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editor and founder of the 21st century wire dot com or a gentleman, cross talk rules and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i was shaded out with, with marcus, ever since the chaotic withdrawal from who in the, in the western world, particularly in the washington foreign policy. so there's been a lot of discussion what, what is next year and actually what is actually happened and is happening because on the one hand you have many saying, and this is the subtext is a reason to go back in is that the taliban are in, meet with isis and al qaeda and all of this. and then there's another narrative out there that the visually it was very chaotic but policy wise, there may be some kind of underlying attempt to engage the taliban. it's some kind of barrier and even possible ally in, in the region when it comes to american foreign policy. it's really there's
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a lot of emotion attached to this. okay, honey, you see, and because there's one thing that you can't deny, a lot of military equipment was left behind during the civil war which raged from 996 to 2001. it approximately took the taliban that then one year so emerged triumphant in the country. and yet in 2021. despite the presence of the u. s. military in africa, on so gamma way of the after an army which was trained and abundantly equipped by washington, it took the taliban a matter of weeks to conquer the whole of the country. now, any one we've just an ounce of enlightenment about military affairs will concludes that it will simply inconceivable for the taliban on their own.
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so conquered afghanistan, a country exceptionally large, exceptionally diverse. and with the american military presence, that is why pizza leading up to the taliban. victory in our kind of stone. and on the day they entered, oh, i stood almost alone on television by saying that i believe the west america. and also britain arrived at an informal agreement with the taliban, where by the americans and the british would allow the taliban to emerge victorious . so long ask on his tongue and in return the taliban would have to ensure about american america and britain retained that strategic influence in afghanistan and what we have seen since. in fact, what we saw within days of the kind of an entry into campbell was maintained
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between the taliban and the director of the meetings between the taliban and the heads of britons from an intelligent service. yes, more commonly known as m i 6. we have also seen the taliban guarantee in public the security of western pipelines in afghanistan. and we have also seen western mainstream major both in america and in britain begin the process of condition in the american. i'm british people to see in to see in the taliban as a ally against isis because the americans and the british mainstream. major outlets are starting to tell people about the taliban and the taliban from the 1990 and the 2 thousands they had reformed. be from pledge to observe and respect
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human rights. so when i believe page says that the americans and the british are very much in afghanistan, they do not need an army occupation to control afghanistan. they have simply, i write that an informal agreement teller and, and they control key institutions in afghanistan, such as the civil service. and i believe that sooner rather than later, washington and london willis will formalize informal relations for the taliban. by reopen in the embassies in i just need to jump in in there because you could also make the argument in the, in, in what we just heard can be true. but it can also be true that the taliban are, are playing the field. of course you have they, they've met with the russians. the russians went with them before, even though the taliban is designated by russia as a terrorist organization on china. his chimed in as well. so it looks like the
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great game in this. it's the 21st century version of here, because i would agree with marcus that the u. s. wants to can maintain at least some form of influence there because it's the, the taliban is reaching out to others. and we have to remind everyone part of the trump deal was that our groups like al qaeda and isis will had to be had to be under control. meaning they wouldn't be using afghanistan as a base for foreign endeavors here. so there's a lot of mixed commentary. again, it's because of the emotional shock for so many people that were so best in the war and they're going to go get a pedal that narrative. so i think things are in flux here, but remember, patrick, react to what marcus had to say was very interesting. yeah. you could say or comment on what continue it, marcus, this point. i think you can go off to the segue, but it, when the early ninety's,
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when the taliban took power, it was, it was, you know, a lot of people in the west don't realize that a lot of people in afghanistan at that time saw them is the lesser of 2 evils, because all these warlords, northern alliance types that the u. s. had backed later post 911. they were responsible and known throughout afghanistan for committing grave atrocities. and so when they were, when the taliban came to power, even by the women of, of afghanistan were seen as a lesser of 2 evils. so it wasn't as black and white it because the afghan war is portrayed as a women's rights issue. in the west, i mean that was the sort of overriding narrative right through everything justified that the intervention and that's how it played out anyway, in terms of the liberal press and so forth with the reality is much more complicated. and the point marcus was making about the u. s. strategic interests. so the question is, what are those strategic interests?
