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ah, join me every thursday on the alex salmon. sure. i'll be speaking to guess from the world of politics. sport business. i'm sure business. i'll see you then. mm. ah, i mean, ah, i'm after retention, we're going on the ground coming up with a show. what's really going on in sudan, we ask the countries ambassador to the u. s. appointed by the overthrown administration. if his country is next in the firing line of president biden's
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plans for the horn of africa. and we osgood or ours commissioner general, why his agency, which provides aid to palestinian refugees, is on the brink of collapse. at the time when those refugees are more in danger than ever from lebanon to syria, to the world's largest opening prison. camp garza, all of them all coming up in today's going underground need your nation meteor has been predictably scathing about a change of power in resource rich to dawn. as the i m. f friendly. prime minister of de la ham doc was removed from power. joining me now from washington, d. c is listed on ambassador to the usa, that ham doc appointed neural din sadie ambassador. thanks so much for coming on. we'll have to be very big picture by the end of this interview. something now might have come out of cartoon that we didn't know about. just describe what happened. i know lee, a finance minister who remained jubilee by him said it wasn't a coup, but as i understand it, the by the administration's jeffrey feltman envoy was in caught tomb and then with it out as the prime minister was gone. yeah, well, what's happened is that if she is old man himself said that he has been lied to
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bible hon. and just on our hon, the military leader, lieutenant general, a veranda need to release the one who lived there. cool. and he was actually before going before leaving, he had the impression that everything was okay and that they had agreed to move forward. and then he was in of course, completely surprised when this happened. he did not expect it to happen. nicholson . i'm gonna run a shooting that interesting my looking. so feltman biden's man, he thought it's ok for a country to 400 percent inflation, 80 percent to $40000000.00 people living on less than a dollar a day. and 2700000 suffering from acute malnutrition. that's what by the ministrations envoy feltman thinks as oh right. oh fun. well,
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it's not all right, it's not all right, but what is not right actually to read that is that the by the gun we knew that after the that the legacy that to me and had it on my machine that same. sure not to be are right. i was in that 2 or 3 years. actually i am one on those who wrote the actually a book about this and said things will start that being all right. ah, 5 years on the because the, you're blaming, you're blaming this poverty and the 2700000 on alba, sheer not on the gulf of course, because you have been there for 6 years. you are there for 50 years and there is nothing to shortly. well, we will have to take that into consideration z o, i mean to the global south the change since alba here has been your closeness to
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israel. i understand it. your alignment against iran, ah sudan has become more a proxy of washington d. c than ever, hasn't it before the year before, a lieutenant general wareham as intervened? well, i will do you see a proxy and we are interested in now redressing and correcting our relation with the international community antonucci and is in areas that will to neil, is there certain countries that can help us to do so? and my duty here ambassador to washington lester cc'd that we, we have her in the lovelady. right. we're only active it, i would initially the u. s. me, the i m f with the world bank. and of course leave the african deal can bank. and another manager situations and without doing this is going to be really new. she called in to sudan now to recover its rightful place in the international financial
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community from which you have been isolated. there are over 20 years. have you spoken to jeffrey feldman? we spoke about him on this program because he's alleged to be interfering, of course, in the, in the conflict in ethiopia where the united states has been accused of for supporting the t p l f. and have you spoken to jeffrey feldman since the change of power and cartoon? well i, i can see that i did, of course, and he has been on the media and he spoke on, you know, opened the, allowed to the situation in sudan. and he's recently of course involved in situation if you feel you because he has been called by the children and to shabamo some of his will to as you get. do you think her, he discussed the plan premiers to ham dog before he was overthrown. i don't think so, you don't or because obviously presumably the by the ministration is against
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here. russian naval base being put there on the red sea. well, not spanish and driving, knowing, knowing that the kind of well situation that's in developing along there, etc. and i, and the, and the anglo really, i mean very quick that china's ambassador machine men met with our we're hands after the change of change of her power in got to can you not see that as the emerging economies as it were, or certainly the global economic superpower by p. p. p. at china. seems to be treating a lieutenant general elbow. honda decision with respect. well yeah, well i, it is for them to the sides. we're now do i respect or not, but there were none. the only ones to of to, to me, to with the alan graham. now many other people including us, some less than ambassador sir,
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met with him. but feldman hasn't threatened another rob libby, a style intervention because of what is going on in khartoum. i mean, we got to say that this in the context of washington wanting coups in venezuela theory therapy, eritrea, iran, china, and russia, maybe somehow against what they call a qu in your country. well, i mean, it's nice to once you send the load school and that's not my, i mean, my intention to go into that kind of detail that i, we wouldn't of course welcome any kind of intervention, meaningful mentioning shouldn't whatever happens the people are capable with chicken carol deserters, do you think that there will be other countries who will be able to replace the $700000000.00 aid package from the biden administration, which i understand has been stop when i think that's a question to ask, do the goals lotus?
