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to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, jordan semi raleigh in budapest, he's a podcast or the guy which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bob, which is a political adolescent editor. if you know me, internet media project or gentleman cross talk roles and pick, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. i mean, let's go to george in budapest. well, george, russia always seems to be in the news one way or another, whether it's an it isn't a very different way this time. vladimir putin, the russian president pen to very, very long article. a very studied article, i would say about the relationship that russia has with ukraine. now it's, it's at the kremlin dot r u website. it's in english, ukrainian, and of course, russian. it is a vocal enormous outcry and discussion and obviously criticism here. why did he write this article, what's it about and who was directed to go ahead?
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well, i think the reason he wrote the article is that he is very concerned about the recent development of the, particularly since the, my dad and 2014 mainly the use of ukraine as a battering ram against russia. there's no sign of a bating, whoever is in the white house is continued to be used and he wants to place in his story context. this has gone on for quite a long time. russia and ukraine, russians in the ukrainian people all want people argue that before and but however, there have been times when outside powers have sought to separate the russians in the ukrainians, and particularly to use the ukrainian or russian. you mention the poles unethical. went on to the, the big one, which is austria, hungary and germ enough for wall street hungry german essentially created ukraine
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in the world. and what's happening now, we've got a continuation of this effort and he really emphasizes again and again as he has done before, that he will not tolerate what nato's use of ukraine as basically the kind of a forward base from which to launch tax will subvert russia. and that's really what he's, he's concerned with these just simply russia will not accept this use of ukraine by nature. regard that as an existential threat. give me a, what would be direct this to because, you know, there's, there's a number of theories out there. i mean, i think there are 3, i think it's directed to the obviously the russian people. it was also directed to russians within the sovereign ukraine right now. and also i think is george's mentioned here is a signal to the west that ukraine as very special significance the russians,
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math will security, and certain things will not be tolerated. go ahead or i think it was primarily read them for the people of your brain at large, not only rational, but also your brains will also suffer because of this terrible situation. i don't think, would you expect that any kind of reception, any kind of constraint is reception from the graham government. he actually said right before, i can recall that you're bringing people are not hostile to russia. they're ukrainian leadership. now, unfortunately, certainly foster russia and they're very responsible, 18 years or president landscape to this article shows that, which was no problem. you know, just you just said i will read. it might have time. and he, he drove something about, you know, russia and ukraine is being brother,
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he's drunk about kind an apple. and he said, no, i see what to put in is the wasting his time on. instead of meeting me well, basically different than what he had to say when he was campaigning for the ukrainian presidency. it's meant that you're printing. well, you certainly ask expect ations because everyone knew that he was a russian speaker. i mean, he is coming to cobb, his company made money on jokes in russian they almost that would be formed in ukrainian. and people expected him because he is from ukraine from cree were wrong . people expected him to be sensitive to the sentiments, always ukrainians. but it's not the 1st time that it's happened. so i mean, coachman problem is to make russian official language and your grade on the 2nd official language. and he received
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a he electorate in the east after that basically young core, which promised the same. and he didn't do anything only thing and to, to fulfill the expectations of here's electra. so in that sense, juliana is not very different from the previous president, but that, you know, the bad side with the was i do it is the walk and, and i think we can wait until writing this article where he basically says the russians and you're bringing people he has been waging because he hoped that these feeling the sentiment would express itself in great. but now when you have a drink calling in language rules in ukraine, basically prohibiting the public use russian language. when all the movies have to be dr. ukrainian imagined, you know, you live in canada and then someone says, 1st you can't watch american movies for the usa, which say something good about police. and on the 2nd, all the movies strong,
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the usa will be dumped by our f. this with a thief. so awesome. excellent, know, how would people kind of do it? it's a prejudice and you know, after 5 years which and finally decided it was time to speak out and you know what, what, what i, what i find very interesting is that, okay, would you say that you agree in some direction? so on people and immediately the reaction in the west was like, oh this is a sign will be period is this is so dangerous, you know, mrs. merkel met by them in the washington, you know, last week. and she, and they said the chinese and i, me, and rush, he's an enemy and this is not dangerous. this is local style. you know, basically, you know, by the said that we will not allow china to undermine open free society, which open free society did china destroy the united states. and you will buy