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and yes, you have the tapi, the torque menaced an afghan pakistan india pipeline. that's definitely a western interest. why is that a western interest? because that's in direct competition with the c pack of chinese pakistan energy corridor, which is part of the belton road initiative. so these are competing supply lines. india is, is a big set piece in western geopolitical hedge money terms. and so who can win india and also cut off china to derive china. i mean the u. s. it's known the u . s. are backing belushi militants, and they're attacking some of these very areas, including your, the water port of water in pakistan. you have the militants in my and more you have the stable in there. that's another route. china needs these overland routes to bypass any potential disruption in the south china sea august. and the sort of the
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things that we're looking at that could take place in the future in terms of disrupting shipping lanes and so forth. so china has a very diverse strategy, and one of the main step pieces also is shing john, western china. and there was a z, a isis, the emergence of isis k is. if you look back at the history of this so called terrorists group, ok that did just re branded entices k was the course and group in 2013 or no, sorry, 20142015. this was a term coined by the u. s. intelligence. when james clapper was in charge, this is an obama administration, in my opinion, and, and probably many others who looked at this closely. it's a kind of a construct the course and group, and it is a pedigree through it. i'm so sorry. i'll cut in the raping the peninsula the underwear bomber. it runs right through this bit of classic and intelligence,
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clandestine and terrorist construction that the u. s. or they've just basically revived it and all the sudden suicide bomb attacks. and after the pull out in afghanistan, so what is the nicest fraction doing in afghanistan, but playing a disruptive role, you just had all the wiggers as escaping from prison, magically after the u. s. withdrew you have all these other isis militants who were somehow simultaneously escaped from prison? i'm sure there they had assistance in that. so that's the major jihad jailbreak that you saw right before the emergence of isis in july of 2014. so i see of this repeating pattern that's forming right now. and so the, like you said, the u. s. doesn't need to be in afghanistan, militarily, like marcus said, and they, there's other things that they can do to direct the affairs in the region. it sounds like mark, as it sounds like to me is that, you know, in western historical conference we go from this state to this day here at any
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given what we've already said here on our program, is it, this is just the continuation of the civil war just in a different direction with different people with different names because it sounds like this is what's going on right here. go ahead. yes, i also believe that history teaches us that the americans and the british only withdraw from a country or strategic value to them. if they have been militarily defeated in that country and the americans and the british will not militarily defeated in afghanistan, it is true the americans and the british. whenever able to militarily inflict at the fates on the taliban. but at the same time, the taliban were never able to defeat the americans and the british marcus, also another failure is that the us was never able to legitimize their proxy government in the eyes of the population. that was
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a very key thing. and i think fundamentally, that is the reason why they decided to be okay, because there was nothing you could do to legitimize that government was just corrupt to the core. keep going in days. and if we have a look at the casualties which the american british military's incur song but losses, we're. busy all most negligible. so that is why it comes back to my assertion which i have been putting out for some months now that the americans and the british had no reason to leave afghanistan. ask and his phone is of immense strategic value to both washington and london as it was to the british empire in the 19th in the 19th century. so that is why i believe we will see through the americans and the british russian national security through central asia because of central asia is also to speak through the taliban,
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the americans and the british. we'll continue to try and stabilize shine, which is of course, a restless muslim province in china. and also a free to tell the americans in the british will be able to limit iran's influence in the region. a lot more to talk about when it comes up in the future, going to a short break. and after that your break. we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with it's been decade since the fall of spain's fascist regime. but old wound still haven't hailed your intention going into them. i'm just waiting for this because on the phone with nickel freedom. okay. give me
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a bowl said cutting me in the parentheses. me notice that i just, i think with thousands of newborn babies. what toned from their mothers and given away and forced adoption? they don't really bought about. i used to yell for faster than my old robot is ophelia elements. it to this day, mothers still search for grown children, while adults look in hope for their birth parents. well the pandemic, no, certainly no board is a tease. and you farish as a merge we don't have a therapy. we don't have a vaccine whole world leaves to take action and be ready to go. people are judgment. 2 common crisis with we can do better, we should be doing better. everyone is contributing each in their own way. but we
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also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is great, the response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together with badges, financial survival guy. when customers go buy, you reduce the l, reduce a lower that's under cutting, but what's good for food market? good for the global economy. ah, welcome back to cross are all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real issues. ah
