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the who's who's i hello and welcome to stop there. all things considered. i and peter rebel, russian president vladimir putin has penned a long article on russia and ukraine. needless to say, it is evoked a lot of responses. we tell you why this article is important. also so long angle of merkel, germany's long serving chancellor. what will be her lasting legacy? ah to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, jordan semi raleigh in budapest, he's
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a podcast or the guy which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bobby. he is a political adolescent editor. it is me internet media project, hard gentleman, cross talk roles and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. i mean, let's go to georgia in budapest. well, georgia, russia always seems to be in the news one way or another. but it's an, it isn't a very different way. this time. vladimir putin, the russian president, penned to very, very long article, a very studied article. i would say about the relationship that russia has with ukraine. now it's a, it's that the kremlin dot r u website. it's in english, ukrainian, and of course, russian. it is a vocal enormous outcry and discussion and obviously criticism here. why did he write this article? what's it about and who was directed to go ahead? well, i think the reason he wrote the article is that he is very concerned about the recent
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development of the, particularly since my diamond 2014, mainly the use of ukraine as a battering ram against russia. and there's no sign of a bating, whoever is in the white house is continued to be used. and he wants to place in historic context this has gone on for quite a long time, russia and ukraine, the russians in the ukrainian people all want people argue that before and, but however, have been times in the past. when outside powers have sought to separate the russians in the ukrainians a particularly to use the ukrainian or russian, you mention the poles. and then of course he went on to the big one which is austria, hungary and german in upper last year, 100 in germany. essentially created ukraine in the world.
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and what's happening now is a continuation of this effort. and he really emphasizes again and again as he has done the pool that he will not tolerate what nato's use of ukraine as basically kind of a forward base from which to but the launch stacks will subvert russia. and that's really what he's, he's concerned with is just simply, russia will not accept this use of ukraine by nature regard that as an existential threat. ma, what was the threat to because, you know, there's, there's a number of theories out there. i mean, i think there are 3, i think it was directed to obviously the russian people. it was also directed to russians within the us, auburn ukraine right now. and also i think is george's mentioned here is a signal to the west, the ukraine as very special significance, the russians, nath,
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clarity and certain things will not be tolerated. go ahead or i think it was primarily written for the people of your brain at large. not only irrational, but also radiance will also suffer because of this terrible situation. i don't think, would you expect that any kind of reception, any kind of constraint is reception from the premium government? he actually said right before, i can budget code that you agree and people are not hostile to russia. they're ukrainian leadership. now, unfortunately, certainly foster russia and they're very responsible, 18 years or president landscape to this article shows that which was not from, you know, just said i will read, it might have time. and he, he drove something about, you know, russia and ukraine has been brother, he's drunk about kind an apple. and he said that i know i see what mr. put in is
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the wasting his time was instead of meeting me though, basically different than what he had to say when he was campaigning for the ukrainian presidency as you're printing. well, you certainly usually ask expect ations because everyone knew that he was a russian speaker. i mean, he is coming to cobb, his company made money on jokes in russian they all the that would be formed in ukrainian. and the people expected him because he is from ukraine, from cri were wrong. people expected him to be sensitive to the sentiments, always ukrainians, but it's not the 1st time that it's happened. so i mean, coachman problem is to make russian official language and you create, i mean the 2nd official language and he received a, he is electorate in the east after that basically young,
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which promised the same. and he didn't do anything almost being and to, to fulfill the expectations of his electorate. so in that sense, jillions is not very different from the previous president, but that, you know, the bad side with the was i do it is the walk and, and i think we can wait until right in this article where he basically says the trash and you're bringing people he has been wage and because he hoped that these feeling this sentiment would express itself in ukraine. but now when you have a drink calling in language rules in ukraine, basically prohibiting the public use russian language. when all the movies have to be docked and ukrainian imagined, you know, you live in canada and then somebody says, 1st you can't watch american movies for the us say, which say something good about police. and on the 2nd, all the movies through the us say will be dumped by our f, this with a thief. so awesome, excellent. how would people kind of re, it's
