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we're going to so because visionaries me sophie shevardnadze, sy fi has always been about taking a peep into the future. but the fantasy scripts being conjured up today are more about nightmares and dreams. so why do we pay in such a dark future for ourselves or is to fear justified? well, today i talk about this with best selling science fiction. author frank shits inc. frank, it's really great to have you with us. and so when you write science fiction, it's basically based on a reality enforcing the future. do you feel like sci fi is a tool to to shape the future? can it shape the future?
i think it always has been like that. if you look back to isaac asimov, who invented the laws of the robot's arm, he did that in the end of the 60s. and this is exactly what we are now at the moment. currently talking about when we talk about artificial intelligence and robotics and dom, we know that the idea of the touch screen came 1st from 2001 space odyssey. so technologically there is a lot science fiction. all those bring in later scientists develop for the common use from a philosophical point of view. i'm skeptical cause on earth, neither have i found the dis to piece we had in science fiction. ah, like, they're written it for his example like horrible. did it? no, nor have i found the you to please. ah mm. so i think the reality is
much more complex and it always developed in another way than you would have thought it doesn't, isn't it? because when i was a kid growing up, i was so keen on space exploration. it was like the huge error of yes. so the customer, it's american astronauts and every science fiction writer was writing about how our future of quote gonna be interstellar or living on mars. on the moon, and to be honest, i'm a little pissed because my future turned out to be on the screen of a phone. so am so yes i am i. i mean, i'm 2001 the year 2000 was meant to be on a huge tap into a marvelous future. so all the science fiction, all those in the seventy's, sixty's eighty's even told us that we're living now in france. well, together with aliens on the consider asian galactic consideration on that. there is
a global governance which will rule us and all the things what happens. we got george w bush, donald trump, can co dash him. so it got worse than we could imagine. and the nothing up and we're still half wars we still living on the planet in national states. so this was a bit disappointing. i agree. but if you look at the science fiction ideas today wordy, what science fiction ideas do you think will be relevant in the future? a reality of tomorrow? well, thank at the moment. we're not talking about the real bats. dist, topic visions any more. but we're talking a lot about artificial intelligence and we started to talk about how extra terrestrial life really could look like. if you look at early sounds fiction, you find out that the aliens, more or less alders were humans. so they assemble eyes and characterized some of
her best or most negative ah behaviors. but they never really were aliens. they were in the cold war when the americans did sense fiction movie theater mostly is sorry for that. we're russians because they were afraid of russian. so this was the source of, of the alien invasion movies. and the later on with steven spielberg, they stood for a set of new are really room religion. so they were kind of angels coming from the skies much wiser than we are and so on. so i think and because we are dealing with artificial intelligence, which is so totally different from our way of thinking and the opportunities that one, they may be machines get a consciousness on that. at this point it will be to, they're very different for us, very difficult for us to do with them. and we start thinking about, um, what,
what comes on to us in films like ex, mocking our friends. not sure you have seen it or her that was the one and that is for scarlett johansson. it's just a her. yes. i think you've seen that one or arrival. have you seen arrival or with the aliens 1st, they are peaceful 2nd, they're really completely different from us so that we do not understand them. and it's about communication thing using that could be part of the teacher that we had things. so i think so. there are in some shape or form las it will be something that is completely different from the human race and not necessarily evil, right? yes, but um, moment at the moment currently, scientists and again to that, if that be a context of physical contact with aliens that in most cases it wouldn't be peaceful. ah mentioned this an interesting trilogy at the moment from a chinese author,
i always forget his name of decision you. i think he is of the 3 sons. yeah. and he talks about how it is to live in on, on universe, together with millions, maybe millions of intelligent civilizations. and everyone is very, very afraid of the others. and so the both of us we can meet and we talk to each other and very quick to find out that we can be friends. but if we talk about another civilization which lives maybe in another galaxy, it is very hard to communicate. so once that we really physically meet, i think on there will be a lot of miss trying each other and everyone is protecting himself and maybe we, they think about striking 1st. so we should be maybe lucky or not to meet them. so i just want to talk a little mix, we're going to get to the artificial intelligence and what that can bring humanity . but before that, i want to talk a little bit about what you do exactly which is writing that great science fiction
