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of the center of political strategic analysis, stratford and here in moscow were joined by vladimir goldstein. he is the chair of the department of slavic studies at brown university. right. gentleman cross sack rules and effect. that means you can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciated, i let me go to jefferson court. russo phobia is very real. we see it all the time, particularly in pull in politics and popular culture. if you watch netflix at all, and i have, i have you in ireland to have as of yay, in paris. and we have vladimir moscow, but he is a resident of the united states. so, you know, i'd like a little bit of a how it's expressed where you are. is there a specific kind of russo phobic expression that you find in ireland? go ahead, jeff. well, i think this, sir. no sir russell, as sir. uh some other countries. so for example, you okay, okay, so i, i live in on bobs, i follow the british media and sometimes it seems stuck on like been bombarded with
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kind of an anti russia e images. stereotypes and claims are only just recently. okay. the migration process been blood blank on russia. there was had money in a major bridge newspaper the other day about li are the possible as a rosman take on on the new crime. or the british chief, the defense stafford district, just retired. it was talking about the danger ward, russia, and of course, 30, the demonization of putin is a con, is a constant in the major in the british, me, british media. but i just wanna say something else. yeah. yeah. okay. it, there is a lot of ross, a foger about not a brilliant many other countries as well. but i'm not convinced to how important it is. yeah. but with this, i put our feet is about this discussion mclawrence program. i think it's actually a rather superficial, a phenomenon, thumb showing you, you mentioned in your instruction that no russia is, is, is a scapegoat,
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or you know, the domestic politics. i think that's, that's very true. but also is also a genuine cadillac perception on the part, many people in your late population, these people are not raso folks. you can set perceptions apart, you know, rushing danger, rushing for ah, all of that comment. so i think we have to be careful about not overstating imports that are rasa phobia and understating. you know, the import, the significance of people's real fast. that phase nap re entrance english to russia and point is cost is not what we could do about rus russell. phobia and russell much, but there is something we could do about people's prejudices. criticisms, mr. sections about russia and vladimir if i can turn to you. i mean, i think geoffrey brings up a really good point. i think it is very superficial and away. but at the same time it, it's super physiology is the excuse. it does become that excuse if something goes
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wrong, there's always some a country or a group of people that you can blame where there's actually very little downside when you think about it. okay. i mean, you don't see the american lead scale going again, having the same kind of animals towards china, for example. okay. but they will with russia. what are your thoughts on that vladimir go ahead? well, it's always a lazy, but he's teaching kind of excuse, are they the last excuse, always calendar always or should be afford via that is, you know, just rather than acknowledging or facing certain issues, both in, in the one's own country in russia. what, what i find as a professor and a student over russia, he's, there are some literature or some culture. i find the country endlessly fascinating . you know, every time i come here, i just, my eyes just wide open. what a tremendous changes was gone, 3 goes through. how many things happened in the last a suit you? 40 years when you deal with it?
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unfortunately, it's like i already for 1000000 narrative, you know, as a crazy good, a g and would you board is everyone would, should know in the age of fi isn't a wonderful a weston, you know, well world machine. and this is, you know, it's, it's the 1st of all, it's a, it's a betrayal of through. second of all is very bad for average people. you know, i agree on some level that may beats aids like skin deep or maybe it's on a superficial. but a lot of people, you know, they rely on the way in use a present or whatever. and rather than go on to russia, rather seen things for themselves rather than mine and my, you know, learning or study in the country. they just get the same 2 stories. how nasty, you know, russian police or how and they see sort of a does everything. but, and they, they lose the interests of coming and i already think they already know everything . and that's it. i find is very, very kind of disturbing and dangerous. and of the to i want to, we, you know, you have internet where connected the same tie were pull the pot, that's was of,
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i find this for you to because france and russia traditionally, historically had very strong ties, very strong bonds. and then not always over a bad bad moment. i mean in for some people and we can discuss is we want, you know, some of the origins of currently a modern day was supposed be go back to the crimean war. other say, goes even further back to their pollyanna wars. but i mean, you know, a france and russia have a very long history together. but then we just a couple days ago, ah, vladimir putin was talking with the french president and the french president saying, you know, we, we guarantee our ukraine security. i mean it, that, that, that's very dangerous for not only for france, but the are all of europe itself, particularly when the crisis in ukraine is being generated by the west and not by russia. go ahead, la garza in paris, but i think it is the situation in frenzied square the semi at means. i mean that the, the french elite, the governmental elite and the, the french, her minstrel made. yes,
