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and off schools are in trouble and we, you know, we just need extra pressure. i know coach being a big problem as well. david, we didn't leave it. they have a cobra and former brakes had part in you keep me pay for scotland search, but a bit briefly got a break to get to have a good evening and thank you for watching as well. that's it for now. stay across all the latest with this new coverage. what's happening then was known so far out dot com. call it brace here in half an hour to take you through the evening for now reporting from moscow. my name is kevin o in for me, and the teams time bye for next show's in your part of the world. thanks for checking without international global broadcaster life from russia. the ah.
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i ah. i'm action or dance and you're watching. going underground. 24 hours ahead of a meeting of nato foreign ministers, and as israel lebanon relations, a disgust of the un security council, lebanon has long been a key front in the cold war, conflicts, and arguably still is the capital bay route would play host to the most successful communist known to penetrate the british secret services. kim fil, be a new book about his time in beirut, not only explores the life and loves of the legendary double agent, but also scrutinizes the role class played in britain's cold war defeats. and it's all the former deputy editor of the independent on sunday or in britain, james hanning joins me now. jack,
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why they weren't released nicholas elliot's version equally. i'm not certain that nicholas elliot knew the full story. i think, i think, as i said, the book, i think antony blunt had a major role that a lot of people did not want to get on to this because i was, i wasn't aware that at all. no, this is one of britain's most famous. i arts critics. their anger at the the queen's pictures friend of the queen for long. yeah, i'm related in fact to the grandmother and he has it through distance. i mean there's so much in the book, john kerry comes out terribly wanting to kill phil b. but tell me about blunt why? yes, he in beirut, around the same normally be in london in the center london of the quarter all deck exactitude for art. exactly. it seems to me and i'm sure there's a degree of speculation in this, i confess, but i, i think i proved that antony bunk was in bare root for 3 or 4 weeks before phil. b
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was interviewed by elliott and i think antony blunt became aware that philby was going to be confronted. now blunt had lost his faith in communism. i spoke to your remote in in moscow about 2018 years ago. and he talked about how blunted just lost his faith in communism, and he'd never really been committed. he was a marxist in a kind of our aesthetic sense, but he was, he'd really joined up because of his friend god, burgess, and blunt faith in the soviet union had gone. and i think when blunt heard that philby was going to be confronted, that he felt a out of loyalty to fill b and b to save his own neck. because he, he was worried what philby might tell them. blunt felt he had to go to beirut
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himself and tell list and tell philby that he was going to be confronted. now blunt, isn't blunt. well exactly. people said, well, of course, why did he not just bring the soviet embassy in london or ring ring a contact in london? because i think blunt wanted phil b wanted to give phil be the choice himself as to what he did. and blunt was fearful that if he involved the russians, phil bes future might be taken out of his hands, that the russians might to say, right? you're coming with us. so he wanted philby to have the opportunity of being forewarned himself and making a decision for himself rather than or rather than it being it being decided for him by the russian. why is it that no, i mean you joke about town or eat jokes. will be jokes about saying when confronted
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about being asked by saying ac was i am initially and actually given the yemen, we been giving yemen quite a bit, the world's worst humanitarian crisis. a when the $962.00 marxist river revolution out there in south human, it's obvious to his friends. i wouldn't be obvious people's, i mean, i think you mentioned how he, in polite conversation towards the end of his life is musing on the spanish civil war on austerity on now. yes. a poor analogy. people around him just thought, well caring man for yes, they know. that's right. and, and her one of his a for a former phone correspondence guy from the telegraph, a couple of nights fulfill be disappeared in beirut. he said that guy really cares his. he is very motivated by by, but by humanitarian concerns. i think that's right. and he's not, he's not well regarded in britain for obvious reasons. and he deceived a lot of people and he cheated. and you can call it a conceit, whatever. but i think i think he is owed at least
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a some sort of understanding of his motivation of well to them. i think they got on exactly. i yeah. so right now we have a ice was arguable right wing labor leader. we have austerity. the effects of the 28 crisis, arguably rising inequality of labor and tory governments who have was disastrous was we have canister one of his he willingly. or what do you think she'll be would think of her the current situation. ah, my wonder indicates, i wonder, yes. i mean there are, there are a lot of, i mean there are also middle cells for can use at a middle class colbin. i'm still around and still feeling, we need something more more extreme, whether philby would ah, i don't know. what can we delete it? well, that, i mean, that's the question. i think, i mean his is arnold deutsche. he who recruited him in the thirty's. he said you