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subordinate co in 2014 destroyed. and the open democratic society of ukraine. you know, it is no longer due mckorick suffered in a terrible, and these people never apologized for that course they never do in georgia. what i think it's very interesting here is that let me approach it with, with great detail and a lot of research in time. and when i've been told we actually wrote it to but this is a intro family issue. the need is talking about here. when you look at, when you look at western policymakers, i think we from nato countries, there interest, then you crane or ukrainian is scan to the best. because your brain is from, from the western perspective as a cudgel. edburg heard the russians. i mean, i've always told this to people, for many russians, ukraine is not a foreign policy issue. it's a domestic policy issue because of the familial relations they have people's
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relationship to the dom bout and even further into the hinterlands of ukraine. and that's why it's so very important to russian for the west. it's just an idea. it's a policy, it's a cultural. go ahead. yeah. so that's, that's exactly the point. and that's a point that makes the gain of the game in this article that the western and he says the western part essentially run your grade. i mean, your brain doesn't be have any sober and it the moment because it is run out of washington. busy and brussels, their only interest in ukraine is as a way of just pushing russia to the east of eliminating all russian influence out of europe altogether. which is why they're also interested in bella rhodes. i mean, what was the scenario that they played out in 2014, in, in my dance, they want to play out the bellows, the bellows. ukraine will be incorporated within the so the need so you can
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rush will be just gone. and that's the job to go, so they have no interest at all in your approach. and the evidence of that is that, look at the disaster. ukraine has experience just one of the 14th. i mean they last year, as you said in this article, it doesn't look to me like interested in getting dumbass back, so they're almost lost the dumbass as well. native in the you could care less. i mean, let's be counter intuitive if they really, really, really cared. they would bring it into the lions like, but it wouldn't be because of the savings of the, of ukrainian people and it's democratic experience. and when they call it the, the revolution of dignity, you know, but they don't in that is really, that's the answer. it has nothing to do with ukraine. what do you mean? because it seems to me, again, it was really, they had interest in ukraine. i mean, they never had interest in the people of yugoslavia that had nothing to do with it . ok, they don't care about the people of syria, but they're there. they don't care about the people in iraq, but they stayed there,
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and then they don't care about the people of afghanistan and there are still some there. want to stay there or find a way to stay there. again, these are all countries go ahead. well, i don't know, maybe they, i'd seen themself. i mean that the nation build us in washington. they don't, they don't want to have good results. but look, look at the fruit. ok. bushnell is now even worse than indeed in the dives. or what kind of you to florida? i mean, the privatization, more than just after you can only use off the area. you know, you grain in the 1st year after my don, it's g d b, i mean big school grania and dog boss, but the g d p all the areas which remained ukrainian and this is 97 percent of the korean territory. the g p. a felt almost 10 percent because ukraine cop always, almost always economic price, the russia, it left their free trade zone with russia embrace the european union. the european
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union did not allow them to do its markets. so it's a tragedy yet, but also geopolitically. i think joe, politically, it's a lucy tree for everyone in the national interest. you know, need somebody petrol, wrote an article, had learned how to break the code to read walk and ukraine. and nico petro writes, and that basically it rushes great shift eastward, as he calls. and i mean, embrace in china and gave them all the content. it was an enormous push when, when the west undermines young, orange, and basically lives always be to speak, made ukraine and then russia by, by the way, which is article, if you look at the just do it. he says that we agree that ukraine is a sovereign state. by the way, i have to a little bit argue with the georgia. i think austria hungary not create ukraine. i mean, even push control about your grade in the early 19th century,
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but they certainly did create militant anti ration. ukrainian nation. that identity did not exist in the ninety's, but they created an independence. they didn't. ok, i mean, anyway, there was a short period after that, lucian, when the ukraine was, but basically ruled by you nationalists about the identity and the type over a 1000000 to bring in there. yes, it was created by, by hundreds basically said that we have your grade, isn't it? because we don't want to be russia. we won't accept or break. we'll continue our discussion on some real and stay with the ah, rather driven by shaped by 10 percent of those.
