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build is a chance perhaps a last chance to save humanity from climate catastrophe. i'm joined by author activists in the diane of green politics in britain decades. jonathan poorest, thanks so much. johnson for coming on to extinction. rebellion saying nothing in the run of the resembles a compassionate functional response to the crisis. and we should expect catastrophic failure. and i don't know where to go means you mean you're going to amplify the distractions? is it, is that true events as usual, a bit over the top, catastrophic failure is not on the cards. the likelihood of it being a failure is still a very real possibility as far as johnson himself, as actually acknowledged. but the likelihood is they'll do the usual sort of law minute pulling the rabbits out of the story. so the press releases can be written, telling us all the class. there was a great success. it won't be a great success because the gaps between what needs to be done and what is the
moment likely to be done if the gaps are just too big. so it won't be a catastrophe, but it certainly isn't gonna get done. everything that needs to get done. so we shouldn't be too surprised by argue, be alarmist league documents revealing lobbying by saudi arabia, australia, japan, and other countries to, to the i, b, c, c, to, to water. now, recommendations off of those. we shouldn't be too worried about that. i mean, that happens every single time that the governmental panel comes up with a new record. it's part of the course, and it's actually, it's not that bad a part of the process because you've got the scientists actually engaging with the politicians. the scientists say the politicians, every single time they push back, they say, sorry, we just deal with the science. it's up to you to sort of politics when you get together in glasgow wherever it might be, but nothing you're saying to us actually undermines the science that we're giving you. it's very clear the processes clear. personally,
i was suppose that i would be very surprised if governments like saudi arabia weren't making any sense of themselves, trying to chip away scientific consensus. because the signing the consensus is pretty devastating for countries like saudi arabia. yeah, have politics hauling the silence, the science of what could go wrong. i think we heard that somewhere else. johnson declares that capitalism is the solution to the climate crisis. i know you always said over throwing capitalism and it shouldn't be the the priority. i mean, how concerned should we be that microsoft, you need a g s k jaguar land rover there amongst the sponsors of call? 26. i don't think we should be too concerned the good thing this time around. and we've only just discovered that is that the u. k. government was sensible enough to say no to sponsorship from any of the major oil and gas companies the big extracted companies. so they drew a line, many of the companies that are sponsoring glasgow this time are seriously committed
to getting their own emissions of greenhouse gases under control. they have ambitious targets. we're not going to do this without big multinational companies being part of the story. it's ridiculous to think we could get there without that. so as long as the sponsors are, as it were, just players in the whole process for people who are completely shaping influencing or manipulation that process, i don't have an objection to that. it, when you get these dreadful double standards where the oil and gas companies are putting their blow goes up all over conference, this kind, then you begin to think that that's really just not acceptable. we can't be doing with that amount of cognitive dissonance in these, in these events, well used to work for me or talk to us before about a green washing. but on the other hand, if they don't put the corporate logos, isn't it still important, that fossil fuel companies, which are so powerful,
or at least a big presence there? i mean, i mean, would the civil, who don't worry anonymously said b, p a doesn't currently fits our success criteria for comp 26. should they, me somehow, in their, these big evil multinational companies because they are and do you know why they will be in bed for sure. i mean, they are following all of these things. the fact that your response or not response does not necessarily influence your presence at a conference of this kind. but we have to bear in mind these companies have failed . it's time after time after time. and right now very disturbing it for a lot of people. companies like b, t and shell, they're still failing us and they're still making really frightfully dishonest commitments to i quote here. net 0 by 2050. how an oil and gas company that will still be seeking to to extract huge volumes. oil and gas can