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a prejudice and you know, after 5 years and finally decided it was time to speak out and you know what, what, what, what i find very interesting is that, okay, when you said that you agree, isn't russian. so on people and immediate you the reaction, the west was like, oh, this is a sign of the period is this is so dangerous, you know, mrs. merkel met by the, in the washington you know, last week. and she, as they said, the chinese and me and rush, he's an enemy and this is no dangerous. this is not, you know, basically, you know, by the said that we will not allow china to undermine all been free society, which open free society did shine the destroy the united states. and you will buy subordinate, co in 2014, destroyed and open democratic society green, you know,
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it is no longer your credit is suffering that they will tell you. and these people never apologized for their course. they never do in georgia when i think it's very interesting here is that let me approach it with, with great detail and a lot of research and time. and i've been told we actually wrote it to but this is a family issue that is talking about here. when you look at, when you look at western policy makers, i think we from nato countries, there interesting you, crane or ukrainian is scant best because you'll be created from, from the western perspective is a cudgel and burn the russian side. you know, i've always told this to people, for many russians, ukraine is not a foreign policy issue. it's a domestic policy issue because of the familial relations they have people's relationship to the dom bout and even further into the hinterland of ukraine. and that's why it's so very important to russian for the west. it's just an idea. it's
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a policy, it's a cultural. go ahead. yes. hello, that's exactly the point. and that's the point that makes again and again in this article that western now and he says the western part, the sensitive run your grade. i mean ukraine doesn't be have any sober and it is mostly because it is run out of washington and brussels. their only interest in ukraine is as a way of just pushing russia to the east of eliminating all russian influence out of europe altogether. which is why they're also interested in bella rhodes. i mean was the scenario that they played out in 2014, in, in my dance, they want to play out the bellows, the bellows. ukraine will be incorporated within the navy. so you, camp and russia will be just gone and that's the job to go. so they have no interest at all in your grade. the evidence of that is that,
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look at the disaster that ukraine has experienced this many 14th. i mean they last year, as you said in this article, it doesn't look to me like interested in getting done backpacks. so they're almost the last the dumbass as well. native in the year care less. i mean, let's be counter intuitive if they really, really, really cared. they would bring it into the alliance like, but it wouldn't be because of the savings of the, of ukrainian people when it's democratic experience. and when they call it, be the revolution of dignity. you know, but they don't in that is really, that's the answer. it has nothing to do with ukraine. what do you mean? because it seems to me, again, it was really, they had interest in ukraine. i mean, they never had interest in the people of yugoslavia that had nothing to do with it . they don't care about the people of syria, but they're there. they don't care about the people in iraq, but they stayed there and then they don't care about the people of afghanistan. and there are still some that want to stay there or find a way to stay there. again,
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these are all countries go ahead. well, i don't know, maybe they are deceiving themselves. i mean, that the nation build us in washington. they don't, they don't want to have good results. but look, look at the fruit. ok. bushnell is now even worse than indeed in the eyes, or what kind of do you dislike. i mean, the privatization, more than disaster, you can only use off the area. you know, ukraine in the 1st year after my don it's g b, i mean big school grania and doug boss, but the g d p. all the areas which remained ukrainian and this is 97 percent of the korean territory. the g. p a fell almost 10 percent because ukraine cop always, almost always economic. the russia left their free trade zone with russia embrace the european union. european union did not allow them to do its markets. so it's a tragedy, but also geopolitically. i think job politically, it's
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a lose lose situation for everyone in the national interest. you know, nice, i petrol, wrote an article headlines, how to break the cultural read walk and ukraine and eco, petro writes, and then basically it rushes great shift eastward as he calls. and i mean, embrace and trying to get some quotes for training. it was an enormous push when, when the last undermined young or rich and basically lives always be displayed, made ukraine and then russia. by, by the way, which is article, if you look at the gist of it, he says that we agree that ukraine is a sovereign state. by the way, i have to a little bit argue with the georgia, i think, austria hungary in, nor grade ukraine. i mean, even push control about your grade in the early 19th century, but they certainly did create militant anti ration. ukrainian national identity did
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not exist in the 1900, but they created independence. they didn't. ok. i mean, anyway, there was a short period after that, lucian, when the ukraine was basically ruled by you nationalists about the identity. i mean, the type over a 1000000 to bring in there says yes, it was created by, by hundreds basically said that we have your grade isn't it doesn't, we don't want to be russia. we won't accept or break. we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with the ah, the me the whatever