and form an taren of butterfly ela. it is that those are books that depict scary future of not all safe and move. yes, but for entertaining reaction. so what i was gonna ask you, so is it really for entertainment only is human fear, lake, and necessary condition for entertainment? well, on our nature is that we are fearsome here. some fears, some and on the same hand that we are very afraid we are all was anxious. so in order because of our fears, we try to be fearsome. to scare the us us. and i think, ah, we are, we have, am, or nature is that we are runaway. so we, we, we panic panic as for instance, something which helped us to survive. so we are afraid of a lot of, of things. yes. if you had to say, oh humors are more excited about the future or more afraid of the future,
which one which at the moment they are very afraid of the future, it always depends on the time we live in some therapy after the 2nd world war. ah, was there was still the threat of the cold war. everybody was afraid of atom bombs . but at the same time, when we started to overcome it a bit. so after the cuban crisis and nothing happens. and then the russians and the american started to talk to each other. and that was a time when we started to get very optimistic that what we've, we've been talking about that in the beginning, that all of some, there was a war of the worlds. another world, the world i am a star wars than e t. our, than the very positive visions of steven spielberg. chris said no, there will be peaceful, and there is a glorious future waiting for us, because now we are on the, in the technology age. and so we were very optimistic about the future in
these days. now my impression is that people are afraid of nearly everything. wherever you live in the world, you have populism arm, you have these new leaders who are giving very and the complex answers to people without education. people full of fears who do not really understand how the world is developing, who didn't understand the new technology, like artificial intelligence. but just of afraid of losing the jobs. you have a climate crisis, which means that you have lots of migrants. first of all, we had migrants coming for political reasons, but now we see that in the near future probably will get a lot of migrants coming because of climate change. so there are a lot of things people get very afraid of, and they wish back a past never having existence, but being promised by the popular leaders. and i see it in these days. whenever i
talk to people about hope and optimism and about that technology is that they, they like a reflects, they say, no, that's all that. so we need to do that. we need to do something about that. do you think the future can at any point be defined by anything else than economics? because if you look at it, you can, i'm at recessive, the is the driver for innovation. i mean, people knew that cars pollute, people knew the pumping goal, isn't like a great thing. but they kept doing it. but they didn't know that it was dangerous to them or to anybody else would. that was still like an economic drive. and now we are. we're real about the climate change and whether stand we need to go green. so the money goes about being green is still an economic necessity. it's still like an economic driver due to something else than economics can ever define the future or is economics always the primary source that the future they can and the massive way
. but you need the support of millions and millions of people. of course, the politicians and the economical leaders alone can't do it because if they haven't got the support of them, then again, you need to tell people that they have to change the way of thinking maybe their life philosophy cause um of course a lot of people will do that ups or changing things. but maybe, isn't it an interesting vision that one day we will say, overcoming of work as we know today is something very good because it gave us the opportunity to develop, ah, our, um, empathy with other people being they were, you felt you melissa, with humans mystic in a rich land like like we are here in germany,
or we do not afford um a room enough personal to ah, for, for the old and for the ill people. sir, we have so much money. but these are, people are extremely underpaid. are those who help ill people, old people on thursday. so why is it like that? because everybody's busy. so maybe we should arm change or we are thinking and you, you had another question i didn't really answer is i think that on a global change will come any way. yes. and now if we really act on, therefore, i'm so grateful. thankful that the young people at the moment are going the street because we hadn't have, haven't had that for dictates of young people. i went on protesting. now the do, ah, but, and i think we also, we should fight global warming,
