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[000:00:00;00] ah, hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle . pundents love polls, particularly when pulse further a certain political agenda, but polling has a checkered history as of late the last 2 election cycles. tell us as much, should we put much stock into polling any more? it's so than why i was talking the public mood. i'm joined by my guess, richard barris in gainesville, he is director of big data pole. and in los angeles we have p e. and he is a strategic planning consultant and equity advisor,
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as well as an independent economic analyst. hard gentleman crossed up rules and effect, that means you can jump in any time you want, and i would appreciate it. all right, let's go to richard 1st in gainesville, you're the master of polls. your polling is actually quite good, but your, your competitors and your peers are not nearly as up to snow. but before we talk about polling richard in, you get a human touch the, the touch of the public. here, are we in a change environment right now? cuz people think about change elections, because when i look at a lot of polling, i get the sense of what the establishment wants to find out to me they, they want to find out how people are thinking. but sometimes i think it's kind of in verse because of their assumptions may not be in tune with what people are actually really thinking. and maybe one of the reasons like holding and so off. what do you back? yeah, you know, i would characterize it more as an alarms are concerned, even pessimistic mood. that's what i, you know, as opposed to it being a,
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a big change election like, oh, it was a big change. election. 2016 was a big change election. and in some ways, i guess you could even say for the democrats 2020 was, but this is a little bit different. what we in the overall theme, peter, is that people expected something else and they did not get it. and now they're in there. they been, for the last couple of months they've been been in the process of coming to grips with the fact that they're not going to get what they expected. so i guess i would say it's pessimism and a bit of a bit of alarm. well, i guess i could say with the, i guess the only thing that they really came through is that their expectation that tom trump wouldn't be around. i don't think that fills the void for the public, the body politic. let me go and let's go to los angeles. and what do you think about that? because, you know, there seems to be a great may laser. we haven't used that word since the 19 seventy's and you know, it's just about policy or is it the direction? and there's so many other things in play, and i want to talk
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a little bit about the culture wars as well. but i've always been in richard knows this very well that i'm much more concerned with economic policy and bread and butter issues. and you see so much of the public sphere mixed up with these cultural issues, which i think it gets both parties off the hook in a way. what do you think by i think as far as the sentiment is, should your question to our colleagues up point, there's quite a bit of rage out there and it's unprecedented because technology media, everything is very different now versus at any election in the past, including 202016 and people are able to have options as far as information. things are a little bit more transparent as far as viable a credible metrics and statistics economically, versus quote unquote official government data. and thus, there is a collective kind of collective, unconscious sense of being lied to and not just potentially with regard to the
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prior election results, but really with regard to direction. so i don't, you know, the elections polls. these are optical curation tools for the establishment to be able to kind of juggle and balance a national perception. but i think there might be a higher risk of losing that lever or the handle on that lever, due to people who path having a sense of credibility away from just the creation tools themselves. namely, media and official government pronouncements this to continue with that theme. i think it's very important is that i think ever since the advent of donald trump and particularly fences and departure from the white house were bombarded by fears and accusations of misinformation. but to your point and you know, i'm not going to be shy about it. it's the legacy establishment media, is that the origins of most of this misinformation and maybe that is the origin of
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the rage that you just pointed out to people to place. but just doesn't ring true to me. okay. that what they say about the economy doesn't ring true to me because you know, i can't, you're telling me not to believe my line eyes. how do you feel about that? because i think a lot of this is about manipulation of what the narrative should be. they want to control this narrative and it's flipping through their fingers. what do you think they would hear in love and well, that there's controversies involving polls, but there always have been a foremost being just the potential for manipulation of data. and i, you know, but it's always kind of watered over or explained away as far as you know it's, it's complicated, but we have sophisticated tools to be able to take care of potential perception issues as well as getting it right. we're the most sophisticated democracy in the history of the world, blah, blah, blah. however, the economic data, no real inflation has been
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a multiple of percentage wise of what the c p a is stated for years. certainly since the 2008 financial crisis, the same with unemployment, but the means of being able to manhandle these metrics has been kind of known, ignored, but increasingly certainly over the past 18 months, has really upset the public because they know that they're being lied to with regard to official metrics versus what the, the government states versus what they're feeling in their pocket books and with produce and everything else going sky, high fuel and whatnot. and so there's a closer, a feel towards the issue of manipulation between what the economic metrics are doing to people as well as what they've long suspected with regard to what poll numbers have been doing, what they're supposed that sense of choice with regard to who they elect are not