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what are their plans to replace whatever assistance it's coming from the international community? i mean, they oh and you know when, when you, when it was a prime minister ham dog, $6400000000.00 are owed by saddam to china? yes, that's being discussed. of course, and we're on in the past, so finding a solution for that. and he did not get that response of the legacy of the former in that a little and miss you. so, i'll give play when the i m f tells the sooner the is government, whatever government it is, what to do as regards privatization, as regards a liberalizing of the economy, the argument cartoon should listen more damaging than it does to the i m f in washington. when i think we are going to, you know, we need a, you know, the short 10 needs and the area needs to address the issue that we have with the international finance and i nation
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institutions. i'm the mean one here is i and if i'm china, so his middle name is not so good that and we are discussing it because it counts. in order to do this, i can get our mockery economy in order to be able to get it on the he did a bidding in that rehab, and it's only norman, so it's a talk to and i knew about that. that does not mean that we should not talk to china. china is a, is an important ally to so done. i said, if we had to build or anything to continue on this union side, it would have really wanting you to engage in china. and i like to be in a conference and say, you just have no idea why general war had would have lost patience with what the by administration, envoy had to say to him. no idea at all. well actually it wasn't and that's why the
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yes on incident little had a plan that he started to put in place a weeks ago. actually located on east answered on last part of it. they're sitting in front of me on this last part of it, mobilizing some of the, you know, signatories oh the you about getting into a spot to me. and it wasn't a clear that's less preparing, keeping cool. and even we were aware of that. but why do you think, why do you think the finance minister of the government you supported and were appointed by deborah abraham doesn't call it a coup. i, you know, did it a google, she seems not to seem interested to buy all thought unity more than anything else. i think you think that this in interest actually to be able to get a mega shit on the cake. she was either mediately?
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well, obviously we like him, him on the program. you really probably deny. deny that. do you think though, that under general moorhead and some of the foreign policies that are used will change? i mean, will you continue to recognize israel is a big friend when you continue to support u. s. foreign policy in the region? i don't know ching nasty not to return your lot because the, the geopolitics, you know, when i sit in obligations, i'm stating facts on the ground that need to be a nice i'm opening up to is, are in, of course, this is continuing to hold out of that building and listening the su continue also, but does not exclude dr. you shall open up to other cells. and just finally, you personally have you heard anything from general bore hand about whether you're
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going to remain the ambassador in d. c, or he'll be and you have massive no, actually i. e, and he, in general, hon as a co mind in chief of the armed forces or sudan, fired 17 ambassadors and diplomats as commander of the on posse, the sudan. and i happened to be with him, but of course inside the vehicle ignite him as being the head of the ship. let me a solution of sudan. i and the and elisha team and the government since they didn't know government anyway, i decided to remain in place. well, many of the people have remained in the government. you consider the sovereignty council announced by general hand to be legitimate. no, not at all. it doesn't you to me to call this up appointed by an elite you meant nobody has no right to repeal the constitutional documenting on the right to
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appoint ministers. have no right to appoint members only for in council or lease of course will be put into question by the people or should i come back? thank you. after the break, as the u. k. cut support for the un agency which age palestinian refugees while continuing to support bombing and sanctions on the places those refugees live. we ask, are ours, commissioner general if the countries that create the refugees should pay more to support them? all of all coming up about to have going on the ground. ah, we're allowing ourselves to be more efficient quicker with our transactions. but with that comes a trade off. every device is a potential entry point for security at any machine because
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it's an extension of traditional time. the defenders have always been one step behind the attackers permit when no one comes option in the offering. it's not a matter of, if it happens, it's a matter of went back either by a survival guide, a federal reserve there, or you don't get a back. oh no, with case we get the right to 7 years. so with this every year, what kind of report ah, welcome back from unarguably us intensified economic and energy crisis in lebanon to a bombardment of gods, hasn't killed hundreds to a continuing corona virus pandemic. this year has been one of the hardest in almost
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a century for palestinian refugees. so why then is the un agency that supports them facing collapse? i'm join now from amman and jordan by the commission of general of that agency in ra felipe lorine commission. general, thanks so much for coming on. i mean, how is it possible that the you and really even works agency may be facing collapse that's unfortunately not the new. i mean, the agency has been into a come enterprises now for almost a decade. since 2014, our income have not increased that. but as you say, we are in a region with crisis on does tend to richard. you need to have also significant increase the unexpected agency like on the walk to deliver on the needs expectation, which is not the case anymore. and you know, to be in to come across is a region the result of despair distress,