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the long when i was the wrong one, all just don't the rule out these days because the after an engagement equals the trail. when so
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many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground in the ultimate cross topler. all things are considered peter la bell. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real names. ah let's go back to georgia in budapest. well, england, merkel, georgia is finally finally leaving the political stage. you know, i have to admit, i had a lot more hope for her in the beginning. mostly for the reason that she comes from eastern germany and i now you play in retrospect,
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i'll be honest with you. thought that you could be more of a bridge bridge for between east and west and i was been proven disastrously wrong . ok. she's been in power a long time and i think she leaves with a pretty scanty legacy about a negative one. go ahead. george. very scanty legacy. it really what she's been about is just staying in power, not making any decisions and trying to have it both ways of old times. so she goes to. 2 washington law stripped washington. 5 and signed a washington declaration with joe biden, which others, the usual nato piety is about democracy and so on. but basically, what's most important, that name is the call of european security. she's actually here. and then she has the insolence to demand that russia continue
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to provide gas via the ukraine route. and so no, no trying to, you know, nothing to do with the use of ukraine as a natural gas. i mean, you know, americans are very ignorant about all of this. they were like, it was germany that had went to the russians and said, we want this stream to a pipeline under the baltic because we are worried about the security of the actual german industry, which is, you know, basic the powers that powerful german economy based on x, well, it doesn't have secure energy, it's a lot of trouble now. she says, well, we're going to hold the russians feet to the fire. well, germany is not in any positions that the russians, you know, where, where and how they get, just send an actual guess. i mean, so tell me about merkle. she does list. so i know too much. she goes off to
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washington and the rates the russians are typical of marco was chancellor when there was the legal change of government in it, but she didn't say a word. did she? ok, i mean, that is why germany wanted pipelines because of e. u. nato policy that just stabilized ukraine, that made a different trans that necessary for joe. so i think that is really one of the most of the greatest failings of her chancellors him. i mean, she bought the ukraine policy. she's trying to save energy policy and it's not germany if you're p and why. ok, so the most again, i thought she came in with great hope and it's this kind of a whimper as she goes out the door. go ahead. well i, unfortunately, i didn't have the same high expectations for her in 2005 when she came to power
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because i speak german and then for the story and for 1003, when i get a truck that had the courage to refuse to go to iraq and medical was against it, you know, just look at the article, look at her speech and i want to start. she said, well, i mean she's kind of so she says something like we have to stay on to all american and british weiss, well, you know, translation to normal human language that we had to go that we had to go with them just like paul did. you know, the breeders did, and that would have been a disaster for drugs. and so i didn't speak patients for her when she came to power 5. but the heart of the food was beyond anything. i would imagine it was. look, what was, you know, europe when she came to power. there were some meetings been russia and the you
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you know, there they quoted me was about and no one dream dollars had night mass about degree crisis, which she handled terribly, you know, basically, recession a lot of private individuals who had money in on their bank accounts. in cyprus, please, greece. no one could imagine a war and you wore in eastern europe. and let's face it. she only did not say what she actually promoted the mind on her foreign minister agreed of esther male. it came and spoke to the so called protest us, who killed 38th ukrainian policeman in the process of this so cool that last that actually almost 5 months between 201314, nico, et cetera. in his article, i think you're very right. you're right, that the west repudiated that the peaceful condition of power which was agreed and which was signed on the 22nd of february,
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2014. immediately after it became clear that critical had a child to seize total control, the west forgot about the supreme. it was medical was the 1st to forget. it was her foreign minister. now the president of germany find was a style she signed this. she guaranteed this agreement between young and their position. and now the western media pretense, it doesn't remember a portion said that they lost the paper. you know, they were when he will have to produce this document which people saw signed on television. you know, we just lost it, i can find that it's the paper. i mean go back to georgia of 2015. we opened the doors, the immigration to europe, and that is, i think that is really the hallmark of history 100 years. now remember her that issue. yes, because of course it was the policy an absolute disaster in itself. but. 2 he led directly to the breast, and i mean, i have not been,
