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it washington isn't finished with afghanistan just yet military involvement has come to an end, but not engagement. also, we were told there is an energy crisis. maybe this is part of the great reset. ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, marcus papadopoulos in london, he's a historian, analyst, and author of the book arise, receive the return of russia to world politics and implements. we have patrick huntington. he is the editor and founder of the 21st century wire dot com. originally crossed up rules and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i would appreciate it again, its are out with market ever since the chaos withdraw from a couple in the, in the western world, particularly in the washington foreign policy. so there's been a lot of discussion of what, what is next year and actually what is actually happened is happening because on
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the one hand you have many saying, and this is the subtext is the reason to go back in is that the taliban are in, meet with isis and al qaeda and all of this. and then there's another narrative out there that visually it was very chaotic, but policy wise there may be some kind of underlying attempt to engage the taliban . it's some kind of barrier and even possible ally in the region when it comes to american foreign policy. it's really mixed. there's a lot of emotion attached to this. ok, honey, you see. and because there's one thing that you can't deny, a lot of military equipment was left behind during the afghan civil war, which raged from the 1996 to 2001 in approximately took the taliban one year. so much elephants in the country. and yet in 2021,
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despite the presence of the u. s. military in africa on together with the after an army which was trained and ultimately equipped by washington, it took the taliban a matter of weeks to conquer the whole of the country. now any one we've just an ounce, all enlightenment about military affairs. we'll conclude that it will simply inconceivable for the taliban on their own. so conquered afghanistan, a country exceptionally large, exceptionally diverse. and with the american military presence, that is why pizza leading to the taliban. victory in africa and on the day they end to oh, i stood almost alone on television by saying that i believe the west
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america and also britain arrived at an informal agreement with the taliban, where by the americans and the british would allow the taliban to emerge victorious so long to ask on his son and in return the taliban would have to ensure that american america and britain retain that strategic influence in afghanistan and what we have seen since. in fact, what we saw within days of the talent and entry into campbell was maintenance between the taliban and the director of the cia meetings between the taliban and the heads of britons from an intelligent service. s. s small, commonly known as m. i. 6. we have also seen the taliban guarantee in public the security western pipelines in afghanistan. and we have also
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seen western mainstream major, both in america and in britain begin the process of conditioning, the american and british people to see in our to see in the taliban as a ally against isis. because the americans and the british mainstream major outlets are starting to tell their people that the taliban, another taliban from the 19 nineties and the to fail since they have reforms they have even pledged to observe and respect human rights. so what i believe pates is that the americans in the british are very much in afghanistan. they do not need an army of occupation to control afghanistan. they have simply, i write that an informal agreement teller and they control key institutions in afghanistan, such as the civil service. and i believe that sooner rather than later,
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washington and london willis will formalize informal relations with the taliban. by reopening the embassies in i just need to jump in in there because you could also make the argument in the, in what we just heard can be true. but it can also be true that the taliban are, are playing the field. of course you have they, they've met the russians or the russians met with them before, even though the taliban is designated by russia as a terrorist organization on china. his chimed in as well. so it looks like in the green game in this, it's the 21st century version of the here. because i would agree with marcus that the us wants to can maintain at least some form of influence there because it's the, the taliban is reaching out to others. and we have to remind everyone part of the trump deal was that our groups like al and isis will had to be had to be under
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control. meaning they wouldn't be using afghanistan as a base for foreign endeavors here with. so there's a lot of mixed commentary again, it because of the emotional shock for so many people that were so vested in the war and they're going to go get a pedal that narrative. so i think things are in flux here. but remember, patrick react to what marcus had to say was very interesting. yeah, you could say, oh, come on, what continue it, marcus? this point. i think you can go off to the segue, but it, when the early ninety's, when the taliban took power, it was, it was, you know, a lot of people in the west don't realize that a lot of people in afghanistan at that time saw them is the lesser of 2 evils, because all these warlords in northern alliance types that the u. s. had backed later post $911.00, they were responsible and known throughout afghanistan for committing grave
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atrocities. and so when they were, when the taliban came to power, even by the women of, of afghanistan were seen as a lesser of 2 evils. so it wasn't as black and white it because the afghan war is portrayed as a women's rights issue. in the west, i mean that was the sort of overriding narrative right through everything justified that the intervention and that's how it played out anyway, in terms of the liberal press and so forth with the reality is much more complicated. and the point marcus was making about the u. s. strategic interests. so the question is, what are those strategic interests? and yes, you have the tapi, the torque mount, stan afghan, pakistan, india pipeline. that's definitely a western interest. why is that a western interest? because that's in direct competition with the c pack, a chinese pakistan energy corridor, which is part of the belton road initiative. so these are competing supply lines.
