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hello, [000:00:00;00] i thought ah ah hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things considered. i'm peter lavelle. it would seem with every passing day were allowed to openly discuss fewer into word topics. the events on capitol hill on january 6th is one of them. what happened that day is a 3rd rail. was it a riot or an insurrection? even asking, this is inflammatory?
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it shouldn't be. ah. crossed sucking january 6. i'm joined by my guest, malik abdel in washington. he is a g p strategist in atlanta. we have robert patillo. he is a civil rights attorney and a radio host. and in new orleans we cross a bronze, thrasher. he is a former of trump administration advisory, an author of laws and sausage. you never want to see either one get made or a gentleman cross stock rolls. and if that means he can jump any time you want. now he's appreciate was go to washington dc. first, my like why, why do we have this very, very poll, the rising, are competing narratives. january 6 was a riot, january 6 was an insurrection. why the difference go ahead? i think a lot of that obviously has to do with donald trump, the 4 years that preceded or 3 and a half or so years there preceded the riot. ah, well, if you that i think what happened is, is that the democrats,
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they want to actually manufacture something in, in this case, they thought that insurrection sounded appropriate. unfortunately, according to the director of the f, b i and our nations attorney general, they don't use the term insurrection to refer to what happened on january 6th. and this is something that they said that, that me thing this, this is actually something that they said and congressional testimony, when democrats actually asked whether or not it was an insurrection. and both of them said that it's not an issue. it's not an appropriate charge to use because it actually has technical, legal, compound, implications. so no, it wasn't an insurrection, but what they did say, according to the f, b, i a definition is that they want describe it as in acts of domestic terrorism. we can go back and forth and debate whether it's even de risk domestic terrorism. but what we know, according to jo biden's own federal government, this does not fit the description of an insurrection at this point. okay, so robert, react to that because it,
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my reaction to be is that using the word insurrection is it's the political cudgel . i mean, in the worse, the better. and what it is, is that tain't tens of millions of people because they voted for donald trump, or didn't like joe biden here. i mean, it, it, this seems a bit overreach here, but that's why you're here to explain why i'm wrong, and you're right. go ahead, my friend robert o think is very clear under reach. i think democrats delivered or job of explaining exactly how important this evening was and how serious the attack on on democracy was, wasn't an insurrection in fortune. and kind of sounds like this idea of the old west of a bunch of people getting on horseback and breaking away from their local government . this was a very meticulously planned attack on our democracy and attempt to overthrow overturn the results of 2020 luncheon of the weekend or democratic republic as, as it exists. let's look at other examples. one. this has happened in history. 1933 to bureau put where you had a hitler organized people to try to overthrow the rice. doug,
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let's look you will to leaving storms. busy capital, will his troops are those orders in and it will be faster regime there. so this idea of, or somehow it was just a riot, right? is, don't have people bust in from around the country rights. don't have one. we're gonna do is opening gates and allowing along the people to break in the capital, right. so the federal government failing to respond when a tech on their own capital. so i think instead of demonizing going after the individuals, you know, the school teacher or the, or the salon owners on and so forth, or part part of it caught up in those. we still haven't got into the money behind it who paid for the people to come there who paid for the buses will pay for the hotels. how do you go into the united states government? how many congress members were involved in the planning and execution that the people are getting towards around the capital? well, the capital close to the future to the future of people try to over to government. and also what were the end of the group?