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alone. richard at, you know, when we were in your job, you're always kind of gum carolling people into different kinds of groups. i sometimes wonder when they come line of business, or there are people that are comfortable being lied to and there are other people that know that they're being lied to and they don't like it. yeah, i think that the vast majority of has come to the conclusion when it comes to the media, which unfortunately rubs off on us. so people really do now associate ulcers like myself, with the media which makes our job harder. but basically, i would say that the lion share doesn't like being lied to, but there is, you know, and it's not an insignificant percentage of people who just, peter, it doesn't matter what and we've pulled this for years. russia collusion is a perfect example. they just can't admit to themselves that that was a hoax. ah, you know, the, in the trial of co written house was just a few weeks ago. there will be people forever who will believe that coll written
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out when or illegally. i carried an assault rifle across state lines and shot 3 on black protesters. i mean, there are things, it's, it's illusory theory. basically. you know that people well educated even, you know, believe these laws because it fits their world view and they have a very difficult time breaking the whole that that law has over them. especially if it's partisan in nature. so i do, i do think unfortunately, i think that it's getting more political, but i do think that there is a pretty significant percentage. they want the live peter, they want it will make, i would, i would just, i would just center people, people don't mind being like as long as it doesn't affect their overall way of life, their pocket book, their prestige, their status at work and within their industry they know at some level that it's a charade, but it's a charade that they're ban, wagging on because it's a better quality of life than they'd have elsewhere. yeah, but i mean, if you're absolutely right because that's what i'm doing,
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why i mentioned the culture wars because you can look at the col written health case and you can have an opinion on it. they may be even a strong opinion, but it doesn't change your material well being in this moment in time. but if we're talking about gas prices and you're a lower middle class blue, blue collar worker, you may have an opinion on col, rittenhouse, but you have a really heart strong benefit interest in the, in the policy when it comes to energy. but i think that's one of the disconnect and i think both parties dabbling that is, you know, this and changing, changing the subject and creating distractions. you want to feel that when you go to richard on that go to really, you know, i just, i, i completely, if i, if i had a, if i had, if you thought that i would have brought up with pies said, as long as it doesn't impact them, which is you can contrast that with what we saw yesterday from joe biden, which was, you know, him discussing inflation. nothing he said, and that was true. so people get angry with that law. you know, $4000.00 is just
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a bump in the road. it's not to most american families used. automobiles is, are not the primary drivers of inflation, energy and food prices are, i mean, you could go to the bureau of labor statistics and look that up. but that impacts people. uh, specifically, and personally it impacts their friends, their family, their neighbors, those lies bother them. that is the kind ally that's going to get joe biden. democrats in trouble if they keep this up. this is brushing off the pain that people feel they, they try that and as to what i was saying was the manipulation of economic data. the in 2016. you know, we constantly heard people cite the, the headline, jobs or port numbers and why, you know, brock obama, such a, a great job creator is ministration was, but in truth, people knew they saw through it because they could feel those jobs from the inequality, whatever it may have been the, it was in the, it didn't match with their real world experience. like you said,
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your believe my lying eyes. right. so in the year, if it hurt somebody personally, then i really do think it as a major impact. and i don't think the either party really sees that right now. senator tom tell us was asked about their chances of, of taking back the senate. he didn't mention inflation once, so it really does go go to show you what he thinks is driving this backlash against democrats. it really isn't reality either. so it's both parties. i'm really glad that you said both parties. if i really just don't want to be a drama getting one party and the other part where is the empathy here? i mean, you know, i think what happened to i feel your pain. i mean, you can have a present was that, i mean at least it's a narrative. bill clinton was, i think, an awful print. okay. people react to that kind of rhetoric. i mean, is it because the particularly leading them to the party in power is so out of touch with average working people that they can even comprehend what kind of pain
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that they're going through. well, whether you're average working person in the midwest or south, or increasingly on coastal regions of the country, or you're a hedge fund manager living in connecticut, there's an overall, again, subconscious sense of, quote unquote trust in the system. the general narrative that you've been fed since you were 5, however, you know, with regard to optical curation, what i reference earlier, and with reference to the upcoming 2022 mid term elections. you'll probably have a record republican turn out for the 2020 to mid terms, and perhaps another granted g o, p stomping. and congress simply is an updating, if you will, of the 1994 congressional suite where a 54 suite swing resulted from dams to republicans giving the latter house wraps majority for the 1st time since 1952 again, tier clinton point clinton's approval ratings at the time were abysmal at of
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$9293.00, so that congressional gingrich revolution provided perceptual balance and distraction . clinton's numbers rose from their tellingly until the end of the 2nd term, tellingly a democrat pollster, quote unquote, rather than just an impartial pole stir. a scientist, if you will warn democrats that they have, quote unquote, a problem per the new york times 2 weeks ago. lazy t leads, right? i have to go a hard break about hard break. we'll continue. our discussion on the public mood status are ah lou. right now there are 2000000000 people who are overweight or obese. it's profitable to sell food. this is fuzzy and sugary and salty, and it is not at the individual level. it's not individual willpower. and if we go on believing that will never change this obesity epidemic,