ever be met 0 within the next 30 years is honestly just ridiculous. so they, they are undermining the idea of net 0 even as they do that. and it is still pretty cynical play. well, they reject that charger dishonesty, and arguably it's up to government to force them giving the hidden subsidies for fossil fuel companies high re with that. i couldn't agree with that more. and if government started to withdraw subsidies, we might get some rather different, possibly more honest positions from the oil and gas companies. and she just remind is, what is the scale of the public money, effectively subsidizing fossil fuel companies in say, britain with us, it is, it's billions. every year. i think the latest calculations was something like $11000000.00 a minute. this is what they did. they don't tend to quote that on the news b, b, b has been doing other things, allegedly open democracy,
revealing that debbie has been paying x m i 6 a just just spy on environmentalists. how dangerous is it for? the protest is retro thornburg extinction. rebellion they're going to be outside the, the cop $26.00 holes. that are dangerous. is it for environmentalists protesting? i don't know whether you are on their radar or have been on the radar of oil companies as firing mercenaries despite on you. who knows. i wish them well, it's the point of our most environmental activists is that we're completely transparent. what, what we do is no kind of secrecy in our dealings and deliberations. an idea of these big oil companies think they need i, a spooks, as it were, to keep us all under surveillance, is slightly ridiculous. i don't know, by the way whether the story is true or not. i simply have no idea. i can't really comment on that, but most environmentalists are accustomed to a certain level of scrutiny and at different stage it's a certain level of surveillance which has been undoubtedly very intrusive and often
quite frightening for a lot of environmental activists. so i don't want to make light of this. if you're in the front line and the security forces, or large multinational companies decide that you are target for their scrutiny, that's not a nice place to be for sure. and how geopolitical is the summit? obviously, media here centering on russia and china, and they're evil of their fossil fuel emissions. a policies there was a bio diversity covers the other the other day in china called 15 prince charles, your old boss, we used to work group. he was speaking, they didn't even cover the conference here in britain. i don't know whether because even despite the to the throne making is this, are we going to hear a lot of cold war 2.0 call 26 to geo politics of these events is always right up there. i mean that there's, you can't be naive about this tool. so the stand off going on at the moment between
the u. s. and china over things like taiwan on the south, china sea, et cetera. it seems ridiculous that the climate change conference should be affected by that particular power play going on in global politics, but it will be and you can't take that out of the mix. it's just what it is. so the fact that president putin is not going to turn up for the conference is hardly surprising, given russia is one of the most intransigent hold out countries when it comes to a climate consensus. there's no question about that, but it is troublesome to the world as a whole because we can't get the breakthroughs we need without the family of nash coming together in shared solidarity. it's impossible, so probably not a good time to be sailing more ships to china's maritime borders. right now. you a, some british warships and whatever's happening in the don't bass worse. johnson's government, i know you said this is the bus and it's quite an amazing record on renewables. he
was talking about recycling not being that important via the other day seems more environmentally conscious than any prime minister in the, in memory. arguably, did you think now they'll have to stop the coal mining cumbria this, mozambique cabin delgado? africa gas terminal. do you think they're really, really are quite serious. there's government about environmentalism, careful. yeah. they are getting more serious because the pressure is building all the time. public expectations building all the time. you look at the surveys, clearly people want politicians to do more. but boris is such a kind of way would carry to be taking the lead on all of this. and thank you very much for giving me an opportunity to tell bar is just how stupid his comments about recycling plastic were yesterday or the day before he got that completely wrong. he gets a lot completely wrong, but that he got completely wrong. yes,
we need to use less plastic, but we also need to see huge amounts of plastic being recycled in order to stop it, getting into the environment, the marine environment, the landfill sites, cetera, et cetera. you see, he doesn't do his homework ever. he says, right, i was thinking form, i thought he was talking about the energy needed to recycle or something like that . and he came across and said recycling plastic is a waste of time and lots to little innocent children were sitting there listening to great by telling them that recycle plastic was a waste of time. he's a liability. now as regards the global south already, the mean a lot of criticism about the fact that they haven't even organ is a bridge. got arthritis covey, vaccinations from members of the global south. obviously, masses of countries not able to come back because of code. what role do you think the death cancellation for the global south should play in enabling environmental anti climate change policies?
