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the transport companies having to be brought back into public ownership and johnson having to subsidize a c o 2 company to keep beer flowing. who better to follow the money with the north, prem sicker arch critic of structures of financial regulation here in britain. thank you so much for coming back on after so long. we have 14, a half 1000000 here in poverty, including $4300000.00 children, a labor leader. they buy the leader, you turning on minimum wage or regulation buys johnson cutting 20 pounds a week from britain or 6000000 poorest as it conscious cruelty by st. armor and johnson or is in competence while i hello alicia. nice to be on your program. i think her, there are structural problems in the whole of the u. k. economy, which neither parties are willing to address. and what we are witnessing in terms of fuel shield it is food yielded, is homelessness, cuts in universal credit. that is basically how neoliberalism is playing. out,
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it is really about enriching the rich and not really doing much for the masses. and i mean, no, i know you the original bit about this. i mean say just the health care system here, the envy of the world. it used to be the national health service. here is it by stealth. they are privatizing it. and is it working this idea that, that you can cream people off into the private sector now as the n h, as seems to be failing for some in this country? well, i think it is privatization mostella and also deliberately, you know, when the conservative government came to office in 2010, the waiting list was about 2.42.5000000 in england. it is already about high point, $6000000.00 and the forecast is going to it possibly $13000000.00 by the end of next year. and the main reason for that is lack of investment. britain is unable even to trade sufficient doctors. and we've been doing what we have done for
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a long, long time. that is really poach people from other countries, deprived them of their skill labor. and the trick is not working at the moment because a lot of the migrants have left. so basically, the government should have had the facilities to train healthcare workers, but it does not have that in place. and it's not something you can come to europe overnight because the priority has been, hold the government to provide tax cuts to corporations and the rich. and now audrey, people are really just paying the price. here. what did you think of it when boys johnson? apparently in new york for the un general assembly made up with jeff bezos and said it's up to companies like amazon to pay that ex. wow. i suppose he might as well say they'll be a bucket to the rear l. the station and they're all saying, calling to pay your taxes, please. before you leave the country, companies are not going to want to voluntarily pay taxes. we need to have
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a well resource tax authority, and certainly hardly any actions been taken against the tax avoidance industry. i've been an avid or what the big for accounting firms. the epicenter of the global tax avoidance industry. do that, can you imagine you and i getting a court judgment and court says you're done something a lawful. somebody will descend upon you there will find you there will shut down some businesses that just does not happen to the excellence industry at all. no, really surprising up to a point, because there are many members of parliament who are on the payroll of these firms . in the former senior politicians have work or are currently working for these big accounting firms or so. so there is a real crisis about what you know, what is happening in our society. on paper we are told we have a government off the people for the people on it does not really appear to be for
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the people. it is only for the rich and john corporations. when you mentioned the audit companies, when the actual, the violations that have been discovered in fantasy, i know you written about it. one company grant thornton was fine. 2.34000000 pounds on, on 471000000. the income over auditing the big auditors are also part of the systemic problem. well, they're the same homes really? yeah. they've been delivering that though that's for nearly a century. nothing of the range. you know, there is any changes to collapse or lehman brothers. and when we had to close our libraries for austerity to bail out, all these banks, no change in order things, answer the bailouts. there is no 100 mental change. they have been tinkering around at the edges. that has not really done anything. the government could discipline
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them by saying, look, we won't give you any tax payer sponsored contracts. these homes have no experience in dealing with the pen there. make sure they got coded contracts running into hundreds and millions of pounds. and that is, in a sense, the real fundamental problem in this country that there are certain groups and elite who have benefited from government policies. others have not our wages. and i look at the workers wages have basically been stagnant for the next decade. meanwhile, the energy bills, the food bills, transport bells, are rising and old. repeat the la struggling. as you said earlier, 14 and a half 1000000 people live below the poverty line. and there is no discernible government plan to, to deal with that. and when, when, when you listen to the labor policies are announced to the conference this week, there is of much happening there either. we heard how the labor leader was opposed
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to 50 pound per hour minimum wage. lee alyssa, with that in perspective, even if somebody gets 15 pound there will be paying 20 percent of that in the basic, her income tax on top of the other is 12 percent in national insurance on top of that. and other 1.25 percentage point recently announced increase in the health and carroll every while. that doesn't really leave anybody very much to deal with the massive increase in food prices and energy prices or anything else. and the what boris johnson has awarded an i q pharma, has avoided, is a key word. the key word is read distribution. there is no read beach and going on . and that is a staggering in this country that even people in the whole time jobs can't come in to look after their families that don't have enough resources to pay for their