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that industry has been in one thing very deeply. the medical and scientific establishment, ah, what's driving the obesity epidemic? it's corporate. ah, ah, i was wrong when i was just a sheep out disdain. because the african and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look so common ground with
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a welcome back to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter lily. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing the public mood. ah okay, let's go back to richard in gainesville. i mean, if we look at the polling right now, i mean, one of the things that came to my mind is that would be look at the generic poll for a congressional our seats. i mean, i think we're seeing it's double digit now in favor of the republicans. do you think that the, if the, if they continue to beat this drum about the generic poll, that it will actually suppress republicans going out because it will be like the whole, you know, when hillary said, you know, everybody thought i was going to win. that's why they didn't vote for me. i mean is, is this, is there a danger for this? for the g o. p. you know, i think both parties have their own ways to suppress the vote with the republican
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party, the base. i think they're going to vote, i really do, peter, no matter what, they're weighted the press republicans is to tell them their vote. doesn't count a way to depress democrats to tell them they're going to win. that's the, that's the difference between the 2 parties. but i mean the they get is, what is the issue hear me because one of the mike, i mean i criticize the democrats all day long and then i can criticize the republicans all night all night long. ok. i'm not choosing parties right here. but i mean, you know, one year out, what do they have a positive agenda, mean disliking nancy pelosi trucks, humor, joe biden in the squad is easy to do. okay. but, you know, like, like at the end of the film of the candidate with robert redford, what do we do now when you, when go ahead, richard continue. yeah, i would just, you know, the one warning that i see in polling for republicans really is in congressional leadership in their favor ability. so republican leaders are unpopular just as democratic leaders are unpopular. but the difference between them is that
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democratic voters circle the wagons when it comes to their leaders. nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, republicans in independence, especially when it comes to nancy pelosi, a particularly do not like her, and aren't fond of humor. but the democratic voter likes them, that is not the case, but mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy, so if any one kim below, what in our polling is an unprecedented lead for republicans on the generic ballad . it's their leadership and they're on their own conference. generally speaking, democratic voters feel represented republicans don't. so there it, there could, they could get themselves into a situation like they did in georgia on january 5th, which is basically where republicans sat it out many base republicans in central and southern georgia. you know, $200000.00 plus just decided i'm not going to vote because i feel like for once they have to be taught a lesson. but again, in a midterm like this in
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a 1st term incumbent midterm, it would really have to be, peter would have to be significant. they, it would have to be a significant betrayal. and i haven't seen that yet, although, and i haven't, i haven't exactly seen representation either. yeah, well, you never can underestimate how the republicans can snatch it apart. you, one of the things that we, when i look at the generic poll when i look at the book, okay, the fact that you're buying isn't popular doesn't surprising whatsoever. but if we start looking at these, these presidential election cycle in mid term cycles, here we seem to be going back and forth to, from extremes here. but nothing ever really. but people keep rejecting the people in power. but once the new people come in power, they don't achieve anything either. and it seems to me, this is almost like political theatre because, you know, we're all focused on wanting our team to win or one another candidate to be defeated crumply that role here. but it seems to me that there's no really
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addressing of the structural problems of the economy that isn't impacting so, so many people me at the end of the day, half the population is quite poor. and you know, and you never hear much about that in the mainstream media because the every, do you do all the macro numbers, all the mattress of it. you lose the minutiae, the average person an average working family. go ahead. yeah, i'm in a tier point in a richard's earlier point just before your question i again, i don't doubt that there is going to be a significant republican turn out and result subsequently with the with the midterms, for instance. but again, it will mirror again, perhaps possibly per a wider script. what had happened back in 94 in order to just kind of balance perception out. i mean, a bill clinton's professor, back to georgetown. carol quigley, who was a rhodes scholar, dawning bridge to the establishment he himself, road in his opus that,
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you know, this is just a perceptual game in order to just be able to manage anger versus elation and give the feeling that we're quote unquote throwing the rascals out here, when i'm popular, presidents are popular senators or congressman or replaced were ads cor, policy will continue. so even if there's a significant republican turn out in victory with the midterms, does that necessarily mean that monetary policy will shift busy with the fed is doing? no, because it's an autonomous, a privately owned institution, that doesn't report to really anybody domestically despite writer. well, you know, well richard, i mean, i think we've talked about this on your pod cast here, is that if there is a resounding read wave, then you, you get the, the same leadership, you know, i mean, hey, then that's not inspiring. i mean,
