tv Cross Talk RT October 11, 2021 9:30am-10:01am EDT
to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, jordan send you elleon, budapest. he's a podcast to read the goggles can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, him to me 3, bob and she's a political analyst and editor. it knows me internet media project originally across up rules and the fact that means you can jump in and tell me one, and i would appreciate it. it's got to do my 1st year. we had the nobel peace prize awarded. i went to a filipino and russian journalist who is this russian journalist and why give it to a journalist and does he have anything to do with anti war go head demon. well, is just amazing what crap under because, you know, it was clear that the west wanted to provoke the ground and into being angry. you know, because really what we're out of there you are in chief. oh and use paper which is called nowhere guys. yet that which is not simply critical, or jim, which is paranoid about, you know, ah, in that use paper, they publish stories out,
you know, we can be stable news fortunate in $99.00. when are these women were controlled, been changed? now grew up several apartment building in moscow. so no one has yet to claim that it was the russian secret services. who did it, and surprisingly, you know, the, the criminal reaction was civilized because i'm sorry to say it. russia is a pluralistic country, the prison spokesman committee, pasco said, we congratulate me, jim. rather, he has been consistently working according to his ideals. he is stone and he is brave. of course, this is a high appreciation of his walk. we congratulate. you know, i walked with me, tim rather for 3 years and i know that he personally is an honest man. she truly believes in liberal ideas. and the he support at your danes can't you supported gorbachev? you know amazing that there will be 2 normal peace prize morris. you norway, g as yet. which is why am i too much something?
i mean, don't tell us what is the readership of them? is that the, is it popular? is it with, with a certain nice of people i am aware of it. i've known some of the journalists through the years though, we don't really us in our circles. go ahead. well, this is a newspaper which is a, basically for paranoid people, you know, people who always suspect the was to, there are such people in every country in the united states. you call them conspiracy theorists in russia would have no lack of them. ah, but what was amazing was the reaction of the so called russian liberals. you know, they were extremely unclaimed that the price you go on of only actually of the credit and was, was much more positive about we're out of if you're in there clemons from the liberal position, it looks like it was a slip in the face for them and norfolk, which no, figueroa ruled on its readers comb. oh, this price is going to be a stipend. the face for we can both the brought him is that these people he with the new bent the triology. it wouldn't have been some kind of data. greg stolen
ever use it for the creature sizes that will have been slept in the face and here wouldn't just turned another cheek the slap went by. and in this amazing what the, how, who them, how aggressive these are the liberals are there is a certain woodrum on them, a full my tv come and date. and by the way, cool, a, basically a role in her reaction. well, the nobel peace prize committee, or just the soiled expanse and didn't give it to pneumonia, it's good that it went through. it's bad, it didn't go to nevada, and then another liberal curious rogue of explained why the problem is that nov own you made some political incorrect statements and the key rogue of rights in the modern west, you can be a nation, is just once you can make a mistake once. well, what kind of toner and societies that if people are not allowed to have me stakes
of you, you know, if everything you said 30 years ago can be used against your this is what silence lasonya union will like and all right. and the, the amazing been is that basically, ah, the russian so called propagandists actually congratulate that more out of to what im or so your was demonized in the west s hooton's number of on a fight against the liberals. he said this is good. what? yes, no, only deep make statements. let me paper. he stayed this week. so it's good that this price went to the idealist, liberal murat of doesn't understand the life, but he didn't go to a fascist they. oh no, no, i don't have a problem with the you know, who gets said ok, but george biking go to you. what does this have to do with piece and being against war? i mean i'm, i'm completely mystified. i mean, even for those people, those small number of people to think of only said get it for the peace prize. when
does he have to do with peace? go ahead a there today, george. this home is obese, prizes just meaningless when it comes to its objective. italy to my can, you know, has i because the, the objective of the peace prize from the beginning had been to a war to this, to people who did something to promote peace, to promote our committee among nations, to promote peace conferences, peace negotiations, the signing of the street is or in the it originally it did go to such people. so, you know, we have teddy roosevelt. he received the nobel peace prize for bringing about the peace agreement between russian, japan pal in the war. in 1005. we had their woodrow wilson because of his work, the was the league of nations and we had the architects of the look on a tree which brought about a brief that of time. people who would be more. busy long lasting,