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housing, food and anything else. and that is really unacceptable. we need massive redistribution, but no political party is willing to take that all. is that because, and they'll certainly be stands for from private equity companies at the conservative body conference. this week, let alone closer ties between to kiss arms, labor party in the city of london. is that because of revolving door between the very financial services a institutions and the democratically elected parties? well, the revolving to those is one aspect. the other is, a lot of the media itself is controlled, bother very interests who want these kind of privileges. we really need a fundamental constitutional reform. for example, we need to need to deal with whether the members of parliament should really be consultants to corporate interest. many are still on the books of corporations and
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they basically do their master's bidding in parliament. that is unacceptable for them. every one of them, when i they do that, that's just a helpful donations and they can, you know, they can pursue 46 percent rise in your sales by the way the richer are doing that bad. the one of the more astonishing figures that you being quoting, it seems in opposition to what we hear from the media. you speak of that the financial services industry somehow helps the exchequer, the u. k. economy. you quote some with a 4.5 trillion pounds. in a negative contribution to the u. k. economy between 19972015. so all those tall buildings in the city of london exert a negative in on the economy during that period. well that, that is right. and that is, i'm quoting research conducted at the university of sheffield by distinguished academics. so she look at we bailed out in the banks. for example. the city of
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london is the full front of a tax avoidance industry, money laundering, industry. many of our graduates end up working in the finance industry instead of say, going to other industries which are far more productive. and a lot of the city of london is basically simply gambling by taking all these things into account. the academic colleagues, cheko university came up with that estimate that estimate has not been denied by the government. indeed, i have cited that in debates of the house of lords, challenger ministers, the denied you look at other countries that finance industry too. but it is not so dominant, i'm not against the finance industry, but what i am again says on restrain speculation and gambling was we have, we have a financial conduct authority here is
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a regulator. and in the house of lords you, you're demanding an investigation into the regulator itself. i mean, is london the most corrupt place on earth? well, our regulators are pretty ineffective. i'm and i cited the example of her hsbc in the house of lords. hsbc was find at $1900000000.00 in the us for money laundering. admitted that in writing that had been engaged in, quote, criminal conduct. and it was not investigated at the u. k, that for whatever reason, no government statement was made about this. but curiously, in the u. s. and other committee senatorial committee got interested in that. how had come that a bank is find such a massive amount. this was in 2012 and but not really prosecuted. and they then
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mounted an investigation and published a report that report contained a letter from the uke. you can chancellor together with the e mails and letters from the u. k. regulatory authorities and the bank of england urging the americans to go easy on hsbc. it was too big too high. l, too big to regulate and that is not the only example we use is it is u. k. the most corrupt we had the bank of credit and commerce international which was shut down in $991.00. it was the world's biggest banking fraud in the 20th century. to this day they all been their investigation. and i, a 45 and a half year legal battle with the u. k. government to get hold on one secret document. this is under the freedom of information. and that document showed that the bank was looted by operatives of al qaeda. saudi intelligence. there was smugglers, there were a gun runners, you name it,
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but the u. k. government has hushed up the whole thing. and we have to remember that al qaeda and taliban themselves are funded and, and by the western authorities that were trained by western r, there has been absolutely no accountability. and this particular bank, banks collapse was never really investigated. so one has to conclude that the government is nurturing these kind of darker practices, which is not helpful to the people. well, lord pepsi good. her. thank you. obviously you had parliamentary privilege. we don't have it here. all those banks deny any are wrong doing in the main and obviously, so does the financial goal is to regulate you're, you're most welcome to look at marco elementary speeches and publicly available evidence which is cited in those speeches to decide, oh, what do you want to accept labrems,
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they get thank you. after the break counter extremism will counter democracy, does the government war on terror prevents the very freedoms? it aims to protect all this more coming up in part 2 of going underground. ah, imagine picking up a future textbook on the early years of the 21st century. what are the chapters called gun violence school shootings, homelessness 1st was my job and then it was my family really was my savings. i have nothing. i have nothing and it's not like i don't try. i look for resources, i look for jobs, i look for everything i can to make this pass. and i end up doing, passing the road to the american dream, paved with dead refugees. very idealized image all over america makes americans look past the deaths to happen every single day. this is
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a modern history of the usa, my america monarchy. there is an end, again, you can only collateral eyes the same thing. so many times you can only sell the same, don't it so many times before somebody figures out that, hey, there's no, don't it here that's just the whole. and that's what's happening in america. they're trying to survive on the whole in the don't it. and they're saying, we sold this whole in the, don't it 15 times at goldman sachs and we got rich because we got paid a fee on the collateral ization of the whole and the don't it. and now that everybody else america's broke, and they don't generate enough income for us to tax, to pay down the debt that we incurred by deregulation and are in those training. going back to reagan, now they're out there and conundrum. they're like, what do we do