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ok, let's change gears here. patrick. the western world. busy world in general is experiencing a quote unquote energy crisis here. in many ways, for me, i certainly can. consumers are feeling a shortage high prices. there's no denying, but the cost of a, well, that's a different issue altogether. and i sum it up with this 2 ideas, ranking competence and ideology. i'll explain later. go ahead. yeah. so you know, it's funny how the press has reported this, this energy shock, price shock. and it's, it's seen as like some active nature. it's just some organic event that just happened and we all have to deal with this surgeon, record search and wholesale energy prices. and the reality is that this isn't an organic act of god. this is a direct result of government policies,
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specific policy decisions made by the governments of europe made by great britain made by the united states and other g 7 countries included. ok. so there are there the willingness to go along with this green new deal, or ideologically mainly, ideologically driven direct. and we saw the results of it last winter in germany when the wind turbines froze. when there was no solar power, when they couldn't meet their, they slowed demand. what did they do? they fired up the same thing in texas. yes, they fired up the coal plants. so now what do you see? you see a coals. ready coming back now they have to do this again. what's happened to the price of coal? it's searched. what does that mean? they need to buy carbon credits or a carbon offsets to the carbon markets or booming because of a restriction in supply to the energy market. so what's the result of this? a fossil fuels becoming expensive? this price has been passed on to consumers. ok, but a lot,
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but what's really cause this did this started during the enron revolution. the total deregulation and free floating of wholesale price is derivative, markets were introduced for energy spec. the speculation industry was basically opened up. and although enron collapsed and people were arrested and charges were brought, the system still remains. so it's, you can manipulate the energy market, then you add to this, the price of, of gas. because if russia was allowed to supply via the north stream to buy other pipeline project, it would help to stabilize the spot price. and so they're blue. now they're blaming russia. use including of weapon ising energy is just if some believable, so russia just wants to be a good partner to europe, provide constant cheap and stable, natural gas, and marcus in the amazing thing. and i mean, i've been following the russian energy markets for 2 years. i mean a long,
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long time. and one thing that they've always stressed in gas from is always said, because that's the monopoly export of russia, is that they want long term contracts. they want to stay away from this speculation and that's what it all is exactly what patrick was saying here. this is a for some people, one person's crisis is a small group about the people's opportunity here. and again, the incompetence of it. ok, we, when we have the, the height of the lock down in the west, okay, now the consumption went down and then, you know, they, they in fill up the storage unit and then when they lock down starting to come to an end. and there was a surgeon in demand, and while they are doing the same time, they should have been refilling the storage units, but they weren't. ok, i mean just incompetent. i mean, i don't even work in that industry and i know that go ahead mark. firstly, in the u. k. energy prices rise year on year, not because of graphs. it not because of a supposed energy crisis,
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but because energy, electricity and gas in britain is privatized. secondly, britain has relied to extensively on liquefied natural gas. and thirdly, the british government should have put politics aside and should have emulated the agreements which germany reached with russia by which germany will receive a constant and uninterrupted flow of natural gas, which is crucial to the german industry and crucial to german domestic households. but peter, i want to share a story review, patrick and our viewers. recently i embarked on a journey from london to pembroke shire. that is a long distance and i stopped at numerous places along the way. at no time did i see food shortage, and no time did i see an energy shortage. but i took it upon myself to speak with
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employees. i petrol stations from london to pembroke, shire, and in supermarkets from london to pembroke shire. every single employee told me that is no food shortage. there is no energy shortage or say what has caused some problems regarding items of foods in supermarkets and are almost an overnight demand on petrol and diesel was panic by in here what we have seen pizza in griffin is british mainstream major a few weeks ago, put out an on cooperated story to say about britain was short of petrol and diesel. and the british people, again, without thinking independently about forensic thinking. critically having this absolute faith in what mainstream major tells them they went out, they didn't just fill up their cars, they filled up jerry cans. they filled up plastic bin liners with petrol and
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diesel. and that caused a very short term shortage. but there is no energy crisis, her se, in the united kingdom. so that leads me on to discussing why is mainstream major alleging that why british ministers legina, i believe part of the reason is to distract the british public from some very serious changes which are being imposed in british society. fraser v. what is known as cov 19, and i believe it is also a novel way of justifying the increase in electricity and gas by saying it has been anything to do with privatization. it has everything to do with russia. so i believe that there is more so this story of an energy crisis in britain than meets
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the eye. you know, patrick, also when it is, i think a dangerous for the average consumer is that in a way this narrative give me turned in to see how see how incompetent carbon fuel is we really have we have to make that final both. ok over, you know, to the green economy here, which of course, for the people that i subscribe to, that all, that might be all nice and fine. maybe they have solar panels already. but i mean, there's more time and effort putting in being put into 202-420-3420. 44. what about this this, this, this winter? ok, these are incompetent. people the, the think about unicorns all the time, and the rest of us pay the price for it. go ahead. yeah. so when there, when there is a spike in wholesale prices, it hurts the retail providers of energy. so it's, this is knocked out all of the smaller providers,