it's fair to say that these financial issues loom large, every single one of these big climate conferences. they, they never go away, but they're particularly painful. this time around, simply because the western countries haven't delivered on their 100000000000 dollar commitment, which was made back in 2009. and they're particularly painful this time is a lot of poor countries are beginning to see that the costs of climate change are ramping up all the time. and yet they don't have anything like the wherewithal, the means to address those costs and to invest in a low carbon transition of the kind that we're getting used to in your america and elsewhere. sh. so this is still going to be a big part of the conference. it will absolutely come up in the 1st couple of days and western government and the you can particular which hasn't exactly covered itself in glory by taking the hatchet to its overseas a budget. western countries are going to have to deal with this very sensitively
and very intelligent because otherwise it will definitely influence the whole of the rest of the conference. i was thinking more about the debt they're having to pay back. i mean, the aide budget never even a covered the amount of interest payments. these developing countries have to have that payback. can you not see that even in 2021 a lot of the global south see this is an imperial imperial li issue of countries that have a help destroy the climate, the most telling countries in it and the resources to somehow reduce growth. they're not doing it to liberate growth, they're doing to promote the kind of growth doesn't make the problem worse, but i don't want to take away from what you just said. many countries see this definitely as a failure to recognize historical injustice. rich world countries are primarily responsible for this crisis, and therefore the steps that we take and the amount of money that we invest in it must be proportionate to historical responsibility. you can't get around that and
to argue that isn't the case is ready. demeaning on the part of a lot of rich countries. slightly different issue about debt forgiveness. these 2 things are pursued through different diplomatic routes if you like, but they're all tied up when a lot of these countries see the way in which the financial system is still preferences, the interest of the rich world against their interests. and now they've got climate finance making things worse for them on top of all of the bar. thank you. thanks after the break. as you case military carrier strike force approaches. china does she jin ping have reason enough to boycott? got 26 in scotland. baltimore, can we help about 2 of going undergrad? does your a path to strategic vision for the future?
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welcome back nature nation media is already attacking vladimir putin and she gin ping of an old coming to call $26.00 of his british and us worship carrier strike forces get closer to china or join now from arlington, virginia by chance, while woo, the executive director of the professional association for chinese environment. chung la, thanks so much for coming on. yeah. lawrence johnson, we're all celebrating here in london, the britain on the world stage. china help the environment. there was actually a different conference recently the cop 15 conference with prince charles says she didn't bring under. never let him put him or act. and what was that for a view as you may not have heard about it, because even prince charles speech at the conference that a cop 15 conference in china wasn't covered here. arguably. thank you for having me . i think that just as you said, now it's called wendy says is that you k show. so back in 10 to 15 and ask for french show, right. so it was in paris and of course they were local politics,
so geo politics involved. so i wouldn't be surprised why you paid probably didn't really pay attention, you know, back then. but other than that, i don't think it's a big deal, but it was about by diversity. right? oh, yes, i was interested more last week actually. so that was a union claiming china. so china surprises nancy of the by diversity conservation clinical 15 as a new that's actually you can trying to come in to work very closely with each other. not just for diplomatic purpose, but more importantly because the 2 issues are so much connected to the back by scientific research that yes, on west side, we do need to my to gate, you know, reduce a carbon emissions. but in the meantime, the roles of nature have been recognized more and more so if you look at the confirmations globally, the ocean is in the land,
lines and biomass. we pretty much of for the promotion for half of the mission. of course, the other half meant to be ended up in the atmosphere. so from that perspective, i definitely think china the, the bilateral collaboration in terms of leading internationally of our mental motto, lateral governance. actually the, he said good example. so now of course it back to the climate change issue, was there the cost? so back in $21521.00. and i think generally speaking, the global community succeeded with the support of the economist. they give us a china, of course, many european countries that had also been continuing naturally to play the role. so this was why a lot of people are just saying is all, all talk, no less than the queen of queen of england. what is the biodiversity fund? i mean, is that going? because there's very little publicity about that do? well, if you look at a cub 15,
i was only competed to reconnect the 1st part of it. of course of harmony was postponed to by college. and apparently also because of the complexity of really reaching a meaningful, international agreement. so we still are still looking for next may when the 2nd part is completed in planning, hopefully by time will be able to have. so something called a post, a 2020 global by diversity conservation of framework back gonna be then going to be specific action as a target. the goal is including the financing vehicle mechanisms. so hopefully we'll be identified in that, of course, on the basis or for some principles, for a sense of the amputee. she was a fairly, she was a city or safe or sustainable uses of by biological, you know, can i take resource and stuff like that? so we don't know yet i but somehow learning from the comics. pretty good parents agreement on the bike. this is his site from the from the commission perspective.
