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we're going underground digging of the stories, buried by the so called mainstream media coming over the show pot on the heels of an anti jeremy corbin labor leaders. conference comes boris johnson's conservative body conference. this week the tories a leading impulse decides in energy crisis. one of the highest per capita deaf tor covered responses and welfare got to the poorest. we follow the money and 24 hours ahead of ours. johnson's defense secretary, speech of the tory conference and following defeats in afghanistan is the u. k. importing taliban sal attacks on freedom to impose british government values. all of them all coming up in today's going underground. at 1st. it's political conference season here in britain, but his boss johnson writers speech for this week, brittany seemingly facing crisis after crisis. the army brought in to solve the car, fuel prices, energy companies going bankrupt, allegedly of trustworthy transport. companies having to be brought back into public ownership. and johnson having to subsidize a c o 2 company to keep beer flowing, who better to follow the money with the north, prem sicker arch critic of structures of financial regulation here in britain.
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thank you so much for coming back on after so long. we have 14, a half 1000000 here in poverty, including $4300000.00 children, a labor leader. they buy the leader, you turning on minimum wage deregulation boys, johnson cutting 20 pounds a week from britons or 6000000 poorest as it conscious cruelty by st. armor and johnson or is in competence while i hello alicia. nice to be on your program. i think her, there are structural problems in the whole of the u. k. economy, which neither parties are willing to address. and what we are witnessing in terms of chill chill to do is food you did is homelessness cuts in universal credit. that is basically how neoliberalism is playing out. it is really about enriching the rich and not really doing much for the masses. and i mean, no, i know you the original bit about this. i mean say just the health care system here, the envy of the world,
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it used to be the national health service here. that is it by stealth. they are privatizing it. and is it working this idea the you can cream people off into the private sector? now as the n a just seems to be failing for some in this country? well, i think it is privatization mostella and also deliberately, you know, when the conservative government came to office in 2010, the waiting list was about 2.42.5000000 in england. it is already about high point $6000000.00 and the forecast is going to possibly $13000000.00 by the end of next year. and the main reason for that is lack of investment. britain is unable even to trade sufficient doctors and we've been doing what we have done for a long, long time. that is really poach people from other countries, deprived them of their skill labor. and the trick is not working at the moment
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because a lot of the migrants have left. so basically the government should have had the facilities to train healthcare workers, but it does not have that in place. and it's not something you can come to europe overnight because the priority has been, hold the government to provide tax cuts to corporations and the rich. and now audrey, people are really just paying the price. here. what did you think of it when boys johnson? apparently in new york with you and general assembly met up with jeff bezos and said it's up to companies like amazon to pay that ex. how are i suppose that he might as well say they were back to the re railway station and they're all saying, calling to pay your taxes, please. before you leave the country, companies are not going to want to voluntarily pay taxes. we need to have a well resource tax authority, and certainly hardly any actions been taken against the tax avoidance industry. our been an avid or what the big for accounting firms,
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the api center of the global tax avoidance industry. do that, can you imagine you and i getting a court judgment and call it says you're done something unlawful. somebody will descend upon you there will find you there will shut down businesses or that that just does not happen to the ex avoidance industry at all. no, really surprising up to a point because there are many members of parliament who are on the payroll of these firms. in the former senior politicians have work or are currently working for these big accounting firms as well. so there is a real crisis about what you know, what is happening in our society. on paper we are told we have a government off the people for the people, but it does not really appear to be for the people. it is only for the rich and john corporations, when you mentioned the audit companies, when the actual, the violations that have been discovered in fantasy. i know you written about it.