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what they had seen, what would have happened that we were having, stopping in the county of the electoral votes, we would have had a new president not be sworn in at a potential heading conference or some crisis. carter people burwell, banana republic, something in so rich and a downplaying of what actually happened and wanting to talk about the individual that the problem chain and not simply to people when ok, let me go to brian and so robert just made it parallel to the protesters on that day to fascism i and hitler was brought up. mussolini was brought up. these people were protesters at the very, very least. they were some very bad apples there. none of them were armed apparently, and only a civilian was killed. ashley babbitt, which we will talk about later again, i mean, no evidence has been proven that this was meticulously planned for violence. was it planned to protest? yeah, certainly it was. it's, it's, it's legal to protest. go ahead, brian. well,
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that were all in agreement that there was no insurrection in the no congressional democrats using that word because it, in their own focus groups, it tends to, it tends to stoke a lot of passion among their base, even though their base, most of them don't know with the definition of insurrection really is, there's never been an insurrection in history. there were no weapons that the only people that were killed was people part of the insurrection, not who they were trying to quote unquote, over growth. so i agree with a lot of with robert to said other than the fact that there was absolutely no attempt to overthrow the government. that's another misnomer. that's another just false statement made without any evidence there, there was no attempt to return the election results. deep election results were overturned on election night in the days following when several states, when they saw that donald trump was ahead in states that like from the battery rooms in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, they simply stopped counting. and they said we're going to stop counting for the night. but then all of a sudden, these miraculous ballads that were in the facebook funded dropbox is around the
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country, showed up in the middle of the night, 100 percent of which were votes for joe, by the note down ticket votes mark on these ballots whatsoever. just straight up job id vote showed up in the middle of the night and all of a sudden he takes the lead miraculously in the state. so we saw the overturning of an election on an election in the days following on january 6. would these people, these protests are what they wanted was they wanted vice president mike pence who was overseeing this session of congress to, to count electoral votes to have to have the states allowed to. ready challenge the results because it's very obvious now 1011 months later that joe biden did not get 81000000 votes, and he can't even get all the votes he needs and congress to pass his agenda. but the point is, is that this, this idea that this was an insurrection which i think we're all in agreement. it wasn't, it was really not an act of domestic terrorism. like you said,
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you the only death was an innocent on arm. air force veteran ashley basket, who was murdered by a rope, police officer. now robert does make a good point as far as like, let's get to the root of it. the planning, all that kind of stuff where we now know that there were a lot of f b, i, informant. okay, all right, that's it. all right, that's where i want brian. let me jump in here. that's exactly where i wanted to go . let's go back to washington dc like i mean there the that, it, that, that the true 3rd rail and all of this discussion is because we can have semantics all we want. but there seems to be evidence that the feds were involved in this. the more and more video that's being released, it shows that there were people that were a ring leaders. they don't seem to be charged. a lot of people want to know why with their m ample number of instances where the feds were involved in, quote unquote, potential terrorist acts. so there's a long history of that. and now there that were being faced with this and january 6, or we can ever really find out because i don't think policies committees interested in that. go ahead in dc. no, i don't think that we'll find out the extent of the f
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b eisen and, but we do know that there wasn't any type of meticulous planning according to the f b i itself. and that's only if we believe they have b i the f b, i actually came out a report saying that of the $500.00 plus people that they charged thus far. that there has been no indication that there was any coordination with anyone in not just in congress, but in toronto world. annette, i think you close people like roger stone. steve banded many of the others. what the, what the democrats want to do with this, the like committee, they really want to just nail down donald trump. they want to assign some sort of blame to donald trump, or republicans absent any evidence. and i think that's part of the larger problem that democrats are having, even with naming this insurrection versus domestic terrorism versus riots. because we also know that this time last year, even last summer, when there were black life matter, protest them are going around where there was actually ludy and righty, and burning and assaulting lee thought that the democrats,