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aro rissa phobic. i can said that her represent of the french tv channel our on to russian, and maybe 90 percent of the newspaper and magazines are underwritten, but it's concerned elite and concerning the french people. there are quite early, so feel i can say in, for instance, sir, sometimes even though reading which is quite popular because yay, gave the maids that is a strong main. and the, there is a lake of stronger political men in france. so is a, is quite popular and to be honest, french people are on the door interesting in what i've been in ukrainian. and then of course, there was a, you turn it in 2014 and even in 2012, when the foster alarm came to poorer because his, her is a, is a, is a socialist. n a and the left in france is a very her rissa phobic. so are at this time we can't edit the governmental elite
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and the mainstream media's elite are, are risk phobic, but not the people who don't care for one of the things that i'm, i'm an american, obviously i'm a long term resident in of rationale of over 20 years and i've always sounded really quite interesting how the west constructs it's identity. and it's always a very often it's at the juxtaposition of russia. and so when they say russians are aggressive, they're actually trying to divert attention away from their own aggression. okay. and, and when native and looking at the quality of life or the level of civilization, you know, you know, the, it's always projecting all of their negative traits on to someone else and rushes, a very good foil for that. what do you think about that, jeff? go ahead. so just to put the rightful funds, xavier might use the. okay. rus russell. phobia ross and phobias it is it's phenomenal of the late western politics is not, is not popular to not
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a doctor does any kind of widespread, her raso folk as chipmunk no general problem population. so certainly and certainly not to call stats it's carla, it's weakness. yes. she may appear to be car overpowering. any your face all the time, but it's not. she is at the front. i. she's are actually quite a friendship. so this was a part of trump like on the spring. and let's not over into our, the russell such as times i tried to rush upon the porch, rush to talk with him. but jeffrey, jeffrey george, everybody. i mean you, i, we were all in agreement. it's ubiquitous. i mean, it's everywhere. okay. i mean, so, i mean, even, even if it's not it's, you know, more it no more than skin deep. i mean, it is always with us. i mean, with the us went through this, russia gate nonsense here, and it continues here. so, i mean, we could talk about, you know, how disturbing or dangerous it is, but it is ubiquitous. and i think that's, i find it very, very curious because, you know, in
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a go to la vladimir here in mosque. i mean, it's like a one size fits all of your problems. are because of and then you point the finger . a great piece piece are great. you big, you, ubiquitous, of my archive is that many respects it's quite superficial and how it lacks purchase at the societies as i to live at some point. i'm trying to bring a gun to your question about yes. in relation to the western politics on that down, there are kind of, i guess it's a, i'm joe. i touched on russia. i stay aggression themselves on, on the defense. it will close as a classic example of that going on among the relation to that the migration crisis on the police search better by the rooster. well, you know, the night so the west western politicians are pointing the finger at russia when it's ashley. it's not russia's problem is why it's not by russian from others from
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is a pretty use problem. missed is to problem with the use a migration policy for the sub watch examining the reality of their own policy, which, which actually is a very current watch, aggressive policy across all he used front is the other figure is, is this pointed to russia? royal ag. deborah, the longer we talk, we always end up agreeing. here we go to vladimir before we go to the break, you wanna comment? anything we've just said here. go ahead. vladimir. yeah, i agree with a cyber a particular with both of you that it's an issue of identity in particular may be what i find fascinating. his identity of this liberal elite yet that so there you show that it may be, it was like right, wingers her was capitol, of socialist russia of khomeini's said whatever there was always in on the fifty's in the sixty's. they were always blamed. blaming their openings were being software communism solve soft on their ads. now somehow they left has to find their, bought their identity, and they have fallen old,
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backwards by blame in russia. i remember when there was a, you know, competing among democrats, so sort of up seat up seats ramp in the door. i would watch the debates of democrats and it was ridiculous people who, who are like a local governance who don't know anything or they wouldn't find rash on the map despite his big size and they will well, dual booting, these old you quick, i'm glad of me. hold that thought here we have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on perceptions of rush and stay with our team. with i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such order is
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ah, welcome back. across stock. we're all things are considered. i'm peter level to remind you. we're discussing perceptions of russia. ah, okay, want to go back to vladimir and finish up a point we were making up before we went to the break. i'm glad we, we all seem to be in agreement here. that risk phobia is an elite issue here. i mean, why is it just the elite here and, and it's very, very interesting considering the type of vitriol that is a directed against russia by the elite in the media. it's really interesting that those of us that live here in russia is not reciprocated. there is not that kind of animosity directed against americans or in the british or something like that. it's not reciprocal. it's a very weird phenomena. so why, why is it in a lead phenomenon? because i think we're all in agreement when it gets into the population,
