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ah, i'm african retention, we're going on the ground coming up with a show. what's really going on in sudan. we ask the countries ambassador to the u. s. appointed by the overthrown administration. if his country is next in the firing line of president biden's plans for the horn of africa, and we osgood or ours, commissioner general, why his agency, which provides aid to palestinian refugees, is on the brink of collapse at the time when those refugees are more in danger than ever, from lebanon to syria, to the world's largest open at prison, camp gaza. all of them all coming up internet is going underground. nation media has been predictably scathing about a change of power in resource rich to dawn. as the i m. f friendly, prime minister, abdullah ham doc was removed from power. joining me now from washington, d. c. is this it on ambassador to the usa that ham doc appointed neural din sadie ambassador, thanks so much for coming on. we'll have to be very big picture by the end of this
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interview. something know might have come out of cartoon that we didn't know about . just describe what happened. i know lee, a finance minister who remained jubilee by him said it wasn't a coup, but as i understand it, the by the administration's jeffrey feltman envoy was in costume and then with it out as the prime minister was gone. yeah, well, what's happened is that if she sultan himself said that he has been lied to bible hon. and just on our hon, the military leader, lieutenant general, i yanna miranda need to release the one who lived there. cool. and he was actually before going before leaving, he had the impression that everything was okay and that they had agreed to move forward. and then he was in, of course, completely surprised when this happened. he did not expect it to happen because
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i'm gonna run a shooting that they're missing my looking. so feltman biden's man, he thought it's ok for a country to 400 percent inflation, 80 percent to $40000000.00 people living on less than a dollar a day. and 2700000 suffering from acute malnutrition. that's what by the ministrations envoy feltman thinks as oh right. oh fun. well, it's not. all right. it's not right about what is not life actually to read that is that the by the god we knew that after the that the legacy that it's on my machine that same. sure not to me or right. i always in that 2 or 3 years, actually i am one on those for road. actually a book about this and said things will start that being all right. are 5 years on the because the, you're blaming,
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you're blaming this poverty and the 2700000 on alba. sheer not on the governor of course, because you have been there for 6 years. you are there for 50 years and there is nothing to show for me. well, lily will have to take that into consideration z o i mean to the global south. the change since alba share has been your closeness to israel. i understand it. your alignment against iran, ah sudan has become more a proxy of washington d. c than ever, hasn't it? before the year before a lieutenant general wareham has intervened? well, i only see a proxy and we are interested in now redressing and correcting our relation with international community. and to do so in his, in areas hamilton, neil, is there a certain country that can help us to do so?
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and my duty as ambassador to washington last years history that we and we have her a really lovely life, we're only active, it already nation. so the, you asked me the i am if with the world bank. and of course, really the african deal can bank on another financial institutions. and without doing this is going to be very difficult or to sudan truly cover. it's rachel place in the international financial community from which you have been isolated. there are over 20 years. have you spoken to jeffrey feldman, we spoke about him on this program because he's alleged to be interfering, of course, or in the, in the conflict in ethiopia where the united states has been accused of for supporting the t p l f. and have you spoken to jeffrey feldman since the change of power and cartoon? well i, i can see that's i need, of course. and he has been on the media and he spoke on, you know,
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openly about the situation in shavanne. and he's recently of course, involved in situation if you can, because he has been called by the children and shabbos entities will to, as you get, do you think her, he discussed the plan by the russian federation to put a naval base in sudan with the prime minister ham dog before he was overthrown. i don't sing so you don't get to enjoy because obviously presumably the by the ministration is against he a russian naval base being put there on the red sea. wellness on this friday. knowing knowing that the kind of well situation thus developing along there, etc. and i and the, and the anglo really, i mean very quick that china's ambassador margin min met with her allah bore han after the change of change of her power in god to can you not see that
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at the emerging economies as it were, or certainly the global economic superpower by p. p. p at china. seems to be treating a lieutenant general elbow. honda decision with respect. well yeah, well i, it is for them to the sides were allowed to was respect or not. but they were not the only ones to of to, to meet with the arm. not many other people including some less than ambassador sir met with him. but feldman hasn't threatened another rob libya, style intervention because of what is going on in khartoum. i mean, we got to say that this is in the context of washington wanting cuz in venezuela series you appear tray iran, china and russia, maybe somehow against what they call a qu in your country. well, i lose your sky as to what you said aloud schools last, not my i mean,
