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ah, them action returns in you're watching a very special episode of going on the ground from the bolivian embassy in london is cop $26.00 continues in glasgow and join now by the president of the country with one of the world's largest reserves of lithium, louise, assa, who's addressed the conference earlier in the week. mister president, thanks so much for letting us into your embassy. we wouldn't be able to power the cameras here without the lithium the powers, the batteries. congratulations on the restoration of democracy. what did you make of prime minister bars? johnson hosting cop 26 claiming that capitalism is the key to solving this climate emergency. well, thank you. thank you for your time. well, actually what we have seen in india meeting was that everybody, all the rich countries are trying to, you know, when some time only renew the capital limbs. and the green
capital is what we call it. because all the instruments that they are trying to put in place in order to solve the problem over the climate crisis, i call it is under the market conditions market instrument. so that's why we decided to, you know, to propose another, a tentative mechanism instrument in noted, you know, all the developing countries can face the product with just which are new market instruments for those 100000000 dollars and a $1000000000.00 that they promote. they compromise in, in parties agreement, but we haven't seen anything yet. yeah. they, they promised it. and so when you talked of your proposals, all we heard from rich countries, a good on the so called mainstream media nature media. they talked about carbon
markets. the need to increase g d p and net 0. what's your reaction to these kinds of policies? while they are talking about cyril. net in 2050, you know, and we're talking about the year that we have to reach the goal. why point 6? grades in think of the grades in 2030. so there's a lot of difference because if you written in 2 in 2050 i, it's, and reversible, the problem is not to reversible anymore for all over to where i mean, that's why we have to go to have to meet our word. i certainly say carbon markets and capitalist free markets. other solution to this, no, because the market's the, you know, the, 1st of all the market is not a transporting mechanism because it has
a symmetries uncertainties. and the market never works. you know, there are many papers in the world that demonstrate that the market mechanisms are not always working as they used as, as the, as they are supposed to do it. so the best way to do it in a quickly manner in more effective way, is in a, in a direct to transfer from the rich countries to our countries in technology. and you know, it mitigation and so on. in order even there reforest and forest. and son in order to face the climate crisis that were facing. yeah, they were celebrating forestry agreements. so when you talk about the markets, i mean, is it more mysterious than incur civilizations in bolivia? the way this market works?
you mentioned just their technology trends. were you know, the big talk as it got 26? they love intellectual property rights that protect their bill. gates benefited greatly from the coven vaccine. and understand maybe some of the delicates from the global south were interested in intellectual property rights, especially given, were in the pandemic. well, you know, the market is, you know, the vaccines are it's american days now. yeah. and everything in the capitol image is a merchandise. so what we need to change is change our mind. there are things that we have in the direct way, not in the medical condition, because in the market, you know, you don't play in the same in the same condition. you and me, your for, i'm demanding, you know, you will not play the same where you have more power than me. and you will the market. and of course, the market condition, the instrument of market condition doesn't work because it has to be, you know, equal way to do it because we are trying it,
we're supposed to do it is trying to solve the problem for all over to where. so in the market conditions, you don't have anything that guarantee that the market will function as many thinks in to where that, that in the market conditions the only way from our point of view. it can be effective quickly, you know, ace direct transfers for the developing countries in order to solve the problems that we're facing. you what makes it different when it comes from the president of bolivia as opposed to many other countries, is your lithium reserves and the transfer of energy resources from fossil fuels to electric. and so when you talk like that at gov, 26, presumably they listen to you more. the oligarchs that are there, the big multi nationals. what was their reaction when you to i like that i would
say 2 things. bolivia is the leader or of the like minded developing countries. we have a group there and we, we work together. we have a unique position in the, in this meeting in the cop $26.00 position and everywhere we work together. that's why the developed countries are interested to talk to us because we are living in those countries. i'm talking about china, i'm talking about india, i'm talking about our countries and talking about many is south american countries . latin american countries that are following us. i mean, i say the leadership of, you know, all these countries, the list of the like minded developing countries. this is our group and they know with them they, they know us. it's the 1st one. and the 2nd one think that maybe the or listen to us is that of course we are the 1st serves of lithium into were
and we are trying to individualize it. and of course, that was one of there is one of the could that in 2019 and help anybody? yeah, i mean, the greatest story in of the americas edward galena, sent from diamond memorial. that natural resources have been a curse to countries in your region. tell me about the the qu, data, you know that the bars johnson, the government, they did not condemn the massacres of your people when the crew happened. in fact, jeremy's call, been a british labor leader at that time was criticized for attacking the coo. wow, you know, in bolivia we have 38 people dead in 2019. there are responsible for that. and the. yeah, you know, the, in bolivia we are following trials against those people that were involved
in the program. and there are some on jail in, you know, in a trial process normal trial process. and what the people in believe it, when i was in campaign, asked me to do it is justice. justice doesn't mean a persecution. it doesn't mean you know which hands whatever you want. know here the government of the quicker the government is coming from the could it, they signed a supreme decree where they establish and they asked the and they em, compulsory a says to the year in the army to go to the streets and go against the people that was inno claiming for election chantelle and things like that.