but we should have a plan b if we don't make it. because if the global warming comes on, if the chain really shall plan me unless you're in a car, there is my slammed me, you know, imagine and 20 years you have a situation like we don't have only 2 degrees of maybe 3 degrees warmer than city. what does it mean? first of all, that doesn't mean that the weather changes. yes. you have more storms in our region, arm at it, and it means that the permafrost, ah, not only the currents in the oceans, but the continental shelves, and the permafrost regions. i'm if the eyes, when she was there, that means that a lot of methane gets into the air and then you get a climate shock. that will mean that within 50 or 60 years, you might have a global warming of 15 degrees. and this is extension. so we should have a plan b, we will have one planet, so there is no plan b was take to plant
a where we don't have that climate change in 1560 years. so sounds fiction. all of us have a plan the, the so that's i bet, but they're plan b. so why in the beginning you asked about how science fiction today is being defined and what we are talking about if we look at the future. um, if you look at the movies that you see a lot of movies, which again are about a space traveling about like interest a lot for instance did or a da straw. now with, with, with prog, pet. so again, we start to talk about building big spaceships for generations, maybe and going to other planets. frankly, going to take a short break right now when we're back. we'll continue talking to best selling sy fi, author, frank chatting about what the future holds for us. stay with us ah
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we're back with frank shad saying best selling sy fi author frank. let's now go as far as living and other on other planets as a plan b. let's stick to plenty where we save our plan and we stay on planet earth, lynn. i so about what kind of humans are we going to be here on earth in 203050 years time. i mean, look at the internet. that is actually sort of taking everything game with the social media and with you know, our habits that are completely different. now we don't have taxes anymore. we don't shop anymore. it's even easier to didn't have sex over the internet than to actually do it. and re live, so i know some people who still lose in real life. i mean, yes, but more we go on and this is cara thing to me because i still come from a generation where internet wasn't there. when i was born. he came somewhere midway through, but they want to look at the younger generation. it is not as much of a necessity for them anymore. and, you know, you have all these like, dolls that they sell as partners in japan. they're like 5000 euros and they're like
queues to get them because people are sort of tired of crying in the pillow and being betrayed. so here you have like this partner that smells like you want talks like you will never betrays you. and people are lazy, especially men, sorry to say that. so i feel like with internet it is changing completely and fundamentally who we are as human. so i wanted to ask you, because you are assigned sy fi rider and i feel like you predict future in a way what kind of humans are we going to be in 2030, 50 years time. it was always fluent. we. we always been in a state of off of changing and we still will. so there is no, no final points to say. now we are perfect and now or now we've lost it. ah, i'm old enough. and as you just said, you are also old enough. ah, that we remember time without internet and,
and mobile phones. so we can compare and we can say, ah, it was better than her. but the kids grew up today with internet and with mobile phones. the do not know how it was without. so they don't miss these former times and we, ah, when we were were children. we were used to automobiles. we can't compare to coaches with horses. so unsure in the beginning when the autumn of motive came on, there were journalists who are awesome. people ross, what they think about these new things, and i'm a journalist, certain 1910. i hate these automobiles and i'm very, very sure i'm pretty sure they will vanish very soon because they haven't had any chance. and he was asked, why do you think that way? and he said, because a machine can never love me the way an animal do, does so and guess what? he was referring to horses. so and so far i think we shouldn't be nostalgic,
never. so we should appreciate new technologies because due to technology, we live in the best world ever. a, from a medical point of view, we live in the best world ever. technologies have changed the world in a way that now they're still poverty, of course, and unjust. but are on the same in the same way. you see that people are more than ever connected, which gives us the opportunity to help each other to listen to each other wherever we are on the planet. so i am optimistic about technology. the problem i think with, with our species is that we are able or to develop and bill technologies for a time coming maybe in 50 years or a 100 years. so our technologies fits perfectly well into the future. but we can't, ah change oh way of thinking in a way that we can, ah, visualize how we will think and how we will feel and how our needs will be in 50 years