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my intention to go into that kind of detail, but i, we wouldn't of course, welcome any kind of intervention meetings and mentioning shouldn't whatever happens the people are capable with kicking carol deserters, do you think that there will be other countries who will be able to replace the $700000000.00 aid package from the biden administration, which i understand has been stop when i think that's a question to ask stuart locals, looters, what are their plans to replace whatever assistance is coming from the international community. i mean, they oh and you know, when, when you, when it was a prime minister ham dog, $6400000000.00 are owed by sued on to china. yes, that's being discussed, of course, and we're on in the past. so finding on solutions to that and he did not get that response of the legacy of the former you that a little and miss you. so arguably,
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when the i m f tells the sudanese government whatever government it is, what to do as regards privatization as regards a liberalizing of the economy. the argument cartoon should listen more to be jing than it does to the i m f in washington. when i think we are going to, you know, we need a, you know, the short tin needs and the area needs to address the issue that we have with the international finance and i nation institutions. i'm them in one here is i. and if i'm china, so he's new little guy, me not so good that. and we are discussing it. nicholas, it counts in order to reach this, get our mockery economy in order to be able to get it on the he did a been in that we have and it's only norman, so it's a talk to and i knew about that. that does not mean that we should not talk to
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china. china is a, is an important ally to so done. i said if we had build or anything to continue on the civilian side, it would have a really continue going in china. and i like to be in a conference and say, you just have no idea why general one would have lost patience with what the by administration, envoy had to say to him. no idea at all. well actually it was. that's one of the yes on incident, a plan that he started to put in place for weeks ago, actually located on eastern said on last part of it sitting in front of me on this last part of it, mobilizing some of the, you know, signatories of the you about the mental aspect of it and it was clear that she was
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preparing a keeping coo and even we were aware of that. but why do you think, why do you think the finance minister of the government you supported and we're going to by deborah abraham, doesn't call it a qu. i, you know, it is a google, she seems not interested to buy. okay. unity more than anything else. i think you think that the internet is actually going to be able to get a niga shit on the cake. she was, i mean well obviously we liked him him on the program. you really probably deny. deny that. do you think though, that under general more hand, some of the foreign policies that are used will change? i mean, will you continue to recognize israel is a big friend when you continue to support u. s. foreign policy in the region. i do knocking knobs. gee,
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latsnitch in your lot because the, the geopolitics, you know, i sit in obligations. i'm stating facts on the ground that need to be a nice. i'm opening up designs. of course. this is continuing to hold out of that and building relationship continue also. but does not exclude dr. you shall open up to other cells. and just finally, you personally have you heard anything from general bore hand about whether you're going to remain the ambassador in d. c, or will be and you had best of it? no, actually i am not here. go home as a commander in chief of the armed forces or sudan fan 17. and if you're much ash, commander on the, on policy the saddam and i happen to be one of them that of course inside the vehicle and i use him as being the head of this. she letting me administration of
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sedan i and the and elisha, you meant the government if they didn't know government anyway, i decided to remain in place. well, many of the people have remained in the government. do you consider the sovereignty council announced by general hun to be legitimate? no, not at all. it doesn't you commit to call this up appointed by an illegitimate body . has no right to repeal the constitutional documenting on the right to appoint ministers. have no right to appoint members only. so in council, on only so of course will be put into question by the people or should i come back . thank you. after the break, as the u. k. cut support for the un agency which age palestinian refugees while continuing to support bombing and sanctions on the places those refugees live. we ask and rob is commissioner general if the countries that create the refugees should pay more to support them. all of all coming up about to have going on the
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ground. ah, we're empowering ourselves to be more efficient, quicker with our transactions. but with that comes a trade off. every device is a potential entry point for security at any machine. it's an extension of traditional time. the defenders have always been one step behind the attackers, both for the with offering. it's not a matter of, if it happens, it's a matter of wet harold is driven by dreamers shaped by 10 percent of those with