so i mean, something is that somebody is responsible for these and that's why there are trials in bolivia. so whatever they, they come to, you know, do europe or united states, whatever. trying to say anything different is not true. i mean, well, i mean on to the media reporting go over in a 2nd, but you've been, you've criticized the organization of african of american states. you criticize with the european union to say, i just want to get on to britain though. what was the role of britain? because britain, we have reports, the british embassy in the buzz funded lithium consultation documents in 2019 the u. k. a. m. i 5 got our doctor, a cybersecurity firm linked to the cia 8 months before the coo was involved in different activities. rogers news agency,
which historically has been associated with the intelligence agencies, worked with the u. k embassy in your country to train bolivian journalists just before the qu. what is britain's role in the coo? well, i mean, you know, many countries were involved in the credit that of 2019. and now the research are showing that for example, democracy government in argentina, mr. lennon moreno in ecuador did participated, you know, sending some work on and some bullets to olivia. and that's completely true because in argentina we have a trial there, you know, and nothing happened in a quite often. but we received from the old government, you know, and please given back all the weapons and, and that we gave it into in 2019. so that's why we, we, you know,
we discover these kind of things. so every time, every, a moment that we received a new report from research form universities from international institutions like, you know, human rights and so on. we are, is even more information that we are processing, we are understanding what was going on. and of course, there's many strange things that happened at the time as you measure the participation of the british embassy. there is research and of all, if you also, you know, when the could the people who were in the beating trying to decide who is going to be the written expression. and in that meeting a, the ambassador of brazil, even believe it was, there was a brazilian bustle doing in the we are among the, the volleyball editions, you know. and even when boys who were coming from the computer, we don't have any,
any proof, see it. but you know, you can use your imagination in order to understand what was going on, but slowly, slowly, but very clear as the light in the darkness, you know, everything will be clarified in the next months next years. well, lennon moreno, of course, allowed the british police to capture julian sons from the ecuadorian embassy and know that he would say off the record, we get pressure from the united states before you blame countries in the region. mister president, i'll stop you there. more from the president to bolivia after this short break. ah
the cop annual gathering narrative. and as you're pointing out, you're just switching chairs on the titanic. you're just going from one particular way to destroy the global economy using for your money to a different way to destroy the global economy using the money. welcome back. i'm still here with the president of bolivia, louis sasa. what did you make of a biden's? actually blink and saying, he's very concerned about demo democracy in your country at the moment. a demonstration. well, you know which democracy in the north american democracy is concerned about, about the politicization of your legal system. and you know, when washington talks about countries, south of the rio grande, what happens? well, i don't think that many, many things can be saved by, by
a united states. people are so about democracy. believe the justice in virginia. or what i can say is that we won the election last year with 55 percent of the boats. and in, in bolivia, if you go to a vote process, it's compulsory. it's not like in rights to states that you know, 10 percent 9 percent of people go to the elections or you win with 90 percent, but it's only 10 percent of population. im olivia is a composer. everybody has to go to, to the boat to, to, to the elections, to vote. and i want with 555 percent of more than 50 percent of both. so, i mean, which is democracy. we can show them that there we are more democratic country than ever, you know,
because we have more than 50 percent of the population i back in as our government and think about the justice, the justice. we haven't changed any anybody there see in our government the same people that managing the justice when the credit that people were in the government, you know, is the same people that are managing the current justice in believe we didn't change in the judge. we didn't change anybody out of december the way that they were processing me. i have more than 7. it tries against me when i was in campaign, you know, but no the same people is managing the justice. that is managing the tribes against all the people that were in the so what does, what does blinking mean? of course, he was an architect of the war on libya, africa's richest per capita country by virtue of its oil. we know what happens tomorrow. the nicaraguan elections,
