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q, ms. finished the revolutions over. thank you for having me. first of all, yes, good to be here in london where? yes, i can see the coverage of international news has shifted. i think it's a bit different from what it was a few years ago. and i think sometimes there's not enough perspectives from the south, especially in america and in terms of cuba. so historic change that's happening. lou, bolivia, brazil, chile hall, looked up to cuba in many ways as a leader of the revolution. and none of the events and phenomena movements and latin america that are occurring now would happen without the leadership of cuba historically. so we are very anxious to see what is going to happen in cuba. i think there's the bar was the major or the major reason for the crisis in cuba, historically in the last few decades. but i think we also have to admit that the human economic model has failed to,
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as soon as it extend to for some people inside cuba. and we have to be a little bit self critical as well. and maybe to see what other pathways are to get out of that more asked, in a sense, i think what's happening in south america on the left will be possible avenue for change and improvement in cuba as well. because of the economic transition. tours, for example, green energy. there are, they're happening and truly believe the argentine in terms of lithium. for example, when i actually wait, i'll get to lithium in a 2nd. but you mentioned those other countries. and of course, you're referring to to us in bolivia, maybe the return of lula in bolivia, in brazil, the latin american superpower in next year. you don't think washington is looking at that very closely. the fact that this so called return to the pink tide is going to help cuba let alone all those countries. and washington has to exert something more muscular to use
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a terrible job about lib liberal intervention. i mean, you, miami, may or saying as strikes and needed like yugoslavia thought, inconceivable. i mean, we know that this has happened in many countries and recently i think it's possible there might be more muscular intervention. there was also the case of the mercenaries in haiti and recently and, and also in bolivia last year with some of that was covered recently by the intercept. so as told and that's not impossible. and i think that us is really making a mistake in still to get a hard line stance towards a lot of this progressive government. so america, by insisting on the language of discourse, human rights, et cetera, when in fact some of what's happening in the american now is really not the violation of human rights. it's actually progressive movements and ideas that ought to be given the respect they deserve. sovereign countries, so definitely the us taking no, of course the trumpet instruction was it was worse,
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but i think even with biting, we see again it's going to moralizing view that in the end hurts both sides most in america. and i think in the long heard, saw us american interests as well echoed in the so called mainstream media, or are they chastened by the fact they fail to overthrow the venezuelan government? i mean, one guy do is been to london in downing street with boris johnson bars. johnson is explicit that he wants the over the role of the current venezuela government. yes, again, this is something that even in the u. s. i would say, 1st of all, they us tend to ignore, look in america and, and that's a big mistake. obviously there's the immigration test will be the major reason why we talk about a lot in america in the u. s. and there's a lack of economic integration, cultural integration. the whole idea of the us is exceptional and difference. i think that's, that's a major law of the thinking of some understanding of americans. when inside the u.