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there's sinks. we dare to ask a well, it shows the wrong one. i just don't know if we have to figure out the same becomes the attitude and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart,
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we choose to look for common ground. ah, welcome back from unarguably us intensified economic energy crisis in lebanon to a bombardment of gods or the killed hundreds to a continuing corrode of ours pandemic. this here has been one of the hardest in almost a century for palestinian refugees. so why then is the un agency that supports them facing collapse? i'm joy now from amman and jordan by the commission of general of that agency in ra felipe lorine commission. general, thanks so much for coming on. i mean, how is it possible that the you and really even works agency may be facing collapse that's unfortunately not the new. i mean, the agency has been into a come enterprises now for almost a decade. since 2014, our income have not increased that, but as you say, we are in a region with crisis on does tend to richard. you need to have also significantly
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increase the unexpected agency like on the want to deliver on the needs expectation, which is not the case anymore. ok, you know, to be in to comes across is a region the result of despair distress, but also anger. because basically, omar is alive, fan of the brightest in richer jesus. i'm the more want he's into a financial crisis to move the partisan refugees a she'll abundant by the international community. and this crisis is really on setting it on setting for the refugees is on testing for the staffer, but also for the host country. wonder if yes or no one will be able to continue to deliver critical services to the funniest in refugees. yeah,
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i think many people think of and rolla because of the reflect pictures coming from garza in may, but of course, your roommate is a refugee is millions of them across the middle east, syria and lebanon. and and so for jordan, way you're speaking to me from joe biden, just gave you a $235000000.00 in aid from next april. i know that the u. s. is just sold 735 millions in weapons to israel. but what's happening, i mean, shouldn't that have saved you after the trump decision to defend you? number one didn't see suffered a lot over the last 2 year or so from the financial crisis center and had to put in place quite a number of very committed measure. and if you go beyond that to today, it will definitely impact not only the quality of our services, but also the scope of our services. now the us 3 gates has been very, very important. and we have a saluted the return of the u. s. at unfortunately,
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it has been offset by decreases by decrease funding from a number of a traditional donor, but also from lack of strong engagement. here in the reason, i mean, can you see why barra johnson here in britain would slash the grant by 50 percent or 40 to enough 1000000 balance to 20800000 pounds. i mean, obviously with issued a weapon sales this coming to $400000000.00 to israel. what would you say to bars johnson? well, the decision to last and to decrease the over the budget from 0172015 percent of the g. d. p has barrick, the consequences. it has a human consequences, but it has also an impact on keeping and maintaining the 70 here in the region. i'm a just to remind our viewers say in gaza, i mean, they're just the other day,
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there's a 13 year old killed in the occupied territories. what does it ro actually do? because obviously the red cross tries and does what it tries to aid agencies indigenous ones from his bola, from mammoth from the p. a. they try and do it. what does an ro actually do in gaza? let us examine it, which is our major operation right now. we have nearly $300000.00 girls and boy in our schools, in garza, we have nearly 70 percent of the population. we should rely on our primary health services, but also on ours social safety net. a program we are providing food to 70 percent of the population in the us trip. so we are a lifeline. and the top of that we are the 2nd biggest employer in the us,
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cheaper. so a, so your appealing to donors like britain, germany, the united states, the, you, sweden, i mean, these are countries that are selling weapons to israel, that a used to bomb. sometimes in rolla facilities, you're appealing to those countries to give you money. meanwhile, those countries sell weapons the blow up, garza, can you not see some circularity here? i am appealing to the members to translate the strong political support and mandate being given to on the war and to mit materialize into matching resources. this is what i am doing. basically there is an expectation from the international community that in the absence of a last thing, but it because solution data, the agency on warm provider,
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human development activities and services to that. but it's in refugees. ok. i'm not showing that onto the circularity question, because it is strange. explain why and you know, israel and exam american officials ever complained of en route facilities being used by terrorists as a, as they call them up. just remind us what happened in in may when, when you k. u. s. german funded israeli aerial bombardment of gaza attacked attack the strip $256.00, including $66.00 children killed to remind us what happened in may. as you mentioned, have been 66 in killed in together and among them you had also a number of keys where attending the what school now during this conflict our school. and so i've also been safe haven for about $70000.00 a and we were seeking refute in our schools.
