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[000:00:00;00] the ah, one of the desperate guy who clung to a us military plane, taking off from cobble films, the will deal on his phone. the fight is unknown, but others went on to plunge to the death of brief the media offered power grab promising that the revenge that africans who worked for foreign means all forgiven losses reveal and thought about and come on and who gave a victory speech from cobbles, presidential ta, ta, spend years as a detainee at guantanamo bay.
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ah, well, for most good, thanks for joining us. and i don't all the international law, daniel hawkins, whether you tonight. welcome through the program. the 1st up scenes of chaos and i've got to stop after the taliban take over with gunshot, fired at the international airport and cobble as people scrambled to flee the new regime. some tried to scale the perimeter walls and fences to reach about creation . flights with desperate parents dragging their children over barbed wire. there are on confound reports, a ton about to fight a short amount of scaling a wall. while 7 people have been confirmed, killed at the airport in the last few days. the satellite misery, take it on sunday, capture the turmoil in and around the hub with thousands attempted to flee due to a lack of petrol locals reportedly abandoned. their cars at the roadside fuel is expensive there right now and difficult to find some of those who reach the airport
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. so desperate to get out, they resorted to claim to claim that was taken off. this video was filmed by one of those who took that risk. it's unclear what their fate was. since the video has emerged on line, it's hoped the person was one of the lucky ones. others though, we're not so lucky and verified, and i think video has immersed online, apparently showing some of those who clung to us air force plane falling to the death. and it's reported that the human remains were also found in the landing gear . all that same plane after his flight from cobble for the addition would dump the luggage racks and the cop off of the capitals apple local to binding them as they attempt layers. we've heard from local journalists feel also wary on what's going on in the country right now. one of the taliban are clearly trying to adopt to the massive political and social changes that exist in this country. for
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example, 20 years ago i was didn't have access to internet, you didn't have the viper and media didn't have the citizen journalism generation. it can be on the taliban side as well. they are using social media in the new media and they also know what changes have taken place. events unfolding really, really quickly. and the spokesman did said at the amnesty offer extended to everyone, including those who work with the americans was something to be 100 and known as to fear anyone. and he also said one of potential and talent could contribute to one is that in they'll be a power shedding government and islamic government, although no further details were provided. so you know, the fact that the taliban, what interviewed understands largest television station. hello. that's something that would not happen 20 years ago to talk about it would not allow it of understand didn't have you know, such
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a powerful media outlet. so we will have to see how the transition explain for the taliban from fighting into politics, into governance. how can we keep, for example, i want to sound functional? how can we keep a city like carbon functional, which is why the of us to form a man of cobble at to stay in this position. mister salt android, it was a one time close ally of den president of why me and the minister of hell. why much row who are seeing working doing the corona pandemic has been kept on is position to continue serving the people. so obviously there's that understanding among the taliban and to run the bureaucracy and to run the government, they would need the help of former government officials. they have actually called on to come back. as people tried to flee the taliban, gave a media briefing in which it attempted to assure afghans they would be safe if they stayed. in particular, instead,
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it would not exact revenge on those who had collaborated with the us coalition to power code and joined my colleagues ascii at taylor in studio to discuss what that means. that seems to be the main message of peace and love. i guess the taliban leadership made this press conference apparently to kind of give a face to the international community that this is a new taliban that they're friendly. they want to make peace. one of the 1st things that they 1st, again said is that they want peace, which would mean that there would be no interrogations. and no revenge or any of that sort against anybody who worked in ganeth and any foreign citizens of foreign fighters, foreign workers, or even of gas and citizens who helped us coalition. during these years. after that, the folks person for the taliban leadership went on to talk about things like women's rights that women would now have it much better under the new government that the taliban leadership will make. they're still working on that part. they would have all their rights protected, they would be come
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a very active part of society. they would be able to work on air and even have hold places and positions in government. although they did stress, of course, that this would be under the guidelines of serial law. so whatever that means and how that would be actually implemented. after that, he talked about media freedom. once again everybody can work. everybody can function even encourage the media to highlight the shortcomings of the afghanistan government. although he didn't warn for it not to work against the government. and independent media would also be allowed to remain free and independent basically. so all these messages, they're basically saying that this is a new taliban leadership. this is going to be new. and they've been talking about this all over the place. basically saying these messages to anybody, even our team reached out for an interview with them. and here's what they said. they're not exposed to any danger because they are in our homeland, among their people. we strive to make the future for the people and the country worthy. we have no desire to take revenge on these people. we strive to ensure that