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but also anger. because basically on want is alive, fan of the brightest in richer jesus. i'm the more want he's into a financial crisis. the more the petition, refugees, a feel abundant by the international community. and this crisis is really on setting it on setting for the refugees is on says thing for the stuff, but also for the host to country. wonder if yes or not on the want. we'll be able to continue to deliver critical services to the funniest in refugees. yeah, i think many people think of in rolla because of the reflect pictures coming from garza in may, but of course, your roommate is a refugee is millions of them across the middle east, syria, lebanon, and, and so for jordan, way you're speaking to me from joe biden just gave you a 235000000 dollars in aid from next april. i know that the u. s. is just sold 735
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millions in weapons to israel. but what's happening, i mean, shouldn't that have saved you after the trump decision to defend you? number one didn't see suffered a lot over the last 2 year or so from the financial crisis center and had to put in quite a number of also recommended measure. and if you go beyond that to today, it will definitely impact on the quality of our services, but also the scope of our services. now the u. s. 3 gates has been very, very important. we have a saluted the return of the u. s. at unfortunately, it has been offset by decreases by decrease funding from a number of a traditional donor, but also from lack of strong engagement. here in the reason, i mean, can you see why barra johnson here in britain which slash the grant by 50 percent, or 40 to enough 1000000 balance to 20800000 pounds?
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i mean, obviously with issued a weapon sales this coming to $400000000.00 to israel. what would you say to borrow johnson? well, the decision to slash and to decrease the over the budget from 0172015 percent of the g. d. p has barrick, the consequences. it has a human consequences, but it has also an impact on keeping and maintaining the stability here in the region. i mean, just to remind our viewers say in gaza, i mean they're just the other day, there's a 13 year old killed in the occupied territories. what does it ro actually do? because obviously the red cross tries and does what it tries to aid agencies indigenous ones from his bola, from mammoth from the p. a. they try and do it. what does an ro actually do in gaza? let us examine it,
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which is our major operation right now. we have nearly $300000.00 girls and boy in our schools, in garza, we have nearly 70 percent of the population. we rely on our primary health services, but also on our social safety net. a program we are providing food to 70 percent of the population in the us trip. so we are a lifeline. and the top of that we are the 2nd biggest employer in the us, cheaper. so a, so your appealing to donors like britain, germany, the united states, the, you, sweden, i mean, these are countries that are selling weapons to israel, that a used to bomb sometimes under our facilities, you're appealing to those countries to give you money. meanwhile,
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those countries sell weapons the blow of gaza. can you not see some circularity? here? i am appealing to the members to translate the strong political support and mandate being given to on the war and to mit materialize into matching resources. this is what i am doing. basically there is an expectation from the international community that in the absence of a lasting but it, because solution data, the agency on wall provider, human development activities and services to that. but it's in refugees. ok. i'm not showing that onto the circularity question, because it is strange. explain why and you know, israel and i think some american officials have complained of umbrella facilities being used by terrorists to say, as they call them up. just remind us what happened in may when,
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when you k. u. s. german funded israeli aerial bombardment of gaza attacked attack the strip $256.00, including $66.00 children killed to remind us what happened in may. as you mention, they have been 66, they've been killed in together. and among them you had also a number of kids where attending the only one school. now during this conflict, our schools are also being safe haven for about $70000.00 a scene and we were seeking refuel in the in house course. so may, has been a human tragedy. it has been to force conflict. in 14 jasa, you highlighted some of the absurdity. i went there just a day after the conflict and basically people were completely traumatized that they
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were already talking about a possible read upset. and basically we are in a situation which i would define as being the, a chronic of a next a conflict. and we have to break these observed circuit. and wow, as the recovery mean, i mean, behead of any, i know you're going off to the european union in a, in a week or so as time as i say, joe biden, 735000000 dollars in weapons sales to israel bars johnson selling off a 1000000000 to, to israel, i was the recovery being before perhaps the next conflagration. well, unfortunately, much more modest. we had indeed an appeal we have received about 50000000 don't are to initiate some of the recovery and many the wedding and the shelter of the most,
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the most major center of the medicine. refugees. and we have started this kind of rehabilitation a just after the won't just what we also did because a trauma has been very, very, very deep among a petition on don't forget, december petition, i will so gone through 18 months of the coverage. and then you had to this war we have wrote very quickly and that was very proud of the children back to school in order to to to do re fixed out that you know to do the heating of toma and to prepare them for the new school year no problem about getting textbooks across the israeli checkpoint, aside from the building materials to actually build the classrooms. no schools are really to be used. some say that in,