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india is, is a big set piece in western geopolitical hedge money terms. and so who can win india and also cut off china to derive china. i mean the u. s. it's known the u . s. are backing belushi militants and they're attacking some of these very areas, including your, the water port of water in pakistan, you have the militants in my and more you have the stable ation there. that's another route. china needs these overland routes to bypass any potential disruption in the south china sea august. and the sort of the things that we're looking at that could take place in the future in terms of disrupting shipping lanes and so forth. so china has a very diverse strategy, and one of the main step pieces also is shing john, western china. and there was a z, a isis, the emergence of isis k is. if you look back at the history of this so called
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terrorists group, ok that they just re branded entices k was the chorus and group in 2013 or no, sorry, 20142015. this was a term coined by the u. s. intelligence. when james clapper was in charge, this is an obama administration, in my opinion, and probably many others who looked at this closely. it's a kind of a construct the course and group, and it is a pedigree through it. i'm in, don't worry. i'll cut in the re being the peninsula, the underwear bomber. it runs right through this bit of classic and intelligence, clandestine and terrorist construction that the u. s. or they've just basically revived it and all the sudden suicide bomb attacks. and after the pull out in afghanistan, so what is the nicest fraction doing in afghanistan, but playing a disruptive role, you just had all the wiggers as escaping from prison, magically after the u. s. withdrew you have all these other isis militants who were
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somehow simultaneously escaped from prison? i'm sure there they had assistance in that. so that's the major jihad jailbreak that you saw right before the emergence of isis in july of 2014. so i see of this repeating pattern that's forming right now. and so the, like you said, the u. s. doesn't need to be in afghanistan, militarily, like marcus said, and they, there's other things that they can do to direct the affairs in the region. it sounds like mark, as it sounds like to me is that, you know, in western historical conference. we go from this state to this state here. but any given what we've already said here on our program, is it, this is just the continuation of the civil war just in a different direction with different people with different names because it sounds like what this is, what's going on right here. go ahead. yes. and i also believe that history teaches us that the americans and the british only withdraw from
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a country on strategic value to them. if they have been militarily defeated in that country. and the americans and the british will not militarily defeated in afghanistan. it is true, the americans and the british, whenever able to military inflicts at the fates on the pilot. but at the same time, the telephone were never able to defeat the americans and the british. marcus, also, another failure is that the us was never able to legitimize their proxy government in the eyes of the population. that was a very key thing. and i think fundamentally, that is the reason why they decided to be ok, because there was nothing you could do to legitimize that government was just corrupt to the core. keep going indeed. i mean, we have a look at the casualties which the american british military's incur song, but losses all most negligible. so that is why it comes back to my
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assertion which i have been putting out for some months now that the americans and the british had no reason to leave afghanistan. ask and his phone is of immense strategic value to buy washington and london as it was to the british empire in the 19th in the 19th century. so that is why i believe we will see through the americans and the british russian national security troops, central asia, central asia, is also to speak through the taliban, the americans and the british. we'll continue to try and stabilize shine, which is a restless muslim province in china. and also a free to tell the americans in the british will be able to limit yvonne's influence in the region a lot more to talk about when it comes up in the future. going to go to
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a short break and after that your break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our ah ah ah, there is a list of stuff but mostly within the daniels provided with you, but it was just food, say the game and then you would you that is images levels of was good for supposedly i'd have my did some, i would say again to spend music his image is filica, mom with hope was out of here to get the vote. if i give you with all of your plan, some level of bella is ready to the shelters will push up with
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what happened. i make no said, you know borderline, to tease and you as a merge, we don't have with the we don't to look vaccine. the whole world leads to take action to be ready. people are judgment, common crisis with we can do better, we should be doing better. everyone is contributing each in their own way, but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is great,
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the response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we're in it together with ah ah, welcome back to cross stuck were all things considered? i'm peter le bell. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real issues. ah ok gentlemen, let's change gears here. patrick. the western world world in general is experiencing a quote unquote energy crisis here. in many ways, for me,