definitely they realize will never without the financing, there's no way you're gonna be able to deliver any commitments or targets. so we'll see fingers crossed the see or we hear about is that china is the biggest polluter in the world. they don't use the per capita element of the, of the phrase. and it's not even the pre verification of she's in being overcoming to glass difficult. 26 of symptomatic of china's destruction of the global climate . what you think nato nation media may be getting the wrong end of the stick? here? it's really unfortunate, somehow, generally speaking, there might be cases where cases, western commentators of media really will be able to present more checks that picture by china. but generally speaking, this is really fortunate, but on the other side, you know, few things to understand the role of china in the global climate change, you know,
process 1st kind of does this sort of iconic making to break it. so yes, at this moment, china continues to be the word a largest, and i tried a year and somehow trying to also hold this binding global curve sort of positioning. meaning, china's action will form mentally, hopeless, accelerated on the be me and the curve so bad since the global ambition to achieve negative carbon by around the made up thanks, rate will be delivered. secondly, if you look at the reality today, there's something interesting numbers actually. somehow west media cannot really pay much attention to. if you look at the last year and globally 60 percent of the wind energy products and equipment provided by china. if you add solar and other renewable energy equipment facilities and products, china provides somewhere around the 70 percent of global need. if you look at u v,
last year, china manufactured the half of the global electric vehicles. if you look at a battery, lithium ion battery, in particular, the fuel leading chinese companies about her a company, it's a little provide to 70 percent global need. even though kind of smarter. greg, there's something called a super high voltage break technologies just trying to use a needy. i'm only needing in terms develop, but deploy what does that tell you that housing basically in the, let's see, the country is stepping forward. very, very steadfastly in terms of, you know, driving has all the information industrialization. you know, it's radiant as a lazy, clean technologies. there yet clearly white daily tricity needs a power and all we hear about in the, again, the aged asian meter is chinese opening loads of coal. let's get to some specific examples. his britain for us, johnson, and i think 5000 pound grants to change. 90000 of you case 25000000 gas boilers.