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our people united despite all the challenges we want to build a new country and make our people have a decent future. we have issued a number of decrees including the decrease concerning those translators who collaborated with the occupying regime for one reason or another. the past is the past. they don't have any problems right now. so it's me to charm offensive dots for sure. but how convinced our people? well, obviously not everybody is convinced. we can see from all the care going on. and again, a stand with the mass exodus and all the scenes of people trying to flee the country . because, phil, it's the taliban internationally recognize terrorist organizations. but the taliban leadership has stress that what it tries to convey is trying to convey that they've changed. it's been 20 years since they were in power. and over these 20 years, the afghan people grew and grew. and they're not the same taliban there. if they were back then and it kind of shows, i guess you could say, because now they have twitter handles,
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they're holding press conferences that by all means are civil. i'm sure many people thought it would be something more barbaric when they heard a taliban press conference. there's a lot of promises made here, right. so it's still remains to be seen if any of these promises will be held. but one thing this press conference has shown at least, is that the taliban has learned p r. basically it's learn how to communicate with the west. it's learned how to use these key words that the international community generally likes the new look taliban, as a very failed to convince some that you use foreign policy. chief joseph burrell, saying the only thing that had improved by the group in the last 20 years was its members ability to speak english. you leaders are growing increasingly worried about the situation in afghanistan, here in the chaos to spread to europe by promising a large influx of refugees, or l at a that the block will help. i'm going to stones neighbors to deal with migration float need to coordinate between the to be a union member states congress. it would be how you know was yeah. and we would
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have to support it timesheets and neighbors countries. well, joseph borrow, who we were listening to there, summed up the sentiments, expressed at a online meeting of the you foreign ministers in which he said that the priority was the safe evacuation of european and of any african citizens who had worked with them for more than 20 years, if indeed they wanted to be evacuated. he also said that they were ready to engage with the taliban. this did not mean official recognition that it was an acceptance . not everybody in europe is happy. you have, for example, from germany and eastern european capitals who are asking the question why other countries are not taking on the burden of dealing with these refugees. first, we have to discuss how to accommodate the people in the neighboring countries and move forward. the next step would be to look further, but a european solution would certainly be difficult. we have not yet managed to create
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a common asylum policy development. this would be, we must anticipate and protect ourselves against major irregular my great re flows that would endanger those who use them and feed trafficking of all kinds. we will therefore take the initiative to build without delay, a robust, coordinated, and united response that will involve the fight against irregular flows appeal. now despite miracles, concern about the human crisis and the potential impact that this could have on us . but she did manage to find time to attend to full premier in burlington, and despite the criticism that so far, gemini had only evacuated 7 of its nationals from cabal. at the same time, a number of leaders are very pessimistic. you have, for example, the check president, my list zeeman, who had said that nature failed enough, got done. and it's legitimacy has now been brought into question. the distrust towards natal from a number of member countries will grow up to this experience because they will say if you failed and get this done,
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whereas the guarantee that you won't fail in any other critical situation. at austria, it has cold on neighboring countries to have done to fit up people taishan centers as a way of handling immigrants that are attempting to flee the taliban. also, of course, is maintaining a very hard line stance when it comes to immigrants. you then have turkey, which is in the final stages of building a 295 kilometer roads along the border with the ran to prevent african refugees from entering that country. the nato secretary general said the priority for nato was as follows. nato's focus now is to ensure the safe departure or personnel from allied and partner countries and of the africans who have helped us. admitted that europe was surprised at the speed of the political and military collapse of the
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cobble government. it was something that they had not anticipated. he also said that he was frustrated that after years of international assistance, the results were to quote him, not better or to robert good sir and associate, professor of specializing in us politics. you can learn catholic university in the crisis in afghanistan puts get more strain on washington's relations with europe. i think that europe already is under massive stream in terms of humanitarian aid that it provide to other nations and in the region. i, i don't, i don't know why we're not seeing united states president standing. i've been saying, okay, we cause this weather was 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 5 years ago or last week. and we need to step in and help with there's nobody should have to go and live in a refugee camp because a western democracy is decided that it's nation building. i must be clear,
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it was nation building. that was the mission that we were there for. if we remember back to, to those days, and as a reporter, i remember reporting in those types of ways that this was about democracy as much as it was about other things, such as stopping. but nobody should have to live in a refugee camp because of these decisions that are being made by a western government. and we also offer the televisions rapid entry and to cobble washington refrained from comment. but so binding, the national security advisers now outlined us strategy and it's viewed the situation to the press and follow the white house procedures, comments. and the main takeaway that the us did not expect to go that way. and then not quite sure what to do next. even well drawn plans don't survive 1st contact with reality. this is happen more rapidly than we anticipated here. there is chaotic situation in cobble where we don't even have the establishment of a governing authority. when you're at