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could achieve so much more if you go on the cover. now, i don't think you can argue with that. i think he, i mean he did a lot of damage to the west and so on. so by that judgment, deutsche was right. whether philby would do do the same thing again. i don't know. i think he, i, it cost him a lot. i think in terms of personal friendships. i mean, he even say he was asking for it, but all that drinking stuff. he was not, he was not happy, nobody can pretend he was happy. he may have felt inspired by a higher cause and so on. but he was, nobody can pretend he was. he was a happy bunny. and while over here older, the fifty's and sixty's, we would have anyone reading british newspapers would have seen how evil the soviet union was. from his perspective, the seeing british imperialism dying of his he had, i mean to was the enemy road. he was the, the echoes of the nasa to his grace is still very important. yes. and i think that
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me, i think we both he and blunt from what i've read a blunts thinking on this. but they both felt certainly philby philby in 1933 also before said war is coming with hitler. there war is coming, you know, and i think he felt he could see the future and i'm not being facetious. i think he felt history was on his side and, and this was, this is part of the whole, the whole analysis of colonialism and so on was, i think he would feel completely vindicated by that. and everything, you know, in the and eden and so on. and it's, i mean, it was, it was a mess. what happened? why was he not impressed by washington? he was the most senior intelligence person from him. i 6 in washington as well as previously heading the anti russia. and he soviet union department was being as of its way here in london. i think he is a, i think she was a bit of a snob. and i came across some notes which, which nobody's seen before,
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from patrick seals. from when patrick seal, who wrote a biography, philby and somebody was very close to philby, had spoken to seal, and it talked about how unhappy he was in washington. he, he affected to be enjoying it. and so, but he, he really didn't like it. and i think he, i think he just felt the him, the just felt the americans were bit vulgar. i think. i mean, i knew i knew patrick seal. you say he was an intelligence with the i don't say that i don't, it was his father. i don't think his father was. it was easily famous for the biographer of acids, father of amos, he patrick seal the late late patrick. yes. but term do you think today there's still lingering on their echoes of that in the corridors of langley in virginia. the ca, that quite trust the british, they're there intelligent services. he had class still matters. i
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don't know. i suspect less than i suspect less than, than formerly than done was the case. i think, i mean, the americans were looking around the world in the 10 years after the war and realizing that maybe they needed to get more involved, that isolationism was, was not doing them any favors. and they were looking at the way the british in the french had been running things and thought this isn't great. i yeah, but recently we had the afghanistan withdrawal. and according to, if we believe the press here, i mean, i don't know how close they are to the intelligence services, the government here, we're taking on the hope about the all afghanistan withdrawal. yeah. yeah, it wasn't going to happen. the americans being which withholding information in case it leaks out from her. and it tells us that maybe the case is stuff they'd be wearing stuff leaks out. and if it leaks out, then they can ask her. the journalists will ask questions and washington and embarrass the americans. are sure i can believe that. i mean, that's
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a basic need to know. no need to know arrangement among, among spooks and i. yeah. the special relationship is always, always been fairly rocky. i. i think it's difficult to, to generalize that. that's the one thing i would say, i think personal relationships are very important. and in some cases they would override the kind of big picture. but certainly in the case of afghanistan, it does, you know, all the mood music suggests that british were very much taken on the hall. and this book, i hope it's doing well. but even in the you describe when phil b is trying to write a stuff and serialization of british newspapers, how close the intelligence services are to newspaper proprietor saying don't touch this and that eleanor. the, the final wife tries to publish things and the reviews are uniformly poor. yeah. without any element of the complex on tech's,
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not even just on the political level on the psychological level. i mean, i don't know with that reaction to this book as well. the need to always go his evil stop thinking about the complexities of the case of came philby. yeah, i mean that something, i mean i, i've said to somebody the other day, most people's reaction to read off. hitler is not anger. it's. it's you want to understand and it seems to me, philby is entitled to that as well. but where is an awful lot of people in britain just want to kick filbert? they just did. and i think he did some terrible things. but i think in this, whatever it is, 40 years after he died, so the 303233 years after he does, he is entitled at least to some kind of understanding. now, you know, i don't, i don't see myself as an apologise for him at all. but i, i, you know, i think he think he said that james, having thank you. that's it for the show will be back on wednesday. 59 years to the
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month that sylvia double agents are under the blunder. queen elizabeth, the seconds ought advisor visited beverage allegedly, to arrange. she'll be escaped to moscow until then. get in touch with us. why social media let us know if you think the media in the intelligence services are still in bed with each other. with legacy media continued to prepare a western audiences for a military conflict and ukraine. another war of choice also be united states doesn't export much. these days maybe, except for so called values, or those values attractive anymore. the postal service delivers a $155000000000.00 pieces of mail every year. approximately 40 percent of the world's mail right now the us postal service is in a fight of its life. history that is really bad financial shape now facing default
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