we see the united states tried to kill or take it obviously, and reports of attempts on the life of maduro in venezuela. just tell her audience what your interior minister has been saying in recent days. it was a deal castillo horrifying news, arguably at the same mercenary group group that murdered govern elmore, you say 80 attempted to kill. yeah. that's right. people who kill the oppression in haiti. they were in bolivia because it was traced to a miami group. the haiti, assassination of the president. yes, they were. what were in your case, what was it? how was it traced? we understand that, that they wanted us, you know, not to, to be the, the, to become the president. you know, they were doing everything at,
even at the end of the last minute. they wanted to do something because they were not happy with have been in october last year when we want to elections. so they decided to kill us. and they, they hired some people to do that, but fortunately, they couldn't do anything after 2, you know, i was in the government. so we understand that they were trying to do something. i, fortunately nothing, nothing happened. you know, i was taking care of myself and all the people around me was taking care of me and nothing happened. but what we have already known about dsl attention, you know, was that the hire people to kill us and that's, that's what is going on on the media and do the website. so nothing to
suggest that us intelligence was involved in any way though. well, all of these things, you know, it's focusing on the former ministry of defense that mrs. i news have. yeah, you mentioned brazil earlier. it will by president wilson are a hand over fernando lopez. i understand he's in brazil at the moment, if indeed to, to answer the allegations that he tried to kill you. well, you know, he says he's not stuck in anything. there are many people of the government in brazil, you know, you know, so we will expect what happened in the trial because we understand that sooner or later, they had to come to olivia and see, you know, something in the, in the tribes. they are, they are facing so we will wait. g,
aside from the lithium, the nato countries went from you. and there are obviously vested all the god, interested in bolivia, domestic and it's an external well lives on the internal one. jeremy call been here and he came within a couple of 1000 votes of becoming prime minister here in britain amongst a virulent media media campaign. he says, you prove that deal liberalism can be turned around something that many people in global self countries. i mean that the probably discouraged but that principle, what is your bonus against hunger initiative that you have instituted in your country in my country? i'm only 30 percent of people have a salary wages the 7th, the rest of the people. if you know they have a they, they work by themselves. so when the bun demick can't came to bolivia in march
last year. they only did quoting tina, you know, so everybody at home and many people that used to live in the work in day basis. they couldn't earn anything. so they to wear no money for many families, 70 percent of them. so they were hungry. they started to, you know, they say they started to get some loans, you know, in order to leave and that's why we decided to go to the hungry bone, which is a. yeah. you know, a condition that transfer for everybody who don't have to wait a salary. and that's the way we are trying to increase the internal demand. because
the pandemic what it has had, when has affected in the will, even economy is that, you know, you don't have the month because nobody has money. now we get somebody like what warranted the government did here. oh, we had a fellow furlow system. no, not that radical, don't be. we'll wait. say what is radical though. obviously have been your taking back into democratic control. key industries from milk to i don't know which of water and certainly for why was it important to hand back the us back. cool leader as was you'd college in an years? $300000000.00 i m f loan. why was it important to have because the i'm, i wouldn't have allowed you to bring back on the democratic control these industries. no, no, you know, even if it currently we would have a agreement with i am if we can broken any time as we did in 2006 when i was there, a miniature of economy or my country. we didn't have when, when, during,
during the eval morales presidents you, we never had any agreement with the i m f and we did better in economy. and also at this time, i mean the i m f, the only the only principle that i am ever has when you signed an agreement with them is the conditions of the credit. not only because $300000000.00, you know, i opened the international market for believe year. so i can go to the market. is your $500.00 me the $1000000.00 us dollars very easily. now. so $300000000.00. it's not a huge money. you know, for as the problem is right of a hotel room. uh huh. you know, when you st. and agree with the i am if you have to follow all the requirements, all the conditions and one of the condition, very important condition that west india agreement was did bolivia has to evaluate
