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tv   Cross Talk  RT  October 18, 2021 12:30pm-1:01pm EDT

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ah ah ah ah ah with ah ah, it's been decade since the fall of spain's fascist regime, but old wound still haven't tailed. your interest in going into them because only coming out to you michel, freedom. okay. people to me support said cutting me in the parentheses. me. notice that i noticed that they think with thousands of newborn babies were torn from
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their mothers and given away and forced adoption. they normally bought about a used ford fiesta bit of my own global is a fairly well meant to this day mothers still search for grown children while adults look in hope for their birth parents. with hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle
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. there are growing indications that washington isn't finished with afghanistan just yet. military involvement has come to an end, but not engagement. also, we were told there is an energy crisis. maybe this is part of the great reset. ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, marcus papadopoulos in london, he's a historian, analyst, and author of the book arise, receive the return of russia to world politics and in plymouth. we have that for kennings, and he is the editor and founder of the 21st century, a wire dot com, or a gentleman, cross top roles and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i was shaded out with, with marcus, ever since the chaotic withdrawal from who in the, in the western world, particularly in the washington foreign policy. so there's been a lot of discussion of what,
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what is next year and actually what is actually happened and is happening because on the one hand you have many saying and this is the subtext is a reason to go back in is that the taliban are in meet with isis and al qaeda and all of this. and then there's another narrative out there that the visually, it was very chaotic but policy wise, there may be some kind of underlying attempt to engage that. how abandoned some kind of barrier and even possible ally in, in the region when it comes to american foreign policy. it's really there's a lot of emotion attached to this. okay, honey, you see, and because there's one thing that you can't deny, a lot of military equipment was left behind during the civil war, which raged from at 996 to 2001. it approximately took the taliban that then one year so emerged triumphant in the country. and yet in 2021.
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despite the presence of the u. s. military in africa, on to get away of the after an army which was trained and ultimately equipped by washington. it took the taliban a matter of weeks to conquer the whole of the country. now, any one we've just an ounce. all enlightenment about military affairs will concludes that it will simply inconceivable for the taliban on their own. so conquered afghanistan, a country exceptionally large, exceptionally diverse. and with the american military presence. that is why pizza leading up to the taliban. victory in africa. stone. and on the day they entered, oh, i stood almost alone on elevation by saying that i believe the west
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america. and also britain arrived at an informal agreement with the taliban, whereby the americans and the british would allow the taliban to emerge victorious . so long to ask on his dawn and in return the taliban would have to ensure that american america and britain retain that strategic influence in afghanistan and what we have seen since. in fact, what we saw within days of the talent and entry into campbell was maintained between the taliban and the director of maintenance between the taliban and the heads of britons from an intelligent service. small, commonly known as m. i. 6. we have also seen the taliban guarantee in public the security of western pipelines in afghanistan. and we have also
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seen western mainstream major both in america and in britain begin the process of condition in the american. i'm british people to seem to see in the taliban as a ally against isis because the americans and the british mainstream. major outlets are starting to tell people about the taliban and the taliban from the 1990 in the 2 thousands they had reforms. they have even pledged through all and respect human rights. so what i believe pates is that the americans and the british are very much in afghanistan. they do not need an army of occupation to control afghanistan. they have simply, i write that an informal agreement teller and, and they control key institutions in afghanistan, such as the civil service. and i believe that sooner rather than later,
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washington and london willis will formalize informal relations for the taliban. by reopening embassies in just needing to jump in in there because you could also make the argument in the, in what we just heard can be true. but it can also be true that, that the taliban are, are playing the field. of course you have, they, they've met with the russians or the russians went with them before, even though the taliban is designated by russia as a terrorist organization. and china has chimed in as well. so it looks like in the green game in this, it's the 21st century version of the here. because i would agree with marcus that the u. s. wants to can maintain at least some form of influence there because it's the, the taliban is reaching out to others. and we have to remind everyone part of the trump deal was that our groups like al qaeda and isis will had to be had to be
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under control. meaning they would be using afghanistan as a base for foreign endeavors here. so there's a lot of mixed commentary again it because of the emotional shock for so many people that were so vested in the war and they're going to peddle that narrative. so i think things are in flux here, but remember, patrick reactor with marcus, i'm to say it was very interesting. yeah. you could say, oh, come on, what continue it, marcus, this point. i think you can go off to the segue, but it, when the early ninety's, when the taliban took power, it was, it was, you know, a lot of people in the west don't realize that a lot of people in afghanistan at that time saw them is the lesser of 2 evils, because all these warlords in northern alliance types that the u. s. had backed later post $911.00, they were responsible and known throughout afghanistan for committing grave
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atrocities. and so when they were, when the taliban came to power, even by the women of, of afghanistan were seen as a lesser of 2 evils. so it wasn't as black and white it because the afghan war is portrayed as a women's rights issue. in the west, i mean that was the sort of overriding narrative right through everything justified that, that the intervention and that's how it played out anyway in terms of the liberal press and so forth was, the reality is much more complicated. and the point marcus was making about the u. s. strategic interests. so the question is, what are those strategic interests? and yes, you have the tapi, the torque mount stand, afghan pakistan, india pipeline. that's definitely a western interest. why is that a western interest? because that's in direct competition with the c pack of chinese pakistan energy corridor, which is part of the belton road initiative. so these are competing supply lines.