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a point where things are happening more quickly than anyone would have anticipated . then you're going to have some chaotic stand slash you listen to us officials discussing afghanistan. they don't seem to be providing real information and seem to be emphasizing that they don't have a clear picture of the answers. the questions that are being asked. and one question that came up is, what about all the weapons the united states has provided to ask and security forces over the years. where did they go? those black hawks were given to the top. they were given to the african national security forces to be able to defend themselves. we don't have a complete picture, obviously of where every article of defense materials has gone. but certainly a fair amount of it has fallen into the hands of the taliban. and obviously we don't have a sense that they are going to readily hand it over to us at the airport. now, mid these fumbling responses that indicate perhaps
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a lack of knowledge of what's really going on. we are seeing us officials try out an old tried and true method flap on some sanctions and hope everything works out. i am not going to go into the full planet panel play of things that we can do, but there are obviously issues related to sanctions. there remains to be seen whether or not the taliban really cares about us. sanction, however, washington has made clear is not going to sacrifice any more american lives on the altar of democracy in afghanistan, however, national security, advisor sullivan did make clear. he cares deeply about afghan women, truly deeply. my heart goes out to africa and women and girls in the country today under the tall. so amid confusion, as the global community looks on the situation and afghan us. dan has a lot of questions for us. leaders about what they did know and didn't know and what's going to happen in the future. i'm sure everyone is totally reassured by
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these answers that have just been provided by washington officials. a ton of commodity who gave a victory speech from inside the presidential palace soon after the militants to cobra. the afghan capital is its emerge the former detained me. america is infamous . guantanamo by prison. camp. so who is he golden rule? honey was born 975. he was recruited by the taliban in the 900 ninety's. eventually joining the movements so called ministry of intelligence in 2001 he was attained by the united states forces in cobble and subsequently set to go to a bay where he was among the 1st the chinese. now that he was incarcerated till 2007, at the time her holiday was deemed by us intelligence as a medium level threat to the us and its allies as well. he was expect to join groups dedicated to attacking us forces in afghanistan if relief. yet americans
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eventually did let him go addressing the review puddle. ronnie reported the claims he was an ordinary shopkeeper who wanted to return to i've got to stop to care for his sick father. and we heard from scott with him for the marine corps intelligence officer. he told us that places like one ton of money will bond to create extremis . the united states is very rarely has 100 percent accurate information on people. we detained these people for, for many years. if i were detained off the street as an innocent person and subjected to in humane treatment in an illegal facility for a number of years by an occupying party. and then i was released, my life would focus solely on killing those people. so when, when people get radicalized by undergoing an experience that no human being should be subjected to, we shouldn't be surprised. it's 100 percent counterproductive. i mean, anybody was,
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any brain knows that this is not how you go forward and was going to stop vice president as well to keep up the fight against the taliban. amolla solid sweetie was inside the country and was now in fact the president report say around 10000 afghan troops are on their way to punish province to join the resistance. this area is very close to cobble and includes a strategically important road that leads to the north of the country. sada has reportedly been joined by all the military commodities who refused to give in. the northern part of i've got to start has historically been a thorn in a ton of my side. it was home to the so called northern alliance, which for to get some terrorists in the ninety's. according to some reports, fighting has already broke out without can force is managing to wrest control of some areas near the capital. i mean, while fresh videos are much said to be of women protesting and campbell at the morning, their rights to be respected,
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including to work to education and to political participation. the taliban though, has actually been urging women, apparently to join the government in another. unprecedented move out of an official site with a female present for an interview with hollow news that african television station . so part of the p r campaign to present a more moderate side of the group to the world. earlier my colleague me, harvey discussed the future of press freedoms in the country with sod, sunny sherman and chief executive of movie group, which overseas follow news. how much the title of trying to win hearts and minds. they're trying to convince the political establishment people outside the tolerable movement to join and support the taliban movement that are trying to secure international support. so i think it's a bit early. it's a bit too early to judge as to what the long term intentions are. there will be a transitional government know that they may be more restrictive and eventually
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they'll be an emerett at the top on have their way. so long ways to go before we can say that they're receptive to women on television or to equal opportunity for afghan. a sense how do you feel about freedom of speech in afghanistan? the moment you kind of optimistic, maybe you feared the worst when the taliban came into power. but how are you feeling in the moment? i'm feeling neither. i think it's too early and we can't be used to assume that they have changed for good freedom of speech. is not just on reporting on facts. i mean they, they believed that gods on their side. and then the holy koran is the constitution and then they can never be challenged in time. they will need to be need to get channels and we'll see how much capacity they have for criticism when that happens too, too, too early. and we have months and months ahead of us to see if they actually their, their actions match the words. it's understandable. we sent an awful lot of people
