing a nation, you know, to go a month. they pull the code of, of jocilan. they're denying us the right to convene election. although in fact, joe biden is saying he's saying he's opposed enough to have a ben. it's idea of not allowing you estimation in ramallah. he didn't do anything
about that. i myself as a protestant, i'm part of that here went to the british government. we went everywhere calling for them. our foreign minister came to london just days before postponing the lectures at pleading with the government. a book question owners went to allow us elections and is your son boss? is your son is the occupied 10 percent of his time? it's the compass of the palestinian people. you see every time you will sit in the statute and thought people are focused on united to defend most of them. so that is no way we could actually allow for all of them craft process to go ahead without our campus without our heart. and without the, if i scan with the file, especially like what tom has done a couple of years ago, you know, recognizing that you're a so we couldn't. and therefore it is important that you're asking these questions to pinpoint that of course elections are important. but we are doing elections, and we are doing postilion institutions for an or, or national objective, which is independence. which is that on our rights, the end is johnson. and then is our, our state and our rights assigned to make us in
a continue in an endless process. and in that process, chip chip, take away your loss of them. now this and this election will not allow you to complete elections and in your occupied capital. and by the way, jerusalem is not a city that weekly jocelyn was a city we own more than 350000 pounds that he has on every church. every most, every shop, every house in jerusalem and then next long, they will tell you ok elections without janine elections without what kind of accept this. so it is crucial to continue with our friends with all this notion of support. you've seen what happened in may the inspiration of the streets of london and the streets of washington and chicago, new york. oh, thank you very much. that's it for one of your favorite shows of the last season. we'll be back on wednesday, the 12th of january, but until then stay safe. and you can watch all our interviews by subscribing to our youtube channel and falling us on all our social media.
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