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one company grant thornton was fine, 2340000 pounds on, on 471000000. the income over auditing the big auditors are also part of the systemic problem. well, they're the same homes really? yeah. they've been delivering that though that's for nearly a century, nothing of the range. you know, that he said he changes the collapse or lehman brothers. and when we had to close our libraries for austerity to bail out all these banks, no change in order things. and so the bailout there is no 100 mental change. they have been tinkering around at the edges that has not really done anything. the government could discipline them by saying, look, we won't give you any tax payer sponsored contracts. these firms have no experience in dealing with the pen, make sure they got coded contracts running it 200 and millions of pounds. and that
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is, in a sense, the real fundamental problem in this country that there are certain groups and the elite who have benefited from government policies. others have not wages, you know, look at the workers, wages, basically been stagnant for the next decade. meanwhile, the energy bills, the food bills, transport bills are rising at old, repeat la struggling. as you said earlier, 14 and a half 1000000 people live below the poverty line. and there is no discernible government plan to, to deal with that. and when, when, when you listen to the labor policies are announced of the conference this week, there isn't much happening there either. we heard how the labor leader was opposed to 15 pound per hour minimum wage. let's put that in perspective. even if somebody gets 15 pound, then we'll be paying 20 percent of that in the basic income tax on top
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of the other is 12 percent in national insurance on top of that. and other 1.25 percentage point recently announced increase in the health and carroll every while . that doesn't really leave anybody very much to deal with the massive increase in food prices and energy prices or anything else. and the one boris johnson has avoided an i q star ma has avoided, is a key word. the key word is read distribution. there is no real distribution going on. and that is a staggering in this country that even people in full time jobs can't come in to look after their families that don't have enough resources to pay for their housing, food and anything else. and that is really unacceptable. we need massive redistribution. well, no political party is willing to take that all. is that because they'll certainly
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be stands for from private equity companies are the conservative body conference this week, let alone closer ties between tickets. thomas labor, party and city of london is epic as a revolving door between the very financial. this is a institutions and of the democratically elected parties. well, they revolving doors is one aspect. the other is a lot of the media itself is controlled, bother very interests who want these kind of privileges. we really need a fundamental constitutional reform. for example, we need to need to deal with whether the members of parliament should really be consultants to corporate interest. many are still on the books of corporations. they basically do their master's bidding in parliament, and that is unacceptable for them. every one of them, when i they do that, that's just a helpful donations and they kind of, you know,
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they can pursue 46 percent rise in your sales by the way the richer are doing that bad. the one of the more astonishing figures that you being quoting, it seems in opposition to what we hear from the media. you speak of that the financial services industry somehow helps the exchequer, the u. k. economy. you quote some with a 4.5 trillion pounds. in a negative contribution to the u. k. economy between 19972015. so all the tall buildings in the city of london is that a negative impact on the economy during that period? well that, that is right. and that is, i'm quoting research conducted at the university of sheffield by distinguished academics. so she looked at, we bailed out in the banks. for example, the city of london is at the forefront of a tax avoidance industry, money laundering industry. many of our graduates end up working in the finance
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industry instead of say, going to other industries which are far more productive. and a lot of the city of london is basically simply gambling by taking all these things into account. the academic colleagues, cheko university came up with that estimate that estimate has not been denied by the government. indeed, i have cited that in debates of the house of lords, challenger ministers to denied you. look at the other countries, let finance industry to, but it is not clue dominant. i'm not against the finance industry, but what i am again says on restrain speculation and gambling was we have, we have a financial, a conduct authority here is a regulator. and in the house of lords, you demanding an investigation into the regulator itself. i mean, is london the most corrupt place on earth? well, our regulators are pretty ineffective. i mean,
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i cited the example of her hsbc in the house of lords. hsbc was find at $1900000000.00 in the us for money laundering. admitted that in writing that had been engaged in, quote, criminal conduct. and it was not investigated in the u. k, that for whatever reason, no government statement was made about this. but curiously, in the u. s. and other committee senatorial committee got interested in that. how had come that a bank is find such a massive amount. this was in 2012 and but not really prosecuted. and they then mounted an investigation and published a report that report contained a letter from the youth. you can chancellor together with the e mails and letters from the nuclear regulatory authorities and the bank of england
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urging the americans to go easy on hsbc. it was too big too high or too big to regulate. and that is not the only example we use is it is you can most corrupt. we have a bank of credit and commerce international which was shut down in $991.00. it was the world's biggest banking fraud in the 20th century. to this day they had been though investigation and i, a 45 and a half year legal battle with the u. k. government to get hold of one secret document. this is under the freedom of information and that document showed that the bank was looted. my operatives of al qaeda, saudi intelligence. there was smugglers, there were a gun runners, you name it, but the u. k. government has hushed up the whole thing and we have to remember that al qaeda and taliban themselves are funded. and, and by, by the western authorities that were trained by western artists,
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there has been absolutely no accountability. and this particular bank, banks collapse was never really investigated. so one has to conclude that the government is nurturing these kind of darker practices, which is not helpful to the people. well, lord, pepsi good. thank you. obviously you had parliamentary privilege. we don't have it here. all those banks deny any are wrong doing in the main and obviously, so does the financial call that he regulated you're, you're, you're most welcome to look at marco elementary speeches publicly available evidence which is cited in those speeches to decide, oh, what do you want to accept the premises again. thank you. after the break counter extremism will come to democracy. does the government war on terror prevents very freedoms? it aims to protect all this more coming up. we've got to have going underground.