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most people kind of whole arm. they like j kosky. don't scab skis. great. okay, great. so be a film. so, you know, i mean it's really a mixed bag here, but the, at the very top it's very different. why go ahead? well, why, why? the reason i would suggest is that i think most of the, a western western lead fray and germans were, they were, they are very much americanized. and that's whether we're like it or not. that's a power of american media or american propaganda. all american power shaped discourse and a medically barrel. a discourse is now so shaped in the sixty's is that, you know, liberals are on the sympathetic towards a soviet union. now i was all the saw that it became the center overall. this was beth vance. conservatives, and that, so american sort of dictates a discourse and i think a lot of french intellectual, sorry, leads, or whatever they study here. s. and they in a sort of
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a one way or another by as much as they repeated. but what would i find very disturbing about this? the shift is this, the same liberal elite which seems to be running in all like at least media in most of the western countries. there would be a would, you know, would we stop right away, blame in any other group because it is right politically. it's like political, correct. but somehow, political correctness stops at the doors of russia in all bets are off and they come up with is mostly because a kind of a. 1 conspiracy theories, russians and roles in this rationalism that can you imagine, you know, any western positions, blame in any other county, you know, from aerobic wall, israel leason that you would now imagine it pointing the finger that they are behind it. it'd be v r screamed and people would be viewed as anticipated, whatever. but it's absolutely fine for this most elite sophisticated, liberal obedience to blame russia for god knows what and i, i find it disturbing,
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but basically it's, it's sin. are they care if a big a big daddy in your uncle, sam is doing it? that means, you know, i'm in a little german station or little french station. i can repeat that to them. oh yeah, exactly. it's really quite interesting. i'm glad they vladimir brought up all that because during the cold war there was an ideological conflict, a very, very real one. okay. very easy to discern here. but the cold war is over. russia is no longer a communist country. it actually has no state ideology to speak of which i by regrettable at times. okay. it seems to me the animal that the west has to rush is that russia does simply won't accept neil liberal ideology. that is its greatest sin. okay. he will not become like the west, and on top of it, russia and russians have the billy to say, no, we don't want your political correctness. we don't want your woken if we don't want any of it. we can watch it on netflix, but keep it in to yourselves. we're not interested in it. they the west hate rush
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for that. go ahead. zavion paris. yeah, i tree. there is a 2 point. the 1st one, russia is seen by the french elite or as a conservative power. woo, pray, bitten her to get pride were privy to the wedding, sir, the gay wedding. her and will always support such country like her and gary her and such kind of sinks. so for the french elite whizzer, mostly lifted oriented her either either ocoee enemy. the 2nd point is like, is or that russia is like a therapy for our elite when something it went wrong. or we need to find a wood, we can take o responsibility. so we need to find some somebody we can take the the guilt and it happened with the brakes it bracing did at up and because of their opinion. and he's a complete fetter. but because russia organizer referred them to support johnson, who, everybody knows that he is a very,
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a fan of russia. look at what happened during the covet crisis. france is, are one of the country were, was the worst managed during his crises. so the micron sir, the macro, no management of the crises is a complete failure. but look at our mid. yes, it's are always talking about always it worse in russia, or that the delay about the figures and so on and so on. so russia was, or was it a therapy for the, for the french, leftist elite enter, it will continue because it's very, as you say is it's very her comfortable and lazy approach. jeffrey, a comfortable and lazy approach. i couldn't say it back better. i think that's absolutely true. i mean, donna, are potent gotten a trump elected president of oh, europe will freeze this winter because bowden, it's well though it's just because of european in comp and then so, okay, so that's why you have an energy problem. there's actually ample energy in the world that just manage very badly. okay. oh and oh, but since rach adds all its energy, it must be, it's for, it's fun. i mean,
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these people don't make any sense because, but then again, very few people and this program is we push back because it's not hard to push back against all of these ridiculous commentaries. go ahead. jeff and cork, a great. yes. yes. to sorry, a cost when i'm lazy, tommy, go, russia. but your politicians don't. you know, i'm not just on council lighting relation to ra russia, that jewelry, in my experience, a couple of laser relation to too many issues. so i'm not sure there are fair, fair. i can't be, i agree with the statement that rushes conservatism and it's resistance and push back against certain forms of western liberalism is, is paula paul, what's going on here in terms of western prejudice, most of that towards russia. but also, i think there's also not fundamental jill political issue here, which is russia's, you know, challenge to, to, to a western dominated world. older,