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she hadn't opened the door. the british was none of them to leave you. and that was a huge calamity for you, because it helped fuel the or bon, who hungary, who now all of the europeans, a little tearing their hair, all this horrible, horrible person, you know, creative, you know, he sees on this issue. he was always a nationalist, but this was that this was, you know, meet him, drink room. but it made the thing is, is she the wise, every calamity. i mean, she bungled also. li, the energy policy because she mostly got closed down all the sort of the nuclear power plants. she said, okay, we're going to get rid of all the fossil fuel energy. so then she, which is one of the reasons why you move for this not seem to, and now she essentially goes and blames the russians for something that she did. but the strange thing is,
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is that she has the wible these years. and there you can see the something fundamentally wrong in germany that's listed as the some, the placid complacency, like that just survived and goes on and on in georgia. seems to me it's really interesting and we have the mantra for the establishment of nato, after the 2nd world war and the beginning of the cold war as they keep the americans in the germans down in the russians. thus he is that embodies that, but it's not been necessarily in the national interest of germany or even europe in my mind, me. and so for me, it's a spend force and it's getting negative returns, except for, you know, people making money off of this in western journalism and think tanks and things like that. i mean it's, it's a spent force. it's showing, it's not it's not generating any positive returns of say, with you, george, go ahead. yeah, that's it. and we now look hopefully, well, maybe the next person in away from michael. but chances are the next will be very
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much like michael will try to have it both ways. well, you know, we need good relations. russia with stability europe. we need to stay with the americans. so that kind of revolution follows the of a demon reverse with gaff. schroeder, i make a sort of have got some fresh ideas that, that's not going to happen. i mean, the game, you know, whoever makes man, and he's just going to be yeah, yeah let's, let's next in line speaking. the next person like you and i have talked at great length about how media joker europe's political classes. i think the anglo merkel is the queen, mother of the mediocrity that we see in the, of the political class. go ahead. if you want me to cut the long story short what i dislike about what was the worst thing about her? she is a real, alter liberal, she sticks to that very georgia and that explains all of her favorites. i mean,
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the look at the political scene in germany when she came to power in 2005, no one could imagine that radical parties. she was a 2 parties system where the liberals between them, you know, the christian democrats at social numbers. it looked like it would continue. now we have the furniture for germany, which obviously reflects that opinions of many people in germany, especially good relations with russia and the purely defensive role for nato. but the party has been sidelined, i mean the morocco was the 1st time to say that these people are never going to have any influence on politics whatsoever. so she, she basically, she's a division figure, she's the hillary clinton on germany. that sounds the other thing that george just mentioned there also variable. i mean, she was the more, there are sanctions, again structure that were imposed after 2014 crisis in you and ukraine. they will
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range in cost europe, at least $100000000.00 euros. they want to post more because they keep exchanging the sanctions and during your meetings with the buy them, she basically keeps saying that sanctions need to stay. why should something that doesn't produce? you pointed out why should stay, you know, and also i think she played a very negative role. you know, you know, i represent, you're told that i told you when trump warning tonight, the states as event, you know, the german news is right now, merkel became a sort of leader of the free world because she was so i guess you clip you are and now it's saying, well, she spent for us, we don't need her, she wants to have no extra esteem to. she has been, we know by them is the lead all the pretty well. so guess i don't just group was just dismissive, people, even those was stuff that you're,
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i contest would be my head to say, you know, this can kind of purity your i think that discontent. mediocrity all over the place . modeling through and missed opportunities left and right and create and change to the political landscape of germany while when deem is absolutely right. we have people contesting this ideology and the the establishment. and that's all because of merkel over the last 30 seconds got a huge or there's always been an opportunity for your 2000 independent role between the united states and russia. and, you know, there'll be people like my role on occasion before when i did that, you know, the role to quash anything like that and actually europe into just a slave of all of the united states. okay. i guess i think that will be her legacy. alright. german,
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that's all the time we have want to take my guess here in moscow and in budapest, one i think our viewers for watching is here to see you next time. remember across buckles, ah ah, a. ready ready class, enough person. i mean because of all of the service, it will just be tied. the blue book truly the new phone for the the because it's always more you need to. he's going to repeat usually through which you practice and what gone. yeah. because really new go from the
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