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in me, there's thing we dare to ask in all drugs nodded as a way to combat a great problem. what's the wonder? it's part of the attitude of the nation, not just of north dakota, and it got to be something that you could get elected. this time, the fight against drugs took a tragic, told us that andrew was competing short form. this is way too dangerous for him to be doing. clearly they put him in harm's way. a rural college
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student does interest get shot in the head and found in the river like something else to be happening. ah, ah, the eastern half of the united states were going to have billions, if not trillions of periodical cicada is interacting with tens of millions of human beings in their backyard. oh, my god. obviously some of the cicadas do not have very high tolerance for alcohol because they are already passing out are 6 minutes to 400. i mean, that's very satisfying. and
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showing me every day on the alex sermon show, i'll be speaking to guess in the world. the politic sport business. i'm show business. i'll see you then in the ultimate across topler. all things are considered. peter labelle, this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real names the let's go back to georgia in budapest, well, anglo merkel. georgia is finally finally leaving the political stage. you know, i have to admit, i had a lot more hope for her in the beginning. mostly for the reason that she comes from eastern germany and i now you play in retrospect,
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i'll be honest with you. thought that you could be more of a bridge, a beach for between east and west, and i was been proven disastrously wrong. ok. she's been in power a long time and i think she leaves with a pretty scanty legacy about a negative one. go ahead. george. very scanty legacy. it really what she's been about is just staying in power, not making any decisions and trying to have it both ways of old times. so she goes to. 2 washington law trip to washington. 5 and sign a washington declaration with joe biden, which others, the usual nato pious is about democracy and so on. but basically, what's most important is that the name is the call of european security that she's actually appears to that. and then she has the insolence to demand that
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russia continue to provide a gas via the ukraine route. and so no, no, trying to nothing to do with the use of ukraine as a natural gas. i mean, you know, americans are very ignorant about all of this. they were like, it was germany that had went to the russians and said, we want this stream to a pipeline under the baltic because we are worried about the security of the actual german industry, which is, you know, basic the powers that power german economy. you know, based on x, well, if it doesn't have secure energy, it's a lot of trouble now. she says, well, we're going to hold the russian, speak to the west. germany is not in any positions. it's all the russians. you know where, where and how they get just send the natural gas. i mean, so,
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so let me muggle to the list. so i know too much. it goes off to washington and the rates the russians. a typical of marco was chancellor when there was the illegal change of government in, but she didn't say a word. did she? ok, i mean, that is why germany wanted pipelines because of e u. nato policy that just stabilized ukraine, that made a different trans that necessary for joe. so i think that is really one of the most of the greatest failings of her chancellor's hip. i mean, she botched the ukraine policy. she's trying to save energy policy and it's not germany if you're p and why. ok, so the most again, i thought she came in with great hope and it's this kind of a, a whimper as she goes out the door. go ahead. well i, unfortunately, i didn't have the same high expectations for in 2005 when she came to power because
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i speak german and then for the story and 2003. when john. so i guess i tried that had the courage to refuse to go to iraq. and miracle was against it. you know, just look at the article, look at her speech and the bone stuck. she said, well, i mean she's coming so she says something like, we have to stay loyal to all american and british weiss, well, you know, translation to normal human language. there. we had to go that we had to go with them just like falls dade, you know, the breakers did, and that would have been a disaster for drugs. and so i didn't speak patients for her when she came to power into 1005. but the hosp, the full was beyond anything, i would imagine it was. look, what was you know, europe when she came to power. there were on family meetings. we've been russia and the you, you know,
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there they quoted me was about and no one dream dollars had night mass about degree crisis, which she handled terribly, you know, basically dispossession a lot of private individuals who had money in on their bank accounts in cyprus, lease greece, no one could imagine a war and you war in eastern europe. and let's face it. not only did not say what she actually promoted, the might done who her foreign minister of esther male. it came and spoke to the so called protest us, who killed 38th ukrainian policeman in the process of this, sol, cool. the last that actually almost 5 months between 20152014, nico, et cetera. in his article, i think you're very right. you're right that the west repudiated the peaceful condition of power which was agreed and which was signed on the 22nd of february,
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2014. immediately after it became clear that credit goes credit check to see is total control. the west forgot about the supreme it was america was the 1st to forget that it was her foreign minister. now the president of germany find stein my . she signed this. she guarantees this agreement between yano and their position. and now the western media pretense, it doesn't remember, it portion said that they lost the paper. you know, they were when he was asked to produce this document, which people saw a sign on television. you know, we just lost it. i can find that it's the paper i mean go back to georgia of 2015. they opened the doors to immigration to europe. that is, i think that is really the hallmark of history 100 years. now remember her that issue? yes. because of course, it was the policy, an absolute disaster in itself, but he led directly to the breast. and i mean, i have not been,