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i certainly can. consumers are feeling a shortage, high prices. there's no denying, but the cause of a well, that's a different issue altogether. and i sum it up with this 2 ideas, ranking competence and ideology. i'll explain later. go ahead, jump in. yeah, so you know, it's funny how the press has reported this, this energy shock price shock and it's, it's seen as like some active nature. it's just some organic event that just happened. and we all have to deal with this surgeon, record search and wholesale energy prices. and the reality is that this isn't an organic act of god. this is a direct result of government policies, specific policy decisions made by the governments of europe made by great britain made by the united states and other a g 7 countries included. ok. so there are there the willingness to go along with
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this green new deal, or ideologically mainly, ideologically driven direct. and we saw the results of it last winter in germany when the wind turbines froze. when there was no solar power, when they couldn't meet their base load demand, what did they do? they fired up the st in texas. yes, they fired up the coal plants. so now what do you see? you see a coals. ready coming back, now they have to do this again. what happened to the price of coal? it surged. what does that mean? they need to by carbon credits or carbon offsets. so the carbon markets are booming because of a restriction and supply to the energy market. so what's the result of this? a fossil fuels becoming expensive? this crisis being passed on to consumers. ok, but a lot, but what's really caused this a good. this started during the enron revolution. the total deregulation and free floating a wholesale prices derivative markets were introduced for energy spec. the speculation
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industry was basically opened up. and although enron collapsed and people were arrested and charges were brought, the system still remains. so it's, you can manipulate the energy market, then you add to this, the price of, of gas. because if russia was allowed to supply via the north stream to buy other pipeline project, it would help to stabilize the spot price. and so they're blue. now they're blaming russia. use including of weapon ising energy is just if some believable, so russia just wants to be a good partner to europe, provide constant cheap and stable, natural gas. and marcus, the amazing thing. and i've been, i've been following the russian energy market for 2 years. i mean, a long, long time. and one thing that they've always dressed in gas from is always said, because that's the monopoly export of russia, is that they want long term contracts. they want to stay away from this speculation
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and that's when it all is exactly what patrick was saying here. this is a for some people, one person's crisis is a small group of a wealthy people's opportunity here. and again, the incompetence of it. ok when, when we have the, the height of the lock down in the west, the consumption went down and then you know, they, they can fill up the storage units. and then when they lock down, starting to come to an end, there was a surgeon in demand. and while they were doing the same time, they should have been refilling the storage units, but they weren't. ok, i mean just incompetent. i mean i'm, i don't even work in that industry and i know that go ahead mark. firstly, in the u. k. energy prices rise year on year. not because of breasts. it not because of a supposed energy crisis, but because energy, electricity, and gas in britain is privatized. secondly, griffin has relied to extensively on liquefied natural gas. and thirdly,
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the british government should have put politics aside and should have emulated the agreements which germany reached with russia. i, rich germany will receive a constant and uninterrupted flow of natural gas, which is crucial to the german industry and crucial to german domestic households. pizza, i want to share story review patrick and our viewers. recently i embarked on a journey from london to pembroke shire. that is a long distance and i stopped at numerous places along the way. at no time did i see food shortage, and no time did i see an energy shortage. but i took it upon myself to speak with employees, petro stations from london to pen, berkshire, and in supermarkets from london to pembroke shire. every single employee told me that is no food shortage. there is no energy shortage or say what has
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caused some problems regarding items of foods in supermarket and almost an overnight demand on petrol and diesel wont panic by in here we have seen pizza in griffin is a british mainstream major a few weeks ago. put out an on cooperated story to say about britain was short of petrol and diesel and the british people, again, without thinking the painter labor about forensic thinking. critically having this absolute faith in what mainstream major tells them they went out, they didn't just fill up their cars, they filled out jeremy cans. they filled up a plastic bin liners with pencil and diesel. and that caused a very short term shortage. but there is no energy crisis,