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they did not even touch that rail of referring to it as either domestic terrorism or anything like that. they said that they were right. so we do know that the united states definitely had the history of riots happening, where police officers, law enforcement were attack, and democrats and members of congress overall. didn't say that that was actually terrorism or an insurrection, but i don't expect nancy pelosi to pursue the f. b. i angle, to the extent that they're trying to assign play to members of congress. and robert address the issue that we just heard here. i mean this out, this whole endeavor, this whole an insurrection in this is aimed at donald trump, making sure that his reputation is tarnished. maybe they wanted to have a 3rd impeachment. i did go after his followers, but this is the whole point. it is to keep the focus on trump. it really nothing else really matters to them here. and. and that's the gambit here. and given what we had on the last tuesday in the election in virginia,
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being going after tramp isn't paying paid her any more or not is much. okay. how do you react to that, robert? go ahead. i think that's the most incorrect narrative that can be taken away from doesn't books was were placed on mag orders writing and breaking into the capitol in finding stop you counting of electoral, let's replace those with a 1000000 muslims being in the united capital there. it probably is due to a muslim bill and they kicked her barrier break, hold into the capitals, mere pieces of these, these around the bigger houses office. and they go there demanding the overturning of the luncheon. that they quite the same. did it right in that the boats were stolen just not will be right for you. let the president here as it was, become par for the course in american college, haven't or i'm robert robert. i haven't even go to the brand. i just want to say something before we go to the break, we still have 2nd half of the program, but you know, you're, you're saying all of the protesters are the same. more and more evidence is that there were a lot of, there was some trouble makers and other people got it. i found themselves in something that they didn't want to be participating in. you know,
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so i please to stay away from the broad brush, go ahead. 20 seconds before we go to the break. i had robert all just wanted wire. know republicans wanted to investigate this. if they do believe that the f b i dog, where we now have beginning by partisans or for the idea that we can. but we need to stop us from becoming far from corporate america talented, and that were governed by mob rules arises that are by the let for results. okay, well that perfect timing there. thank you robert. i'm going to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that show break, we'll continue our discussion on january 6 day with our team. ah ah, we're allowing ourselves to be more efficient for quicker with our transactions. but with that comes a trade off, every device is
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a potential entry point for security at any machine funding. it's an extension of traditional time. the defenders have always been one step behind the attackers partner with them. there's one called perception in the offering. it's not a matter of, if it happens, it's a matter of when who when the mic no, no borders line to tease and you parish as a merge, we don't have a therapy. we don't to look back, see, the whole world needs to take action and be ready. people are judgment, common crisis with we can do better,
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we should be better. everyone is contributing each in their own way. but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is great. the response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together with ah, welcome back. across stock were all things are considered on peter level to remind you we're discussing january 6. ah. okay, let's go back to brian in new orleans to date, about a 100 of the protesters had played out mom misdemeanors primarily on there's about $500.00 plus more. m. a in detained in prison under very rough
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conditions, according to some sources. are these people political prisoners, brian? well, they absolutely aren't actually, after girls. will you think of margery? just chill agree and she had the courage to go in and visit these people and report back what's going on. and she said that not only are there there in humane conditions with regards to a lack of food, lack of medical care. but she said that people are being subject to re education, and most of them are rejecting. and she said that, i mean reeducation. first of all, there's nobody in the united states, a correctional system. that is, is qualified to re educate anyone. elizabeth is talking about how much money get their high school diploma or something like that, but re education. that's something that goes on in line concentration camps in cuba and you know, in other communist places. that's crazy. i mean, i could think of a bunch of liberals who really need re education, but i would never, i would never vote to force it on them because that's, that's against are constitutional rights as actually
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a cruel and unusual punishment. you know that you're going to go back to it before the break. you know, robert already admitted that the, the capitol police let the protest 0, but then he said that it broke in the capital, or he made the reference of the broken and nobody broke into the capital capital police opened the doors. now how did the f b i, when they learned nancy closing advance, that they expected some trouble at this at this protest. how did they know it's because they didn't form it in the ground. they had known members of it, but in black lives matter organizations in the crowd. some of them dressed up like trumps supporters. going around in breaking things and trying to route people up and attack people. but you know, all, all that is got, you know, white washed out when the national guard called lucy and said, do you want us to come over and help? she turned it down that she wasn't involved in the planning of this. in the, in the constructing of this narrative of an insurrection of actor domestic terrorism by trumps or borders. why would she turn down the national guard?