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she hadn't opened the door. the british will not leave you. and that was a huge calamity for you, because it helped fuel the or bon, who hungary, who now all of the europeans, a little tearing their hair, all this horrible, horrible person. you help creative, he sees on this issue. it was always a nationalist, but this was that this was, you know, meet them, drink, and it made the thing is, is that she lives every calamity. i mean, she bungled also. li, the energy policy because she mostly got to close down all the sort of the nuclear power plant. she said, ok, we're going to get rid of all the fossil fuel energy so that she, which is one of the reasons why should move for this not stream to and now she essentially goes and blames the russians for something that she did. but the strange thing is, is that she has the wible these years and there you can see the something
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fundamentally wrong in germany this, this was the, some was placid complacency, like that just wise and goes on and on. if you're just seems to me, it's really interesting and we have the mantra for the establishment of nato, after the 2nd world war and the beginning of the cold war as the keep the americans in the germans down in the russians. us. she is. that embodies that, but it's not been necessarily in the national interest of germany or even europe in my mind. me. and so for me, it's a spend force and it's getting negative returns, except for, you know, people making money off of this in western journalism and think tanks and things like that. i mean it's, it's a spent force. it's showing, it's not it's not generating any positive returns, say with you george, go ahead. yeah, that's it. and we now look hopefully, well, maybe the next person in away from michael. but chances are the next will be very
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much like michael will try to have it both ways. well, you know, we, we need good relations. russia with stability or. 6 we need to stay with the americans, so that kind of revolution policy and a demon reverse with gal schroeder, i make a sort of have got some fresh ideas that that's not going to happen. i mean, the game, you know, whoever makes me am just going to be yeah, yeah let's, let's just been an expert in line. speaking up the next person like dimmer. you and i have talked at great length about how media oaker europe's political class is. i think the anglo merkel is the queen, mother of the mediocrity that we see in the, of the political class. go ahead. if you want me to cut the long story short what i dislike about her, what was the worst thing about her? she is a real altering liberal. she sticks to that very georgia and that explains all of her favorites. i mean, the look at the political scene in germany when she came to borrowing 2005. no one
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could imagine that radical parties would be. she was a 2 parties system where the liberals between them, you know, the christian democrats and social members. it looked like it would continue. now we have the furniture for germany, which obviously reflects bunions of many people in germany, especially a good relations with russia and the purely defensive role for nato. but this party has been sidelined, i mean the morocco was the 1st time to say that these people are never going to have any influence on pointed to whatsoever. so she, she basically, she's a division of figure. she's a hillary clinton on germany. that sounds the other thing that george just mentioned there also variable. i mean, she was the motor of sanctions against structure that were imposed after 2014 crisis in you. in ukraine, they will raise your cost europe,
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at least 100000000 euros. they want to post more because they keep exchanging these sanctions and during your meetings with the buy them, she basically keeps saying that sanctions need to stay. why should something that doesn't produce? you pointed out why should state, you know, and also i think she played a very negative role. you know, you know, i represent the whole that i georgia when trump warning tonight, the states as event, you know, the german news ranking know merkle became a sort of leader of the free world because she was, so i go to sleep. you are and now it's saying, well, she spent for mental need her. she wants to have no extra steam to. she had been with, you know, by them is the lead or the free will use. i don't just go, it was just dismissed. the people, even though it was stuff that you're,
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i would contest would be my head to say, you know, this can kind of a purity here. i think just complete mediocrity all over the place. modeling through and missed opportunities left and right and create and change to the political landscape of germany while when demons. absolutely right. we have people contesting this ideology and the the establishment. and that's all because of merkel over the last 30 seconds. got a huge or yeah, there's always been an opportunity for your 2000 independent role between the united states and russia. and you know, there have been people like my role on occasion because i'll take it later that you know, the role of a, to quote, anything like that and actually europe into just a slave us of all of the united states. okay. i guess i think that will be her legacy or a gym and that's all the time we have. want to take my guess here in moscow and in
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budapest, one i think our viewers for watching is here to see you next time. remember across those ah ah, a. ready ready launch crunch class. enough person i knew christabel often the song said it was just the blue book truly. i don't want the the because it's always more you need to. he's going to contribute usually. so which and practice and what gone. yeah. because really new go from the
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moment that she's a mac or when you need to bring in somebody welcome to none of my new middle charts. that exam on the the war on drugs started as a way to come back. a great problem. what's the wonder? it's part of the attitude of the nation, not just of north dakota, and it's got to be something that you could get elected. this time, the fight against drugs took a tragic, told us that andrew was competing short form. this is way too dangerous for him to be doing. clearly they put him in harm's way. a rural college
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