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india is, is a big set piece in western geopolitical hedge money terms. and so who can win india and also cut off china to derive china. i mean the u. s. it's known the u . s. are backing belushi militants and they're attacking some of these very areas, including your, the water port of water in pakistan, you have the militants in my and more you have the stable ation there. that's another route. china needs these overland routes to bypass any potential disruption in the south china sea august. and the sort of the things that we're looking at that could take place in the future in terms of disrupting shipping lanes and so forth. so china has a very diverse strategy, and one of the main step pieces also is shing john, western china. and there was a z, isis, the emergence of isis k is. if you look back at the history of this so called
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terrorists group, ok that they just re branded entices k was the chorus and group in 2013 or no, sorry, 20142015. this was a term coined by the u. s. intelligence. when james clapper was in charge, this is an obama administration, in my opinion, and probably many others who looked at this closely. it's a kind of a construct the course and group, and it is a pedigree through it. i'm so sorry. i'll cut in the reading. the peninsula, the underwear bomber. it runs right through this bit of classic and intelligence, clandestine and terrorist construction that the u. s. or they've just basically revived it and all the sudden, suicide bomb attacks and after the pull out in afghanistan. so what is the nicest fraction doing in afghanistan, but playing a disruptive role, you just had all the wiggers as escaping from prison, magically after the u. s. withdrew,
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you have all these other isis militants who were somehow simultaneously escaped from prison? i'm sure they're, they had assistance in that. so that's the major jihadi jailbreak that you saw right before the emergence of isis in july of 2014. so i see this repeating pattern that's forming right now. and so the, like you said, the u. s. doesn't need to be in afghanistan, militarily, like marcus said, and they, there's other things that they can do to direct the affairs in the region. it sounds like mark, as it sounds like to me is that, you know, in western historical conference. we go from this state to this state here. but any given what we've already said here on our program, is it, this is just the continuation of the civil war just in a different direction with different people with different names because it sounds like what is the, what's going on right here? go ahead. yes, i also believe that history teaches us that the americans and the british only
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withdraw from a country or strategic value to them if they have been militarily defeated in that country. and the americans and the british were not military really defeated in afghanistan. it is true, the americans and the british, whenever able to military inflicts at the fates on the pilot. but at the same time, the taliban, whenever able to defeat the americans and the british. marcus, also, another failure is that the us was never able to legitimize their proxy government in the eyes of the population. that was a very key thing. and i think fundamentally, that is the reason why they decided to be okay, because there was nothing you could do to legitimize that government was just corrupt to the core. keep going indeed. i mean, we have a look at the casualties which the american british military's incurred in ask and his song. but last is what all most negligible. so that is why it comes
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back to my assertion which i have been putting out for some months now that the americans and the british had no reason to leave afghanistan. ask and his phone is of immense strategic value to both washington and london as it was to the british empire in the 19th in the 19th century. so that is why i believe we will see the time the americans and the british russian national security through central asia because of central asia is russia. he also to speak to the taliban, the americans and the british continue to try the stabilize shine, which is of course, a restless muslim province in china. and also a free to tell about the americans in the british will be able to limit yvonne's influence in the region a lot more to talk about when it comes up as an in the future. going to go to
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a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our a ah, welcome back to cross doctor. all things are considered. i am peter la bell. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real issues. ah . okay gentlemen, let's change gears here. patrick. the western world world in general is experiencing a quote unquote energy crisis here. in many ways for me, i certainly can see consumers are feeling i a shortage high prices. there's no
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denying, but the cause of a well, that's a different issue altogether and i sum it up with this 2 ideas, ranking competence and ideology. i'll explain later. go head jump. yeah, so you know, it's funny how the press has reported this, this energy shock, price shock and it's, it's seen is like some active nature. it's just some organic event that just happened. and we all have to deal with this surgeon, record search and wholesale energy prices. and the reality is that this isn't an organic act of god. this is a direct result of government policies, specific policy decisions made by the governments of europe made by great britain made by the united states and other g 7 countries included. okay, so there are there the willingness to go along with this green new deal, or ideologically mainly ideologically driven directors. and we saw the results of