. so our own div are our own technological developing. se are always further on than our ability to feel. but i mean, that's the key point because everything that has to do with technology and virtual virtual reality and more time goes on more, we go into it and it's an inevitable fact. more willingness to very basic human things like you know, sense is tactile through we really think so. i don't think so. i don't think so. i think it was always like bout that. we had to take care with new to luna technologies. ah, you can develop a technology in the very wrong or the very right direction and is always if you're at, at the, at arm they're both ways are possible. and mostly people go both ways and we, we always have to, to kick, take care, especially now with an artificial intelligence that we can develop these things in
the right direction. but are we still human beings? i'm a researcher and talk to each other and we do not meet on. so and skype. so we sit in a room together and talk about it and you have some intelligent questions and i hope i have some traditions answers. so are we are not lost? do you know what? this great theory of feature or journalism is the most expensive thing in the future will be at personal human contacting terms of journalism. exactly. because everything else will be actually be done on line and virtually no artifice. artificial intelligence is going to be very expensive in albany, tells them evaluating mass data. so and the past are still to day you as a journalist, if you had to write about some certain things, maybe what is going on the syria or what has gone there or there. then you have to read a lot of stuff to,
to see patterns and to see what has happened in the past and to filter out the relevant information for you. and then of course, this is very expensive. so, so artificial intelligence can help you with that. and doesn't mean that the, the i is the better journalist you still are the but the john was. but it simply helps you to concentrate of the most significant thing that we both sit together and we have a human contact. we talk to each other as human beings, but then again, because you're a sci fi writer in your novel that this is also a scary story about artificial intelligence that is playing games with the humans who have created it. that's a scenario that um oh, not a lot but so humanity is divided in 2 parts. one half that says that artificial intelligence is just our collaborator and he cannot bring us any harm. no, dear desk, and then there are others who are saying go, wait till a singularity, comes along and then we'll done. that's where we cease to exist. and so that story
we're, you're reading, artificial intelligence, play games with humans is actually a popular scenario of the future where i am takes over humanity because it just realizes that it doesn't nit humanity anymore, and there's just smarter they can develop their own, saw an artificial intuition, so they get rid of humans to think something like that is remotely possible in the future. there are about half a dozen series scenarios about the developing. so artificial intelligence on the all i wrote down is only one, which i'm deeply convinced can happen. because there is one important thing about it at the moment, ah, there are more or less only specialized artificial intelligences, which means systems which can play chess or go or steer an autonomous car
or, or analyze, or medical data and help us. which is stunning. of course, but are such an an a i, which is it's very good in detecting a cancer cells better than any doctor could do is are not able to realize the difference between the car and the dog so that they're really not dangerous. did you, we don't have to be afraid that such an artificial intelligence has the will to overtake mankind as we are talking about are the strong artificial intelligence, which has got a whole sense making picture of the universe and every digitalized data in the universe. and is able to put these data together in terms of giving complex answers to the world. so as long as this artificial
intelligence hasn't got a consciousness, it hasn't got any will. that doesn't mean that it can't destroy us because it got something wrong. but there is no bad will. there's also no, not good, no good will it hunger dandy over to the unassisted. but when the point comes, the day comes and i'm very convinced that the whole, this will happen, it has to happen that a machine gets a consciousness, because we're getting a consciousness of science says we need bodies with our sensual cells. so we need our central cells are in contact with the outer world, and this exchange leads to that we are not only in the world what we are getting a picture of us being in the world. so we are looking on us. this consciousness, a machine will get consciousness and if it gets consciousness, then it's got it has a character than it has life, and it has a will. and then we should have earlier enough soon enough. make sure that
it's still we be all par. well, when you can let me know if it's gonna be anything as irrational as a human, that's a debatable. it will be totally different from us because it, it hasn't got our chemical biological history. and it is far from having our needs . but it will have other neat, frank, it's been such a pleasure speaking to you. so thank you. yeah, you do this again? yes. i think who will have the opportunity perfect. think like what i want to do. yes. yeah. cool. with
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