the brief reconciliation between france and germany after world war one. we had our kellogg long who created the famous calibree on treaty that when nations renounced war as a means of policy. so you know that there were clear examples of getting this award to people who actually working for peace, but it's hard to see whether you know, whether it's not falling in a completely so all. busy right, so what they end up to piece because on the contrary, the reason they gave it to morocco was wow, booting wouldn't be happy and we want to stick a some in the i put in. and that's why he received it. and that's why the many people in the west sharing this all because a this is bad. 3 for russia, therefore, it must be great. but what does he go to do with piece? i mean what, what is no way to get it done for, to promote peace of those? he happens and the same thing goes with the rest of the journalist and in the
philippines on a very, i'm popular with the liberal west of opinion. when again, it's a in the i a gave him and she, she receives money from the u. s. government, which again love in the business of promoting peace and they give them money, not because they want her to promote peace. so it's just again, this is the number of these places just become this political tool. and we have just not doing what it's supposed to be doing, you know, the demand that is the reaction i'm seeing here. we're both in mosque out here is that, well, i mean, the western liberals like russian liberals, that's why they give it to the number gazette. ok. but that just confirms to the population here is that, is that these, these at least a piece price is biased. it's a political cudgel, because the reaction here is, is basically okay. they choose their winners. ok,
but it has nothing to do with. there are so called values. go ahead mean. well, the reaction among the population is certainly more negative than the reaction from the crap because we have to use lawrence in russia who are widely known. the 3rd one is an ecologist, but we have one which often become run. gorbachev in the minds of many people is associated with the collapse of the soviet union, which was a terrible misfortune for medius of people. but much of a was blame, simple novice and morocco who has were much of his motto, the shareholders in she's newspaper. of course it, cleats, him, but people remember and people remember that more work as it always supported the islamist rebels in chechnya. not chance, you know, there are many honest, the sliding changes who, who are successful in russia. ah, we're just, you know, we have no problem with them. but we had problem with the people like must have and the western press no way because it kept saying that my son was some college
peacemaker. but it all fits elijah context. i mean, the normal piece price could be to who this is a mixture of subservience and radicalism. who yes, the by says, i'll go for a slide show about global warming obama before he started all of his wars. so this is, you know, they talk about which in spouse it looks like it said, clinton, spouse and obama, spouse could get the door, will be surprised. l more you know, the brock of now and the, and the on the, on the site where there are change it is for this year. my good won't travel vocalization if there is an international organization with which many people have a problem, you know, in the united states, in europe, in rush, oh the, well, that is the world health organization. but these people that are treated liberals, you know, they don't care about public opinion. they want to award someone who fits their
ideology and these, that person happens to be close to powers that be in the united states or in europe . so much the better that's there and if you and people on the standard, not wanting rush it. george, it's a, it's a real pity it's gotten down to this. okay. because i can think of a candidate. let me think real hard here. oh julian, a sorry, i think that would be a person that would be very deserving of this. and it would be the slap in the face would go somewhere else of the country that he's being held in the u. k. and the united states that are seeking in his expedition, you know, that would send a signal that the nobel peace prize has meaning because he expose war crimes. i don't think any of these other people that have been, you know, a given the laureate, have done in nearly as much positive of change than chilliness. aren't your thoughts? yes. he expose war crimes as well. he has had an enormous of public impact because people are able to witness to himself these war crimes. ah,
therefore he's in the business of, you know, doing something to facilitate peace. so even in the no, no committee had not wanted to provoke the united states in the u. k. by giving it exclusively julian, the son of at least shed it out even just 3 of them, including the julian, the son didn't even do that. and here is this person who really has sacrificed his life. i mean, it's so much more than any of the people that they give these prizes though they didn't, they didn't do so it's all in an interesting consideration. why didn't they give it to holland? and i think that they probably were feeling that this is going to be an embarrassment. but i'm because, i mean many people would have had a few date being all sorts of any back embarrassing quotes from them. and indeed them is. the nobel committee has had these embarrassing moments in the past where they are all of this price to someone. and then 2 years later,
he suddenly the villain of the piece. we remember the e. c o, b, and leader. now, absolutely hate to revile, boston, you know, somebody that samantha power 20 warranty ethiopia, very same guy who was received the past 2 years ago. and then of course we had the, the leader of beyond mot now use the genocide and so on. so it, it's, it's a kind of an embarrassment avoid more, i think, i think, you know, higher the, the price it misses the mark you. all right gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break and that's about, we'll continue our discussion on some real. oh ah, when i see a richard spoke to