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and these leaders of the republican party and not particularly popular. ok, i mean, and there's always the trump factor that we have to throw in. i don't want to go dwell on that too much and on this program here. but i mean it, when people vote for change, but how did they get a change in leadership? i mean what, what's the whole point of the exercise, richard? i think that you know, this, that perception had a great deal to do with donald trump's victory in 2016. that people eventually just couldn't put up with the charade anymore, and decided i would rather elect a guy, was not a politician and would take a re, he's not polished. and i would rather him go there and take a wrecking baldwin rather than deal with these. you know, pendulum swings back and forth every 2 to 6 years, 4 to 8 years. and i, we have spoken about this. and i do believe this to the core republicans. they cannot move their agenda forward the way the base wants them to with the current leadership. mitch mcconnell, the word is he is not going to uh, service the senate majority leader anymore. but what difference does it make if he
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passes it down to john thune, who is basically his groomed on number 2, that is not with the republican base, is i do though, think that this year, it's not just that the advantage is so big. it's that how the presidency of donald trump ended in the mood put the republican voter in plus the national mood, which appears to be significantly favoring republicans. they have a unique opportunity here to make some real changes and there are some very different candid it's running. now, it takes a lot to throw in a convent out of office, but if republicans are going to do it, and if they're going to, you know, re brand their party if they're going to change the face and the policy of their party, this would be the year to do it, peter, you know, and i, as an x one example, joe, can't washington 3 voters do not have to settle for, put her out there. joe can if he wins the jungle evil, when are the run off? it's that simple. that's the mood we're in right now. so it would be
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a significant improvement from, ah, you know, from her, for the, if you look at where an average republican voter is now there may be, there is starting in those the, the whispers are now starting to become just outright talks that kevin mccarthy would maybe not have the votes to even get the gavel. so if, if there is a significant primary suite to whatever you want to call a more america 1st wing and a party than, than that it, it could really give the voter an opportunity. and i say the voter because of what we're just talking about. it is a charade. it has long been a charade. and you know, the core of, you know, the structural issues never really change. even donald trump, he would have needed a 2nd term to tackle the, the national dad or something. as serious as deficit spending could never do that in 1st term. so it will just have to see how it goes. but that would be the one thing i would, i would, i would tell people now is that this time you don't have to settle. and if you're going to make a change, do it now,
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when you brought up the issue of branding and we go to apply in los angeles, here we have the, the democrats obsession with january 6. okay. i mean, if you look at m assembly, see, see an m that made this love these stories and they keep pounding away on it. and, and they're trying to brand the republican party. and from what i can see, this is back firing remarkably against the democrats. because essentially what they're doing is they're basically trying to dismiss half of the population. that is the reason for people to go out and vote ok. they people go out because they're got to vote because they're angry and they're being smeared and being characterized in ways that are completely completely untrue and unfair. and so if this is that kind of cultural issue that i was mentioning, the 1st part of the program, i mean it, they like to play it, but it seems to me, this is going to backfire on them very, very dangerous. it's almost like, you know, i'm a deplorable everybody will have the country will say, yeah, i'm
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a deplorable and they embrace it. what do you think? i mean, i agree, i just think it's, it's going to be an extreme challenge this time around because the january 6th issue lingers and there's a palpable fear over something to the exponential of january 6, resulting and possibly not concentrated necessarily in just one region of the country, whether it's capital or otherwise, because the narrative, you know, the, as i said, the grip on the narrative slipping, people realize that, increasingly that this kind of assigned binary republican versus democrat left versus right ultimately. and increasingly there is less and less of that sticking. it's not about left and right, so much as it is about the point. 04 percent trans atlantic elite versus practically everyone else on the planet. and that's where momentum is heading and social media. alternative media very learned folks that are untethered from
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corporate media, being able to express things in a manner that others had not experienced before are bringing folks to be able to see that the choice that they thought that they were given is a kind mirror. yes. and richard, in another issue that you and i've talked about before, is that the way the media is structured do is that they create these characters of a democrat or a republican. and at the end of the day, they don't want the rank and file of working people in either party to ever sit down and talk to each other. you know why? because of i doubt they have so much more in common than what they've been told. ok, your opponents don't have horns and ears after all, they're working people too. you may have different cultural values, but you can, you mean you actually see what there's in common? what we have is structural media bias. the creates these artificial differences
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among people. i think there's something to that. go ahead you finish it after 20 seconds. yeah, i mean, i would say, yeah, a lot of our polling has shown that everything from voter id laws and other election integrity reforms and proposals down to january 6 where we, we have asked people whether or not they thought it was a legitimate investigation or a political persecution, more than one in 6 said it was a political persecution. you can't get to a majority like that. and lester is broad bipartisan agreement. all right, gentlemen, that's all the time. we have a fascinating discussion. i want to thank my gifts in gainesville and los angeles, and when i think our viewers are watching us here in our key scene next time, remember cross, ah ah
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