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doesn't make any sense. there's so much about this, that doesn't make sense why there still people in jail, they didn't, they didn't do anything wrong. i mean, the way league charged with trespassing the capitals technically close because they went in without permission or i mean, even even if the cops let him in the works was to be there charged with trash. fashion. give them a ticket, let him pay their fine, little move on. why is anybody still in jail? this is crazy man. it central, you know, if you look at a lot of the people, the profile, we can a generalize a profile. a lot of these people are older, they're late boomers, a lot of them are veterans, lot of them are poor. i mean, i don't understand this disproportionate reaction to their getting them to the legal process here. i mean it's, it's been a very, very long time for what essentially is protesting, loitering, and trespassing. i mean, i mean i, i, i'm guess at a complete loss and one has to presume that a lot of these people don't have good legal help. ok. so, i mean, you know,
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justice denied is the justice there just as the latest justice denied in this case . go ahead in washington. yes, so that's actually a very good point. i was one of those who actually i attended the 1st stop the steel rally as they act. we called it. this was probably early december. i think it was. i actually attended the 1st of the 3 stopped the steel rallies. and so i could have easily been locked into the same group that they blocked into the january 6. i do believe, well, i did note that there are a lot of people who just went along with the crime. and that typically what happens whether or not it was what happened on capitol hill or even in the black lives matter, right. where you have people who just moved along with the crowd. what i would like to know from nancy pelosi and brian mentioned, and robert mentioned it, we still don't have an answer to it who gave the old k for them to allow them and their writers into the capitol. someone actually gave that order and we still do
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not know to this day who that person was. the fact is that there were failures on all sides from i live here in dc from our metropolitan police department. it from our mayor, from the national guard, the pentagon, and even on capitol hill, they were literally fairies, failures at all levels. and we saw with the numerous congressional here, he said, we pat thus far, corpse prior to the for the like committee that they, we pat, now i g reports coming out. just really given us information on how to prevent these type of things from happening. again, in a contrary to what robert said, these were literally bi partisan hearings that we had well before that you'd, our dad, nancy. pelosi jones are select committee. so we do have a lot of information about what occur the failures in what we can do to actually make sure these type of things don't happen again. so we don't have to speak about these things as if it didn't happen at all. these things actually did happen, and there are answers that we need and specifically,
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who gave the stand down orders on capitol hill. and that is not something that donald trump could do, or anyone around donald trump. i still think we need, i still think we need to know that answer. i could jump in real quick and real quick because, you know, yeah, they made the point about not have not, you know, the public not wanting to buy parts and investigation. republicans did. mccarthy did offer who he wanted on that january 6th select committee and policy rejected. it was jim jordan and somebody else. instead they picked the most tromp hating rhinos in congress, a liz cheney and adam king singer. neither one who are real republicans. you want them who are going to be in congress next year. both of them hate donald trump. so there was an attempt by kevin mccarthy to make it a bipartisan committee. nancy pelosi rejected that. put fake republicans on and who hate trump? that's when the whole committee became a joke. that's why i've been in stone. all the people are ignoring the shipping. as you know that this committee is a joke. they have the jurisdiction, they have no real power and nothing's ever going to happen. and the democrats are going to lose congress next year. the whole thing is going to go away and less
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republican decide to make a real bipartisan investment committee, which i think in general, i don't think they're going to do that. i think they should be looking into the f b i. what are the orchestra this? what are the f b i or history charges against cow? rittenhouse is clearly innocent. why did this a present video that proved as innocent, and it only came out in the trial? that that's, that's the questions we need an answer. i got a question i have is that after, i mean, so many things have been mentioned here. i mean, i've never heard you when say defend the f b i because i think they, i mean, given their recent track record with reggie gate and all these other things here i'm, i'm a little surprised. hadn't been mentioned. got more serious. no, here. robert, i want to stay with the 500 or so they're still in prison here. i mean, are they being made examples to talking to, you know, to, to the public in general that, you know, don't know, don't, don't even think about protesting, because you could find yourself in to the, the grips of the, of the, of the legal system because it's quite terrifying with these people are going