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okay, let's go back to budapest, george and in the aftermath of briggs it, it seems brussel was a brussels, has found some new enemies within the ranks. ok. and those 2 countries are poland and hungary. you're in hungry right now. why is somebody being so demonized by the you? and then i'll ask him of the same for poland. go ahead where the hungary and poland are both explicitly subscribing to values very much at odds with the values of the e. u leadership. not the same of the people of the, you know, i mean, because people, you know, french, many conservative people. but the values that they should, they promoted by big or by and the government in poland are definitely conservative. and also with the kind of both the cultural
inclusivity open to transgender gay marriage and so on. values that the, you know, the, on the lion can claim to be our values. if somehow, you know, those people, everyone. and so they now they target hungry on everything. so, you know, on the education system a, well, you know, no later than, than not promoting the kind of gay rights agenda the days that the a school should be promoting. and now paul and the got the so that those janet bowen wants to reform the judiciary and the you said, are you going like going against you values again, surely within the domestic view. and so now we have the polish a constitutional call that a sense that the polish constitution, trunks you law, and you have absolutely bizarre and i now threatening,
are obviously threatening to withhold all money to bowen or explicitly threatening to expel poland from the you. interesting enough polish, a constitutional court ruling less different from the german constitutional truly, which also says that the german constitution trying to you law. but you don't pick a fight with germany. you duping a fight with other than hunger. so it's a one size fits all. ok, their values from everyone else's values. ok, i guess that's the, the price with the taking of entry into the e. u. they are, we get it in the b, e, u, they dangle money and other signing things in front of you. and but the price is you have to leave your conservative values behind your history, your culture, your whole ideas, about family, all that isn't worth it. go ahead. oh, well, i agree with everything george sat and her that you repeat press. i feel so much
easier for you because if we believe the new york times say it all the time and the guardian, george isn't the needle with table dictatorship ruled by christie and all when his daughter bern. i don't know how he is still alive. token to us. the same story with bull and no payable. they have that area's free. old l g b, g i g o g. well, what a terrible problem. you know, people have been killed by ukrainian government using lanes and banks, you know, whole region of ukraine. the ukraine does not owe any food supplies there for 7 years. they cut off and they cut off the water. they don't allow people to speak russian to a salesman. you know, when they come to a shop in dia, which is a rush, must be conceded, that is all milton. what is really table is these algebra g i, g o g, i go and you re areas and born mani should. because for them, you know,
that, that has already been done as far as i know from the british press. ok, but you know, so i agree with everything you just said, but here is an important debate, i mean, catching scanned or one on gary and borders nationally. they hate to crush you the late eighties and early nights and that was fine with the you. you know, they said table earth thinks about it. that was fine. which is, it is very typical situation for our to liberals, you know, to lay your out really gross. all the surface they are for understanding between people's own migration, mixed marriages as well. they fight large contest which other aliens, such as china and russia. now they look for minorities, they look for discontent, neighbors, and suddenly these out liberals ally themselves to albany. nancy's emma, these minorities and these discontent. a neighbors you know, the and let me just remind you, they used gratian, fascist, again serves. in yugoslavia they used ukrainian nationalists against
a russian speaking about population in ukraine. they use now we go muslim fontanello this against china. so that the problem with her orbit and kuchinski is that they didn't change and the front line moved east, so they're no longer needed. you know, this is now the ukranian nationalist who can claim all absurd things in the you will forgive them everything. poland is now in the rear guard. it's far away from the battle. so suddenly they use creaking down on nationalist the been support against russia in the ninety's and the early in the late eighty's and, and purchase. it just doesn't understand it. okay. or when a smart, you understood that bird is, is going to be against you, that chance he pretends to be, you know, innocent. oh, europe that we wanted to join is not europe that way that we have no,
we wanted to join a reach, go a community of christian nations. we joined a bunch of crazy alternate. ringback ros. yes, you need. yes. yes. well sure. will george seek? this is, this is what terrifies brussels be that there are people within the european union far, far more than brussels is willing to admit that actually can have conservative values and don't have the values of this unelected bureaucracy than rules over the u. okay . and what they're terrified of is it, oh my goodness. oh, and hungry they might start resembling russia. oh, the horror of it, after all the money and decades of work in it, we're not getting what we what we demanded. ok. i mean, they're angry about it that way, you know, because you can only go one way in history. there's only one direction, one arc of history. this is what they truly believe. and that's why, for me, it's pathetic. is it going to take the money away from you?