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ah, welcome back. as nato nations grow alarmed by the influx of refugees from defeat in afghanistan, we see another optic in mass surveillance suggests tommie labor party is already talking about utilizing video doorbell systems and the johnson government has been slammed for interfering and schools joining me now from here in london is dr. rob for walker, who has experienced the u. case, prevent counter terrorism program 1st hand and is now written the emergence of extremism exposing the violent discourse, the language of radicalization. congratulations on the book. welcome rob to the show. he written about the emergence of extremism in inverted commas. in this book, you were a school teacher. so you had 1st hand experience of this prevents strategy supported by labor and tory parties over the years. and how did it help inspire you perhaps to write this book? well yeah, thanks very much. i was, i was teaching is the same teaching in
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a lot of it. so but slower i was working in became a rent strategy in around 2015. and it seems immediately, it seems the problematic we were being brief on how to identify i young children as essential future terrorists. i mean seem madness to me. so the builder, i mean, so i was teaching as a secondary school teacher, but we got documents and examples of, you know, children and children, even us by prevents, you know, 6 or 56 i'm year olds. and it's just as a man, this is based based on the idea that sort of people's political views might act as a, as a, a useful for predict detracts violence. which is got the logic of how democracy works the wrong way around this. isn't it logic in
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a democracy it's enabling or express views that might be outside of the norm. that means they don't have to resort. so i've been writing about rent in place only all that by preventing people from speaking out. eric used to, i was my, my stream there actually making less provides more and not less likely. so those strategies certainly counterproductive. so i'm certainly, you know, the questions. i have the most recent research and, and i've been looking for a few years now. here you say in the book, it not only undermines our democracy by labeling some people extremists, but it also silencing them and into doing, denying them the opportunity to participate in debate. i mean, we were hearing that the taliban, that revolted the checking has, are a boy's mobile phones, a photo galleries e mails. that's the kind of idea. it's comparable. the data. i mean, i mean this is it's, it's a totally, despite, you know,
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and it's not really surprising. prevent mike strategies you encounter streamers, which was invented by the u. k. in the u. s. alliance has been laptop, i suppose, it regimes around glow. i mean, you can see that the office in recent years for b. b, i would encounter extremism training with the indian governments. and we've seen the treatments or medicines and yet they are also very streaming alarming. or you can go to courses where given cancer stream isn't training. so the chinese states in advance of the person in happens a weakness. and we received this in a wholesale refreshing muslims going around. well, i met late a situation that has, i mean, i, the war and sarah mentioned on hopefully find you this close in a waste time, dangerous way,
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some time costing millions of lives needlessly in made to wells a less safe place. and this rent strategies ultimately, the domestic front of the war on terror and a chinese indian government was he denied any wrong doing as we was that people can watch our interview about the week is now, you know, in 2019 the home of his home, of his work was and said, prevent, is a vital part of our counter terrorism work, which safeguards vulnerable people from being drawn into terrorism since 2012. that's, that's the british government safeguarding, you know, having been a teacher is safe going use is absolutely, i'm referring teacher and what rent a new layer of surveillance in so that relationship rent is one of the only areas that i huddle or i've repeatedly encountered professionals who claims for children and be interviewed by the police without that parents stay informed about this. so
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there is, this is, there is nothing to do with this. so it's about safeguarding the states from detention and tara, and as i say, the idea is a useful way of tracking is, is ridiculous. and i, i personally have had situations where before events existed, you would have on occasion, young was then was, and then also all of us boys had told me, is that a teacher about aspirations, for example, and start that also. and in every situation, they told me i discovered a, me as well. they learned that they can write to engage in democracy now become a democrat. i mean, i situations, none of those children ever travel ever did. and i just, i'm say, as a teacher, as a date with the state to help them become democratic citizens with prevention based
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based children. and i had chosen told me that they wouldn't have a conversation teacher because they know the teacher would be obliged lease or prevents. and it's no coincidence not to rent was introduced in the still less the next. those goals are i with the 3 goals, including she made a child again back in my experience and may well have conversations about their spreadsheet with teachers that are on stations about frustration policy, which children are now not going to say, i'm quite right on the stations because it's like you, but it results in november and at least i mean, not me. and i do actually invite him who human rights advocate say it's been denied her citizenship. i think the interesting thing about your book of taking it away from islam ism for a 2nd. then we talk about in this program