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fleeing heading for the airport. it's been tragic at times, watching the people that tends to get out. have you had any real stops saying look, you know, we're just not comfortable with this. we, we want to go? yes, we have and there are many who want to stay on and continue their work and some who wish to get that. i mean what the thought of i'm doing that in the coming weeks will determine what people do in the years. i had this, this sort of this, this middle class, this youth was, you know, 60 percent off kind of under the age of 20. and they can, they can make or break the country. and if they leave, we lose our educated class. so really it's up to the top line in terms of how they behave and their behavior is going to impact what people do in the months ahead. after the taliban take with the red cross that it will keep stock and i've got to stop and continue providing assistance to all sides. recently the 8 organization reported that since june,
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the 1st that are treated 40000 people wounded and fighting in the country. while the 3rd of august alone so far is $8000.00 for crosses, director for asia and the pacific says that in recent years, over half the casualties have been women and children on the we some fighting in the, in the country and visiting the recent days. we've been seeing a number of ensured must have been cracked up or people injured in the dentist and that would be fighting down leg. got it right and create a huge you monitor in need. here are deeply look back at the moment from the fighting over the years here, the concern is really much on the women and children that are making more than half of the casualties such that we have. we have, you know, we're, we're supporting because here from there you'll have to imagine where the long term
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shuffling and baby once you have been to us because you're going to be or so we heard those think i rehabilitation printer where it would take years to just treat people that could have been them to take it from, from those ones. we are very much committed to continue the work be in a hospital, but that's not on me that i can understand the reason find psyche and this is not something that we are denying. however much of the room that we have had over the years and he's already known and we've been walking in pregnancy control control. i read to him, i'm very much going to be that we can continue working with. he's are very much the ones are from natalia independence and it's very crucial, particularly at this moment. that's organisation stand by. there was russian foreign ministry also described the current predicament as the natural result of the us and nato troop withdrawal,
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drawing parallels with other west. the lead interventions over the past 2 decades, critic se washington's lengthy operations in the country have been playing directly into the thought about hands. as all he's egos done off explain, they've done it finally from siri and libya in the middle east to venezuela and cuba and latin america. washington has a decades long history of failed attempts to bring anti government malicious to power. and at last they've crack the code in have gone, has done with the taliban. apparently, all they had to do is instead of aiding them, they should have just fought against them all this time. thanks to our military and our allies and the brave fighters of afghanistan, taliban regime is coming to an end here is little doubt that our greatest military challenge right now is afghan. stan, we must reverse the tale, bonds, momentum,
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and deny of the ability to overthrow the government. our troops will fight to win. we will fight to win. it all started so well. the us invaded the taliban, fled to the mountains. the us trained and trained and train the new konami spend billions on supplying it with more noms. we spent over a trillion dollars. we trained and equipped in africa military force. with some 300000 strong. we gave them every tool they could need. all of us in vain only for the taliban to seize all the equipment. as soon as i've got to stand fools, which strengthen their already solid position in the country, the comprehension of the situation on the ground was also far from what you might expect from the country, deeming itself the military and intelligence superpower. the united states currently lacks a comprehensive strategy to gates reconstruction efforts in afghanistan. it also
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lacks overarching plants with clearly defined metrics to guide its work in a number of key areas, such as anti corruption, connor narcotics, health, education, gender rule of law and water. all this lead to the inevitable corruption, the thriving within the security forces. they're glaring ineffectiveness. and as a result, lack of trust to the u. s. backed institution from locals, the african population perceives places, predatory bandits and calls them the most hated institution in the country. around 30 percent of the recruited place of deserted with issued weapons to set up their own private checkpoints and extort money from travelers. various sources report of the telephone calls were preferable alternative and that they were perceived as accessible, fast and less corrupt than the government established courts. so when the us says something like this, that force prude, incapable of defending the country. and that did happen more rapidly than we anticipated. is it that big of a surprise?
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i mean, really well, but at least this time america is meddling actually lead a militant group. even one recognized as terrorists by many states, to gain total control over a country of garrison who failed. the united states failed and they failed to train the ocoee and military. but to be honest, this isn't even the 1st time where we've in something like this. remember how much the united states invested in in nation building in iraq and how the iraqi security forces word. at 1st sight of islam extended, it was very obvious to me. as soon as the united states said that it would be withdrawing that this was essentially the same thing as hitting the keys to the towel them. but i truly do not believe that the american public understood this. and i'm not even sure that the fight in administration understood receive. this is
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what happens when you try to impose a western concept of them, but democratization onto a culture that has absolutely no concept of, of it. i mean, they didn't, they never had an army there before, and they, they were more involved in insurgencies and whatever. then we tried to build an army. this was totally alien to them. so none of this is surprising. and many of us very early on were saying this is a, a prescription for disaster. and this outcome is very dismayed. on the one hand, i feel very badly for the african people because they have really taken the brunt of, of this miscalculation both by their own leadership and by the united states government, south international life from moscow. and that's it on this of coverage of the unraveling situation in afghanistan, we are closely following events on the ground. we'll continue continue to keep you
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