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it last winter in germany when the wind turbines froze. when there was no solar power, when they couldn't meet their base load demand, what did they do? they fired up the same thing in texas. yes, they fired up the coal plants. so now what do you see? you see a coals. ready coming back now they have to do this again. what's happened to the price of coal? it's what does that mean? they need to buy carbon credits or carbon offsets to the carbon markets or booming because of a restriction and supply to the energy market. so what's the result of this? a fossil fuels becoming expensive? this price is being passed on to consumers. ok, but a lot, but what's really cause is this started during the enron revolution. the total deregulation and free floating a wholesale price is derivative, markets were introduced for energy spec. the speculation industry was basically opened up. and although enron collapsed and people were arrested,
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charges were brought, the system still remains. so it's, you can manipulate the energy market, then you add to this, the price of gas, because if russia was allowed to supply via the north stream to buy other pipeline project, it would help to stabilize the spot price. and so they're blue. now they're blaming russia. use including of weapon ising energy is just if some believable, so russia just wants to be a good partner to europe, provide constant cheap and stable, natural gas. and marcus, the amazing thing is, i mean, i've been following the russian energy market for 2 years. i mean, a long, long time. and one thing that they've always stressed in gas from is always said, because that's the monopoly export of russia, is that they want long term contracts. they want to stay away from this speculation . and that's what it all is exactly what patrick was saying, my dear, this is a for some people, one person's crisis is a small group about,
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well the people's opportunity here. and again, the incompetence of it. ok when, when we have the, the height of the lock down in the west. ok. consumption went down. and then you know, they, they in fill up the storage units. and then when they walk down starting to come to an end, there was a surgeon in demand. and while they are doing that same, they should have been refilling the storage units, but they weren't. ok, i mean just incompetent. i mean, i don't even work in that industry and i know that go ahead mark. firstly, in the u. k. energy prices rise year on year. not because of graphs. it not because of a supposed energy crisis, but because energy, electricity and gas in britain is privatized. secondly, britain has relied to extensively on liquefied natural gas. and for the british government should have put politics aside and should have emulated the agreements
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which germany reach with russia by which germany will receive a constant and uninterrupted flow of natural gas, which is crucial to the german industry and crucial to german domestic households. pizza, i want to share a story review, patrick and our viewers. recently i embarked on a journey from london to pembroke shire. that is a long distance and i stopped at numerous places along the way. at no time did i see food shortage at no time did i see an energy shortage. but i took it upon myself to speak with employees at petrol stations from london to penn, berkshire. and in supermarkets, from london to pembroke shire. every single employee told me that is no food shortage. there is no energy shortage or say, what has caused some problems regarding items of foods in supermarkets
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and almost an overnight demand on petrol and diesel. won't panic by in here. what we have seen. pizza in griffin is a british mainstream major a few weeks ago, put out an on cooperated story to say about britain was short of petrol and diesel. and the british pico again without thinking independent labor about forensic thinking. critically having this absolute faith in what mainstream major tells them they went out, they didn't just fill up their cars, they filled out jeremy cans. they filled up a plastic bin liners with pencil and diesel, and that was a very short term shortage. but there is no energy crisis site in the united kingdom. so that leads me on to discussing why is mainstream
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major legend that why british ministers, a legend, i believe part of the reason is to distract the british public from some very serious changes which are being imposed in british society. fraser fee, what is known as cov $19.00, and i believe it is also a novel way of justifying the increase in electricity and gas by saying it has anything to do with privatization. it has everything to do with russia, so i believe that there is more so this story of an energy crisis in britain than meets the eye. you know, patrick, also when it is i think are dangerous for the average consumer. is that in a way this narrative give me turned in to see how see how incompetent carbon fuel is we really have to we have to make that final bowls. ok over, you know,
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to the green economy here, which of course for the people that are subscribed to that all, that might be all nice and fine. maybe they have solar panels already. but i mean there's more time and effort putting in being put into 202-420-3420. 44. what about this this, this, this winter? ok, these are incompetent. the the think about unicorns all the time and the rest of us pay the price for it. go ahead. yeah. so when there, when there is a spike in wholesale prices, it hurts the retail providers of energy. so it's, this is knocked out all of the smaller providers, the ones the government entice to get into the market for years. and so you're left with the big players. and if the big players can then go and complain to the government, ask for what a bail out. so i wouldn't be surprised if we see that. and so this is a consolidation of markets. this is what we've seen since the beginning of the cove in 1000 crisis, globally is really