yeah, that's what it's all about. that's all you're transactional, ok, you're just transactional. you're really not. you're really not about value at all . go ahead. i. 5 exaggerate and it's very funny what are the we're just going to down because we will remember back in the late 19 seventy's and early. busy $1008.00 is when there was a catholic, poke a polish, go who visited poland, and all spelled out on an east and west. i'm amazed. oh, isn't this wonderful? the polls their own catholics and this, you know, they all hail is great man. like leading them in the anti communist direction and now something they find g, the bowls a catalyst, you know, what do you know? we don't know that they have strong views and they have strong use about gay marriage and strong use about family we. we don't like that, you know, forget all,
well, that it was all very useful back then. but now i out of, so with what, you know, the, the, so the e, you, your leadership of beliefs are european values. but of course, you know, these are the european barriers. he's got the self appointed, the lead that the of the course of it. but you're being very, but here you have the problem. the pawn has been to the hungry doesn't have, which is a bond, doesn't have that many options on re realize a long time ago that they can't really rely on the way you. otherwise, they're always going to be bullied and go up and have the fonts cut off. so on the rate is looking around in the world and says, hey, we have a business partner in russia. we can, we can have a natural gas provided to us by russia where business partner, china. so, you know, the, you can often often threaten us, but they can't do much for us because,
you know, there's a wider world outside and where we can get rich. poland hasn't done that a who owns cultivated bad relations with russia, so it doesn't quite have the leverage that hungry. and it's interesting to, you know, you know, european bound values come from people ok doesn't come from organizations. and it doesn't come from your receipts here, and i am very glad that poland is standing up. but, and it's fair because these people are merciless. this ideology is merciless in one size fits all, it's our way or the highway. so what's next for poland and probably what's next for 100. what's next is more sanctions. what's next is more pressure, but you will be pointing the civic platform that the eagle loyal party involvement, which has more several actions on the you will be supporting them for the next election. they will try to get the jokes as the president of poland. probably if
they try to out do though, they failed, they will try again. and of course, there will be conspiracy theorist about connections, connections between orbit and moscow. and what is even more variable different kuchinski small school, which is just a mad you know, but, you know, just recently after this year we had 5 years of brushy gate. i'm ready, i'm ready for us as the freshest and the most absurd conspiracy theory is now that made you more out of what is a normal piece brycer. you know, now you can read in that on the liberal science, you're in russia that he's a deeply seated, wouldn't agent. so putting has been in contact with heal sin sir the year, 2000, all of which is on the us. more suspect of roger's at this b or a boy in our partner books, so they call it pollutants, can't food, you know, some deeply can't or a secret agents. so the say where i want to hear about kuchinski, that the problem is that this very radical extremist, i know,
and you requires bad people, and that it's not ashamed of playing on the worst feelings inside humans. you know, a inclination to conspiracy theorist is, is a very, very, you know, it's human, you know, people have that inclination and, and the 3rd day and i just always use it in all way cheaper. use the biggest dues start in use that against the reach. now they're using against their political opponents. every thing that can find that is bad in human nature, you know, suspicion of the government. no suspect in every reach person over over been dishonest and been dangerous to society. put in labels your home a full, your race is you know, recording what people said in private and then a broadcast anywhere your chair you know, towards last in seconds or all these people have is just labels for people and
smears. 15 seconds later labels. but of course, they said a very bad example for everyone else because suddenly, you know, there's an election coming up in france is electric coming up in italy and they kind of look to buy, i'm hungry. i think this is a really bad. we don't want also the fun to lie and telling us what our values are supposed to be. so that's why i want to dispose of pulling it. and this program i run out of time, want to take my guess. you are still watching your are you see you next? i remember. oh ah, what else? so seem wrong. i just don't hold any world yet to sleep out disdain because the african and engagement equals the trail.
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