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s. has a lot of commonalities with latin america as opposed to legal society with racial divisions and diversity in the presidential system. so all these similarities ought to be emphasized as opposed to being minimized and. and so that creates a risks. and this is reflected in foreign policy, i think the u. s. has to take a much more self reflective perspective and to change its position, but definitely buying a sort of more muslims progression is always on the table when it comes to american foreign policy. so we have to be very aware of that. and i think the only way that i can stop is by pressuring from outside and from within a thanks to people like bernie sanders and others who are more progressive might be able to persuade president, bite him to take the road. but what, i'm sure, you know, i'm not sure how often they, they meet in spanish. i mean, you're an expert on lithium. what do you say to the bolivian president incumbent
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luis us about lithium? i mean, you heard a lot musk, a pioneer of electric cars powered on lithium. we all carry lithium in our mobile phones. in almost said we will, qu, whoever we one, no evidence that he was behind the jenny in the us back. who would, i mean, how, how do you advise louise us to run bolivia in the face of one of the riches people are not saying we can qu, he won't. so that was a very controversial estate, i think ultimately does mainly self promotion for only moscow. just to get and get into news. this is something provocative. there hasn't been anything directly involved in linking him to the cool. but this kind of off the cuff cowboys, kind of the statement i think is really dangerous because that has created a lot of animosity in bolivia towards the us and towards american companies. i
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think it's possible to repair that damage if you have an alternative kind of been your interpreter of leadership within the us who are going to respect bolivian laws and the believe in people and come to work with bolivia as partners. and so one thing i advise the lease says that he should work with anybody. it could be china, russia, the u. k. in the us. but they have to respect the laws and the people in bolivia that's, that's a 1st thing. and they have to have some idea of war believe what's the history the, what's the sort of, indigenous community, what are the weather like? you can just come in and take the lithium. so i think which is very much open to working with anybody as long as they respect the fact that it's a national national resources, it's going to be privatized. but companies can come in and work to help extract the lithium and commercialize it until it the best way that will help bolivia minimized poverty, but also improve its position geopolitically. and it's such a big resource, the lithium resource and believe it well just so you need
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a beautiful soul lake and you know, would, should be protected, of course, for environmental and tourism reasons, but it's extremely large. and so it's kind of a win win situation for the world. you know, the whole world is for sure to green energy, and bolivia is gonna be key. the crucial elements and in this transition. so it has to be done in a way that respect the sovereignty of bolivia and defy they can all be privatized, past efforts, propositional gas and water in bolivia, which lead to basically the rise of their motor move morales, the american and oil just have to learn from that and avoid stop going to be insisting on that. so i think it's possible to do that. i think with us that we have a more pragmatic technocratic approach to politics over the left. and i think again, any negotiation with technocratic, usually rings on alarm bells in latin america, we can see what happened to ecuador, but i mean, even in the past few days, nescafe is reportedly worried about your new state owned coffee initiatives. the
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europe in union did not back morale as is allegations that there will be in the us back who and now it's condemning the detention of this alleged d. c. washington proxy jeanine on the as i mean, i'm the catholic church as well. i think is condemning it. i mean, do you don't tell the president the no country with resources that internationally desired in the global south last long? well, i mean, we're hoping that that's not always going to be the case so we can, we can be for the listing. i think we have to think that maybe this is the one time they're going to change history. of course, historically, right. this is happened all over the world from iran to cuba, to julia sarah. but i think we're to be optimistic. i think we have to be craddick men who started word doesn't meant privatization means more, more free markets. but the way that researches approaching it is yes, we can be,
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have socialist countries, navigate in a world of capital markets to its own benefit. and perhaps from their most blogs in which countries can corporate and acquire more sovereignty and to be able to deal with major countries are much more equal playing field. how prepared is government for the onslaught of so called mainstream media nato nations attacks on maybe you personally met alone, the president, let alone the currency, let alone, perhaps us back to nature back terrorism, which we have seen in latin america over the decades. especially worried about what happened last year with the mercenaries coming from the u. s. and that was stopped . and this is something that came out last year was recently reported by the intercept on the guardian, etc. but this can happen at any moment. it's again,