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a re consolidation of finance. so power and the concentration of financial power into fewer and fewer hands. and so if you look at the great reset directive, the book ca, schwab's own book, want they want to reduce air travel. they want to make fossil fuels are no longer economically viable. they want to reduce consumption of beef and pork. now we have the pork price crisis in the u. k as well. they don't have enough average wire workers in butchers to kill all the pigs, so they need to slaughter the pigs a cashless society. that's also an important feature. central bank, digital currencies, block chain currencies. this is now being talked about by re, she's an act the chancellor checker and the bank of england more often now is so that is the scene as a fait accompli eliminating suburban life and moving people into more concentrated city dwellings and so forth. so, and stakeholder capitalism putting the values of stakeholders ahead of,
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of profit. so fundamentally transforming the what the free market economy or the crony capitalist economy, whichever way you want to describe it. so all of these take all these boxes, one by one. and so, and it's interesting how this overlaps this d, d and d fossil fuel is ation. dean destroys ation, energy intensive, un sustainable development cost for 2030. this does overlap somewhat with your politics because this also seems to keep russia out of the european market. and it's funny that they're the u. s. and the britain are egging on you to, to keep sanctions on russia. they've been doing this for years and years. and russia just became the number 2 oil and petroleum in puerto, into the united states. just in september. they just passed mexico only buying canada now. so i mean, where is the outrage from the, from the democrats and by the ministry with money where the outreach just be,
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think i'll wait to kennedy of their planning and having the opposite effect. and certainly the law by getting comes into play here. i mean there are some, there are many things that people want to want to tinker with and, you know, find, but when it comes to energy and i don't want them tinkering within here as well. i mean, pointers to mark as me and me know crisis is being wasted here. is it okay? everything? good. i think we have the supply chain or the quote energy prices and proven they're all they all co mingle. go ahead. i think it's irrefutable pizza bucks. a great transformation is occurring in the west, principally in america, canada, australia, britain and a new zealand. and it's no coincidence that sucks and i know none of it is good. i say it's no coincidence that they are,
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but those are the anglo saxon countries of the world. we know that when something happens in britain and america very, very quickly transformed to the rest of the world. and i believe that this transformation is very, very sinister. and in fact, i was going to say it's a very hideous transformation. the problem is fact in america and imprison the democratic republican, conservative and labor, all 2 sides of the same coin. they are policies by act, in their, in their own interest, not in the interest of the ordinary as woman. and they are also important in that by then knowledge that the average person in america and in britain is more interested in what is happening on that television. and what is happening in, in their local communities, in their societies as a large and when you have distracted extent,
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when you have broken down that capacity to think for themselves and you want a run out of them, i guess in london implement. when i think of yours for watching is here, are you see an ex i'm remember? ah, with when i see black america with i was growing, you know, like america spoke to me. why destroyed, you did not have to say black lives matter is a movement. we are importing from america. no, nothing of who we are. i lived in a world where wide lives mattered. and i was not wide like mm. and i wasn't new from black america. i learned how to speak back to white.
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aboriginal people here more every day. with the police were out with i'm scared that more children are going to grow up in the country that think says no racism, but they're more likely to end up in the criminal justice system. then there are other hello friends in daycare. ah bill. oh, now it shows seemed wrong when old rules just don't hold any new rules. yes, to shape out disdain, to come to the african and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look so common ground. ah,
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russia set to suspend its permanent mission to nato from next month. the move is a direct response to the military alliance recently, kicking out 8 russian diplomats ready for action. russia fills one section of the north stream to gas pipeline with natural gas and awaits the green light from regulators to start supplying europe. that's as the commissioner warns energy, poverty throughout the continent is on the rise, tortured and jailed for 17 years without trial. we explore the case of pakistani national, who still in guantanamo bay, despite being cleared for relief after it emerged he'd been mistaken for a terrorist and.


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