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ah ah, one would think the humiliating withdrawal from afghanistan would be the start of a washington wine down of the forever wars. this is really the case also. you tubes more on creators. and it's not only about the so called coven misinformation. ah, it was on my face. grace, you back please go read it. who? paula? a border with i hope them i will come with the then you are quite by that i don't through politicians to athletes and movies. does the musicals? does it seem to every big name in the world has been here last year, copa, music, mac, arcus, corrosive flu, washing machine. when you get the call for anything?
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give me a glass. would you like me to you? said basil. makes dreams come true, that every one who fall in love with people look like. mm. welcome back. as nato nations grow alarmed by the influx of refugees from defeat in afghanistan, will we see another optic in mass surveillance to cast arm as labor parties already talking about utilizing video doorbell systems and the johnson government has been slammed for interfering in schools. joining me now from here in london is dr. rob for walker, who has experienced the u. case, prevent counter terrorism program 1st hand and has now written the emergence of
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extremism exposing the violent discourse language of radicalization. congratulations on the book. welcome my rob to the show you written about the emergence of extremism in inverted commas. in this book, you were a school teacher who had 1st hand experience of this prevent strategy supported by their labor and tore parties over the years. and how did it help inspire you perhaps to write this book? i'm well, yeah. all right, thanks very much. i was, i was teaching as he sat with teaching in a lot. so the school where i was working in became a focus for the present strategy in around 2015. and it seems immediately it seems the problematic that we were being briefed on how to identify young children as potential future terrorists. i mean, it seems, seem madness to me or what i mean. so i was teaching the secondary school,
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but we don't examples of, you know, children and children, even us by prevents, you know, 6 or 56, i'm year olds and it's just says, man, this is based based on the idea that people's political views my act as a as a, as a useful for predict tracks and violence which is got the logic of how a democracy works. totally the wrong way around this. isn't it logic in a democracy? it's enabling or express views that might be outside of the norm. that means they don't have to resort to so i've been writing about a all that by preventing people from speaking out. eric used on my screen, they're actually making political violence more and not less likely. so the whole strategy accounts productive. so i subsequently the questions,
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i have the misplaced research and i've been looking at hence for a few years now here you say in the book, it not only undermines our democracy by labeling some people extremists, but it also silencing them and into doing, denying them the opportunity to participate in debate. i mean we were hearing that the taliban, that revolted the checking has are a boy's mobile phones, a photo galleries e mails. that's the kind of idea. it's comparable that. i mean it's, it's, it's, it's totally it. and it's not really surprising. prevent mike strategies encountered streamers, which was invented by the u. k. in the u. s. alliance has been laptop, i suppose it regimes around glow. i mean, you can see that the office in recent years for b. b, i would encounter extremism training with the indian governments, and we've seen the treatments of medicines and, and yet they are also very streaming along the need for you,
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of course is where given cancer stream is in training. so the chinese states in advance or be perfect and we received this an wholesale refreshing muslims going on around below. i was met lee, a situation that has, i mean, i, the war and sarah mentioned on hopefully find you this close in a waste time. dangerous way, some time costing millions of lives needlessly in the is made to wells a less safe place. and this and strategies ultimately the domestic front of the war on terror and a chinese indian government was, he denied any wrong doing as we was that people can watch our interview about the week is now, you know, in 2019 the home of his home, of his work was and said, prevent, is a vital part of our counter terrorism work, which safeguards vulnerable people from being drawn into terrorism since 2012.