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we need all allies within the u. s. within america to help us communicate better. i think it's the risk that we have to take, but very rarely do we have such resources like lithium, for example, that can be transformative for, for bolivia. and it has to be managed in a way that will provide health and education for everybody and should not be for a benefit for a particular regional bolivia has to be for everybody. so i think it's, it's a difficult process or this liberal task, but we have to be optimistic. there's another alternative. and i think again, finally have partners from anywhere in the world. but insisting that we have to be equal partners who cannot be simply giving away the resources and the media in the us basically, we were non existent in america space and non existence of america, especially especially mainstream media. so i doubt that's going to change. so it's really important to have alternative sources of information. and so that's something that we need to keep building. and to again explain what is the bully
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model. socialism is it's a different model from cuba. it's different from, from the previous cases, from it as well. it's re acknowledged a successful model during the period growth or at least 5 percent every year. it's reduction of poverty by more than 30 percent. so it's not the kind of popular socialism that we've seen before and many other countries. and i think it can be a sorry for the rest of the less when movements in america that we are seeing now the result of the constituents, the nuclear station in for chile, the protest in columbia, i think they are taking a cue from bolivia. they're learning from the national model, bolivia, it's a new model that people should know about. and it's something that can benefit again, many, many sectors of society and it's not just for one, industry, etc. so i think we have to do a good job in transitioning from gas to, to lose him. so that's a general try to i'm seeking to advise president our so on ga ga,
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kind of thank you. thank you very much player. after the break from sanctions to was to climate change, we ask the chief economist of the us, food and agriculture organization. if the goal of ending world hunger by 2013 as possible at all in the face of us had germany all the small coming up and bought 2 of going undergrad. the question president, why don't we put in it's a long article on russia and ukraine to say it is a lot of response also so long angela murphy, germany long serving chancellor. what will be her last like ah, me, eastern half of the united states. we're going to have billions,
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if not trillions of periodical cicada is interacting with tens of millions of human beings in their back yard. oh my god. obviously some of the cicadas do not have very high tolerance for alcohol because they are already passing out or 6 minutes before hundreds of i mean that's very satisfying. ok, welcome back. in part one, we looked at the effect of us sanctions joining a global pandemic on cuba and latin america. well, today a report is published by the un on the stage of food security in nutrition in the world. but is there any chance of achieving the goal of eliminating world hunger by 2030 in the face of us sanctions and was in the extractive nature of global capital
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. joining me now from room is the chief economist of you and food and agriculture organisation maximo, to rarer who co authored the report. thank you so much. maxima for coming on here in london were treated to pictures one so called mainstream media. richard branson, billionaires going to space? the u. s. fed says the american households at 13 trillion to their savings, the u. k. resolution foundation. say 7800 pounds richer. the house owners here in london, your report, 800000000 not being able to feed themselves. yeah. is that i think the 1000000 people more than interview 19 are growing and the nurse so iteration is hugely challenging. but that does not mean that we don't have a beginning, and that's what we try to raise his report. so the report is trying to bring up that they did numbers and especially on trying to show they exacerbation of the
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drivers which are normally climate conflict as low down and down terms of 19 how that's what the situation in one of the highest spike in the last 2 decades of, of increase of chronic under nourishment in the world. exactly. they're all recommendations. it's not just oh, they're all these people that have be more impoverished by corona virus. would you say that loans paid to the debt pre payments to the i m f. and so one of contributed as well? no, no i think what, what we are facing a and the ration because because of my team it's basically because of the log down . not so long time period has been extended for a new computer. and that has that correlate on on the, on the, the grease and the beatles. and therefore on recession economy position. so that economy has created up, roll him off at the foot. people don't having enough income to be able to access
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the book. so that's the challenge we're facing right now, and that is clearly reflected in the numbers we were observing. now in the numbers we're looking at also, we see that there are some prices and that there's also a link to your, to your initial belongs to america, which is mostly middle high income country is one of the regions which is the most effective. and the reason for this is because that america is usually an informal economy, 55.2 percent. in average countries go up to 70 percent looking formality like now if you're in an informal economy where you don't have access to health insurance, you don't have access to employment insurance. and you don't have access to those acuity and economy low flow. in some countries more than a year then all. busy these informal economy stop the economy activities and therefore before the middle class now you become in poverty. nice people because they don't have to cash anymore because. ready they don't have any going to get to be, so i have to think it all in the world. so it's more than just because of the payment