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her se, in the united kingdom. so that leads me on to discussing why is mainstream major alleging that why british ministers, a legend. i believe part of the reason is to distract the british public from some very serious changes which are being imposed in british society, fraser. v. what is known as cove 19, and i believe it is also a novel way of justifying the increase in electricity and gas by saying it hasn't anything to do with privatization. it has everything to do with russia. so i believe that there is more to this story of an energy crisis in britain than meets the eye. you know, patrick, also when i think i'm dangerous for the average consumer, is it in a way this narrative can be turned in to see how see how incompetent carbon fuel is
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we really have to we have to make that final bowls. ok over, you know, to the green economy here, which of course for the people that are subscribed to that all that might be all nice and bind. maybe they have solar panels already. but i mean, there's more time and effort in being put into 202-420-3420. 44. what about this this, this, this winter? ok, these are incompetent. people the, the think about unicorns all the time, and the rest of us pay the price for it. go ahead. yeah. so when the, when there is a spike in wholesale prices, it hurts the retail providers of energy. so it's, this is knocked out all of the smaller providers, the ones the government entice to get into the market for years. and so you're left with the big players. and if the big players can then go and complain to the government, ask for what a bailout. so i wouldn't be surprised if we see that. and so this is a consolidation of markets. this is what we've seen since the beginning of the
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coven. $1000.00 crisis, globally is really a re consolidation of finance or power and the concentration of finance and power into fewer and fewer hands. and so if you look at the great reset directive, the book ca, schwab's own book, want they want to reduce air travel. they want to make fossil fuels are no longer economically viable. they want to reduce consumption of beef and pork. now we have the pork price crisis in the u. k as well. they don't have enough added to our workers and butcher's to kill the pig, so they need to slaughter the pigs. a cashless society. that's also an important feature. central bank, digital currencies, block chain currencies. this is now being talked about by re, she's an act the chancellor checker and the bank of england more often now is so that this is seen as a fait accompli eliminating suburban life and moving people into more concentrated
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city dwellings and so forth. so, and stakeholder capitalism putting the values of stakeholders ahead of, of profit. so fundamentally transforming or the, what the free market economy, or the crony capitalist economy, whichever way you want to just right. but, so all of these take all these boxes, one by one. and so it's interesting how this overlaps this d d and the fossil fuel is ation the industrialization, energy intensive for you and sustainable development cost for 2030. this does overlap somewhat with politics because this also sees to keep russia out of the european market. is funny. that they're the u. s. and the britain are edging on you to, to keep sanctions on russia. they've been doing this for years. and, and russia just became the number 2 oil and petroleum in puerto, into the united states. just in september, they just surpassed mexico. only buying canada now. so i mean, where,
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where is the outrage from the, from the democrats and by the ministry. i mean, where's the outreach? just the complete stupidity of their planning and having me back that certainly the law of getting consequences comes into play here. i mean, it, there, so there are many things that people want on the left that want to tinker with and you know, when it comes to energy and i don't want that tinkering with it here. and when i mean partners to mark as me and me know crisis is being left wasted here, is it ok? everything because i think we have the supply chain for the critical energy crisis and they're all coming all home. go ahead. i think it's a, that's a great transformation is occurring in the west, principally in america, canada, australia, prison. and you see that it's no coincidence?
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no, yeah, no, none of it is good. and as i say, it's no coincidence that they are, those are the anglo saxon countries of the world. we know that when something happens in britain, in america very, very quickly transforms to the rest of the world. and i believe transformation is very, very a site. it's a very hideous transformation. the problem is that in america and in britain, the democratic republican, conservative and labor, all 2 sides of the same coin, they are policies. they act in their, in their own interest, not in the interest of the ordinary man and woman. and they are also important in that by then knowledge that the average person in america and in britain is more interested in what is happening on television set. and what is happening in,
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in their local communities in societies as a large. and when you have structure expense, when you have broken down that capacity to think for themselves, and you want a guess in london, employment want to thank you for watching, is here to see you next time. remember ah, ah, when i see black a black america spoke to me, why destroyed you didn't know how to say black lives matter is a movie we are importing from america. nothing of who we are. i lived in a world where white lives mattered. and i was not was like mission
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