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that's, that's the british government safeguarding, you know, having been a teacher in years, said going is, is absolutely primary for teacher and what rent a new layer of surveillance into that relationship rent is one of the only areas that i huddle or repeatedly encounter professionals who claims for children and be interviewed by the police without that parents they own. so there is, this is, there is nothing to do with this. so it's about safeguarding the states from detention and tara. and as i say, the idea is a use way of tracking or is, is ridiculous. and i, i personally have had situations where before events existed, you would have, on occasion, young was then was and then also all of us boys had told me, is that a teacher about aspirations, for example,
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travels out and start that also. and in every situation, they told me, i discovered that the people who are as the war and sarah, me as well. they learned that they can right there. and you stated, engage in democracy now become a democratic citizen. i mean, i situations, none of those children ever travel ever did. and i just because i'm say, as a teacher, as a date with the states to help them become democratic citizens with prevention, based based children. and i had chosen told me that they wouldn't have a conversation to teacher because they know that the teacher would be obliged to eat, at least by prevents. and it's no coincidence. it was introduced in the school. the next those schools where i was teaching the 3 goals, including major 28. again, that was in my experience, i was creeper,
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may well have conversations about spreadsheet with teachers that are on stations about frustration. policy, which children are now not going to say, i'm quite right on the stations because it's like you, but it could result in a programmer. and at least, you know, actually a vague him who human rights advocate say, has been denied her citizenship. i think the interesting thing about your book of taking it away from islam ism for a 2nd. then we talk about in this program a to learn this kind of radicalization to britain itself because historically promoted is lism, obviously in afghanistan, under the beginning. you talk about how we're the 1st time the phrase extremism was used in parliament on the 2nd of august, 919 and it was about miners and railway men. this is about class as well as it is anything to do about the war. in terra, you seem to be suggesting, well, for, there's been a historically, this been a very, there was a big shift after the 77 bombings in 2005 on the movies. attorney last
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started using freeman's them to describe the act of the bombers, which represents a dramatic shift in the british left. because before that's all the instances which are very rare. in fact, you can read all of them within one city. but all of the instances stream isn't being used in parliament are used by the left to describe the hard left. so you will get labor and he's will say say to a tory m p. so say you need to watch out a policy you're asking because in response to that, it will be arise and extremism that's looking at the whole left and communist. he's in the early 20th century, which will result in more, less for him. and he's, and this is an interesting thing for me because what it shows is that the left wing politicians, labor politicians, did not want power. they want to political change. and so the interesting thing now
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again under kissed arm is bringing back glerison is this idea versus interest party actually moves it totally away from its roots. the lay possibly was set up as an opposition party to demand change. and so if i, you know, this is why the last talk about the struggle because they are, it's an ongoing struggle against against power and again, so 30. and when you get so much, i mean last my kids are aspiring to be in power in a 2 party system like we have in the u. k, that's totally ruins what i called and pre calculus. we no longer have any balancing powers within poland because you got 2 groups of people, the tories and labor, both by and for power, which means you actually get no one representing people's interests. and what they do represent you mentioned the ticket sharma is associated with the trilateral commission and something about that. the great us historian and
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dramatists and right and go values to talk about in his later years. what is the trilateral commission? the ticket number is associated with it. it's quite extraordinary, but really like us, you will be a member of the trilateral commission was formed after the 2nd world war and its try lateral because it is representative of business leaders from japan, your north america. and they, infamously, and nearly seventies roy say, a book called the crisis of democracy. and the crisis of democracy they describe is that students are starting to pro, set to protest and demand change. feminist women are demands in clinical representation around the world. workers on demanding representation within, within parliament. and they see this is a crisis. the crisis for them is that there is too much democracy, that people are getting involved in political decisions. and they actually in the, in the crisis book they,
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they rice out describe the projects of how they're going to pose discipline and sacrifice on super on to post war relations. and so if you look at the current membership, tried us mission, based on it's full of elitist business leaders, incredibly rich people and represent the business which extraordinarily well, i don't think it is nice for mary here. storm of leisure lane. archie is a member of i didn't get to a conspiratorial to suggest that kissed arm, who, who funded his campaign come later with a number of small donations that were small and below the threshold. have to declare who in here exactly made by the nations. i don't think it is too much of a stretch imagination to set suggest an organization like the trilateral mission of multiple different business leaders would be a good place to start organizing such
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a campaign. in fact, i didn't think it is representative of label values, asshole. he's been put in place by this organization, which is absolutely designed to undermine the labor movement. and if they've written in the, in that treaty, well, it is being put in there by a lot of members as well. we're right here on the never received. you want to come on even i met him on a b, b c program, but he does seem to want to come on. do you really do put into context in this book, how anti capitalist literature has been there, even surveilled by the state in recent years? obviously the climate activists complaining that they are being under this surveillance state. the obvious, vital question is how can we and may debate and converse in the public arena, knowing that the kinds of surveillance you outlined in the book is a full spectrum across the range. and, you know, people's children,
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as you say, a coming up against it. yeah, i mean it's, it's incredibly worrying really, but we are, i mean, i'm sure you on your, on sort of the way that the lease and you find prevents people every math, less school views and, and yeah, this level of surveillance teachers and docs is informing on people's movements, and we'll say now you know, if there is also, you know, the electronic surveillance, which is a, you know, carrying michael, i mean, everywhere they go. it's very difficult to imagine how people can exist politically within such a climate. but i think, i think what we have to do is we have to do now we have the ultimate leader, the power exists in the sense which is on the road for
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a walker. thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday when poll leading british prime minister boss johnson takes to the stage, the conservative body conference as millions receive welfare, consummate, and energy crisis that could further squeeze the poor families in one of the richest countries in the world until then keep in touch by social media and let us know if you're worried about your children being targeted by via my 5. prevent. welcome to max kaiser's financial survival guide. looking forward to your friends without the ice. this is what happens. dimensions in brittany del at this happens. you watch kaiser report with
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