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of loans. it's a more complex problem. of course, there is a driver's stock drivers. i want to read that, and these were the ones that was referring before climate change conflict. most of the only thing for the emergency are in conflict areas in africa and also as load on some boundaries of multi affecting is low down on down. yeah, i want to explore some of those issues of conflict in a moment, but britain obviously has had the greater numbers at food banks. we've had campaigns by football or mark as rash. would you be able to retain free school meals as regards food insecurity in britain? why so little about countries like britain, which is facing food insecurity level in the united states, where tonight, what $40000000.00 more than 40000000 because of covert will not be able to eat without handouts from the u. s. government. yeah, but that one of those countries is that they are formal it the same as easily. they
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stopped because of their locked down, but employees still get their unemployment insurance. and when they are over the years of unemployment insurance, they will get. so there's a good which is no it under really, but it will get resources in informal economy. you don't have that. ok. on the u. k . and others have been able to mobilize, their full band comes on to be able to solicit youth. they affect of the closures of the schools where it gets used to me, but that has not been enough, although the depletion in those countries is not as romantic other situation we're facing the nature of asia, africa, and america. now countries like, for example, now we're able to expand their cash transfer program enormously. you will see that today, official numbers show that. busy they have been being reviewed as a result of 19 but it will look at putting security. it has increased. what he's telling us, again, it's really nothing borders of the informal economy,
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which in brazil were partially middle classic women, which are, are eating their conditions in terms of higher, not did moving into poverty. and they transferred, were only targeted to put it through the cash transfer program, but it didn't affect the newport possibly insecurity that were more barrier when and people that were to know what else support you're ready. but it, because of the informality that to be in effect. so that those point between putting security and the effect of funds for programs which shows that also targeting has been a problem in the policy being implemented. so you want to recommend to those countries where the most people are starving systems of food distribution and health insurance. i presume you don't necessarily mean private health insurance and social care insurance. you want to recommend to those countries? what is obviously failing in the richer countries? no, i'm not saying what i am saying is that there are 2. we're going to want to take into
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account. first. i think that you need to have better data. and we were claiming for the, for the beginning of the 19 that we need to invest in week, sorry to be able to find a new hot spot of wood in security. because clearly they didn't last, not a typical problem. i think only the poorest of the poor, he was going to create a new, a new, a new post, what's up with the security? and that's something that can be done. we did for several countries in africa and we're able to support governments. and the 2nd number that i am saying is that we need to find in the solutions, the reusing for money. for example, sometimes it's like a video. they chose options of level relation, which is more adjustable to that is on the culture. if you make the legislation more flexible and formalize those people taking into account at this analogy, you can feel they're working calendar and therefore you can give them. so you can give them intro. so those are the good things that which will be discussing trans, private or public doesn't have an issue that we need to learn from best practices
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around the world. how much say that? that's key actually the public private debate. what about the effect of us sanctions? because we heard earlier about the effect on cuba more than 30 countries, the united states sanctions, britain, sanctions, various countries were following the washington consensus that increased hunger, george encoded the continuing sanction, say, against venezuela or iran, and so on. so i will, in the case of, of let me separate the 2 types of corners. one is it will look up around q and we look around the 80 for in the case of katie, which to a huge political crisis because of the nation of the pricing. but katie had more than 50 percent of their population already on chronic on the nurse. and these have been accept the rated even more and the political and really making things worse. in the case of it, we look at the island estate's q, for example, q before because we didn't have cases up on the nourishment. it was already. busy
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there was no hunger if you ok. apparently now have shown those kinds of problems 30 percent of what they important. they don't have access to currency and they are starting to face of course, if they will just bring in some political problems. so for sure, there are some political context picking them and avoiding them to have that type of fax it to they currently they. ready need to have a mentor sanctions there. i'm going to say at all, i'm not going through that. i'm not going to write. okay, well i think some people will be surprised that your so outspoken in this report about israel restrictions are movement in palestine. how did you come to the conclusion, the restrictions on movement of people and goods are affecting food security for children in balance? don't know that they access it and they have
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a lovely so they are not wanting to access, which i was reverend before, which is if i have enough income to be able to get it. but if you have enough ink and you have some income and you don't have a legal foot, that's a big problem. and that's where restrictions are. mobility are great and they got the rates dissipation even more. because in the prices even to start with the increase mobility or who the center and that is also a short trade versus what kind of thing was happening because a lot of our position is trade. these eventually you move foot from one location to where there is no foot, you bring throat from other locations internationally and even within the same country. and obviously, sanctions contribute to the stoppage of trade and food insecurity. i think that's we kind of obvious you talk about conflict time and time again in this report. the importance of conflict join cove. it, do you think it helped when joe biden bombed syria and iraq just in the past few weeks that help foods insecurity. israel, of course has been bobbing syrian high. you have