the exchange rate? i mean, you have to move the exchange rate and that was the problem for us. you know, not only you know, you have to sell to sell out all your public enterprises, which is, you know, coming back to the ninety's in my country, privatize privatizing, you know, but also the most important thing for us is that you know, the economic policy again we go to the you move hands and we don't, we are not agree. we don't agree with that, but it's sister organization. the world bank came to always say, we've learned the m f. well, back i've learned from the mistakes of impoverishing the global south in hundreds of millions of people over decade. i would say one think what they say. another thing is what they do. oh, retail gastro famously said he should kick the m f out earlier. and, and i think you mentioned cuba in your un general assembly speech in recent days
with regard to sanctions. you know, what happens to countries that oppose the, the great economists of the international monetary fund would, would deliver. you be able to cope with sanctions or is just the lithium protect you from sanctions because the whole world once lithium, they're now either fix. i mean, for a, the cuban problem they are sometimes we understand they are doing badly, not because of those social is in there. because of, you know, the, the problem they are facing that nobody can trade than work with them. the blockades, the blockade. that's the problem, because that is the reason why they are not developing as fast as they need to do. i mean, as i said, you've talked about, i mean, the organization of american states, 60 percent of the money comes from the usa. they, well,
we tried to invalidate your democratically elected leadership. what, what is the role of alba and canada we worked with in the shanghai cooperation organization to oppose these new liberal organizations? what, what about these trends that we have to enhance our, in the scenes? 2019. were we so for liquidity in bolivia, i think we were a little bit, you know, i'd have to explain what elbow is. obviously, britain is leaving a big trade group like with breaks it, but what you might have to dallas, what alber is, why it's important. it's very important because we're kind of together, we can corporate each one each other. i mean, there are many advantages to be in algebra, not only for olivia for been israel level q or what, but also for all the small islands that we have that belong to the ira in the
caribbean ocean. i mean, in the given c, sorry. so, you know, i think there are many things that we can work together. we can do together and receive results. dan, going along. i mean, that's the idea of what we need for them. where we can, you know, communicate. we can discuss some word problems that can affect through all our countries. and i suppose just finally, it's a terrible, terrible question in a way that maybe we ask it on going on to graham. when we ask questions of people who oppose new new liberalism. if something does happen to you will the movement for socialism body have other people to lead in bolivia. it is a serious question given we've seen assassinations just in the past few months. yeah. i mean, i, i have, we have some party the vice president who's doing well,
but also we have young people like the president of the snake. like our just president of the deputy care assembly as well. i mean, there are some many young people that are coming, you know, be higher. sure about them all. rafael korea was on our show recently. promoted marina. well, i can't say anything about it. but in the case of the m. m a symbol e b m a. i understand that we help people following, i mean there are people, i'm not only the only one that could recover the democracy in bolivia and recover all the government. i think we have people that we can trust, you know, in the same way, you know, with the same pressure both the same made ology. and i mean, i don't see any problem. and they think they know because we're trying now to to
prepared more young people for the coming days. we need more leaders. we need a tentative for the democratic or for the democracy under, for democratic a internal elections as well. president resources. thank you. thank you. that's for the show, from the believe in embassy in london, we'll move back on monday until then. keep in touch with us by all our social media subscribed to which i'm on youtube. see them? ah, join me every thursday on the alex salmon. sure. but i will be speaking to guess on the world politics sport business. i'm sure business. i'll see you then. mm. ah.
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