that's a big initiative here in britain. give us a taste of what kind of initiatives going on in china. yeah, i type the numbers in china and probably more and more impressive if you look at the installation of renewable energy, chinese, are they needing globally. and so currently china has at that close to, i think, 18th or a 151 to 15 percent off the bill that china's energy structure already is supposed to pay it based. if you look at a consultation, china is moving very, very fast in terms of electrification. of transportation sector and also loads with solar panels on the top than plugged into the grid. i. yes, there are many, many innovations. they are solutions that when point i, i do want to make what you connect to the point that the numbers i gave you. can you imagine such a scenario? the role of china, if all the capacities in terms of manufacturing take on innovation, no deployment, you know, china, you, as you, in particular,
we like to say economies actually will be working together. we have a solution. we don't have to stop any where the safety baiting the band, who was she take what sharon comes to, how much to reduce bite in the keep on the car gets there. there are solutions from technology perspective, from industrialization, perspective, but somehow we know very well politicians deal politics that 0 sum game or that sort of mine says, are standing in the way. that's not, i would seen a dual. and i mean, should you think it's on surprising that she did bring would be reluctant to come to glasgow given britain is right now sailing. it's military, carry a strike force to china. and so as the united states, i know you're an environmental expert. i don't know what the emissions must be for the pentagon. it's all secret via $400.00 military base is around china. as regards its impact on fossil fuel emissions. you think you'd be surprising if she didn't
think did come to glasgow given the u. s. s. strike force and the british one that right now, sailing towards you don't. yeah. yeah, i side, i think it's, it's the army. politicians is the, you know, geo politics or whatever i will see. and then that, so the only position i taking myself, they just like to watch, ideally, of course, globally day. so we'll get together to get that 2nd point i do want to make, i think, when think positively coming from us. you know, congress of federal congress at this moment. they are proposals on the table to really do you know, to a funding a carbon emissions that could to get or not but pentagon behind it military faces around them. we don't know the numbers yet. elisa and somehow recently to my rating, i see that on the table a somehow really, unfortunately, some countries have particular major economies around the world are really some how playlists that job. how politics is such a trex gains really distracting the global african ever to deliver the most
important sort of goal? you know, this is a bunch of, i don't. i mean, i don't know whether you've mentioned i met with joe biden's climb at envoy john kerry. and we don't carry any kind of, well yeah, i mean, so you take it very seriously. now he's, he's always he, one of the richest us politicians, married to a heinz, a heiress. but he took money in the past from airline and automotive companies were his and climb up the ladder. he's a supported was, i mean, would it be missile strikes on syria? and he talks to you about the environment and you go right, john gary, are a great climate over. i mean, how can anyone take him sir? is taken very seriously. honestly. i know fortunately i met him couple few times. so i think, you know, this is more complicated than just commenting on it. you do need to post these, you know, your work. so instead of course in position, he has a very important position and have to definitely working really hard traveling
around the world. and i think he's taken long, this is sort of a role supporting of course you keep prices on west side in the meantime, me particularly to persuade to china and other countries. ashley to john was planning to be on board to support. i don't know whatever his definition of being on board china has been on board from the beginning anyway in the week. i mean by john kerry on i'm just going to find the ask you what is fundamentally the difference between a chinese communist approach to combat climate change and a capitalist one. by some more company, kate, i don't think they're just implemented they're, it's hard to say which of political systems, whatever works, of the best. we need to see the outcome right from me. i don't care about ideology or political system, whatever, from climate change perspective, as all the people as well be you know, and perspective as long as they will be able to deliver the outcome and west side to benefit the people in the planet. that's the most important criteria. when you
talk about the which system is there part of the strand which has already demonstrated again, again, unified in china by china. it's, this is sort of a capability of uniting or forces within the country or the public private that mr . feisty, around the one particular priority, a national agenda, and now with the government, the commission to 2030 caps before. you know, kathy, i mentioned before 2030 and she's been covering the full time at this moment. the country, the whole country is the live tripping united and with the advocate actions on the ground could always not enough. of course, no one is getting enough, honestly, in immediately into the company say whatever you say, whatever the commandments countries already put on the table or the and b c's. no one not per finger when the matcher is and the price in ton self radiate, you know, cheating. the one from 5 degree in a warming goes that china is no exception. a, somehow i knowing what china swing by knowing the strengths, even
a continent night to this of the stances i'm efforts and commitments. i feel more confident that china will definitely bend a curve globally to address climate change. issues of some countries will say they're abiding by the dog it's juggler who they give. thank you. that's 7 show will be back on saturday. a day before 1226 in the 1st day of the annual g. 20 summit. osha by italy. the subject of covert cia operation, glad you to neutralize socialism in europe until then keep in touch, why social media? and let us know if you think china and russia should attend up to anything. it states have to be ready to be able to afford enzyme in front of the luxury good for sure. despite having the most expensive health care system in the
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