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the ones the government entice to get into the market for years. and so you're left with the big players. and then the big players can then go and complain to the government, ask for what a bailout. so i wouldn't be surprised if we see that. and so this is a consolidation of markets. this is what we've seen since the beginning of the coven. $1000.00 crisis, globally is really a re consolidation of finance. so power and the concentration of financial power into fewer and fewer hands. and so if you look at the great reset directive, the book ca, schwab's own book, want they want to reduce air travel. they want to make fossil fuels are no longer economically viable. they want to reduce consumption of beef and pork. now we have the pork price crisis in the u. k as well. they don't have enough added to our workers and butcher's to kill all the pigs, so they need to slaughter the pigs. a cashless society. that's also an important
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feature. central bank, digital currencies, block chain currencies. this is now being talked about by re she's soon act the chancellor checker and the bank of england more often now is so that this is seen as a fait accompli eliminating suburban life and moving people into more concentrated city dwellings and so forth. so, and stakeholder capitalism putting the values of stakeholders ahead of, of pro, so fundamentally transforming the what, what the free market economy or the crony capitalist economy, whichever way you want to describe it. so all of these take all of these boxes one by one. and so it's interesting how this overlaps this d d and the fossil fuel is ation the industrialization, energy intensive, un sustainable development cost for 2030. this does overlap somewhat with your politics because this also seems to keep russia out of the european market. it is funny that there the u. s. and the britain are egging on you to,
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to keep sanctions on russia. they've been doing this for years and years. and russia just became the number 2 oil and petroleum in puerto, into the united states. just in september. they just passed mexico only buying canada now. so i mean, where is the outrage from the, from the democrats and by the ministry with the outreach. just be like a wait kennedy of their planning and having the opposite effect. and certainly the law about getting comes into play here. i mean, there are some, there are many things that people wanted to want to tinker with and you know, fine, but when it comes to energy and i don't want them tinkering within here as well. i mean, why does the market meet me know, crisis is being left wasted here. is it okay? everything? good. i think where we have the supply chain or the quote unquote energy prices. cobit, they're all, they all co mingle, go ahead. i think it's irrefutable pizza bucks. a great transformation
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is occurring in the west, principally in america, canada, australia, britson, and you said, and then it's no coincidence that sucks and come yeah, no, none of it is good. i say it's no coincidence that those are the anglo saxon countries of the world. we know that when something happened, america very, very quickly transformed to the rest of the world. and i believe that this transformation is very, very soon. and in fact, i would go as far as to say, it's a very hideous transformation. the problem is that in america and in britain, the democratic republican, conservative and labor, all 2 sides of the same coin, they are, they act in that, in their own interest in the interest of the ordinary woman. and they are also
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important in that by then knowledge that the average person in america is more interested in what is happening on that television. and what is happening in, in that local communities in societies as a large and when you have distracted extent, when you have broken down that capacity to think for themselves. and you will run out of, i guess, unemployment or i think we're still watching is here. are you next? i'm remember. ah, when i see black and i was growing, you know like america spoke to me. why destroyed it? did not say black lives matter is a movement,
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we are importing from america. no, nothing. i lived in a world where white lives mattered. and i was not was like mission. and i wasn't new from black america. i learned how to speak back to one regional people here every day will be the place where out more when she speaks, i'm scared that more children are going to grow up in the country that think says no racism, but they're more likely to end up in the criminal justice system, then they're all the fellow friends in daycare, a raw when i was just a safe out the scene because of the advocate and
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engagement. it was the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look so common ground. oh is your media a reflection of reality? in a world transformed what will make you feel safe? isolation, whole community? are you going the right way or are you being led somewhere? direct. what is true? what is great? in the world corrupted, you need to descend a join us in the depths or remain in the
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shallows. ah, our top story, this, our russia and months is it's to suspend a work bill bits permanent, mission, 10, nato in brussels from november. first, the measure is a response to nato's decision earlier this month to expel 8 russian different mugs . my reaction, i'll not coming up in moments. also ahead, ready for action. russia fills one section of the nord stream to pipeline with natural gas and awaits the final green light from regulators to start supplying europe. as the commissioner warns energy, poverty on the continent is set to rise, tortured and jailed for 17 years without trial. we explore the case of pakistani national, who still in guantanamo despite being cleared for release after it emerged he'd
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