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a to learn this kind of radicalization to britain itself because historically promoted is lism, obviously in afghanistan, under the beginning. you talk about how we're the 1st time the phrase extremism was used in parliament on the 2nd of august, 919 and it was about miners and railway men. this is about class as well as it is anything to do about the war. in terra, you seem to be suggesting, well, for, there's been a historically, there's been a very, there was a big shift after the 77 bombings in 2005 on the west tourney. last started using extremism to describe the act of the bombers, which represents a dramatic shift in the british left. because before that's all the instances which are very rare, in fact, you can read all of them within one city. but all of the instances stream isn't being used in parliament, are used by the left to describe the hard left. so you will get labor and
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he's will say say to a tory and people say you need to watch out a press. the policies that you're asking, because in response to that, it will be arise and extremism that's looking at the whole left and communist. he's in the early 20th century, which will result in more left for him. and he's, and this is an interesting thing for me because what it shows is that the left wing politicians, labor politicians, did not want power. they want to political change. and so the interesting thing now and again under kissed armor we bring back lara's, is this idea versus interest policy actually moves it totally away from its roots. the leg possibly was set up as an opposition party to demand change. and so if i use the why, the last talk about the struggle is they are, it's an ongoing struggle against against power and against parity. and when you get so much time you blast my kids are aspiring to be in power in
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a 2 party system like we have in the u. k. that's totally ruins what i called alimentary calculus. we no longer have any balancing powers within poland because you got 2 groups of people, the tories and labor, both by and for power, which means you actually get no one representing people's interests. and what they do represent you mentioned the ticket sharma is associated with the trilateral commission and something about that. the great us historian and dramatists and rights and go values to talk about in his later years. what is the trilateral commission? the ticket number is associated with it. it's quite extraordinary, but really like you will be a member of the trilateral commission was formed after the 2nd world war and its try lateral because it is representative of business leaders from japan, your north america. and they, infamously, in the early seventies roy, say, a book called the crisis of democracy. and the crisis of democracy they describe is
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that students are starting to pro, set to protest and demand to school change. feminist women are demands in clinical representation around the world. workers on demanding representation within, within parliament. and they see this is a crisis. the crisis for them is that there is too much democracy, that people are getting involved in political decisions. and they actually in the crisis they, they rice out, describe the projects of how they're going to pose discipline and sacrifice on to, on the post war relations. and. and so if you look at the current membership machine, these are it's full of elitist business leaders. incredibly rich people in reference to the business which extraordinarily well, i don't think it is nice for mary here. storm of leisure lane party is
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a member of i don't think it's to a concert or to suggest that kissed armor who, who funded his campaigned come leader party with a number of small donations that were smaller below the threshold. have to declare who in here exactly made by the nations. i don't think it is too much of a stretch imagination to suggest an organization like the trilateral mission of multiple different business leaders would be a good place to start organizing such a campaign. in fact, i didn't think it on that is representative of label asshole. he's been put in place by this organization which is actively designed to undermine the labor movement that they've written in the in that treaty. well, it is being put in there by a lot of members as well. we're right to get stronger on the never that if you want to come on, even i met him on a b b. c program. but he does seem to want to come on, do you really do put into context in this book,
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how anti capitalist literature has been in the even surveilled by the state in recent years? obviously, the climate activists complaining that they are being under this surveillance state . the obvious, vital question is how can we and may debate and converse in the public arena, knowing that the kinds of surveillance you outlined in the book is a full spectrum across the range. and, you know, people's children, as you say, a coming up against it. yeah, i mean it's, it's incredibly worrying really. we are, i mean, i'm sure you, you on your, i'm sort of the way that the lease and i'm trying prevents people every math, less views and, and yeah, the level of surveillance teachers and docs is informing on people's
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movements. and we'll say now, you know, there is also, you know, electronic surveillance, which a lot of people that, you know carry, my gosh, i know every where they go. it's very difficult to imagine how people can exist politically within such a climates. but i think, i think what we have to do is we have to do now we have the ultimate leader, the power exists in the sense which is on the road for a walker. thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday when po leading british prime minister morris johnson takes to the stage. the conservative body conference has millions receive welfare, consummate, and energy crisis. that could further squeeze the poor families in one of the richest countries in the world until then keep in touch with social media and let us know if you're worried about your children being targeted by via my 5 prevent. ah ah,
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well, the fund i make no certainly no borders. i'm just like to tease and you as a merge, we don't have a charity. we don't to look back. see the whole world leads to take action and be ready. people are judgment. 2 common crisis with we can do better, we should be doing better. everyone is contributing each in their own way. but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenge is great, the response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together.
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