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so may, has been a human tragedy. it has been to force conflict in 14 jasa, you highlighted some of the absurdity. i went there just a day after the conflict and basically people were completely traumatized that they were already talking about the possibility really upset. and basically we are in a situation which i would define as being a chronic of a next a conflict. and we have to break the observed circuit. and wow, as the recovery mean, i mean the head of any, i know you're going off to the european union in a week or so as time as i say, joe biden, $735000000.00 in weapon sales to israel bars johnson selling off a 1000000000 to, to israel. i was the recovery being before,
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perhaps the next conflagration. well, i'll figure it out for too much more that we had an appeal we have received about $15000000.00 don't are to initiate some of the recovery and many that dwelling on the shelter of the most, the most major set of the biggest in refugees. and we have started this kind of rehabilitation a just after the war, just what we also did because a trauma has been very, very, very deep edition. and don't forget, december petition, i will so gone through 18 months of coverage. and then you have this war, we have wrote very quickly and it was very proud of the children back to school in order to, to, to do, to re fixed out that, you know,
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to do the healing up trauma and to prepare them for the new school year no problem about getting textbooks across the israeli check point. aside from the building materials to actually build the classrooms. no schools are really to be used. some say that if, if a was prevented from working as they would wish to because of financial constraints, other people fill the gap. why do you think it is that indigenous groups, whether it me, democratically elected officials or as well the or p f l p. what, why can't they do their own schools from their own fund? is one for the last to 7 to yeah, has a g. and basically at the time of the creation, it was expected that we deliver services in the absence of
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a credit. because solution, if more would be today content in the absence of such a solution, it could be immediately be interpreted or being a total opponent of the international community is applied to of the riches. and you're right, by the way, if tomorrow we are not in a situation to provide our services, so if it collapses, it will definitely trigger a crisis. and after the crisis, some we tend to doubt that to see those of guy a guy, but certainly not the same that you to me and the same type of monday than the one being given 2 on the walk obviously has one. i would differ when it comes to refugee camps and chevron should deal and so on, in lebanon, where they already do give aid. arguably, what about russia and china?
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do you think that rush, i know russia has given money? china is given money to you. very small compared to the money from the usa. do you think they just think, given that most of the arms come from nato countries and should be funded materially mostly from those countries? setting the weapons to israel. i don't know what the rest is. so we usually have a very strong support when resolution being up to the in support of the agency and mandate. but it is true that there is some room for improvement when it comes to conflict because you want to resource or so we are receiving support from countries like china and russia, but they're still very, very modest. and corona virus, obviously the parent corona virus, per capita, case number's and death numbers perhaps are less than here in london. a corona virus affecting the refugees in the camps right across the middle east. yeah,
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i would say that the prevailing is similar to the population in the respective country. so one over the last in monster has been counter offer national response campaign, both for the prevention, but also from the vaccination campaign. and just finally, the embargo on lebanon. how does that affecting and rub his work as we approach when to i mean, we are in, i'm very concerned about the situation in, on political, financial and economic collapse. it's further exacerbating the situation in the car . i went a few months ago to visit and anyway, i'm not and by you know, anger boiling. there is a lot of frustration. people are really desperate. there is a lot of that, and we should never forget how wine the situation is extremely difficult for the
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entire population in lebanon. it is a even more difficult to put it in. reproducible have been over the last few decades, also discriminated when it comes to accessing livelihood in the country. just briefly, though, do you expect the united states and britain to allow fuel this winter to come from iran to lebanon, to syria, where there are refugees? i have no idea i my guess would be as good as yours. commission general. thank you. thank you very much. that's over the show will be back on monday to talk satcher. markson was who is one of the greatest chroniclers of the working class experience. also nominated, armed or winning director mike lee until then keep in touch my social media and that is no of countries around the world shouldn't stop bombing israel with weapons that kill bellis. ah,
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what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on offense, bearing dramatic development only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical. time time to sit down and talk ah ah
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