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through. okay. i mean from what i understand virtually none of them have a criminal record. go ahead, robert. any, you know these people, as you said they're, they're or. busy they're an educated, i'm many of them are role and i think what the reason they're still accustomed to, because many of them are refusing to own up to what they have done. their tech on the american people be a tech on the american congress, the tech on the american people and the not match on any civilization as it is there to point to tom. there we go. you know, you to vote republican for year, for republicans would hold a copy of the constitution in their pockets where they will be even our democratic institutions in this country where they put america before party, what the values of this country and what were you to stand for before petty political games right now, they will make every excuse for individuals who are willing to try to hang the vice president united states of america. i think i believe that the american people could stand up and have a board for them,
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so it will rather heavy pictorial mandate. but said that the people that whoever yelled aloud is what kids go to wells door boards breaking off feeds into the capital that that is, will be charged to this country. they were nearly identical to the local to go to check. we brought up a clue and 1799. napoleon is that same thing to be frank, people in the directory which led to quantity are going to pull the other role. so the idea that these were simply protesters, individuals who were mad about a watch. ok gentlemen or a 3 minute me see gentlemen gentlemen, we have 3 minutes and i want to give each one of you 81 minute 1st. going to brian will ashley? bam. it ever get justice in her family? ashley babbitt. go ahead. well now now that the know who the capitol police officer is the murder with the current of government, current control of congress to current person occupying the white house is never going to do anything. but eventually that powers, it shit is going to change. it's going to happen and i think that that officer will
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be brought to justice and he needs to be a charge per capita merch, pardon the pun, but no, going back to a couple things. there was no fee shown anywhere. the speakers officer anywhere in the capitol ruined place. they found species was enjo biden's pants at the vatican a couple weeks ago. right? your tag. it was all hey i had i ok. i want to go back. i want everyone to talk about ashley babbitt before we enter the program. go ahead, molly, can washington, will she get justice or? no? and i now i'm actually one of those. i really don't, you know, it's sad what eventually happened to ashley bad enough court. and unlike the black lives matter protests, when those people were actually assaulting police officers, no police officer, actually a faulty or killed any member of black lights matters. but those who attended the ride, but i don't think that ashley babbitt go get any justice. i actually think that the shooting itself was justified when you tried to break into an area where members of congress were, i really don't. it's a very sad thing that the very sad thing for her family. but at the end of the day,
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ashley babbitt put herself in that position and i don't know even if it work at the white house, ashley babbitt would equally probably still not be alive today. so i don't think that she'll get any justice. i think the shooting get felt from what i've seen, definitely st justified. and i don't expect her to, for family to get any type of recourse or anything from the federal government because they decided that this was a justified shooting. in the same way that they'd shut down, decided that many other shootings that happen around the corner to on black people, white people, asian people, you know, it, spanish, people that those shootings were actually justified. considering the circumstance dances. so no, i don't expect her to get any justice out this at all. okay, robert, and same question to you. i mean, because for a lot of people, you know, a very small woman. you know, she wasn't armed, she would, she wasn't confronted. um, there were other people around her, i mean, it just seems got so completely unjustified. ok though, if you look at liberal media, she was
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a threat to the republic that's. that's pretty hard to swallow. i'll give the last word to you or robert, go ahead. i find it amazing for republicans. it's always back the blue unless it's you, this woman was broken to the capital. they kicked in a window to give to the car through a window and had members of congress. what was you want to do on the other side? of the road please officer was going to stand up and put his wife on the line to defend or democracy has been our country both. right. i can make this person be billing as opposed to people who are breaking into the capital that we watch them in the future of government and why our democracy is beginning to pray at the edges that we have to begin. let's have a gentleman, i law, have the job been here. we have run out of time. i want to thank my guest in washington, atlanta and in new orleans. and what i think my viewers for watching us here at r t c you next time. and remember,
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