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a yeah. i got referred to as we have and maybe as we showing the report is that countries in conflict like german and all the countries in conflict, they accessories even more than the norris meant the push. so where we saw in the report is that when you have company and you have another driver that's like like just low downs and numbers, which can be for sure will grade that your situation is the fact that right, that the remote. so again, it's important because conflict is one of the major drivers of the content. we try and put crisis. so why didn't you recommend any recommendation unless the end of the arms trade with britain, of course is supplying weaponry falling on yemen. you have a big sectional in yemen. why is that not your, these are report better elements integrating money in development and building 40 actually mean? yeah, but it is not that report about about arms and he's not that report about the results and report looking at what we can do in our experience when we work in
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conflict on we can find mechanisms through linking food and trying to increase where we can have these control which are because of all the political reasons in a complex situation. and you definitely expect 5 to 7000000 more children with stunted growth by the food insecurity situation exacerbated by corona virus, and people wasting up to 40000000 more. what do you mean? wasting 40000000 more you in 20202030. so there will be a significant increase of those 2 indicators which are on the nourishment indicators. and that's why we need to try to tackle and try to reverse. so chronic on the nurse, meaning one dimension way thing is when you have a role him or for age or weight for age. so, so we need to look at those or the indicators because then you want to look at all the forms of an orange minimum. and we're just finally, is it difficult being there at the f a o, what's a criticism to your face when you come up with reports like this?
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you are at the well, bank yourself so often blamed by many in the global. so for creating the food insecurity that you write of in this report. now, i think there are 2 different impacts of the world bank, the money lending institution for development. my job there was to work on the board and trying to, to facilitate the rates. lending so that we can reduce poverty and the young here is a different job, is trying to bring everything and availability of information so that we can support companies to change their policies to reduce that, to your hunger. so, but that requires a lot of my friends and information and that's what the report tries to bring. we are very open in the information we provide. we are technically on base and we make all our data. so we are one of the institutions where all the data that we publish at the country level is made public and people can the lowest and use it through ours. but so i think that's a push on role because we have to validate the data that we analyze and we call it and we normally have one program,
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what i want indicate. so i think we've come up with a set of information that has that also understand that burning their faith and hope that we can create a formation and change to achieve what we want in if you do at this point. mcnamara, thank you. a pleasure. massive for the show will be back on wednesday. i had a meeting in italy of g, 20 environment in energy ministers with the immediate future survival of humanity on the table until then keep in touch with social media and let us know what you think or who you think is to blame for food and security in cuba, the o driven times remain shaped by those in
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me i think we dare to ask own drugs started as a way to combat a great problem. what's the one? it's part of the attitude of the nation, not just of north dakota, and it got to be something that you could get elected. this time, the fight against drugs took a tragic, told us that andrew was competent. sean form. this is way too dangerous for him to be doing. clearly they put him in harm's way. a rural college student does interest get shot in the head and found in a river like something else had to be happening. i
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wanna make no, certainly no borders and the number is emerge. we don't have authority, we go to the back seen the whole world needs to take action and be ready. people are the judge crisis, we can do better. we, the better everyone is contributing each in their own way, but we also know that this crisis will not go on forever. the challenges to response has been massive. so many good people are helping us. it makes it feel very proud that we are together in russian president vladimir putin as long article on russia and ukraine to say it is
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a lot of response also. so long angela murphy, germany long serving chancellor. what will be her last? i the, the people you can see working around me, role volunteers, he's coming here to try and do whatever they can see in the lives swept away by the devastating floods in germany. turn on politicians think it's actually a, it's not just words of support. i've been trying to sort out drinking water for 2 days, but it's impossible. business own as an ordinary people, like you let down by the politicians. the news hungry south africans q for hours for emergency deliveries in the loop is left nothing to eat when they stretch shells clean. in recent riots, when we come out.

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