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the russian toner to, to, to the so called western rose rose rose, placed older. and also to note the fundamental failure of the west to actually contain and deal with the problem of russia in the post cold warriors, the reemergence of russia as a great power on it. since it's assertion of its interests and, you know, jet challenges embarrass as fans and couldn't at least not because so, you know, i think it's not just a question of prejudice. so laziness, on far western politicians from their perspective, russia does present a real problem real chance johnny is a real problem and, and i'm out of random unruh to room chunk or game med, vladimir. i mean, you, how can you talk um, sanely, dispassionately about geo politics and at the same time, talk about rules base order,
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which i have no idea what that is about to me. it sounds like our way or the highway. that's what that phrase means to me. i mean it, there's that, it's a, it's a mistake. it's a fools, aaron, to, but say, geo politics. and then you can kind of ideological preferences. i mean, you have to separate them. but if you put, when you put them together, you end up getting this kind of rules based order. ideology, which means are, are rules and you have to be ordered. okay? and you can do both at the same time. and, and russia says no to both at the same time. again, that's one of the reasons why these leads hate russia so much. you know, i agree with jeffrey that, that is, you know, that it's time to reconsider relationship with russia. but many, many, you know, politicians ill lazy or just, you know, they get used to in it. when you have a 10 year old child, you can say to, to this boy or girl don't do that and they would listen to when the child is 25.
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you can't do that anymore is requires a different approach while the west a but additions they don't want a different approach. you will though it's knocking at the door. raja is a major energy player. russia is a major culture. power raja is a major play in terms of, you know, climate, you know, it has it biggest. there is already a walk on this as it should be the 1st one to be considered in order to, into the game. so it's time to sit down and negotiate, but you know it's, it's much easier to do with the 10 year old child say do what your dad is says or else. but this just shows a failure to prepare. i would also say in terms of media, it's a failure or either to understand or understand anything. you do have to invest your morsel, love an interest in the country, but it's much easier just to go touch the surface water crowds abuse, arrested maralie, here with if i media story, but that's, that's
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a totally unfair to any subject. one studies. it has to be approach with love and with deep understanding. where exactly am okay. i didn't think we would mention i mr. navarro. he name but he has it in the valley's name has been mentioned here. suppose that the, the russian foreign ministry of they, the americans want to play that game, then why don't they say, well, we want to know about the human rights condition of 500 plus people that are being kept in prison. as a result of that january, january say hi, and i mean to can play this game. the russians don't do it, they might start doing it. i don't know. i don't speak for the russian government, but you know, human rights again, this is this one sided that human rights means one thing. and it means only the that for the because as we say it, it has to be applied to the restaurant. but no one can criticize us for human rights. ok. this is the arrogance that really puts out more and more of the world. go ahead. example, of course, and a snowden is inertia. an assault is in a united kingdom in jail. so it's difficult of freud's quite complicated for the,
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for the west to criticize the russia on the human right. if you look at what happened, no whizzer, with a song. but of course, again, it's her, it's a kind of therapy look at what a burner in france during her, the yellow jackets ah, 2060 paul luster. and i, because of the, of the repression it didn't upon her, of course, not in russia, but even not in belarus. no, no, we're in a, in a, in europe. it happens. and so, but anyway, if you look at her or the french germans remains us, there will continue to quit. he says, seeing that her put in is a dictator and that russia is not a free country. and that the do political or opposition is in jail. a gunner and claiming that her never only represents something strong in the russia, which is completely a fake news because the men, though a position is the communist party. okay, gentlemen, this, i'm in
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a fascinating topic. i didn't discuss with you. i think we need to talk more about different elements of here because as we've all agreed, it is very ubiquitous and it, it, at the end of the day can be very dangerous because it's a nuclear power. okay, i gentlemen, that's all the time we, i'm one of thanks them i guess in paris, cork and in moscow. and thanks for viewers for watching is here to see you next time. and remember, cross like with ah, we're empowering ourselves to be more efficient, quicker with that transactions. but with that comes a trade off every device p as a potential entry point for security attack. any machine can be it's an extension of traditional time. the defenders have always been one step behind the attackers both permit when there's one called option in the offering.
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where so much of new york city history is buried, is document of the inequality that has existed in the city for centuries. ah ah, oh, is your media a reflection of reality? in a world transformed what will make you feel safer? high selection community? are you going the right way or are you being led somewhere? which direction? what is true? what is faith? in the world corrupted, you need to descend a join us in the depths or remain in the
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