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in rolla was prevented from working as they would wish to because of financial constraints. other people fill the gap. why do you think it is that indigenous groups, whether it me democratically elected officials or as well or p f l p. what, why can't they do their own schools from their own fund as well? for the last a weakness of the, of the pedestal refugees and basically at the time of the creation, it was expected that we deliver services in the absence of recorded because solution. if more would be to the content in the absence of such a solution, it could be immediately be interpreted as being a total abandonment of the international community is applied to the refugees. and you're right, by the way, if tomorrow we are not in
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a situation to provide our services. and if it collapse it, it will definitely trigger a crisis and after the crisis. so some might be tempted out of that to feel of the gap a gap, but it's certainly not the same that you timothy, and the same type of monday. the one being given a lot obviously has one. i would differ when it comes to refugee camps and chevron should deal and so on, in lebanon, where they already do give aid. arguably, what about russia and china? do you think that rush, i know russia has given money? china is given money to you. very small compared to the money from the usa. do you think they just think, given that most of the arms come from nato countries and should be funded materially mostly from those countries? setting the weapons to israel. i don't know what to do. so we usually have a very strong support when resolution being up to the in support of the
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agency and mandate. but it is true that there is some room for improvement when it comes to translated because she wanted to resources, we are receiving support from countries like china and russia. still very, very modest. and corona virus, obviously the parent corona virus, per capita, case number's and death numbers perhaps are less than here in london. how is corona virus affecting the refugees in the camps right across the middle east? yeah, i would say that the prevailing, similar to the population in the respective countries. so one over the last 18 months has been part of a national response campaign, both for the prevention, but also for the mission
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a campaign. and just finding the embargo on lebanon. how does that affecting and i was work as we approach when to i mean, we are in the matter. i'm very concerned about the situation in a typical financial and economic collapse. it's further exacerbating the situation in the car. i went a few months ago to visit and anyway, i'm not and by you know, anger is boring. there is a lot of frustration. people are really desperate. there is a lot of august nasa and we should never forget how wine the situation is extremely difficult for the entire population. never known. it is an even more difficult to put it in riches has been over the last few decades, also discriminated when it comes to accessing livelihood in the country. just briefly though, do you expect the united states and britain to allow fuel this winter to come from
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iran to lebanon, to syria, with their refugees? i have no idea. i guess it would be as good as yours, commission general. thank you. thank you very much. that's after the show will be back on monday to talk thatcher. markson was who is one of the greatest chroniclers of the working class experience, also nominated problem door winning director mike lee until then keep in touch my social media. and that is no of countries around the world should stop homing israel with weapons that kill bellas, canadians. ah, there is a patch of water around the try a seal, and that's in contention between canada and the united states, where the government has suddenly become optimal for lobster. our populations years exploded. one of the most valuable fisheries that's ever existed. suddenly you had
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me and canadian fishermen in these waters at the same time jousting for position and tensions or high violence is bound to happen. this is the last land border dispute between canada and the united states. it could be magnified to the part where there could be costs that would be significant to quote countries. border dispute don't go away, it's assessed or something's going to happen. just look at what's beyond the ability to repair and that's what american policy makers will claim as a justification for more money printing. because if climate change, if it weren't possible to fix climate change, it would shrink the entire global economy down to the point where the bankers would stop getting bailouts and they can't ever stop the bodies. so that's, that's the rhetoric behind that, that's the methodology behind it. that's the psychosis.
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moscow says the migrant crisis on the eastern border is the result of the block. so military campaign into the middle east, thousands of migrants remain stranded at the poland. beller was frontier this weekend liberal and we must not forget where the my group crisis originated from this is valerie. really the 1st countries, india with these problem did what cannot be some reasons that were created by western countries that himself, including european one is i mean an avenue is a u. s. appeals called once again rejects jo biden's, national vaccines mandate for companies to get staff jobs as service personnel and government workers join the backlash. and we look at how weston military's.


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